I still think IND-STL would be a good add. STL is positioned perfectly for connecting traffic to ICT OKC TUL ect. All other airlines you have to go up to ORD DTW or down to DFW ATL. STL would be no back tracking. WN ran that briefly right around the start of covid but never brought it back. IND and...
Jump to postFlystl.com was finally updated after a year. It's already outdated because of the new F9 DFW. Inexplicably AC to Montreal was left off as well as Avelo to New Haven.
Jump to postI read an article today that the CEO stated that Frontier makes when it competes with the legacy carriers not the budget carriers. "When we look at our route profitability, we make the most money where we compete with legacies," he said, referring to United (UAL.O), opens new tab, Delta a...
Jump to postSFO officially protests: >>SFO Expresses Serious Concerns Over Oakland International Airport's Proposed Renaming Effort Airport anticipates customer confusion, especially abroad SAN FRANCISCO – April 1, 2024 – The San Francisco International Airport (SFO) expressed serious concerns over a proposed ...
Jump to postUpon looking at flystl.com it appears that nobody has updated the airline and routes section or map for over a year now. There is no other major or minor airport that does this. Makes them look like they aren't on top of things.
Jump to postThe speculation on this is incredible. A potential focus city from PDX to BUF to RSW and everything in between.
Jump to postI would have thought avelo would open stl with Burbank or Florida. Can’t imagine there is too much demand between stl and New Haven Ct WN is starting Burbank daily in June and Florida is pretty covered. So that probably rules those out. I thought they might try RDU even though WN already flies ther...
Jump to postWhile not LAX, I think ONT can make a great ULCC hub and id love to see F9 expand there. Yes I know they've added LAX, you can't serve LA without serving LAX as F9 has learned but an ONT hub/base/focus city can do wonders for a ULCC. It's not packed like LAX, constrained like SNA and BUR, and not c...
Jump to postI kind of thought this was interesting over in the DTW thread: https://simpleflying.com/delta-london-heathrow-flight-cuts-summer-2024/ Article says: It filled 626 out of the 744 available seats on a typical day. Booking data for these three summer months suggest that, on average, about 372 passenge...
Jump to postThe only way that MCI/KCI grow with passenger count, I believe, is for SWA to connect more passengers and add more non stop destinations. The new terminal is a beauty for connecting traffic and passengers. Beats connecting throu DIA or STL hands down WN updated their city fact sheets and it’s very ...
Jump to postInteresting stat about how much United has changed STL since pre covid. March they are scheduled to run 38% less flights than March 2019 but have 6%-ish MORE seats. Mondays Eight mainline in 2024 vs one in 2019 Five 50-seaters in 2024 vs nineteen in 2019 My guess is that less than 5% of the total f...
Jump to postImagine what a powerhouse this region would be if Akron worked in support of Cleveland instead of against it. Akron doesn't work against Cleveland, it works for Akron, and by extension Canton.... I wasn't looking for this, but was on CAK's website looking for something else and came across this: &q...
Jump to postMIflyer12 wrote:Surprised they can't make DEN-SJD work. SoCal-SJD sees a lot more capacity from more operators.
CLEaviation1995 wrote:Great additions by F9, has that hub feel with 28ish destinations and most of the new ones being unserved.
Does anyone know if WN's flight to SJD is spring/summer seasonal only? Currently it's Mar-Aug but not on the new extension into November. Makes me think it's not flying in the winter.
Jump to postAA bumped up PHL from 2x daily to 4x starting June 5th. Response to F9? They left PHX alone.
Jump to post10 largest WN stations by daily departures on the latest schedule
DEN 322
LAS 269
MDW 259
BWI 233
DAL 208
PHX 203
MCO 183
HOU 177
BNA 165
STL 133
Airport commission update D concourse will reopen - airlines have asked to reopen it sooner than later. You will be able to go thru security in T1 and get to T2. I think they said they plan to open the rest of C and D in 2025. It came up during the elevator/escalator maintenance portion of the meet...
Jump to postFrontier starting STL-PHL Starts May 22nd. 4x a week. Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Saturday Morning flight both ways. Our first non tourist ulcc route in a long time. I think this is a cool add I really hope it works better than the F9 ORD/ATL experiments went. We need more ULCC routes like this. I r...
Jump to postF9 restarting PHL in May per Ishrion. Last flew in ‘21 IIRC. I’ve flown this many times, with a few flights being completely full A321s. Absolute lifesaver since it’s way cheaper than AA. With AA going 3x daily A319 on this route and now F9 coming back, I’d say WN might want to look at this as well...
Jump to postJshank83 wrote:Jshank83 wrote:NK added FLL 3x a week. March 7 to April 7
Extended to June 4th. Maybe we will see some flights come back from them now
stlgph wrote:Never underestimate the stimulation power of a $54 airfare. People will book them to get somewhere at 3 am on April 31 if it was offered.
Airventure737 wrote:I saw on Wikipedia, then confirmed on Spirit's website, that service to Tampa will start in March. Looks like 3/week service.
This might be behind a paywall for some. In addition to the Frankfurt flights, Bayer now wants a flight to Sao Paulo to reach its South American markets. Who knows? https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/government-politics/study-lambert-airport-impact-on-st-louis-area-economy-could-grow-by-5b-by-2032/...
Jump to postIt doesn't even matter imo. The route will be gone before the summer is over These LCC's shoot themselves in the foot with awful flight times. Who wants to sit around until 11:30pm in a deserted terminal for this flight and only to arrive in PHX in the middle of the night. Also, NK is bringing back...
Jump to postFrontier in June 2024: CLE-LAS: 2.0 CLE-MCO: 2.0 CLE-TPA: 2.0 CLE-RSW: 1.4 CLE-CUN: 1.0 CLE-PHL: 1.0 CLE-LGA: 1.0 CLE-RDU: 1.0 CLE-FLL: 1.0 CLE-PHX: 1.0 CLE-SJU: 1.0 CLE-DEN: 1.0 CLE-CLT: 0.6 CLE-DFW: 0.6 CLE-MSP: 0.6 CLE-ATL: 0.6 CLE-SRQ: 0.6 CLE-PUJ: 0.4 CLE-MIA: 0.4 CLE-MBJ: 0.4 19.6 avg daily t...
Jump to postMore than likely about half of these routes will be gone by the end of the year. Omaha having a 3rd carrier to Dallas seems like a nonstarter.
Jump to postFrontier is adding nonstop flights to Phoenix starting April 10th! 4x a week Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Saturday I’ll take any new route but starting it in April I’m not sure is the ideal time. If my spreadsheets are right this last ran april 2017. Doesn’t seem that long ago 11:30pm departure from ...
Jump to postI would have added the SJD dot to that image if I were them. I do think SJU on F9 would be an interesting add. I’m still surprised WN hasn’t expanded it I've said this for years about SJU. It would be such an easy destination from STL since it's domestic and doesn't require a passport. Does anyone ...
Jump to postJust got a targeted ad from F9 saying hey stl, fly with us to San Juan. Probably means nothing but there was a base announcement there today so keep an eye out It does seem like a logical add. WN has had success with this route on a Saturday only basis for several years now. Time for F9 to jump in.
Jump to postIs WN having another meltdown? Flightaware is showing 450+ cancels yesterday and today. Seems like they have already cancelled 600 tomorrow… Other airlines are not having similar levels of cancellations, so this can’t be weather driven… what is going on at WN? DEN, MDW, MCI, STL, BNA — all large st...
Jump to postI haven't followed STL, so apologies if this has been asked a million times. Has the slack from the draw-down of the TW/AA hub been completely filled? I'm just curious from reading in other threads that this airline and that airline needs to open a new hub (for themselves), yadda, yadda .... but on...
Jump to postNK came in and focused on routes that were pretty much saturated already. PNS didn't need a 2nd carrier, CUN didn't need a 4th carrier, PHX didn't need a 3rd carrier etc etc I don't see Breeze coming anytime soon. Unless they change their focus from smaller markets with limited service to taking on ...
Jump to postAugust Loads September are also out, I am just behind. If you want to know a specific September route before I get to all of them let me know. AC YYZ 73.5% AS SEA 79% AA Los Angeles CA (LAX) 81.98% Dallas/Fort Worth TX (DFW) 81.05% Boston MA (BOS) 78.51% Charlotte NC (CLT) 77.49% Miami FL (MIA) 75....
Jump to postavtcle wrote:WN CLE DEN is 2.0 in Jun 2024.
Looks like the 2x daily A220 DL put on JFK won’t happen. We still get the second frequency but both are with E175s. I’m honestly not surprised since it’s going to take a few more years to grow that route into 2x daily mainline. That route will be 2 years old in a few months. I can't believe any air...
Jump to postCurrent WN weekday routes from CLE in June 2024. 14 daily and adds have stagnated.
MDW X4
BWI X3
BNA X2
STL X2
ATL X1
DEN X1
WEEKENDS HAVE MCO,PHX,LAS
Speaking of MSY, why hasn’t an airline locked up that route out of CLE, I’m sure demand is high there, no? Would think F9 could make it work 3-5x weekly, as well as PDX,MCI,MKE,AUS, BDL…all routes with no competition, and relatively high demand to. These would be my domestic route choices to add to...
Jump to postWhile traffic is growing at IND well above the national average, it does seem like IND has some network holes to fill in the next couple years: TATL: - No service - CVG, STL, CLE, & PIT all have TATL flights Broader North America: - No service outside of YYZ(which is only 1x daily currently), a...
Jump to post^My point with the garden was to demonstrate that there are people living in CLE from those countries, not provide the number of people. FLYKTPA stated there is no local population. With that logic then Cleveland may have a Russian population of a few thousand and therefore a nonstop to Moscow is a...
Jump to postI didn't realize the competition from AA was so slight. 3 daily and one is an RJ and probably a good percentage connect in PHL which F9 can't offer. One of the most suppressed airfare routes in the US. PIT-CLT is another. Zero competition, plenty of VFR traffic dealing with I-77. AA will now match ...
Jump to postWell well well, F9 is finally competing with AA on a PIT-PHL route, as well as PIT-RDU and PIT-DFW. ALSO competing with DL/WN on PIT-ATL. Obviously not official yet, but if/when it's confirmed, very interesting additions. https://x.com/ishriona/status/1735141117421666691?s=46 They are loaded in the...
Jump to postCLE-DUB for November looks a little weak. 3832 pax and 6256 seats for a 61% load factor. Non-US travelers are holding up better that US; 956 non-US is about 25% of the business. (Pax numbers are approximate since I have only one direction data.) This does look weak in comparing STL's LH flights wer...
Jump to postCommision updates Curbside check in for Southwest has been moved to the other side of the T2 doors. Thanksgiving checkpoint traffic was 3% ahead of 2019. Expect November to be above 2019. Runway under construction should reopen end of January. If Nov & Dec can both do 1.3 million passengers the...
Jump to postOctober numbers for STL This is the first month numbers exceed 2019 numbers for the same month! :bouncy: Up 10.9% vs OCT 2022 Up 9% YTD vs 2022 Up 1.5% vs OCT 2019 Down 6.4% YTD vs 2019 https://www.flystl.com/uploads/documents/public-notices-and-reports/2023-YTD-Air-Traffic-Activity-Report-Oct.pdf ...
Jump to postUnfortunately, I fear that MCI has missed the boat on becoming a WN connecting/hub station like STL or MDW. WN has really filled their network out at this point, I just don't really see significant room for growth in their network that would include MCI. I think we can only really hope that WN adds...
Jump to postI think that SWA could ramp up flights and run more connections through here and bring back some destinations previously served I’m one would rather fly than drive. I like to be able to fly nonstop to Wichita or Des Moines nonstop than drive for a weeekend getaway. I know people who don’t travel bu...
Jump to postsrg2023 wrote:Southwest isn’t doing any favors for MCI, even with the new terminal
Jshank83 wrote:International loads for August
No LH numbers were filed
WN CUN 90%
WN PUJ 86%
WN MBJ 84.5%
F9 CUN 80%
AC YYZ 73.5%
F9 PUJ 67.5% - end of season pushed outbound down. Inbound 88.5%
F9 MBJ 35.5% - end of season