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by mga707
Sun Jun 21, 2020 4:41 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Is 10 Tanker Air Carrier going to add more DC-10s?
Replies: 23
Views: 4294

Re: Is 10 Tanker Air Carrier going to add more DC-10s?

Two of the '10s have been busy in my neck of the woods for the past two weeks, fighting the Bighorn Fire in the Santa Catalina range north of Tucson. Have also seen a BAe-146 and an MD-80 working the fire.

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by mga707
Fri Jun 19, 2020 10:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New IATA airport code for Nur Sultan aka Astana
Replies: 24
Views: 3919

Re: New IATA airport code for Nur Sultan aka Astana

Surprised I'm the first to mention that Mumbai is still BOM.

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by mga707
Thu Jun 18, 2020 11:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020
Replies: 395
Views: 65663

Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

Midwestindy wrote:
WN at nearly 90% capacity for DEN in July...wow

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Not to mention 7 of the top 10, 13 of the top 20, and nothing under 50%. Impressive. As an aside, that bar graph has such pretty colors! :D

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by mga707
Sun Jun 14, 2020 4:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: TWA Transatlantic Drawdown Time Line
Replies: 106
Views: 11025

Re: TWA Transatlantic Drawdown Time Line

Am looking to understand when and how TWA began to dismantle its TATL route network, after selling its LHR routes to American Airlines for $445 million in 1991. As I recall, the route cuts, specifically at JFK looked like this: July 1991 (1st) - TWA operates the last LHR-JFK flight (TW 701, a 747 t...

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by mga707
Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:35 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Standard Seat Pitch in the 70s
Replies: 16
Views: 2306

Re: Standard Seat Pitch in the 70s

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
AA747123 wrote:
Just wondering what the standard seat pitch was in the 70.


I believe it was 33-33 in Y.


'33-33'? I would say 32-33".

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by mga707
Sun May 31, 2020 4:03 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New York Air vs Eastern Air Lines 1981
Replies: 74
Views: 10567

Re: New York Air vs Eastern Air Lines 1981

There have been many "shuttles" between BOS-NY-DC since the 1950s. What we think of as the "Shuttle" is the hourly, no reservation service between Boston Logan- NY LaGuardia and National Airport. That was invented by EA. It was as close to the 42nd street Shuttle in NYC as you c...

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by mga707
Sat May 30, 2020 5:53 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020
Replies: 395
Views: 65663

Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2020

I'm wondering what the reasoning was behind WN cutting MDW-IND. Was it too short a stage to be effective, similar to DAL-OKC cuts from last fall? Midwestindy probably knows better but I don’t think the loads were great and I’m sure there probably was a majority connecting. With adding IND-STL they ...

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by mga707
Sat May 30, 2020 2:08 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly
Replies: 1133
Views: 250120

Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

miguel0881 wrote:
Gyrfalcon wrote:
miguel0881 wrote:


No love for the MD-95s then...


Yeah, not the same. Made in Dallas, not Long Beach.



Every MD-95/Boeing 717 was manufactured in Long Beach. Not understanding your comment.

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by mga707
Fri May 29, 2020 4:47 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New York Air vs Eastern Air Lines 1981
Replies: 74
Views: 10567

Re: New York Air vs Eastern Air Lines 1981

In the fall of 1981, New York Air added LGA-DTW. At the time, AA had almost hourly service on this route, with departures on the hour from DTW, and on the half hour from LGA. It was also among AA's most profitable routes. AA immediately matched New York Air's fares, and launched an aggressive adver...

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by mga707
Tue May 12, 2020 2:03 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: United DC-10's
Replies: 110
Views: 14920

Re: United DC-10's

Doubtful, assuming the 7/29/91 date given is correct. Saddam invaded Kuwait 4 days later, on August 2. The US/NATO military buildup started after that date. Saddam invaded Kuwait August 2 1990, that is almost a year prior to the picture. You're correct, my mistake on the year. Don't know why I was ...

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by mga707
Mon May 11, 2020 9:37 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: United DC-10's
Replies: 110
Views: 14920

Re: United DC-10's

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
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Can it be in anyway related to military flights related to the Gulf War?



Doubtful, assuming the 7/29/91 date given is correct. Saddam invaded Kuwait 4 days later, on August 2. The US/NATO military buildup started after that date.

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by mga707
Sun May 10, 2020 5:36 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: United DC-10's
Replies: 110
Views: 14920

Re: United DC-10's

I would be almost certain that the shortest scheduled segment operated by UA's DC-10s during their 30+ years in service was COS-DEN. SFO-OAK is just a wee bit shorter. Hence my use of the qualifier 'scheduled segment'. DEN-COS was/is a bookable flight on United, much as one could at times book a sh...

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by mga707
Sat May 09, 2020 5:40 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: United DC-10's
Replies: 110
Views: 14920

Re: United DC-10's

I would be almost certain that the shortest scheduled segment operated by UA's DC-10s during their 30+ years in service was COS-DEN.

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by mga707
Thu May 07, 2020 5:48 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: TTN Runway limitations
Replies: 17
Views: 1858

Re: TTN Runway limitations

Polot wrote:
Is TTN actually limited to flights -3 hr because of the runway, or do they lack longer flights because TTN doesn’t have the traffic to support them?


Eastwind Airlines attempted a TTN 'hub' of sorts in the '90s. They didn't last too long--four years, 8/95 until 9/99.

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by mga707
Fri May 01, 2020 10:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: IMAGES: Completion of JFK's "Terminal City" in 1962
Replies: 20
Views: 3677

Re: IMAGES: Completion of JFK's "Terminal City" in 1962

Great stuff! I remember flying to JFK in 1965 after the strike was over - I was 12. I flew BDL-JFK alone on TWA .. then went around to each of the terminals before flying back. I went counter-clockwise so the next building I got to was what I call "the hut" - National, Air Canada and Tran...

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by mga707
Thu Apr 30, 2020 1:53 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumor: DL looking to trade 717s for 737 Max
Replies: 365
Views: 63260

Re: Rumor: DL looking to trade 717s for 737 Max

Wow, I did not know that, and I even flew the airplane for a year or so after the LEAP program that Lockheed implemented post Braniff and NWA. Getting old so I miss things once and awhile. Do you have any experience in the Electra? Just as a passenger, mainly on AA in the '60s between ORD and DCA, ...

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by mga707
Wed Apr 29, 2020 7:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumor: DL looking to trade 717s for 737 Max
Replies: 365
Views: 63260

Re: Rumor: DL looking to trade 717s for 737 Max

The L188 was grounded while Lockheed developed a fix for the whirl mode phenomenon. The Electra ll followed. The 727 was never grounded, and I'm not aware of any consideration as such. Wrong. The Electra was NOT grounded. Speed restrictions were put on it, which restricted it's maximum speed to no ...

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by mga707
Sat Apr 25, 2020 9:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ravn Alaska closing its doors?
Replies: 160
Views: 23060

Re: Ravn Alaska closing its doors?

At this point, Alaska should plan for Wright and Ryan Air to fill the gap. Ravn should be persuaded to sell its owned tangible assets to the two. And Grant, and Bering Air, and Wings of Alaska. We have the most pilots per capita of anywhere in the nation. Its but like we won't have options when Rav...

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by mga707
Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Western Airlines Chieftain Liveries
Replies: 46
Views: 5530

Re: Western Airlines Chieftain Liveries

What was the business case for Seattle-Kodiak? Why did they fly the slower Electra non-stop to Kodiak rather than just connecting folks off the 720B on the multiple short Electra hops over to Kodiak? I assume there was a lot of summer hunting/fishing/tourism stuff out of Kodiak. Is it just that you...

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by mga707
Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Western Airlines Chieftain Liveries
Replies: 46
Views: 5530

Re: Western Airlines Chieftain Liveries

Thanks for the great post! What was the business case for Seattle-Kodiak? Why did they fly the slower Electra non-stop to Kodiak rather than just connecting folks off the 720B on the multiple short Electra hops over to Kodiak? I assume there was a lot of summer hunting/fishing/tourism stuff out of ...

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by mga707
Fri Apr 24, 2020 6:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Western Airlines Chieftain Liveries
Replies: 46
Views: 5530

Re: Western Airlines Chieftain Liveries

I went through my WA annual reports from the time of the PNA purchase to the DL merger. Here's what I found out about WA's service to Alaska: In 1967, the merged Western / PNA had applications pending to extend its routes from Anchorage to Fairbanks, and add Sitka as a stop between Ketchikan and Ju...

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by mga707
Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:32 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Nurse-Qualified Flight Attendants/Airport Terminal Nursing Stations: The Future?
Replies: 27
Views: 2422

Re: Nurse-Qualified Flight Attendants/Airport Terminal Nursing Stations: The Future?

If you 'youngsters' have never heard the name Ellen Church, look her up...

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by mga707
Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:29 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Western Airlines Chieftain Liveries
Replies: 46
Views: 5530

Re: Western Airlines Chieftain Liveries

Also,about the same time as Western retired the ex-PNA L-749s, they dropped some of the ex-Pacific Northern smaller stations: Cordova, Yakutat (not 'Takutat'), Kenai, Homer, and King Salmon. The ANC-CDV-YKT-JNU route was transferred (with the CAB's approval) to Alaska Airlines (who fly it to this d...

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by mga707
Fri Apr 24, 2020 1:19 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Western Airlines Chieftain Liveries
Replies: 46
Views: 5530

Re: Western Airlines Chieftain Liveries

WA converted 6 Electras to combies as direct replacements for the 6 Connies. Even put Alaska flags on the tail. They could move the partition to change the number of seats vs pallets. They also converted two or three to full freighters that they used around the system. 0111741 Also,about the same t...

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by mga707
Thu Apr 23, 2020 5:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Western Airlines Chieftain Liveries
Replies: 46
Views: 5530

Re: Western Airlines Chieftain Liveries

IIn the late 1960s, Western ordered several 747s, which were cancelled before delivery. Imagine how good the indian head scheme would have looked on a 747? Would have they received the Chieftain livery or already the swizzlestick? When was it introduced? Although it would have been nice to see a 74...

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by mga707
Thu Apr 23, 2020 5:37 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Western Airlines Chieftain Liveries
Replies: 46
Views: 5530

Re: Western Airlines Chieftain Liveries

Great info! Nope, flight 1 was not a nostalgia number. For the schedule I cited from earlier that year, flights 1 and 2 were Juneau-Takutat-Cordova-Anchorage and back. It is striking that Western left the lower flight numbers to the PNA operation. I would have thought they would have re-numbered wi...

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by mga707
Thu Apr 23, 2020 2:54 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Western Airlines Chieftain Liveries
Replies: 46
Views: 5530

Re: Western Airlines Chieftain Liveries

[ It was WAL flight 1, Juneau-Takutat-Cordova-Anchorage. I don’t know if they used flight #1 for nostalgia reasons, or if WA kept the old PNA flight numbers from the merger the year before. On board was Arthur Woodley, PNA’s founder and WAL Vice President – Alaska, at the time. The aircraft was N86...

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by mga707
Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:25 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Braniff Bankruptcy 1983
Replies: 43
Views: 5839

Re: Braniff Bankruptcy 1983

In watching the documentary, I kept wondering why they didn't declare Chapter 11 earlier, with the intent to reduce costs and reorganize. It seems by the time you get to doing things like witholding parts of paychecks, it seems kinda clear that you just need to file Chapter 11 and get on with it. F...

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by mga707
Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Braniff Bankruptcy 1983
Replies: 43
Views: 5839

Re: Braniff Bankruptcy 1983

They did file Chapter 11, but without the support of creditors or outside financial institutions, there was no initial pathway to reorganize. Two years after it was grounded, Hyatt Corporation "came to the rescue", offering a reorganization and a plan to operate the airline. They did oper...

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by mga707
Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: National airlines were just passing through one way.
Replies: 16
Views: 4043

Re: National airlines were just passing through one way.

AA had a similar flight for many years, 1960s/early '70s: Oakland CA had but one flight, SFO-OAK-PHX (continuing to DAL and points east). No westbound PHX-OAK. Finally around '72 or so they dropped the cross-bay 'hop' and started a PHX-OAK flight that 'turned' to OAK-PHX.

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by mga707
Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:40 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Braniff Bankruptcy 1983
Replies: 43
Views: 5839

Re: Braniff Bankruptcy 1983

When did Ch11 came in? I assume that didn't exist at that time, else Braniff would have gone for that? I looked up on google, but couldn't find a date when it was introduced, only what it is, and how it relates to other chapters, such as Ch7. They did file Chapter 11, but without the support of cre...

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by mga707
Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:27 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Braniff Bankruptcy 1983
Replies: 43
Views: 5839

Re: Braniff Bankruptcy 1983

TWA772LR wrote:
Would've been a lot better for Pan Am to merge with Braniff, IMO.


I have long thought that as well. National was just not a good 'fit' for Pan Am.

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by mga707
Sun Apr 19, 2020 11:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Braniff Bankruptcy 1983
Replies: 43
Views: 5839

Re: Braniff Bankruptcy 1983

I doubt they would still be around by now when you see what happened to CO, NW or US. Either they would indeed have been crushed by AA or acquired by another player, at least for the hub and probably the large fleet of 727s. DL comes to mind. That’s a very good point. Perhaps there would be a duopo...

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by mga707
Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:52 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Operations at SJU in the 1970's
Replies: 15
Views: 3297

Re: Delta Operations at SJU in the 1970's

seat1a wrote:
That DL flight SJU-MSY is quite the headscratcher.


See my reply two posts above yours as to it's origin. A C&S 'legacy' route.

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by mga707
Fri Apr 17, 2020 7:07 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Help! Who is this airline?
Replies: 20
Views: 4272

Re: Help! Who is this airline?

Without a doubt, that is a hybrid scheme from the stunningly beautiful final TWA scheme that first appeared in 1995. How do you know that? Look below, it's from 1993. 1564568 Not only does the FAT photo predate the final TWA scheme, but to my eye at lest, the two schemes have nothing in common. Not...

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by mga707
Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:22 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: California Pacific News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 423
Views: 83295

Re: California Pacific News and Discussion Thread

Presumably they are still paying their employees if they are still filing paperwork. Amazing. I doubt there are many employees, and some of them like Ted Vallas are probably not pulling a paycheck. What amazes me is that Mr. Vallas has not yet 'checked out'. He's got to be 98 or 99 years old by now...

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by mga707
Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:17 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020
Replies: 542
Views: 99341

Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Hopefully this won't get deleted, my last post from this site was...in part it states "The number of passengers at US airports has fallen to less than 100,000 a day – a drop of 96 per cent from last year and on a par with levels last seen in 1954." That is a staggering figure. Full story ...

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by mga707
Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:13 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New York Air vs Eastern Air Lines 1981
Replies: 74
Views: 10567

Re: New York Air vs Eastern Air Lines 1981

I remember watching that 'Enterprise' episode on PBS when it first aired in late '81.

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by mga707
Mon Apr 13, 2020 5:29 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Operations at SJU in the 1970's
Replies: 15
Views: 3297

Re: Delta Operations at SJU in the 1970's

As I noted in another thread, Delta's MSY-SJU route was a legacy of their 1953 acquisition of Chicago and Southern Air Lines, the first of the four airlines to date that Delta has absorbed over the last 70 years. C&S had started the route shortly before the merger as an extension of their existi...

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by mga707
Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:07 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: QUESTION: The origins of hub-and-spoke
Replies: 49
Views: 7583

Re: QUESTION: The origins of hub-and-spoke

Great history, thank you for this. Would you know if Braniff carried over it's stylish lounges at Love Field to the DFW complex? Thanks. Sorry, do not know the answer to your question. Minor correction to my above reply, and a bit of additional information: Should read 'Chicago and Southern Air Lin...

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by mga707
Sun Apr 12, 2020 4:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: QUESTION: The origins of hub-and-spoke
Replies: 49
Views: 7583

Re: QUESTION: The origins of hub-and-spoke

Didn't they have a route to Caracas or Maracaibo, too, or was that Braniff? Yes. Caracas for many years and Maracaibo for a few as well, along with San Juan and Jamaica (Kingston and/or Montego Bay). Delta's original Caribbean routes from MSY are a heritage inherited from their first merger partner...

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by mga707
Sun Apr 12, 2020 6:33 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: QUESTION: The origins of hub-and-spoke
Replies: 49
Views: 7583

Re: QUESTION: The origins of hub-and-spoke

Neither the UP nor the KLM maps show hub and spoke: they have a few branches off a central line. (If you want to call St Louis a rail hub, fine.) Those are little better than two milk runs by KL. This Delta route map of 1955 shows an overlay of multiple milk runs - it was the era of the CAB with ex...

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by mga707
Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: QUESTION: The origins of hub-and-spoke
Replies: 49
Views: 7583

Re: QUESTION: The origins of hub-and-spoke

In remarks 2 and 3 of this thread it states that AA implemented the DFW hub in 1981. That always confuses me as I started with AA in 1979 when ABQ was opened and we had three daily flights to DFW all timed to make multiple eastboound connections, DFW was already quite the hub by that time. I do rem...

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by mga707
Sat Apr 11, 2020 2:07 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: QUESTION: The origins of hub-and-spoke
Replies: 49
Views: 7583

Re: QUESTION: The origins of hub-and-spoke

Railroads and steamships established what would be called 'hub and spoke' today. In the 1850's, the White Star Line and Cunard lines (among others) started regular trans Atlantic service. Well at each end, relatively low percentages were origin and destination. Passengers had traveled from Chicago,...

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by mga707
Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Will this be the year Southwest Airlines finally doesn't make a profit?
Replies: 49
Views: 5323

Re: Will this be the year Southwest Airlines finally doesn't make a profit?

Southwest has lost money before...but the last time it lost money was 1972. As for 2020, all performance stats from this year for businesses that survive can be basically disregarded for what's essentially domestically an "act of God" (something for which no one in the USA can be held res...

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by mga707
Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Will this be the year Southwest Airlines finally doesn't make a profit?
Replies: 49
Views: 5323

Re: Will this be the year Southwest Airlines finally doesn't make a profit?

[photoid][/photoid] Southwest has been an industry leader in profit since its founding about 50 years ago. They have never had an unprofitable year. Will that finally change in 2020? Also wondering how they managed to stay profitable for so long in such a volatile industry. 'Never' is incorrect. The...

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by mga707
Wed Apr 08, 2020 5:40 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Surprising history of hijackings to Cuba: Facts, Figures, & Questions
Replies: 44
Views: 4818

Re: Surprising history of hijackings to Cuba: Facts, Figures, & Questions

A few come to mind but I don’t know if they’re what you’re after: ⋅ DC-7 ⋅ BAC 1-11 ⋅ BAC/Aérospatiale Concorde (but hardly shocking) ⋅ EMB-110 Bandeirante ⋅ Swearingen Metro Am I close? V/F They're all “too new”. The one I’m thinking of had over 80...

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by mga707
Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:12 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020
Replies: 542
Views: 99341

Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

History sometimes repeats itself. Most new carriers fail but this time might be different if the virus last longer. For example there were several airlines that came out of the 1979 Oil embargo - IIRC Reno, Western Pacific, Midway, People Express, ValuJet. Of those five, only Midway (1979) and Peop...

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by mga707
Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:49 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Fire at Fort Myers Airport (Apr. 3)
Replies: 54
Views: 7386

Re: Fire at Fort Myers Airport

All those poor base model Dodge Chargers and Chevy Impalas.... Looks like somebody learned the hard way about parking catalytic converters on dry grass. Most popular FCA rental model right now would probably be the Jeep Compass. For GM it would most likely be the Chevrolet Equinox. And way more Nis...

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by mga707
Mon Apr 06, 2020 1:58 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Surprising history of hijackings to Cuba: Facts, Figures, & Questions
Replies: 44
Views: 4818

Re: Surprising history of hijackings to Cuba: Facts, Figures, & Questions

So common at the end of the '60s that being hijacked to Cuba even became a comedic plot point in the 1970 hit movie comedy 'The Out-of-Towners", starring Jack Lemmon and Sandy Dennis. Never saw the horrible 1999 Steve Martin/Goldie Hawn remake, so I don't know if that plot point survived or not.

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