Re: Air France KLM - Master Thread

Pilots have signed after extended discussions, added assurances and insights into previously closed documents.

Word is that the finance minister is also on board.

Re: Air France KLM - Master Thread

To get into the nitty gritty of it all. The Dutch government are asking for a plan for the 5 years the government loan is set to run. It is not even that. They require to commit to a reduction for as long as the loans isn't payed back fully, with an expection of 5 years. But it could be longer, it ...

Re: Air France KLM - Master Thread

Insane ey? What about 80% of other employees at KLM receiving a payRISE or a BONUS whilst the pilots receive 20% less salary? What about cabin crew refusing to dead head in M class and thus having to downgrade valuable C class passengers....and so on.... The pilots love KLM. They will do anything f...

Re: Air France KLM - Master Thread

I cannot for the life of me wrap my head around this. The unemployment benefits are a 70% payout of your last salary, so it looks like they would rather take that 30% pay cut than an up to 20% temporary pay cut from their employer. :banghead: One of the problems seems to be that it will not be temp...

Re: LEY ready for business?

Cityhopper moving to Lelystad does not make sense as most of their business is delivering and taking passengers to/from KLM. The supposed plan for the airport was to move the holyday flights from EHAM when EHAM was at the maximum number of flights, so there is not really a reason for Lelystad to exi...

Re: Easyjet sued for discrimination by woman forced to move seat

The issue here isn't so much that Easyjet or its staff discriminated, more that they assisted the Ultra-Orthodox men to discriminate. The cabin crew seem to have done their best to resolve the situation "on the hoof" and nobody can blame them. The real criticism is that the company should...

Re: Air India Express IX1344 landing accident at Kozhikode

That drop off at the end is massive, plus the fact it doesn't have any sort of EMAS is a joke IMO. It doesn't have a true EMAS but it does have a 240m overrun area which is the highest recommendation from ICAO. If you overrun a 2860m runway plus another 240m, the design isn't an issue at that point...

Re: Electrical airplanes in Norway technically possible by 2025?

What if they would use hydrogen instead of batteries, would that save weight? I mean, there are already tests going on with hydrogen powered aircraft and they look promising. Also the waste product of hydrogen is just plain water, which can be dumped during the flight resulting in a lower landing w...

Re: Electrical airplanes in Norway technically possible by 2025?

Problem with range is that, unless the rules change for these sort of aircraft, normally the amount of fuel carried has lots of required margins in it. Startup and taxi fuel, trip fuel, contingency fuel, diversion fuel. While some could be abolished (taxi via a tow, diversion fuel not needed under c...

Re: KL735 AMS to CUR returning?.

It's a medical issue.

Re: KLM slab on the risk for discrimination

Sit where you are assigned. If the man cannot sit next to a woman and it wasn't voluntarily accommodated, he is the one coming up with new demands and should leave the plane. I totally agree with that. If person A has a problem onboard with person B next to them because of something person B cannot...

Re: Air France KLM - Master Thread

The loan is for KLM, not those other companies. If any other company wants a similar arrangement they can expect similar condition, if it even would be considered. That is not how the government sold it. They save KLM not because they want KLM to stay afloat, but because if KLM falls, numerous othe...

Re: Air France KLM - Master Thread

This is all abolished and I wonder why. With pilots only making up less than 10% of the total workforce and by far not all pilots make as much as politicians think, the actual amount of money being saved by this demand is minuscule compared to the overal costs of KLM. If it purely was about making ...

Re: Air France KLM - Master Thread

The big mistake the unions make is that they view the Dutch government as a government willing to spend money on KLM. Actually, the Dutch government has no intention of spending money on KLM and thus the Dutch government (but we see the same in France) set conditions which ensure KLM will pay back ...

Re: Air France KLM - Master Thread

I am certain the unions will cooperate with reducing costs, as they have done before. But they want the normal way of negotiations between company and employees, not a set reduction in pay because a politician thinks it helps him get votes next elections. The big mistake the unions make is that the...

Re: Air France KLM - Master Thread

As far as I understood, the government wants both. Certain salaries need to reduce by at least 20% and as a whole KLM needs to reduce costs with 15%. And the first part is what agitates the unions and I see their point. There can still be some discussion how that 20% is divided between the multiple...

Re: Air France KLM - Master Thread

Not only Air France is having trouble with it's staff, the KLM staff can also be an obstacle in the recovery. As we all know, KLM is being bailed out by the Dutch government, 3,4bn Euro's in their case. In exchange for this, they asked a reduction in the operation cost of 15%. So we are talking abo...

Re: Air France KLM - Master Thread

Not only Air France is having trouble with it's staff, the KLM staff can also be an obstacle in the recovery. As we all know, KLM is being bailed out by the Dutch government, 3,4bn Euro's in their case. In exchange for this, they asked a reduction in the operation cost of 15%. So we are talking abo...

Re: Air France KLM - Master Thread

BTW the job cuts will be announced next week (not to interfere with the good news). Would be a little quick. While it is already announced that jobs will be lost, both publicly and internally, the restructuring plan is still being made. It has to be in effect at the end of october, as it is a requi...

Re: Dominant language on Brussels Airlines - French or Flemish_

We had a nightstop in Monrovia for a few years and besides is there was 1 other airline flying to that place and that was Brussels airlines. We both were put in the same hotel (probably the only available) and what I mostly saw was a Dutch/flemish speaking cockpit- and French speaking cabincrew. Whi...

Re: CC yearly flight limit

Sorry if this has been covered here before. Is it correct cabin crew are capped at 900 flying hours per year? And can they go over that limit in a single year or carry over any unused hours from the previous year? Does this mean that on a average salary 'long haul' CC for example work on average 20...

Re: CCTV in Aircrafts

Passenger cabins and aisles/galleys today are monitored in flight per CCTV on many aircraft. Why shouldn't this be extended to the cockpit where it makes actual sense? Because they aren't monitored. At least, I know of no (western) airline which records camera's in the cabin or galley. In fact, I k...

Re: Air France KLM - Master Thread

Source: https://news.klm.com/klm-adds-more-destinations-to-network/ Intercontinental In June, KLM expanded its intercontinental network to include Aruba, Bonaire, Sint Maarten, Paramaribo and Quito. In July, KLM plans to add six additional destinations (Jakarta, Denpasar, Washington, San Francisco,...

Re: CCTV in Aircrafts

In most industry people are already under cctv monitoring, so why not airlines staff? Passengers, aren’t they already under it désulfites what airlines say Maybe where you live, but my country still has quite rigorous privacy laws. You have to have very good reasons to install a camera on the work ...

Re: CCTV in Aircrafts

Some aircraft (E-Jets and 777s are the ones I know of, but there are probably more) already have cameras pointing from the cockpit doorway towards the cabin, and you can see the galley, entryway, and first few rows. It's a great idea, and I hope we see more cameras around airplanes soon. Safety ove...

Re: Lufthansa: 10B EUR bailout - Update

https://newsroom.lufthansagroup.com/English/Newsroom/agreement-on-lufthansa-s-stabilization-package/s/1d7a23a2-8f62-42d4-93df-7ab8e2ae3b66 Needs more approval but I guess that’ll happen this time around. Not sure what the commotion is about looking at other airlines receiving support too. Thinking ...

Re: Lufthansa: 10B EUR bailout - Update

At least some further good news to the Lufthansa group operations in the coming weeks. Please see link: https://newsroom.lufthansagroup.com/english/newsroom/lufthansa-group-significantly-extends-june-timetable/s/2bcbc1dd-c323-4261-8de5-9acac0c05e5b 2000 weekly empty flights, you call that good news...

Re: Air France KLM - Master Thread

KLM already get's exceptions in their state support, they were allowed to lay off flex workers. First, the flexworkers were not laid off, their contract wasn't extended. While in laymans views it is often the same, there is a large difference between them. Secondl, KLM didn't get an exception, it s...

Re: Air France KLM - Master Thread

Aruba, Curacao and Sint Maarten are countries within the Kingdom of The Netherlands so not only historic ties but also current ties :) In that light, BON also has current ties as it is a municipality in the country of the Netherlands ;) Absolutely, so we can say that The Kingdom of The Netherlands ...

Re: Air France KLM - Master Thread

I have no problem with Ben Smith getting money. When he came to AFKL he actually took a paycut, but was promised subsequent remuneration including ones based on performance targets. Its important leadership is well compensated as good talent will be lost otherwise. Everything should be done to keep...

Re: May 18th, 1920: first official KLM flight: AMS - London

Assume the Croydon airport no longer exists? Did a quick google map search and see something that appears to have been its existence, but I yield here to the experts It is closed and mostly build over, but the terminal building and control tower are still standing and used as a visitors center/conf...

Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - May 2020

Surprised by the number of KLM flights. Are they allowing PAX transferring through AMS? Or are they running Cargo transfer flights? Pax are allowed to transfer, in fact that is what most of them do. Besides that and cargo flights, they still do some repatriation flights to get Dutch citizens back h...

Re: Lufthansa: 10B EUR bailout - Update

Yes and KLM for example flies to airports including within Germany that are less than 4 hours by train too. That would be Düsseldorf and Köln only, maybe Frankfurt of you catch the right train. And there are increasing voice in the Netherlands to ban short flights (below a certain distance) bit no ...

Re: Air France KLM - Master Thread

Blerg wrote:

Is Air France completely grounded or are they operating some flights right now?

Re: Sir Tim Clark "A380 is OVER"

The Whale killed by a microscopic virus. Among other factors of course... The real whales - the 747s - are still alive as the cargo versions are busy, in part due to the virus. I've never referred to the A380 as a whale - if forced into using a nickname, I'd call it Uncle Fester. Of course it is a ...

Re: BA, LH and KLM surviving crisis better than others?

Surprised by the number of KLM flights. Are they allowing PAX transferring through AMS? Or are they running Cargo transfer flights? Both. Some are cargo to and pax from a destination, some are cargo or pax only. A few, but it is decreasing, are flights to being back Dutch citizens stuck abroad. Man...

Re: KL Takes Into Account Possibility of AFKL Breakup

https://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/nieuws/categorie/2/airlines/wie-zijn-de-aandeelhouders-van-air-france-klm The Air France-KLM holding company, in turn, owns 49 percent of KLM's shares. The other 51 percent is in Dutch hands in connection with the retention of landing rights. The Dutch state has a 5....

Re: Ryanair Threatens EU Over State Aid to Airlines

Ryanair is a highly successful European airline that has reduced the ticket prices and revolutionized air travel in Europe. They do not want help, all they want is a fair competition, which means letting uncompetitive and fat airlines die. While constantly brushing against the law, often seeing the...