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by CRJ200flyer
Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier
Replies: 2164
Views: 380905

Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

In DTW at the B and C concourses and in MSP at the A and B concourses, DGS continues to be understaffed. I’ve had to wait almost every flight for ground crew, and so far 4 flights I’ve operated have been late due to a lack of available ground crew (my record is waiting almost 30 minutes!).

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by CRJ200flyer
Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:40 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier
Replies: 2164
Views: 380905

Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

According to the pilot forums and some friends at Delta, 2558 pilot furlough notice to be sent out next week. A sad announcement to hear.

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by CRJ200flyer
Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier
Replies: 2164
Views: 380905

Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Thank you CRJ200flyer and PSU.DTW.SCE for the clarification on the DTW C-Gates. I was in fact interpreting the earlier comment to mean the wall at C26/27 came down, which obviously led me to incorrectly believe that there was going to be a lot more CRJ flying. Please disregard my earlier assertion ...

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by CRJ200flyer
Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:53 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier
Replies: 2164
Views: 380905

Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

I’m a pilot for Endeavor based in Detroit. My observation, as others have noted, is that with part of the A concourse closed as well as one of end of its ramp under construction, they’ve been parking more A320/737/A220s in the A alleyways with some of those CRJs displaced out to the B concourse. Fo...

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by CRJ200flyer
Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier
Replies: 2164
Views: 380905

Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

I’m a pilot for Endeavor based in Detroit. My observation, as others have noted, is that with part of the A concourse closed as well as one of end of its ramp under construction, they’ve been parking more A320/737/A220s in the A alleyways with some of those CRJs displaced out to the B concourse. For...

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by CRJ200flyer
Tue Jun 16, 2020 6:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier
Replies: 2164
Views: 380905

Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

The temporary wall created to close the C-concourse off in DTW has been taken down! (source: me walking where the wall used to be)

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by CRJ200flyer
Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Network Thread - 2020
Replies: 359
Views: 60134

Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

Here’s what I saw for JFK in July: JFK-AMS A333 (Daily) JFK-CDG A333 (Daily) JFK-TLV A333 (Su, W, F, Sa) Feel free to add to this list, I’m going cross eyed at this point. JFK also has JFK-ATH 763ER (Mo Th Fr Sa) - from 16 July on JFK-LIS 763ER (Mo Th Fr Sa) - from 16 July on JFK-ACC 763ER (Mo Th F...

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by CRJ200flyer
Sun Jun 14, 2020 1:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Network Thread - 2020
Replies: 359
Views: 60134

Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

FlyingHonu001 wrote:
CRJ200flyer wrote:
rjbesikof wrote:
[photoid][/photoid]

What about the other hubs?


Here’s what I saw for

JFK in July:
JFK-AMS A333 (Daily)
JFK-CDG A333 (Daily)
JFK-TLV A333 (Su, W, F, Sa)

SEA in July:
SEA-ICN A339 (M, W, F, Sa)
SEA-.....


Source??


Looking up the flight listings individually over the dates of July 5 to July 11.

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by CRJ200flyer
Sun Jun 14, 2020 2:16 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Network Thread - 2020
Replies: 359
Views: 60134

Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

For July: DTW-CDG A359 (Su, M, W, F) DTW-AMS A359........ What about the other hubs? Here’s what I saw for JFK in July: JFK-AMS A333 (Daily) JFK-CDG A333 (Daily) JFK-TLV A333 (Su, W, F, Sa) SEA in July: SEA-ICN A339 (M, W, F, Sa) SEA-HND A339 (Su, Tu, Th, F) ATL in July: ATL-AMS A333 (Su x2, M, Tu ...

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by CRJ200flyer
Sun Jun 14, 2020 1:41 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Network Thread - 2020
Replies: 359
Views: 60134

Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

The 76W goes ORD-DTW-LHR LHR-DTW-ORD (RON). Basically for cargo from ORD, but carrying passengers on all segments. DTW-AMS has been a 76W so that A359 is an upgauging. It is definitely a welcome upgrade, but a slight correction. DTW-AMS switched from the 76W to the A330-300 at the beginning of June.

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by CRJ200flyer
Sat Jun 13, 2020 6:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Network Thread - 2020
Replies: 359
Views: 60134

Re: Delta Network Thread - 2020

For July:
DTW-CDG A359 (Su, M, W, F)
DTW-AMS A359 (Daily)
DTW-LHR 76W (Tu, Th, Sa)
DTW-HND A359 (M, W, Sa)
DTW-ICN A359 (Daily)

DTW-ORD 76W (DL17 - Su, M, W, F)

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by CRJ200flyer
Thu May 28, 2020 10:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier
Replies: 2164
Views: 380905

Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

I’m interested in what the fleet plan is going to look like over the next couple years as well, not just for mainline, but regional too. Delta’s been trying to dump the CRJ-200 for years and this might finally be the chance to do it. They’re old, uncomfortable, and had the reputation of being maint...

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by CRJ200flyer
Mon May 25, 2020 6:19 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL Will Have 7,000 Extra Pilots in Fall
Replies: 176
Views: 23839

Re: DL Will Have 7,000 Extra Pilots in Fall

How about Endeavor? I fly for Endeavor. I’ll share what’s publicly available on the pilot forums. Last I’ve read we had roughly 2/3 of our fleet parked. Our NYC CRJ-200 base has had no flights for months with most of those pilots sitting on reserve or a few of them taking temporary duty at other ba...

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by CRJ200flyer
Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:03 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Airport Photos in the wake of coronavirus impacts
Replies: 184
Views: 9918

Re: Airport Photos in the wake of coronavirus impacts

Following up to my previous post, here’s a brief video I made of the scene yesterday and today at Willow Run. Now 10 Spirit aircraft stored there: https://youtu.be/1-kL4pseXNs And a recent photo: https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49749855661_a2af03038b_b.jpg https://flic.kr/p/2iNe1Q6

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by CRJ200flyer
Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Spirit Airlines Network Thread - 2020
Replies: 300
Views: 12803

Re: Spirit Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Made a brief video of the aircraft stored at Willow Run Airport (KYIP) including a clip of a repo from FLL.

https://youtu.be/1-kL4pseXNs

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by CRJ200flyer
Tue Apr 07, 2020 10:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020
Replies: 542
Views: 99628

Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Spirit Airlines has started parking some of its aircraft at Willow Run Airport (KYIP) just west of DTW. Here are two photos I took on my phone while passing by today - 4 aircraft so far, more filed in FlightAware: https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49747925852_93a2714306_b.jpg https://flic.kr/p/2iN...

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by CRJ200flyer
Tue Apr 07, 2020 10:25 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Airport Photos in the wake of coronavirus impacts
Replies: 184
Views: 9918

Re: Airport Photos in the wake of coronavirus impacts

Spirit Airlines has started parking some of its aircraft at Willow Run Airport (KYIP) just west of DTW. Here are two photos I took on my phone while passing by today - 4 aircraft so far, more filed in FlightAware: https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49747925852_93a2714306_b.jpg https://flic.kr/p/2iN...

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by CRJ200flyer
Sun Apr 05, 2020 8:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Consolidation of Airport Operations
Replies: 46
Views: 9103

Re: Consolidation of Airport Operations

DTW has sealed off all the C gates in the McNamara/Delta concourse. I took this photo on the last day of operations from those gates (April 1, 2020). Those gates are now storing CRJs taken out of service. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49725991711_0ace3a6a87_c_d.jpg https://flic.kr/p/2iL7GUF

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by CRJ200flyer
Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:38 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020
Replies: 542
Views: 99628

Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

While at work today took this photo of the new temporary wall being built to close the C concourse gates in DTW. The gate agent working my flight said today was the end of operations from those gates for the time being. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49725991711_0ace3a6a87_c_d.jpg Direct link: ...

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by CRJ200flyer
Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020
Replies: 542
Views: 99628

Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Interesting to see DELTA 8958 from KWI to AMS. Is it a cargo-only plane as it came from ATL on 28/03 and flew to Dubai (DWC) on 29/03 and onwards to Kuwait (KWI) on 31/03. It's planned to fly Amsterdam > Minneapolis > El Paso > Detroit Military charter. This is being discussed in the Delta Widebody...

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by CRJ200flyer
Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II
Replies: 1993
Views: 337656

Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/26/us/flight-attendant-coronavirus-death/index.html American Airlines flight attendant dies from coronavirus. As a pilot, I feel for the stress of the flight attendants being so close to the passengers every day. One of my pilot friends is afraid to go to work as he live...

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by CRJ200flyer
Tue Mar 24, 2020 7:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta LAX hangar foam discharged accident
Replies: 38
Views: 19549

Re: Delta LAX hangar foam discharged accident

Any more info on this? Were any more aircraft in the hangar?

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by CRJ200flyer
Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:54 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II
Replies: 1993
Views: 337656

Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Does that mean no air service to Cincinnati, Columbus, or Indianapolis or other airports covered by ZID? Even when center is down, routes can still be created by having aircraft transition from approach control to approach control at a lower altitude. I’m not sure in this particular case what’s bei...

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by CRJ200flyer
Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:45 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II
Replies: 1993
Views: 337656

Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Does anyone know why there is an empty circle over Ohio, Kentucky, and West Virginia? It has been like this for hours, and I'm just wondering if it has to do with the coronavirus somehow. https://i.ibb.co/fxRtdQ6/Screen-Shot-2020-03-21-at-7-07-07-PM.png Indianapolis Center has been either on ATC al...

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by CRJ200flyer
Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Did the Northwest DC-10 ever make it to its Asian network?
Replies: 90
Views: 11752

Re: Did the Northwest DC-10 ever make it to its Asian network?

WA707atMSP and TW870 - really appreciate both of your detailed replies. Never realized ORD was once that large of a station for NW or thought of the cargo aspect of the operation. Thanks again

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by CRJ200flyer
Sat Mar 07, 2020 2:36 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Did the Northwest DC-10 ever make it to its Asian network?
Replies: 90
Views: 11752

Re: Did the Northwest DC-10 ever make it to its Asian network?

As others have noted, NW flew the DC-10 extensively in Asia after the GE-powered DC-10-30s started arriving from Swissair and other carriers in 1992. The bigger question is if Northwest ever scheduled the Pratt powered DC-10-40s to Asia. If they did, it would have been in a very short window in the...

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by CRJ200flyer
Sat Feb 22, 2020 7:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Interjet Discussion and News thread
Replies: 335
Views: 69244

Re: Interjet Now Cannibalizing Its Airbus Fleet according to Bloomberg

Please quote a small part of link, I have used up my Bloomberg access for this month. I think this is the same article via google: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-02-18/mexico-s-interjet-grounds-four-planes-stoking-lessor-anxiety Interjet, the Mexican airline t...

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by CRJ200flyer
Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020
Replies: 438
Views: 90173

Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Anyone know where the few China wide bodies are sitting? I’m based in DTW, and I’ve seen an A350 camping out in the old Smith Terminal ramp, though not sure if it’s related to the current situation. The 359s are in DTW. The 76Ts and 339s are in SEA. The 772s in LAX/MSP. So far none of them have bee...

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by CRJ200flyer
Mon Feb 10, 2020 3:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020
Replies: 438
Views: 90173

Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Anyone know where the few China wide bodies are sitting? I’m based in DTW, and I’ve seen an A350 camping out in the old Smith Terminal ramp, though not sure if it’s related to the current situation.

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by CRJ200flyer
Fri Jan 31, 2020 5:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1387
Views: 211684

Re: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

American suspends all mainland China until March 27 http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/2020/American-Airlines-Update-on-China-Flights-OPS-DIS/default.aspx An important note in the press release is the US State Department’s recent upgrade of the travel advisory to “Do not travel” for US citizens t...

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by CRJ200flyer
Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Delta First Class Seats - A321neo
Replies: 120
Views: 20863

New Delta First Class Seats - A321neo

New seat renderings for Delta’s upcoming A321neo arrivals. https://paxex.aero/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Delta_First-Class-Seat.jpg https://paxex.aero/2020/01/delta-air-lines-new-first-class-seat-a321neo-fleet/ Looks like more privacy as well as support for resting your head for a nap. Only small cr...

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by CRJ200flyer
Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:03 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta 1114 off taxiway at MCI
Replies: 9
Views: 3128

Re: Delta 1114 off taxiway at MCI

At what point to the airport stop landings? Several things can trigger it - ATC halting arrivals due to rapidly deteriorating weather, airport operations determining the runway condition is too poor, and/or pilot reports that conditions are now poor. A pilot reporting a braking action of nil, or in...

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by CRJ200flyer
Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta 1114 off taxiway at MCI
Replies: 9
Views: 3128

Re: Delta 1114 off taxiway at MCI

I was supposed to operate a Delta Connection flight this morning to MCI, but shortly before we closed the door, the field condition at MCI rapidly worsened to freezing rain (the A319 had slid off minutes before that new weather report came out of course, we later deduced!). The airport then posted a...

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by CRJ200flyer
Sun Jan 12, 2020 1:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Flooding at DXB causes EK meltdown
Replies: 40
Views: 12172

Re: Flooding at DXB causes EK meltdown

How can anybody seeing the snow chaos at North American airports when on snow storm hits the east coast or when snow hits LHR, start talking about DXB being not prepared for rain. That rain storm is as extrem a weather as a snow storm at JFK, just that it happens less often. Does anybody expect MIA...

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by CRJ200flyer
Tue Jan 07, 2020 1:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 2020 CES Charters / Equipment Upgauge Thread
Replies: 28
Views: 5004

Re: CES Las Vegas

From my post in the Delta widebody thread with a few updates... January 4: NRT-LAS DL288 A330-300 January 5: NRT-LAS DL288 A330-300 ICN-LAS DL76 A350-900 LAS-ATL DL8783 777-200 January 6: NRT-LAS DL288 A330-300 ICN-LAS DL76 A350-900 LAS-MSP DL865 A350-900 January 8: ATL-LAS DL1905 777-200 January 9:...

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by CRJ200flyer
Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:34 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020
Replies: 438
Views: 90173

Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Any fleet movements ahead of the Consumer Electronics Show in Vegas next week? Thanks to this thread last year I was able to ride on an A350 domestically, so your reports are always great appreciated! Answering my own question some, I see the following additional widebody routes to and from Las Veg...

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by CRJ200flyer
Wed Jan 01, 2020 1:23 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020
Replies: 438
Views: 90173

Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Any fleet movements ahead of the Consumer Electronics Show in Vegas next week? Thanks to this thread last year I was able to ride on an A350 domestically, so your reports are always great appreciated!

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by CRJ200flyer
Sat Dec 28, 2019 4:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Missing Helicopter off Kauai's Coast
Replies: 11
Views: 2685

Re: Missing Helicopter off Kauai's Coast

Rossiya747 wrote:
Oh shoot second accident of the day.


For those who know the superstition, here’s the third crash of the day yesterday:

https://abc11.com/1-hospitalized-after-plane-crashes-in-pender-co/5793010/

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by CRJ200flyer
Sun Dec 08, 2019 6:12 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Size of FedEx Hubs
Replies: 2
Views: 2569

Size of FedEx Hubs

Hello all, I was discussing the construction/expansion ongoing at IND for FedEx with a friend, and was curious about the scale of FedEx’s hubs. Anyone have any insight or resources to find this data? Looking at average number of flights per day (since I know operations can vary significantly day to ...

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by CRJ200flyer
Fri Dec 06, 2019 5:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019
Replies: 776
Views: 175282

Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

MIflyer12 wrote:
CRJ200flyer wrote:
Been trying to dig through this thread - do all A320s have PTVs now? Thanks for your help.


There's an easy rule for Delta mainline: everything with engines on the wings has AVOD at every seat.


Haha I like that, thank you!

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by CRJ200flyer
Fri Dec 06, 2019 5:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019
Replies: 776
Views: 175282

Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

audidudi wrote:
CRJ200flyer wrote:
Been trying to dig through this thread - do all A320s have PTVs now? Thanks for your help.

Yes. The last ones were completed about one year ago.


Thank you! I flew on one without it just over a year ago, must’ve been one of the last ones.

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by CRJ200flyer
Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019
Replies: 776
Views: 175282

Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Been trying to dig through this thread - do all A320s have PTVs now? Thanks for your help.

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by CRJ200flyer
Sat Nov 30, 2019 11:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 2019 NFL Charters Thread
Replies: 144
Views: 25890

Re: 2019 NFL Charters Thread

Caught a United 764 bringing the New York Jets into CVG today.

https://youtu.be/AP1QahiM9MU

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by CRJ200flyer
Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2019
Replies: 1136
Views: 178850

Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2019

I’m baffled how Swift would recruit pilots either. I’ve heard Southern Air is having trouble recruiting pilots - Well when its year 12 (maximum) 737 first officer pay is less than year three at Frontier, year four at Allegiant, and year nine at Sun Country, who would go or stay there? And now Swift ...

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by CRJ200flyer
Sat Nov 23, 2019 7:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit (DTW) sets record for the months of August and September.
Replies: 14
Views: 2562

Re: Detroit (DTW) sets record for the months of August and September.

Transpac787 wrote:
NOTAM’d closed to landing traffic [not departure traffic].


Ah, thanks for catching that detail. I’m still home sick, good thing - I can’t even read a complete NOTAM apparently :melting: :yuck: Good to see the runway is partially opened again.

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by CRJ200flyer
Sat Nov 23, 2019 5:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit (DTW) sets record for the months of August and September.
Replies: 14
Views: 2562

Re: Detroit (DTW) sets record for the months of August and September.

3L/21R just reopened this past week. DTW RWY 03L/21R CLSD TO LDG 1911221947-1912242359 Then why is it still NOTAM’d closed to Christmas Eve? I’m genuinely curious, not trying to be sassy. I operated a flight to DTW on Monday and it was still closed when I landed as I recall. Did it open temporarily...

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by CRJ200flyer
Sat Nov 23, 2019 5:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit (DTW) sets record for the months of August and September.
Replies: 14
Views: 2562

Re: Detroit (DTW) sets record for the months of August and September.

So this is the best August O&D ever - what year was the previous record set? How were the total pax numbers for August 2019?

Anyone know if 3L/21R is still scheduled to reopen in November?

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by CRJ200flyer
Sat Nov 23, 2019 3:14 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Updating Their Livery
Replies: 124
Views: 27005

Re: American Airlines Updating Their Livery

So... what happened exactly?

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by CRJ200flyer
Fri Nov 22, 2019 5:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019
Replies: 3546
Views: 709052

Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJx9REyUYAAaWzG?format=jpg&name=large https://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/1196969339275997185?s=20 Yuck. Looks the worst yet on the 77W. Just looks so hodgepodge, and there's too much white with the proportions of the 77W. Agreed, talking with a group of friends, it...

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by CRJ200flyer
Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Winglets - Why aren't others following United?
Replies: 66
Views: 11074

Re: Winglets - Why aren't others following United?

Random observation - a friend of mine has been a captain with Delta for a long time. He flew one of the first 767s at Delta with the new winglets before the flight planning computers had been updated with the new fuel burns. On a 12 hour flight he said he landed with 7,000 pounds more fuel than plan...

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