Of the top five US destinations from Iceland, zero are in the west coast. Number six is SFO, which has nonstop to KEF. Unsure about your statistics unless it involves an excercise in loosing money on $99 fares to fill a high density A333 out of SFO. Those days have passed. This summer however, SEA ...Jump to post
Fargo wrote:Next up for FI should be codesharing with WN and using WN’s enormous domestic feed for flights to Europe.
Imagine the possibilities......
DFW is within 757 range, IAH is not. Very important distinction given FI's current fleet as they only have 4 767s, all of which are accounted for on BOS/IAD/JFK/MSP/SEA/SFO/YYZ (depending on season). Houston is what.. 30 miles further than PDX? And 450miles further than SFO which does operate on an...Jump to post
American is planning the final retirement of its fleet of 24 LAA 757s, the ones configured for international travel, between 2023 and 2025 when the NeoLRs will start to arrive. So, unless they are up for retirement in the desert, because they have a high number of cycles, maybe Icelandair can have ...Jump to post
The A321NeoXLR could go as far as KEF-SEA, KEF-YVR or KEF-IST nonstop. 4700NM range. 4700nm gives you much more to play with than that, if that's indeed the number: http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?R=4700nm%40kef Here is a decent read - just note the 150 seat 3 class layout in the conclusions; https://le...Jump to post
- LAX is in their sights Perhaps it could allow for a small third bank to Europe in the afternoon following a turn in SFO, LAX during the high season like the 2004/5 SFO flight was operated (SAN would be a good add as well but probably not for an airline in a risk averse mode). - they were looking f...Jump to post
I wonder if the are wishing they had bailed out WW? I'm sure the losses at WW were worth it for the broader economic impact, although FI might have been damaged long term. I doubt it. Traffic is now at 2016 levels. Shoveling pax to the country below operating costs was an activity that needed to be...Jump to post
How many 7M9s/7M8s was FI supposed to have in summer 2019? Had there not be any MAX grounding, would they have retired any 75s & 76s? Best, 346fetish 9 Max frames, 6 737-8 and 3737-9, should have been in use at Icelandair this summer. There was no plan to retire 757 or 767 this summer. The one ...Jump to post
This is a slender thread to hang on ... but ... IcelandAir has not removed CLE from its route map and destination list. DFW, another discontinued city, HAS been dropped from the map/dest. list. I wonder if they are planning to try again after the Max grounding thing is over - say spring of '20. Las...Jump to post
Is there still any talk of the former management team starting another airline? If I recall, right after the collapse, they planned to start this summer ( which was doubtful IMO )! Any news on the subject? Everything went silent on those plans pretty soon and Skúli Mogensen has all but disappeared ...Jump to post
I also agree with this 100% where I blame Icelandair is for stringing them along for so long until they were past the point of no return when no one could help them. I contend the Icelandair had no intention of ever helping them out but rather getting in the way of other possible solutions. Iceland...Jump to post
Clearly you don't understand how the market works. Icelandair was making a loss because of WOW Air, that's for sure. You say they should accept lower load factors while keeping their fares up, but I can guarantee you if they did that their losses would be even bigger than they already were. Empty s...Jump to post
But hey as long as the countries beloved Icelandair survived who cares about all the losers in the WOW Air collapse. It was a carefully orchestrated plan to eliminate the competition and proof of that was the rise in air fares the day after WOW Air went out of business. Was it a conspiracy? Who els...Jump to post
I am sorry but allowing WOW Air to collapse was not in anyone's best interest except Icelandair. Sorry that's a fact toursism and jobs in Iceland suffer when you take away almost 50% of the capacity why is that so hard to understand. WOW Air provided a product that was beneficial to many and I stan...Jump to post
Hey everyone, I just had an interesting discussion with someone who went to the US in the early 90s (91-93) due to work. He told me he requently took the route LUX-KEF and then either Washington DC or Boston with Iceland Air. Does anyone here know which aircrafts they used back then? 767s? Besides,...Jump to post
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/283691/icelandair-san-francisco-aircraft-changes-in-may-2019/ http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=kef-sfo That's 4,204 mi/6765 km/3653 nm Is this the longest scheduled 757 flight? According to wiki, the longest was RDU-CDG on Delta at 3522 nm. They have fl...Jump to post
Looks like they’ll be using the 767 at least at BOS, ORD, and MSP this summer. Maybe more cities. JFK, IAD and SFO as well, along with various European cities Can we expect Icelandair to pick up the slack at DTW and BWI before summers end just like Transavia did from AMS. Detroit seems something th...Jump to post
Icelander here too. Just booked flights to NY this morning at prices way higher than few days ago when I checked. Should have booked then, but oh well. An instant reduction of WW's 200 available seats per day can quickly ramp up the demand of FI's remaining 350-450 daily seats. Including from those...Jump to post
SCQ83 wrote:Also interesting that DEL (WOW), DUS (Icelandair) and FCO (Norwegian) started in W18 and are already being chopped.
Blueknows wrote:Trying to find out who bought these slots. Anyone know where I might find how much they sold for?
Just for info, WOW is not that large in terms of revenue. Revenue wise, Air Atlanta Icelandic (AAI) is BY FAR the biggest earner and the airline making the most profit in Iceland, followed at a large distance by Icelandair. You should check your sources again. Icelandair Group had more than six tim...Jump to post
I was talking about what the debt would do to Iceland if they went bust, not the size of the fleet. Should have said (weird as it sounds) too bankrupt to fail in a country with a small GDP. But you are correct though... might cause things to balance out. The debt is certainly a factor as it can pul...Jump to post
FI fly GLA-KEF where they have no competition to KEF and the transatlantic flights out of GLA are seasonal summer only. In recent memory there have not been many winter suspensions for FI (2011-13 perhaps, for a while it was a triangle with MAN) on the GLA route. My memory tells me these were excep...Jump to post
Wow, none of those loads are particularly great. No they aren't even with the summer included and low fares. Wonder how BOS would be without the B6 feed. What are good loads then? I looked at some others for the same period; Icelandair US destinations 79% as per above Icelandair ALL destinations 81...Jump to post
Icelandair is the rare carrier that might not be taking too much of a hit with the Max 8 groundings. Their schedule really slows down over the late fall / winter / early spring and I suspect they have the 757 capacity and additional staff to make up for any Max 8 issues, especially as they only hav...Jump to post
YYZ on 757 (perhaps there isn't one today?). Could probably be a 737MAX if they had one. YYZ already gets the ICE MAX 8. This summer YYZ will be 2x daily ICE (1x daily 752, 1x daily 738 MAX). It has seen a MAX handful of times yes. Last few weeks its been on a 757. If they had a 4th MAX frame with ...Jump to post
That business model has no future in FI's plans, which is why they need the new (from summer this year) dual bank hub model to work. There seems no reason to assume it won't, provided growth continues and the big transatlantic JVs don't get jittery enough to retaliate about capacity being added. Ag...Jump to post
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I was envisioning the 737MAX doing the bulk of Europe and eastern North America flying. It makes sense to utilize the newest aircraft at the highest levels possible. The 737 also covers the majority of Icelandair's routes. Use the 757s for longer missions to North America - saving hours and cycles ...Jump to post
An interesting article about aircraft sales to the Eastern Block in the 1980s
https://www.joc.com/airbus-wins-order-u ... 00124.html
Icelandair has been a strictly Boeing airline for a long time, nothing but Boeing was part of the discussion. Boeing did not exploit this situation, but seem to have offered always very good conditions to Icelandair regarding new frames or upgrades to older frames during the years. When the MAX was...Jump to post
From 2 years ago, so some things may have changed https://i.ibb.co/zfmvB3r/Screenshot-20190204-211649.png MAX Delivery plan https://i.ibb.co/7K0gbGR/Screenshot-20190204-205508.png https://i.ibb.co/bJd1VM7/Screenshot-20190204-205238.png"%20alt="Screenshot-20190204-205238 From December 2018 ...Jump to post
Not exciting Jul/Aug LF by any means. The incentives and yields must be good enough as the LF at DFW was better for them according to dfwtower.com. FI has now dropped 2 out of the 5 knee-jerk US route announcements for S18. Hopefully they have now made their final choice on which ones they can affo...Jump to post
I'd only say be careful what you wish for. I think every market that WW added frequency to last year ended up being dropped in round 1 of the culling. Sometimes it's better to boost the results before putting in more seats. Well, FI is a different animal than WOW. But your point is a valid one. How...Jump to post
Interesting on the FI front. Isn’t BWI one of, if not thier longest served remaining US cities? I know they serve Dulles now and WOW has since moved into BWI, just odd to see one of thier legacy US routes disappear. Once FI started IAD the BWI service was on borrowed time although BWI-KEF hung toug...Jump to post
Hope they weren’t kidding about BUR. With the new terminal on the way perhaps more airlines will join the party. New BUR terminal will be exactly the same capacity as the current Jackson Pollock work of art. Big difference is that it will feature a leagal clearance from the runways and... basic MEP...Jump to post
Winglets for 7375 44356 TF-ICN 737-8 IcelandAir https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4845/31405871307_fc6fdf39d0_c.jpg 7375 44356 TF-ICN 737-8 IcelandAir by 737 MAX Production , on Flickr Good to see the next FI MAX is on the way! Somehow I thought the next 3 deliveries were 7M9s, guess I was wrong. It's...Jump to post
debonair wrote:DTW is now gone as well, after Los Angeles, San Francisco, New York JFK already axed.
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/travel/fl ... 397088002/
Years ago WN had codeshares with Icelandair Indeed... on BWI-CLE... Read all about it https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1996-12-18-9612180090-story.html Baltimore Business Journal from back in 1996. Cleveland was the test market. Southwest links with Icelandair 12/17/1996 Southwest Airline...Jump to post
Perhaps it isn't worth overthinking these 4-6 flights that are being planned....
http://local.fo/the-plan-is-to-make-4-6 ... rways-ceo/
I think this is against the strategy of their future owners, Indigo Partners, as well. I think if Indigo Partners are going to buy WOW Air (and it looks like they will), they'll turn it into some kind of "Wizzair Iceland" product. Knowing the airports Wizzair serves in Europe (the smaller...Jump to post
Who else do you think would try? Negotiations are underway, the information is kept confidential between the airport administrative staff and the airline marketing officials. Hard not to be a little skeptical and pessimistic at this point. If a semi-successful low cost long haul carrier like Norweg...Jump to post
I think the comments suggesting some sort of TATL ULCC alliance with w6, ww, and f9 are kind of silly. The ULCC model is all about maximizing utilization and ancillary revenues. I don't see why F9 would bother attempting to sell $149 tickets to Europe in conjunction with WW when they could use that...Jump to post
What has the small economy to do with WOW folding or not? Nobody in Iceland will help WOW surviving with offering subsidies. If WOW folds tomorrow it will not be a big problem There are both direct economical effects and indirect ripple effects of a company failing and going out of business. This g...Jump to post
Unfortunately, WOW has been given an out largely because of the fact the Icelandic economy is so small and would be so heavily affected by the airline's collapse. They have been given every possible advantage and opportunity to turn things around. Better to just let the company fail. If wasn't for ...Jump to post
SRQKEF wrote:WOW really had potential if it had grown at a reasonable pace, their on-board service is reasonable and the staff very friendly both on the ground and in the air. Their problem is the people at the top.
Nah, word is the repo man came around. Clearly. ISAVIA is also probably already searching for the keys to the snow ploughs. They don't want to miss their chance to ground a couple of aircraft at KEF as collateral for the billions of ISK owed in landing fees before they all get "returned" ...Jump to post
I can’t see 4 A339 being needed for 3-5 DEL flights per week, so something else is needed. And how are they going to manage 3x DEL on the current fleet? Which current destinations will lose frequencies or flights altogether? I think the DEL route needed only the first two of those four. The latter ...Jump to post