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by amc737
Mon Oct 21, 2019 6:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Airlines in London
Replies: 62
Views: 11953

Re: United Airlines in London

United had 2 stints flying UA1 and UA2. Someone else will know the exact dates but in the mid-1990's UA1 & UA2 was not the same plane around the world. As mentioned a 767 flew from LHR-DEL-HKG and back, I believe there where restrictions on the number of seats that could be sold and traffic righ...

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by amc737
Sun Oct 20, 2019 11:52 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Airlines in London
Replies: 62
Views: 11953

Re: United Airlines in London

Hi all It might be worth a comparison of United flights to Heathrow over the years, UA started operations to LHR in April 1991, in August 1991 in terms of long haul flights: JFK 3 x daily EWR 1 x daily IAD 2 x daily SFO 1 x daily SEA 5 x weekly LAX 1 x daily So in August 1991 the most UA long haul a...

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by amc737
Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:58 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: When did UA restart SEA-LHR? (90s-2000s)
Replies: 14
Views: 2799

Re: When did UA restart SEA-LHR? (90s-2000s)

A mention should be given to Denver but again that has been dropped and returned. I always heard that UA was somehow restricted in flying DEN-LHR nonstop. It had something to do with either UA flying it "direct" as DEN-ORD-LHR, which I also heard restricted BA from flying DEN-LHR (as oppo...

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by amc737
Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:29 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: When did UA restart SEA-LHR? (90s-2000s)
Replies: 14
Views: 2799

Re: When did UA restart SEA-LHR? (90s-2000s)

United used the 747SP not long after buying the route from Pan Am, I seem to remember a mix of these and 767s. Obviously the route didn’t perform and United have dropped a number of long hual routes from Heathrow since they started in April 1991. Seattle as mentioned was part of the original Pan Am ...

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by amc737
Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:02 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: British Airways 747 Route Network of the past.
Replies: 100
Views: 11655

Re: British Airways 747 Route Network of the past.

I have dug out some old BA timetables, in the summer 2000 timetable out of Gatwick 747's are timetabled to the following destinations: Abuja (via Lagos) Buenos Aires Dar Es Salaam (via Nairobi) Denver - equipment varies Entebbe (via Nairobi) Harare Houston Lagos Lilongwe (via Harare) Lusaka Mauritiu...

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by amc737
Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:17 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: British Airways 747 Route Network of the past.
Replies: 100
Views: 11655

Re: British Airways 747 Route Network of the past.

I believe there was a provision in Bermuda 2 that allowed a British airline with Heathrow access i.e BA or Virgin to move a service from Gatwick if it was the sole carrier operating and it attracted over 300,000 pax over 2 years or something like that, this meant Denver, Phoenix and San Diego could ...

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by amc737
Sun Jul 21, 2019 9:18 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: British Airways 747 Route Network of the past.
Replies: 100
Views: 11655

Re: British Airways 747 Route Network of the past.

It might be easier to work out where they didn't fly as the 747 has been British Airways most humorous long-haul aircraft until the late naughties when retirements and 777 deliveries tipped the balance. In the 90’s the 747 dominated BAs network, the Tristar was retired in October 91, the 777 arrived...

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by amc737
Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: History of AA intercontinental flying at ORD
Replies: 40
Views: 3579

Re: History of AA intercontinental flying at ORD

American have had 2 stints at Stansted, the first try was Chicago to Stansted from June 1992 to May 1993 with a 767-200. At the time this was a flagship service for Stansted and it was quite a blow when American stopped due to loses incurred, the airport was a bit of a ghost town at the time, only A...

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by amc737
Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:22 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: History of AA intercontinental flying at ORD
Replies: 40
Views: 3579

Re: History of AA intercontinental flying at ORD

American started operations to Heathrow on 1 July 1991 following the purchase of TWA route authorities however it actually initially bought the Chicago authority from TWA the year before, the deal eventually covered Boston, New York and Los Angeles. American initially started Gatwick Chicago in June...

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by amc737
Thu May 09, 2019 12:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta to LGW, will UA and AA follow?
Replies: 51
Views: 9446

Re: Delta to LGW, will UA and AA follow?

United are unique in that out of all US carriers that have flown schedule transatlantic they have never served Gatwick, they had some charter flights in 1985 with 747-100's but the first time they flew schedule to London was in April 1991 when they purchased and started operating Pan Ams former Heat...

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by amc737
Fri May 03, 2019 12:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Pan Am 747 Cabin Era Article #5 | Final Era: One Last Effort at Capturing the Market by Following Trends (1987-1991)
Replies: 33
Views: 5657

Re: Pan Am 747 Cabin Era Article #5 | Final Era: One Last Effort at Capturing the Market by Following Trends (1987-1991)

Can I also say how much I have enjoyed these threads over the last 5 weeks. I did wonder what effect the CRAF conversations had on configurations. I concur with PA91 that the 747-123's ended up as Atlantic aircraft. Looking at old logs for August 1990 for Heathrow I found the following arrivals: N96...

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by amc737
Wed May 01, 2019 1:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta & MCO ...what next?
Replies: 33
Views: 4190

Re: Delta & MCO ...what next?

As far as I am aware Delta never operated a non-stop Orlando-Gatwick, they did operate Miami to Gatwick briefly after buying Pan Ams European route network in 1991.

Delta have flown Gatwick to Atlanta, Boston, Cincinnati, Detroit, Miami, New York and Frankfurt

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by amc737
Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Package of new/used A380's pitched to BA was uncompetitive: Cruz
Replies: 173
Views: 31028

Re: Package of new/used A380's pitched to BA was uncompetitive: Cruz

To be fair this is not unique to the A380 although no doubt it is very expensive to re-configure - most traditional long haul operators do not buy second hand long haul airliners. British Airways have no history of doing this, yes some leasing of 747-100s back in the day but the 747-200 and 400 flee...

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by amc737
Fri Apr 12, 2019 1:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: London Stansted aims to secure flights to 25 long haul destinations over the next 5 years
Replies: 76
Views: 12366

Re: London Stansted aims to secure flights to 25 long haul destinations over the next 5 years

Jazeera Airways are rumoured to be going to Gatwick, this would not surprise me and I would expect an evening in-bound to London, overnight back to Kuwait I am surprised it took Emirates as long as it did to start Stansted, its gets a bad rep for having a smaller catchment then Luton but there are p...

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by amc737
Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: EK and London
Replies: 65
Views: 10309

Re: EK and London

Another interesting post Cunard to follow up by my reckoning from your list the following moved to Heathrow from Gatwick in the years after 1991 Air Lanka Air New Zealand Air Seychelles American Airlines ANA All Nippon Airways Azerbaijan Airlines CAAC as Air China Canadian International successor to...

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by amc737
Tue Apr 09, 2019 6:05 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: EK and London
Replies: 65
Views: 10309

Re: EK and London

An excellent post by Cunard - just to add that the reason for the moves was the London Air Traffic Distribution rules ended in 1991 - previously this meant if an airline had not started Heathrow ops by 1978 they had to operate to Gatwick, this is why Air Malta then a new airline started Heathrow in ...

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by amc737
Sun Apr 07, 2019 2:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Is BA ever going to expand its LGW fleet?
Replies: 32
Views: 6272

Re: Is BA ever going to expand its LGW fleet?

Likewise while Malta is increasingly attracting winter sun visitors British Airways does not even fly daily in winter and Air Malta usually has spare seats other than over Christmas. Even in the summer BA use 319s on some services. I’m actually surprised in the summer they have never operated a few ...

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by amc737
Sat Apr 06, 2019 9:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Is BA ever going to expand its LGW fleet?
Replies: 32
Views: 6272

Re: Is BA ever going to expand its LGW fleet?

I think the current Gatwick operation is the first time is while BA have got Gatwick right. I remember the Hub without the Hubbard and at one point BA flew to more destinations from LGW then LHR with an extensive euro operation and large long haul operation with 747s, 777s (which replaced the DC-10s...

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by amc737
Sun Mar 24, 2019 9:07 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Turkmenistan to Birmingham? Why?
Replies: 33
Views: 8327

Re: Turkmenistan to Birmingham? Why?

Turkmenistan had been the great survivor of Birmingham, over the years many airlines have tried the BHX-CIS-India route yet only Turkmenistan have been consistent. Over the years Kazakhstan Airlines, Tajik Air and Kyrgyzstan Airlines have all had a go with Tu-154s (typically each used the same aircr...

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by amc737
Sat Mar 09, 2019 7:01 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Last VS A340
Replies: 51
Views: 15746

Re: Last VS A340

Virgin leased Martinair 767-300 PH-MCG to operate Manchester Orlando in lieu of an A340 over autumn/winter 1996/7. I’m not sure if this did turn up on occasion at Gatwick my memory is hazy. It was nearly in full colours - the tail was painted and it had titles but retained Martinairs natural metal b...

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by amc737
Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:20 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Info request - Gatwick and the 747
Replies: 16
Views: 1576

Re: Info request - Gatwick and the 747

Interesting query I think Virgin Atlantic's first flight was 22 June 1984 from Gatwick to Newark operated by G-VIRG. An educated guess would put their peak Gatwick ops at 8 747 aircraft in 1991 just before they moved to Heathrow in 1991. Not all routes moved and for most of the 1990's 3 aircraft rem...

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by amc737
Sun Feb 03, 2019 7:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Does Emirates carry its own return catering?
Replies: 23
Views: 7825

Re: Does Emirates carry its own return catering?

Having briefly worked for British Airways I can confirm what has already been said, on most long haul flights catering is uploaded at on route. As has been discussed US regulations meant even apples and other fruit in the club kitchen had to be discarded. Bar carts are kept on board, which is why on...

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by amc737
Sat Jan 19, 2019 6:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Future of Air Malta
Replies: 2
Views: 952

Re: Future of Air Malta

Two further NEOS are due this year, these are meant to replace 9H-AHR which has been returned already and 9H-AEJ the A319. Leases on the other A320's apparently have been renewed. I suspect more NEOS will arrive and will gradually replace the A320ceos. There has been rumours of interest in something...

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by amc737
Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Confirmed: British Airways to paint 4 aircraft in retro livery
Replies: 671
Views: 136030

Re: Rumor: British Airways to paint 4 aircraft in retro livery

I remember there was quite a long run up to the unveiling of the utopia scheme in June 1997, it was eagerly anticipated - some new aircraft deliveries where delivered in an interim scheme based on the new colours but with the old style tail still and no speedmarque - I quite liked this scheme. What ...

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by amc737
Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Bizarre Milk Run - Tarom in the 1980s
Replies: 10
Views: 3354

Re: Bizarre Milk Run - Tarom in the 1980s

During the 1990s Romavia flew to Casablanca via Malta usually with a 111 however I remember seeing an il-18 operate the service.

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by amc737
Tue Dec 18, 2018 9:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Wizz Air To Overtake Easyjet as Biggest London Luton Airline (11 based aircraft)
Replies: 52
Views: 6611

Re: Wizz Air To Overtake Easyjet as Biggest London Luton Airline (11 based aircraft)

To re-iterate Ryanair01 post drift in 1996 Ryanairs Stansted destinations where Connaught, Cork, Dublin and Glasgow Prestwick, this had been launched in September 1995 I think. At this time Air UK still had a large operation with flights to key UK domestic and European cities. Air UKs operation grad...

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by amc737
Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:04 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Malta might consider A321LR to fly to NY, Toronto, Mumbai
Replies: 49
Views: 7754

Re: Air Malta might consider A321LR to fly to NY, Toronto, Mumbai

Apart from the already mentioned ATA 757 service on behalf of Air Malta, Balkan also flew Sofia-Malta-JFK with a 767-200 in the mid/late 90s. Air Malta have only operated 2 widebodies, both A310’s. In 1994 they leased D-AICM this was replaced by OO-SCI. These flew Malta to Dubai/Bahrain along with f...

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by amc737
Sun Nov 25, 2018 12:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Malta Fleet Updates?
Replies: 13
Views: 2099

Re: Air Malta Fleet Updates?

I don’t believe there is an open skies agreement between the EU and Tunisia and I seem to remember there is a limit on flights between Malta and Tunis which may limit the frequency. When Air Malta previously flew to Tunis it was twice weekly which is exactly what Tuninter (now Tunisair Express) flew...

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by amc737
Sun Nov 25, 2018 7:41 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Malta Fleet Updates?
Replies: 13
Views: 2099

Re: Air Malta Fleet Updates?

The ex Vueling A320 9H-AER has been returned, this had different engines to the rest of the fleet (V2500 instead of CFM56), 9H-AEJ the last A319 is also due to leave the fleet, the 2 new NEOs already mentioned are meant to replace these next year. I understand leases have been extended on the rest o...

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by amc737
Sun Nov 11, 2018 7:44 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: TAP A340 at LHR CS-TOA
Replies: 18
Views: 4947

Re: TAP A340 at LHR CS-TOA

Slight corrections Cyprus Airways used Terminal 1 and Canadian moved to Terminal 4 to be with Oneworld partner British Airways. They did move to Terminal 3 after the Air Canada takeover. When TAP first got the A340 they flew to Heathrow for crew training this was early 1995, later in the 90s they wh...

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by amc737
Sun Nov 11, 2018 7:32 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The Abating Airbus: The A310 Fades into History
Replies: 143
Views: 23568

Re: The Abating Airbus: The A310 Fades into History

Air India did use A310s to Heathrow on a route from Madras (as it was then) I seem to remember twice a week including a saturday however they where leased ones, V2-LEC etc. This was a new route so was in addition to the 747s. Air India’s own A310s only went to Manchester on multihops via Rome and th...

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by amc737
Mon Oct 08, 2018 12:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: LGW L1011 Timetable services
Replies: 76
Views: 8225

Re: LGW L1011 Timetable services

Long time reader, first time member

From Gatwick Aviation Society info the only Eastern L1011 to ever visit LGW was N332EA on 5 Feb 1985. As the service was announced in May 1985 I suspect this had nothing to do the MIA-LGW service

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