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by Fargo
Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:57 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: How was WN able to grow in DEN so quickly?
Replies: 44
Views: 5784

Re: How was WN able to grow in DEN so quickly?

BNA should be the next chapter in their story. I would not bet against them turning it into a 200-flight station. Absolutely BNA should one day be on par with BWI, MDW, DEN, LAS, etc. It makes a lot of sense. While it doesn’t (yet) have the O&D levels of those markets, it is the only viable mar...

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by Fargo
Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: How was WN able to grow in DEN so quickly?
Replies: 44
Views: 5784

Re: How was WN able to grow in DEN so quickly?

Here's the thing though, why was DEN growing prior to WN's entry? Reading some of these comments makes it seem like UA/F9 were struggling mightily in the mid-2000s to the point where they couldn't grow DEN at all. Yet, passenger traffic surged to a then-record 43,387,369 the year before WN entered t...

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by Fargo
Sun Jul 21, 2019 12:43 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: United Club in Denver
Replies: 10
Views: 1423

Re: United Club in Denver

They probably need to get going on a renovation of the clubs due to the increase in flights.

Not only that, but the whole of the existing concourses could use a refresh to match the new extensions.

BTW, is the Centurion lounge open in C yet?

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by Fargo
Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Denver Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 135
Views: 17591

Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2019

Where exactly is the new WN hangar going?

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by Fargo
Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines/Qantas Joint Venture Approved
Replies: 146
Views: 20221

Re: American Airlines/Qantas Joint Venture Approved

Hopefully, this means one or both of DFW-MEL and DFW-AKL is on the horizon.

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by Fargo
Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM/Air France Eyeing Delta focus cities
Replies: 49
Views: 8117

Re: KML/Air France Eyeing Delta focus cities

DL already does CVG/RDU-CDG, so not sure why that is being suggested. I’m sure AUS and BNA will be getting a DL/AF/KL TATL flight in the not too distant future, but SJC is right down the road from SFO so I doubt they’ll be seeing one. SJC being next to SFO didn’t stop LH from launching flights to t...

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by Fargo
Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 936
Views: 96047

Re: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019

TangoCharlie123 wrote:
https://thepointsguy.com/news/air-france-klm-eye-delta-focus-cities-for-u-s-expansion/

Air France-KLM Senior VP said they are looking at expanding into new Delta focus cities.


I’m sure a flight to either CDG or AMS would be on a DL 767. AF and KL birds are too big for here right now.

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by Fargo
Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM/Air France Eyeing Delta focus cities
Replies: 49
Views: 8117

Re: KML/Air France Eyeing Delta focus cities

DL already does CVG/RDU-CDG, so not sure why that is being suggested.

I’m sure AUS and BNA will be getting a DL/AF/KL TATL flight in the not too distant future, but SJC is right down the road from SFO so I doubt they’ll be seeing one.

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by Fargo
Fri Jul 19, 2019 2:09 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: How was WN able to grow in DEN so quickly?
Replies: 44
Views: 5784

How was WN able to grow in DEN so quickly?

WN didn’t enter DIA until 2006 and only started growing significantly there within the last decade, but it is now on the verge of becoming their largest station, especially if they take all the new C gates. Conventional wisdom suggests a carrier won’t do as well when the carrier raids a rivals hub (...

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by Fargo
Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:05 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What’s happening at BHM?
Replies: 53
Views: 4234

Re: What’s happening at BHM?

Probably NK. Seems like a good market for them to hit up the leisure routes. That was my first thought as well, but I wonder if it might be G4. Apparently the rumor is they're announcing new bases at BNA and ABE and expansion at others (if it hasn't been announced already), so a new city would fit ...

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by Fargo
Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Next wave of TATL per Boyd Group
Replies: 135
Views: 14824

Re: Next wave of TATL per Boyd Group

Tourism is up in 2019 for Memphis, again the UK is a big source of international visitors. According to the report, music is the main draw for Memphis tourists worldwide. Domestic tourists most commonly visit Memphis from Nashville, Dallas, Atlanta, Little Rock and Chicago, while most international...

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by Fargo
Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 936
Views: 96047

Re: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019

I have to wonder how much of the growth is being driven by WN compared to the other airlines. I worry if the MAX groundings last much longer, it will affect the growth here.

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by Fargo
Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:23 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UA at FRA
Replies: 21
Views: 4490

Re: UA at FRA

Compared to Britain and France, Germany is much more decentralized so a lot of corporate headquarters are based in the FRA area (same as MUC). That is why there are so few transatlantic flights to Berlin and so many in FRA and MUC. Is this a culture thing, or is this the result of the geopolitical ...

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by Fargo
Sat Jul 13, 2019 4:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 936
Views: 96047

Re: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019

I've only been down on A once recently, to catch the BA flight and I was extremely late and didn't pay much attention. Isn't there a second gate for international arrivals? If so can it handle a widebody, or is the bigger issue the FIS temporary facility? There are two boarding bridges at the FIS, ...

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by Fargo
Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 936
Views: 96047

Re: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019

It would have to be around those times as any later would conflict with BA. But also remember that barring a delay, they’d never be at B at the same time as DL would leave just as BA is arriving at A. BNA just can’t process multiple widebodies right now until the IAB is done. Also, DL would use a 7...

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by Fargo
Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 936
Views: 96047

Re: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019

A DL AMS or CDG flight would likely arrive around mid afternoon and leave around 5 pm (using surrounding markets such as CVG, IND, RDU as a benchmark), so it shouldn't have a problem being accommodated, but that would have to be it until the new IAB opens. Everything else you said is spot on. BNA i...

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by Fargo
Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 936
Views: 96047

Re: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019

Talked to some of my DL connections today. They’re speculating a CDG or AMS flight could be announced as soon as this fall. BA was announced in August 2017. We’ll see what happens. I know some of the BNA leadership. They are always looking for new international routes to expand, but even if an airl...

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by Fargo
Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 936
Views: 96047

Re: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019

I would prefer Delta over BA. I’ve taken the flight a couple of times now and found some of the BA staff (granted its a third party) at check in to be pretty rude/unprofessional each time for no reason, and not what you would want to represent our city. Check in was a mess each time with long lines...

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by Fargo
Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 936
Views: 96047

Re: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019

Talked to some of my DL connections today. They’re speculating a CDG or AMS flight could be announced as soon as this fall. BA was announced in August 2017. We’ll see what happens. What about the Sky Club expansion, when will construction begin? I wonder how it will affect BA if CDG or AMS is launc...

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by Fargo
Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:12 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 669
Views: 105020

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

You’re right, I totally forgot we are dealing with experts who have a proven track record of success and have delivered numerous projects of this magnitude on time and under budget. Who am I to be skeptical? After all, they have done a fantastic job on the new ATS, it’s really smooth ridi....... oh...

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by Fargo
Tue Jul 09, 2019 2:55 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 669
Views: 105020

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Hold on a minute. The article states construction isn’t going to begin on the satellites until 2022. What? The satellites need to be operational before the Global Terminal begins construction, which is scheduled for 2023. How on earth are they going to manage that? The satellites will need to be be...

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by Fargo
Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 936
Views: 96047

Re: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019

I'm not sure why six international gates draw so much attention. It feels about right to me if the goal is to eliminate towing for departures. There will likely be some growth in weekend only seasonal Caribbean service either by WN or by others (look how much STL has, for instance), and having the ...

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by Fargo
Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 936
Views: 96047

Re: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019

If Nashville gets AMS/CDG on Delta, and perhaps FRA, the timing of flights could put all three at the gates at the same time (alongside BA). I suspect as swing gates AA and DL will want back the gates they lose during construction. I suspect WN will temporarily give up a few gates on C until the co...

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by Fargo
Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 669
Views: 105020

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2019

Hold on a minute. The article states construction isn’t going to begin on the satellites until 2022. What? The satellites need to be operational before the Global Terminal begins construction, which is scheduled for 2023. How on earth are they going to manage that? The satellites will need to be beg...

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by Fargo
Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:10 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 936
Views: 96047

Re: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019

southwest1675 wrote:
The only foreseeable international flights from BNA I see are a flight or two to South America, someone to FRA, JL to NRT, and FI to KEF. You could also technically throw in WS to YVR, and AC to YUL.


I’d say DL to CDG or AMS is more likely than FRA.

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by Fargo
Mon Jul 08, 2019 2:33 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 936
Views: 96047

Re: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019

If any city is willing to offer ridiculous incentives, I am sure a Chinese airline is willing to fly out of there. I wouldn't expect any us airlines or their jv partner to fly out of secondary cities anytime soon. China is a different beast, lIRC there are an extremely limited number of exemptions ...

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by Fargo
Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 936
Views: 96047

Re: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019

I always see the TPAC talk on this thread (and IND, others). But how far out are you all realistically thinking a flight is. I see people say in the future but what is the future to you? 2021? 2025? 2030? 2035? I just am curious on the timeline you think instead of saying future which could mean 1 ...

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by Fargo
Sun Jul 07, 2019 2:27 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 936
Views: 96047

Re: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019

CMH has Honda, and Honda has more operations in central Ohio (and in particular more functions, like engineering, that lead to demand to Japan) than Nissan or Bridgestone has or Mitsubishi will in Nashville . Are you sure? I think it's actually pretty even. Even so, Honda's actual North American HQ...

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by Fargo
Sun Jul 07, 2019 1:59 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 936
Views: 96047

Re: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019

Would tourism be a factor for TPAC services? I definitely handled my fair share of bags to Asia during my ramp days. I know that doesn’t mean anything, but at least you know people from BNA are heading there. Yes, but not primarily. An Asia flight from BNA would ultimately need business traffic to ...

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by Fargo
Sat Jul 06, 2019 6:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 936
Views: 96047

Re: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019

I'm pretty sure BNA has been courting Asia since a bit before the London flight was announced. I remember reading an article at least from 2013 about it. Here's what's going to happen though, I think it is going to play out like this. You are going to see AUS, RDU, BNA, IND, CMH, or some other mid-...

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by Fargo
Sat Jul 06, 2019 3:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 936
Views: 96047

Re: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019

I don’t think extending 2L/20R is a bad idea, but I was just a tad confused. Nor do I, but JL and NH have no trouble operating to fields with a single suitable runway (like NGO). That’s not the issue with a Japan flight. I remember the MNAA saying somewhere that BNA could handle a fully loaded 747....

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by Fargo
Sat Jul 06, 2019 12:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 936
Views: 96047

Re: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019

Supposedly BNA was courting Europe/London service for over 10 years. I could only imagine how long it could take to recruit an Asia flight. I'm pretty sure BNA has been courting Asia since a bit before the London flight was announced. I remember reading an article at least from 2013 about it. Here'...

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by Fargo
Sat Jul 06, 2019 12:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What is next for Icelandair?
Replies: 80
Views: 12153

Re: What is next for Icelandair?

Imagine the magic! To get to Paris from St Louis via Nashville-Atlanta-Orlando-Reykjavik-Paris. Dream come true! More like STL-BNA-KEF-CDG, not much different than other 2 stop options. Nah, BNA has no nonstops to KEF. And I doubt WN is jumping on that one judging by their success in the Internatio...

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by Fargo
Sat Jul 06, 2019 3:56 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What is next for Icelandair?
Replies: 80
Views: 12153

Re: What is next for Icelandair?

Next up for FI should be codesharing with WN and using WN’s enormous domestic feed for flights to Europe. Imagine the possibilities...... Imagine the magic! To get to Paris from St Louis via Nashville-Atlanta-Orlando-Reykjavik-Paris. Dream come true! More like STL-BNA-KEF-CDG, not much different th...

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by Fargo
Sat Jul 06, 2019 2:35 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What is next for Icelandair?
Replies: 80
Views: 12153

Re: What is next for Icelandair?

JetBlue would not be too happy... Who cares. They aren’t a nationwide carrier. The US3 ought to be worried if WN ever started codesharing with FI and other airlines. Then again, neither are the people who go to Iceland (as their final destination). Most are concentrated in the east coast, like JetB...

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by Fargo
Sat Jul 06, 2019 2:09 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What is next for Icelandair?
Replies: 80
Views: 12153

Re: What is next for Icelandair?

Next up for FI should be codesharing with WN and using WN’s enormous domestic feed for flights to Europe. Imagine the possibilities...... JetBlue would not be too happy... Who cares. They aren’t a nationwide carrier. The US3 ought to be worried if WN ever started codesharing with FI and other airli...

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by Fargo
Sat Jul 06, 2019 1:37 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What is next for Icelandair?
Replies: 80
Views: 12153

Re: What is next for Icelandair?

Next up for FI should be codesharing with WN and using WN’s enormous domestic feed for flights to Europe. Imagine the possibilities...... FI was the first ever airline to interline with WN https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=196825 They should create a new expanded partnership that allo...

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by Fargo
Sat Jul 06, 2019 1:28 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What is next for Icelandair?
Replies: 80
Views: 12153

Re: What is next for Icelandair?

Next up for FI should be codesharing with WN and using WN’s enormous domestic feed for flights to Europe.

Imagine the possibilities......

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by Fargo
Sat Jul 06, 2019 1:00 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 936
Views: 96047

Re: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019

WKRN had a several part series the other day with Doug Kreulen on the BNA Vision work and projects beyond. https://www.wkrn.com/news/nashville-2019/behind-the-scenes-at-nashville-international-airport/ The last video is an interesting one. It is about the proposed runway extension and towards the m...

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by Fargo
Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Air Lines June 2019 Operating Performance.
Replies: 95
Views: 11013

Re: Delta Air Lines June 2019 Operating Performance.

DTW and MSP both earn a much higher revenue premium today than they did 10-15 years ago. Take some time to educate yourself and research the data. This is what I was talking about earlier. People on this board can be so negative to other posters. Sad. Its especially sad when they do so while spinni...

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by Fargo
Thu Jul 04, 2019 1:28 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 936
Views: 96047

Re: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019

WKRN had a several part series the other day with Doug Kreulen on the BNA Vision work and projects beyond. https://www.wkrn.com/news/nashville-2019/behind-the-scenes-at-nashville-international-airport/ The last video is an interesting one. It is about the proposed runway extension and towards the mi...

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by Fargo
Thu Jul 04, 2019 1:09 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Air Lines June 2019 Operating Performance.
Replies: 95
Views: 11013

Re: Delta Air Lines June 2019 Operating Performance.

Well thats certainly an interesting viewpoint. On the data that Delta submits to the SEC claiming a revenue advantage.....well, they're lying. Because the folks on a.net have better data! Then we're not talking the same data. I'm talking head-to-head route data where this supposed product-driven re...

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by Fargo
Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:00 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DFW Foreign Carrier Estimated May 2019 Loads
Replies: 24
Views: 2478

Re: DFW Foreign Carrier Estimated May 2019 Loads

Quite amazed at how the QF flight has 129 seats less on the outbound than inbound, although it certainly doesn't appear to make a difference with load factors of around 75% on the inbound anyway. Also interesting to notice that they are only behind Air Canada as the international carrier with the m...

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by Fargo
Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UPDATED: AA drops ORD-PEK/PVG, reduces NRT
Replies: 685
Views: 113524

Re: UPDATED: AA drops ORD-PEK/PVG, reduces NRT

I'm sorry I don't understand your response. When did I ever mention MSP-PEK? I posed a question because I don't know if DL has ever publicly stated their interest in ATL-PEK, or if this is insider information that DL intends to file for the rights to begin ATL-PEK in addition to their application f...

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by Fargo
Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UPDATED: AA drops ORD-PEK/PVG, reduces NRT
Replies: 685
Views: 113524

Re: UPDATED: AA drops ORD-PEK/PVG, reduces NRT

LondonXtreme wrote:
Why UA doesn't apply for IAH-PVG and ? That is the biggest unserved US-China market.


I didn't even think of this. Yes, this would be much more reasonable than MSP-PVG.

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by Fargo
Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UPDATED: AA drops ORD-PEK/PVG, reduces NRT
Replies: 685
Views: 113524

Re: UPDATED: AA drops ORD-PEK/PVG, reduces NRT

Has DL shown any interest in starting ATL-PEK? With AA returning their frequencies I think its safe to assume DL will be awarded MSP-PVG and UA will go daily double EWR-PVG. The big question is will either DL or UA go after the last remaining frequency? If so will DL apply for ATL-PEK as you have s...

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by Fargo
Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UPDATED: AA drops ORD-PEK/PVG, reduces NRT
Replies: 685
Views: 113524

Re: UPDATED: AA drops ORD-PEK/PVG, reduces NRT

I wonder if DL will still pursue MSP-PVG, and maybe ATL-PEK. Has DL shown any interest in starting ATL-PEK? With AA returning their frequencies I think its safe to assume DL will be awarded MSP-PVG and UA will go daily double EWR-PVG. The big question is will either DL or UA go after the last remai...

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by Fargo
Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: ORD "People Mover" Shutdown Causing Headaches
Replies: 30
Views: 6430

Re: ORD "People Mover" Shutdown Causing Headaches

This simply highlights why the new Global Terminal is badly needed. They need to get construction going ASAP.

The satellites should start construction next year right?

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by Fargo
Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Virgin Atlantic demands 150 slots at expanded Heathrow airport
Replies: 136
Views: 19301

Re: Virgin Atlantic demands 150 slots at expanded Heathrow airport

Would this not raise antitrust concerns? Considering the VS/DL/KL/AF jv already has two dominant hubs in CDG and AMS, this could be the beginning of a sizable third hub for the jv (though still not as sizable as CDG/AMS).

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by Fargo
Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 936
Views: 96047

Re: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019

Mitsubishi is moving its North American HQ to Franklin from California. https://www.wkrn.com/top-stories/mitsubishi-motors-to-move-north-american-headquarters-to-franklin/ This further bolsters the case for a TYO flight down the road. Don’t overestimate the size of Mitsubishi. This is probably some...

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