Search found 1333 matches

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • 27
by PSAatSAN4Ever
Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 40 Years Ago - Air Florida Flt 90
Replies: 13
Views: 3272

Re: 40 Years Ago - Air Florida Flt 90

I was in high school at the time, and I didn't hear about it until later in the day. Like everyone else, I was utterly horrified. "Snow and ice on the wings" was all I remember for many years. It wasn't until decades later that I read the entire report, and realized that, just like at Tene...

Jump to post
by PSAatSAN4Ever
Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:23 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Least known airlines you've flown on
Replies: 69
Views: 2266

Re: Least known airlines you've flown on

air Berlin, Salzburg to Berlin Tegel,
Edelweiss Air Zurich to San Diego,
and Harbour Air Vancouver harbor to Victoria harbor by seaplane.

Jump to post
by PSAatSAN4Ever
Sat Jan 08, 2022 3:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ryanair to leave FRA
Replies: 82
Views: 9964

Re: Ryanair to leave FRA

3) Was Ryanair's desire to serve FRA based on prestige (getting the big bad evil Lufthansa to give up some of its turf), or was it based on actual O&D to serve the Frankfurt area? 4) What was the Hahn area's purpose? Did Ryanair actually use this for transfers? Or was it just for O&D? Many ...

Jump to post
by PSAatSAN4Ever
Fri Jan 07, 2022 5:26 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: One a time landed or Took off airport you've flown to
Replies: 52
Views: 1924

Re: One a time landed or Took off airport you've flown to

ONLY LANDED: Victoria Harbor, BC, (YWH) Harbour Air (returned to Vancouver via ferry) Hartford/Springfield (BDL), Southwest (returned home from BOS) Stuttgart, Germany (STR), Lufthansa (departed the city by train) Berlin Tegel, Germany (TXL), airBerlin (departed by city by train) ONLY DEPARTED: Vanc...

Jump to post
by PSAatSAN4Ever
Fri Jan 07, 2022 5:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2022
Replies: 35
Views: 4336

Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2022

It appears that VS has chosen AUS as its new U.S. destination. Of course this isn’t an official announcement but this Twitter source is reliable: https://twitter.com/spd_travels/status/1479112183841636361?s=21 An interesting choice. Given that BA already flies this route, one has to wonder what thi...

Jump to post
by PSAatSAN4Ever
Fri Jan 07, 2022 4:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ryanair to leave FRA
Replies: 82
Views: 9964

Re: Ryanair to leave FRA

My apologies for this long and rambling post, but my questions about this situation are deeply rooted in the history of Germany and its differences from many other countries in the world. One of the issues for Germany as a whole is that there is not one major city in the country that serves as the c...

Jump to post
by PSAatSAN4Ever
Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:25 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: wich airlines did BAC/aerospatiale thought would order concorde to get to the 250 orders by 1980 goal?
Replies: 8
Views: 962

Re: wich airlines did BAC/aerospatiale thought would order concorde to get to the 250 orders by 1980 goal?

In the late 1960's and early 1970's, the belief was that supersonic travel would be EVERYWHERE very soon, and subsonic aircraft would quickly be relegated to cargo flying. The 747 was designed with the upper deck specifically to facilitate its transition to a cargo hauler, by allowing the modificati...

Jump to post
by PSAatSAN4Ever
Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2022
Replies: 35
Views: 4336

Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2022

I think it's quite possible for AF to fly to SAN. If they do, I would guess they would use A350 aircraft. I wonder if the international flights we get, or could receive, at SAN are partially or mostly generated by the cruise ship terminal down the street? Are there package deal people from the UK o...

Jump to post
by PSAatSAN4Ever
Fri Dec 31, 2021 7:57 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: What Airline Do You Associate With A Particular Type?
Replies: 34
Views: 1817

Re: What Airline Do You Associate With A Particular Type?

Pan Am - 747 TWA - 747 or Constellation AA - MD80 or 767 UA - 747 (Saul Bass) WN - 737 (duh). Especially the -300 and -700 AC - 767 BA - 747 and Concorde LH - 747 EK - A380 QR - 777 DL - 767 or L1011 ATA - L1011 HA - DC10 AS - 737 (especially -400) SR/LX - MD11 JL - 747 and 787 NH - 747 and 777 OZ ...

Jump to post
by PSAatSAN4Ever
Fri Dec 31, 2021 3:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2022
Replies: 35
Views: 4336

Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2022

Hi qf789! I think I beat you to this by just a few seconds...I saw the list being formed. Thank you to you and the moderators for keeping up with all this!

Jump to post
by PSAatSAN4Ever
Fri Dec 31, 2021 3:36 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: What Airline Do You Associate With A Particular Type?
Replies: 34
Views: 1817

What Airline Do You Associate With A Particular Type?

Greetings to all! Just a simple poll, really...when a particular type of plane is mentioned, what is the FIRST airline that pops into your head? Feel free to list any reasons why, if you'd like. As an example, here are some of mine: 747: Pan Am DC-10: American L-1011: Eastern 737: Southwest 757: Con...

Jump to post
by PSAatSAN4Ever
Fri Dec 31, 2021 3:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2022
Replies: 35
Views: 4336

San Diego Aviation Thread - 2022

Happy New Year 2022 to everyone!! Here's to (hopefully) another great year of flying at America's Finest City airport...SO many things to be hopeful about!! 1) A new Terminal 1 is on the way! 2) British Airways is back, and Lufthansa will be back very soon, this time to MUC. 3) TIJ's new facilities ...

Jump to post
by PSAatSAN4Ever
Thu Dec 30, 2021 4:29 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Do you check a bag for leisure travel?
Replies: 27
Views: 1628

Re: Do you check a bag for leisure travel?

Everything depends on the length of the trip, how many people are in the group, the time of year, and the airline's "fees". A week or more at a busy destination? We probably will check at least one bag. For example, when my husband and I travel to New Jersey in cold weather, we most defini...

Jump to post
by PSAatSAN4Ever
Thu Dec 30, 2021 4:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Should passengers report possible maintenance issues to crew
Replies: 71
Views: 9896

Re: Should passengers report possible maintenance issues to crew

Can someone explain what is a speed tape and it's primary function? I seem to remember reading a story a while back about a Concorde that took off and something punched a hole in the wing, and one passenger adamantly called for flight attendants to come over and see. They called the flight crew, an...

Jump to post
by PSAatSAN4Ever
Wed Dec 29, 2021 4:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 667
Views: 99806

Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2021

Does the 747-8 have enough range to take off from SAN and make it all the way to MUC? Absolutely! BA’s 744 made it SAN-LHR with no problems; a 748 could easily fly the slightly longer route. Will it happen? No. The 748 fleet is based at FRA, not MUC. The 748’s are rotated to match premium demand, a...

Jump to post
by PSAatSAN4Ever
Wed Dec 29, 2021 4:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Should passengers report possible maintenance issues to crew
Replies: 71
Views: 9896

Re: Should passengers report possible maintenance issues to crew

Can someone explain what is a speed tape and it's primary function? Hi there! Speed tape is exactly what it sounds like - tape that is used for airplanes used to make temporary repairs so that the plane can fly at...well, "speed". It's not a permanent fix; however, it can be used for temp...

Jump to post
by PSAatSAN4Ever
Tue Dec 28, 2021 8:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 667
Views: 99806

Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2021

Does the 747-8 have enough range to take off from SAN and make it all the way to MUC? Absolutely! BA’s 744 made it SAN-LHR with no problems; a 748 could easily fly the slightly longer route. Will it happen? No. The 748 fleet is based at FRA, not MUC. The 748’s are rotated to match premium demand, a...

Jump to post
by PSAatSAN4Ever
Tue Dec 28, 2021 7:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Should passengers report possible maintenance issues to crew
Replies: 71
Views: 9896

Re: Did this person do the right thing?

Some passengers will grumble that they have nothing to grumble about. Think about all the things you have heard passengers b****and moan about - why would a safety issue be anything other than a form of torture to them? Many years ago I was on an ExpressJet flight waiting to take off for SAN from BF...

Jump to post
by PSAatSAN4Ever
Thu Dec 23, 2021 3:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United dropping 14 routes
Replies: 120
Views: 21775

Re: United dropping 14 routes

That's a shift in strategy - wasn't UA's networking plan to make IAD the "connecting" hub and EWR the "O & D" hub? That was my first thought too!! "Oh, our hub at EWR is SOOOOOO crowded! Let's move all our connecting flights to IAD". Yeah, I get that - but in the e...

Jump to post
by PSAatSAN4Ever
Wed Dec 22, 2021 8:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 667
Views: 99806

Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2021

Doing a dummy trip into the Lufthansa website, I am seeing for September service is five times a week (x14), departing MUC at 12:30 PM, arriving SAN at 3:25 PM, then departing SAN at 5:10 PM arriving into MUC at 1:35 PM. I like the idea of connecting through MUC more than FRA, simply for the slightl...

Jump to post
by PSAatSAN4Ever
Thu Dec 16, 2021 7:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 667
Views: 99806

Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2021

The most interesting thing about flying to Germany is, well...there's not one single massive "primate city" that is the main starting point for travelers. In other words, there's no London, no Paris, no Amsterdam to mark a major starting off point. So, other than connectivity, is there a m...

Jump to post
by PSAatSAN4Ever
Tue Dec 14, 2021 7:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lufthansa to launch MUC-GIG and MUC-SAN in S22
Replies: 35
Views: 4275

Re: Lufthansa to launch MUC-GIG and MUC-SAN in S22

FRA-SAN does not appear to be returning, as the 466/467 flight numbers are assigned to MUC-SAN and SAN-MUC. Perhaps SAN-FRA isn't returning due to the retirement of the A340-300? The A343 will be retired as new 787 arrive. No phase-out is planned until the first 787 arrive. They don’t want to be sh...

Jump to post
by PSAatSAN4Ever
Tue Dec 14, 2021 5:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lufthansa to launch MUC-GIG and MUC-SAN in S22
Replies: 35
Views: 4275

Re: Lufthansa to launch MUC-GIG and MUC-SAN in S22

FRA-SAN does not appear to be returning, as the 466/467 flight numbers are assigned to MUC-SAN and SAN-MUC.

Perhaps SAN-FRA isn't returning due to the retirement of the A340-300?

Jump to post
by PSAatSAN4Ever
Tue Dec 14, 2021 5:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 667
Views: 99806

Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2021

I'm assuming that the FRA fllight is being transferred to MUC, rather than LH beginning nonstops to both its hubs. LH has a history of using MUC as an alternative to FRA both for the sake of relieving traffic at FRA but also as a cudgel against high fees, labor costs, and regulations at FRA. For th...

Jump to post
by PSAatSAN4Ever
Mon Dec 13, 2021 11:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Pan Am Express ATR-72?
Replies: 3
Views: 970

Re: Pan Am Express ATR-72?

I remember they were on the schedule for late 1991, as this was an option to get to Washington, DC. I would have flown LAX-JFK-DCA, with the short leg on the ATR-72.

Pan Am was gone, however, before I bought the ticket, and as to whether or not the planes arrived, I can't say.

Jump to post
by PSAatSAN4Ever
Mon Dec 13, 2021 6:20 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Your 2022 Booked/Flown Flights
Replies: 26
Views: 2984

Re: Your 2022 Booked/Flown Flights

I will FINALLY be on BA 272/273 777-300 SAN-LHR and LHR-SAN!! Outbound on Monday, September 19 (arriving on Tuesday, September 20), and returning on Sunday, October 2. Along with that will be Hawaiian Airlines SAN-HNL, HNL-ITO, ITO-OGG, OGG-HNL, and HNL-SAN. Yes, there is a non-stop from OGG to SAN,...

Jump to post
by PSAatSAN4Ever
Fri Dec 10, 2021 8:57 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: British Airways A380 Retirement?
Replies: 17
Views: 2211

Re: British Airways A380 Retirement?

As I stated before, I am well aware that flights and times and all that can change. This is NOT in response to that. This was in response to the idea that an A380 was no longer being scheduled LAX-LHR, which, given Heathrow slots, I thought would continue to be flown by the A380. Also, the British A...

Jump to post
by PSAatSAN4Ever
Fri Dec 10, 2021 8:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: "Huge MH370 Breakthrough"...Opinions?
Replies: 9
Views: 3283

Re: "Huge MH370 Breakthrough"...Opinions?

The only "HUGE BREAKTHROUGH" will be when they find the resting place of that plane. Otherwise, it's just speculation.

Jump to post
by PSAatSAN4Ever
Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:56 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: British Airways A380 Retirement?
Replies: 17
Views: 2211

Re: British Airways A380 Retirement?

Its not being retired. Your flight isn’t until Sept 2022. BA are always changing aircraft types at the moment. I bet it will change at least a few more times before that date. That is very true; however, if there was any airport that I would expect the type to operate from, it's LAX. But if it is b...

Jump to post
by PSAatSAN4Ever
Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:41 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: British Airways A380 Retirement?
Replies: 17
Views: 2211

British Airways A380 Retirement?

I know the A380 has been the topic of intense discussion, however, this event happened very suddenly and I would like the input of the members here. Sunday, December 5: My husband and I purchase plane tickets to go to London in September of 2022. Outbound, we were planning on flying LAX-LHR on an A3...

Jump to post
by PSAatSAN4Ever
Wed Dec 08, 2021 7:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: BA sues ORD, concerning FOD damage to multiple aircraft
Replies: 27
Views: 6962

Re: BA sues ORD, concerning FOD damage to multiple aircraft

Okay, I'll bite: What does FOD mean?

Jump to post
by PSAatSAN4Ever
Mon Dec 06, 2021 5:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: SNA closed until Dec 10th?
Replies: 15
Views: 4141

Re: SNA closed until Dec 10th?

For the record, the curfew hours are 10 PM to 7 AM, so indeed this is of little impact to the airlines.

Jump to post
by PSAatSAN4Ever
Thu Dec 02, 2021 6:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 20 years without Trans World Airlines
Replies: 148
Views: 17629

Re: 20 years without Trans World Airlines

I have three TWA experiences, each in a different decade, and each with a VASTLY different background. In January, 1975, (eight years old soon to be nine), I flew with my parents and little sister BFL-LAX-DFW-FSM on United, American, and Frontier for my grandparents' 50th wedding anniversary. Since ...

Jump to post
by PSAatSAN4Ever
Wed Dec 01, 2021 11:15 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: how come air india 1990 rebrand failed so hard compare to other such as lufthansa?
Replies: 10
Views: 1682

Re: how come air india 1990 rebrand failed so hard compare to other such as lufthansa?

A book somewhere in storage in my garage mentions the story. "Your palace in the sky!" - the original livery had individual "palaces" painted over all the windows. The new livery cheaped out on that...and the Indian public wondered "what else did they cheap out on?" Sal...

Jump to post
by PSAatSAN4Ever
Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:05 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: What is the cheapest flight you have ever taken?
Replies: 48
Views: 3074

Re: What is the cheapest flight you have ever taken?

Negative $600. The Lufthansa group actually paid me $600 to fly FRA-ZRH. In early 2017, I was looking for my perfect itinerary to Europe. LAX-FRA on LH was a must (and on the 747-8). The return I wanted, though, was to fly ZRH-SAN on the Edelweiss Air A340. Since we were leaving from Berlin, I kept ...

Jump to post
by PSAatSAN4Ever
Fri Nov 26, 2021 4:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: MP alleges Brexit resulted in a change in 'minimum mist altittude' in UK
Replies: 4
Views: 2810

Re: MP alleges Brexit resulted in a change in 'minimum mist altittude' in UK

Time for Scotland to revisit its independence quest so it can rejoin the EU? No politics, I agree; however, is this an isolated case of unintended consequences? Or are there other examples? Sticking to aviation, what does this mean for Bara? Will the UK begin paying for usage of such services, or wi...

Jump to post
by PSAatSAN4Ever
Fri Nov 26, 2021 4:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DB Cooper - 50 Years Ago Tonight
Replies: 32
Views: 5215

Re: DB Cooper - 50 Years Ago Tonight

To me, the greatest mystery is how that small portion of money - and ONLY that small portion of money - was found embedded in the bank of the river in 1980. Why the h*** would anyone bury a small portion of the marked bills if he had survived the jump? And why bury it in the bank of an ever-changing...

Jump to post
by PSAatSAN4Ever
Wed Nov 24, 2021 4:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Location of this Incident
Replies: 17
Views: 4327

Re: Location of this Incident

From one of the comments on YouTube:

This was at JFK, that camera is one of the ramp control cameras for Terminal 7. This was several years ago.


I can't confirm. Can someone else?

Jump to post
by PSAatSAN4Ever
Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:18 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Airline serviced airports now closed you once flew through
Replies: 35
Views: 2312

Re: Airline serviced airports now closed you once flew through

Only two for me, but decades apart and vastly different circumstances: January, 1975: Drake Field in Fayetteville, Arkansas. Long-since replaced with XNA, but I have driven by it, and it is still a general aviation field. July, 2017: Berlin Tegel. I shouldn't have, as BER was supposed to be opened b...

Jump to post
by PSAatSAN4Ever
Fri Nov 12, 2021 6:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 667
Views: 99806

Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2021

Looking at LAX for departure times as the standard, here are the flights that SAN cannot operate due to its 11:30 PM curfew: RED-EYES: SAN-MSP SAN-DFW SAN-IAH All of these would require a 1 AM departure. SAN-DEN This would require a 5:30 AM departure. And that's it, at least domestically. Only the C...

Jump to post
by PSAatSAN4Ever
Fri Nov 12, 2021 5:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Willing to spend four hours on hold? NYT on airline res service experience
Replies: 50
Views: 5822

Re: Willing to spend four hours on hold? NYT on airline res service experience

I am sorry to hear that some airline executives are still hoping "the problem magically takes care of itself". We know that doesn't happen, but the inability to deal with even the slightest disruption is indicative of a company that cares ONLY for short-term profits and not long-term susta...

Jump to post
by PSAatSAN4Ever
Sat Nov 06, 2021 11:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 667
Views: 99806

Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2021

Terminal 2 used to be called the West Terminal. I think it was after T2W opened they changed the name to Terminal 2. Maybe around 2000. Maybe they will decide to keep the USO building when they tear down T2E. http://www.departedflights.com/SAN95.html SAN in 1995. ]url]http://www.departedflights.com...

Jump to post
by PSAatSAN4Ever
Fri Oct 29, 2021 6:28 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: In retrospect should have American Flight 191 aborted takeoff?
Replies: 18
Views: 3493

Re: In retrospect should have American Flight 191 aborted takeoff?

I recall reading somewhere that during the DC-10 grounding other aircraft were found to have similar pylon cracks. In retrospect, every one of those planes was a disaster waiting to happen with AA191 just being the first to be have its luck run out. I know the NTSB report names some the affected pl...

Jump to post
by PSAatSAN4Ever
Fri Oct 29, 2021 6:22 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: How many airports did you fly from around your place of residence?
Replies: 46
Views: 2105

Re: How many airports did you fly from around your place of residence?

When I lived in Bakersfield, and in the remarkably few times I flew, it was either LAX or BFL, and if it was LAX, it was usually a family member driving to & from. Occasionally I'd do it myself and pay for parking. Only once did I use the Airport Bus of Bakersfield, which I don't even know if it...

Jump to post
by PSAatSAN4Ever
Mon Oct 18, 2021 8:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: IATA Takes Legal Action to End Dutch Slot Rule
Replies: 43
Views: 8640

Re: IATA Takes Legal Action to End Dutch Slot Rule

It's a confusing article because it talks about this new "policy rule" as if everyone already understood what it meant and what it was to do. For outsiders, I don't have any context for what this rule is, what it is supposed to do, how it interferes with EU law, and whatever else is believ...

Jump to post
by PSAatSAN4Ever
Sat Oct 16, 2021 10:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 667
Views: 99806

Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2021

Hawaiian A330-200 filed HNL-SAN 9:15AM - 5:45PM as HA66, an apparent one-off. A rare chance to get a beautiful golden hour shot (instead of the usual 8:10PM night flight). https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ha66 I wonder what Pualani does after she arrives in SAN at 6pm? Could be tied in to...

Jump to post
by PSAatSAN4Ever
Fri Oct 15, 2021 3:29 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Virgin Atlantic Cancels TATL Flights
Replies: 10
Views: 1121

Re: Virgin Atlantic Cancels TATL Flights

At least you had a phone number to call! When the pandemic started, our trip on Volaris TIJ-PVR was quite obviously not possible. Volaris had no phone number, no e-mail, and absolutely no way to communicate with them at all. They had our money and showed no signs of giving it back. Even disputing th...

Jump to post
by PSAatSAN4Ever
Fri Oct 15, 2021 2:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 667
Views: 99806

Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2021

SANFan wrote:
Thanks so much for the attempts at sharing and actually posting the pic guys! And what a surprise -- Speedbird arrived on a beautiful day in San Diego! Gorgeous shot!

bb


I am going to try again today at the same spot on 6th Avenue if anyone is nearby!

Jump to post
by PSAatSAN4Ever
Fri Oct 15, 2021 2:44 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: In retrospect should have American Flight 191 aborted takeoff?
Replies: 18
Views: 3493

Re: In retrospect should have American Flight 191 aborted takeoff?

The plane had already rotated and the nose was lifting up. There was no way at all that the flight crew was ever going to try and stop their plane. In fact, had they maintained their speed instead of following the standard "engine-out" procedure, they could have flown all the way to Califo...

Jump to post
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • 27