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by pygmalion
Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q1 2019
Replies: 6476
Views: 718234

Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

IMO, Boeing pushed the very edge of the envelope, developing a bigger and much more efficient plane, while desperately trying to keep it within the old type certificate, making it “ plug-and-play” for Airlines already operating 737’s. A new type requires extensive and VERY expensive training progra...

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by pygmalion
Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021
Replies: 871
Views: 105130

Re: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021

I don't think that investment was a waste for 2 reasons. 1. A-380 is going to continue to be delivered through 2021, and will probably fly for at least another 12 years after that. It will be 2033 before we start seeing A-380 last flight threads here on a.net. 2. The infrastructure upgrades to allo...

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by pygmalion
Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Dr. Peters begins scrapping of two ex-SIA A380s
Replies: 189
Views: 66427

Re: Dr. Peters begins scrapping of two ex-SIA A380s

Flew in and out of this airport about 6 weeks ago.What struck me was the rows and rows of Airbus - all quads - all the different shapes and sizes ( inc 380).Such an odd decision to continue developing them over and over again.Their first ( hairdryer) model yup ok there was fair logic ( and enough-j...

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by pygmalion
Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:07 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3187
Views: 596993

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

I'm curious why the system would be allowed to cause "uncommanded horizontal stabilizer trim movement" when the data are known (or suspected) by the system to be erroneous. Would it not be safer to have the system reject the data, not cause uncommanded trim movements, and raise an alert t...

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by pygmalion
Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3187
Views: 596993

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

How about a combination of unreliable airspeed and runaway trim? There is a lot of "power and pitch" information as a way to handle airspeed issues; but adding trim runaway on top of that - would it become a bit more fun to handle? Or is there anything with autothrottle in terms of alpha ...

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by pygmalion
Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3187
Views: 596993

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

the system doesnt pitch the nose down directly like the pilot pushing forward on the column and moving the elevator. It is re-trimming the stabilizer and is clearly visible in the cockpit by watching the barber poled 8" diameter trim wheel by the pilot and copilot legs spin while its trimming ...

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by pygmalion
Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3187
Views: 596993

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

Disclaimer: Not an aeronautical engineer or involved in aviation. The trimmable horizontal stabilizer wanting to jump in and pitch the nose down in the event it thinks AoA is excessive only when the autopilot is off sounds to me a lot like flight control law. How much alpha protection -- and other ...

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by pygmalion
Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3187
Views: 596993

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

yes, the aircraft is fully controllable with full nose down or nose up trim. Control forces are not that high. The trim switches still work but the system would keep trying until you cycled the stab trim cutout switches. its not that different from a Cessna 172/182 with electric trim.

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by pygmalion
Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3187
Views: 596993

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

Its a minimum of 30 days with a "worn" battery.. since this airplane was so new... I would expect a much longer time.

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by pygmalion
Tue Aug 28, 2018 3:28 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Why do you need to have an engine logbook when you have aircraft logbook already?
Replies: 14
Views: 2233

Re: Why do you need to have an engine logbook when you have aircraft logbook already?

The other reason engines have theIr own log books is they have their own airworthiness certificates that are owned by the engineer manufacturer. They are certified and granted a certificate long before they go on the airplane. To maintain that Certificate they must be maintained by the operator to t...

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by pygmalion
Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:19 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: A320 MPA as Orion / Atlantic Replacement, France , Germany
Replies: 174
Views: 20976

Re: A320 MPA as Orion / Atlantic Replacement, France , Germany

The 737/A320 market is/was thousands of frames not a few dozen for the MPA. Payback on the investment could take decades.

Not that it shouldn't be looked at. Airbus Military is a bit short on cash though with the latest A400M charges.

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by pygmalion
Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737 MAX Production Thread - Part 1
Replies: 846
Views: 254882

Re: Boeing 737 MAX Production Thread - Part 1

N7379E flew to Anchorage yesterday and is will head off somewhere today. Any idea where it's heading? https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n7379e When I saw it on FR24 it was heading to Cold Bay (CDB) Winds??? Crosswind test, cold soak tests or satellite connection testing are the normal cul...

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by pygmalion
Fri Sep 29, 2017 3:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: U.S. Dept of Commerce backs Boeing in dispute with Bombardier
Replies: 1424
Views: 102563

Re: U.S. Dept of Commerce backs Boeing in dispute with Bombardier

The way I see it the entire commercial aviation industry receives subsidies in some shape or another to launch aircraft programs. Overall for the most part these subsidies were largely overlooked until the lengthy and ongoing Boeing - Airbus WTO battle. Boeing's complaint against BBD has caused the...

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by pygmalion
Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Hurricane Irma's Impact on Aviation
Replies: 391
Views: 54223

Re: Airlines flying over eye of hurricane Irma

Agreed that its staggering amount of energy... but the hurricane is not producing it.... it's taking heat energy from the warm water, the rotational energy from the coriolis forces and winds aloft and then turning that energy into the storm. What goes out... came from somewhere.

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by pygmalion
Thu Apr 13, 2017 4:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Another United gaffe - forces doctor off plane
Replies: 2119
Views: 130925

Re: Another United gaffe - forces doctor off plane

However the question is, if it is a good idea to make crew orders open to debate, Where will this end? Sometimes the weather changes and you need to remove passengers after boarding, as you need extra fuel for a possible diversion, who would believe you and what do you do if the passengers refuse t...

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by pygmalion
Mon Apr 10, 2017 6:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Another United gaffe - forces doctor off plane
Replies: 2119
Views: 130925

Re: Another United gaffe - forces doctor off plane

Generally, those cases involve instances where the police acted outside the scope of their lawful duties and/or used excessive force. *Edit: Grammar. When shown to a jury, the video of the passenger's bloody face will likely register as the result of excessive force. It's possible...But only if 1) ...

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by pygmalion
Tue Jan 10, 2017 5:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 787-9 <-> Airbus A330-900 Competition
Replies: 656
Views: 109298

Re: Boeing 787-9 <-> Airbus A330-900 Competition

The planned aircraft MTOW increase to 245 metric tons might increase range for the A330-900 by 200NM. Maybe before EIS. (The 7T MTOW increase on the CEO (from 235T to 242T) increased range by 500NM)) Looking at current A330 operations, it doesn't seem range is a real issue. It might not be the best...

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by pygmalion
Fri Dec 02, 2016 4:58 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Is there any systems that can allow airlilnes easily move seats forward backward?
Replies: 12
Views: 1378

Re: Is there any systems that can allow airlilnes easily move seats forward backward?

Another issue would be if you are changing the seat pitch around you'd have the problem of aligning the overhead panels with the reading lights, call buttons, etc. ... These are usually also track mounted with spacer panels mounted between them. What connections are needed for each over row unit th...

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by pygmalion
Fri Aug 26, 2016 7:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The problems with El Al
Replies: 43
Views: 10035

Re: The probelms with El Al

Sure, with an incredible amount of infringement to law. These secondment security agents are known for acting like they're God. What laws do they break? Do you have documented evidence of that? Sounds like the same typical accusations against Jews from the same typical posters here. I frankly don't...

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by pygmalion
Fri Aug 05, 2016 3:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: GPS during flight
Replies: 18
Views: 4385

Re: GPS during flight

Regarding GPS in the 787, using my Garmin handheld, in the window seat. Absolutely NO satelite reception! This is on a total of 5 flights, 2 trans Atlantic, 1 trans Pacific, 1 in Japan, and 1 in the U.S. Don't forget that the windows are electro chromic. I would expect some signal getting thru the ...

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by pygmalion
Tue Jul 12, 2016 10:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Farnborough Air Show 2016 - Airbus Orders
Replies: 193
Views: 72615

Re: Farnborough Air Show 2016 - Airbus Orders

They've already said they want second-hand ones. I really can't see the connection between Brexit and A380 sales. There is a connection -- used or new A380s may now be significantly more expensive than they were two weeks ago, depending upon how IAG acquires them. As a A380 in IAG spec will have ar...

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by pygmalion
Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: SQ 368 engine catches fire
Replies: 302
Views: 65583

Re: SQ 368 engine catches fire

The fire was controlled within 1-2 minutes of the airplane coming to a stop. It takes 90 seconds to evacuate an airplane. If the crew had evacuated into the fire fighting effort it could have been much worse. All the fire trucks would have had to been much more careful with Pax around the airplane. ...

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by pygmalion
Thu Jun 16, 2016 3:07 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Can Boeing 777-300ER go faster than speed of sound?
Replies: 44
Views: 508

Re: Can Boeing 777-300ER go faster than speed of sound?

No it wont be fine. Max Operating Speed is .89 Mach for 7773ER. They certainly don't test it to Mach 1. The Never Exceed Speed (Vne) and Max Dive speeds are based on flutter testing and not some goal to hit mach 1. Can the airplane survive Mach 1... not for very long and you would need to do a mass...

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by pygmalion
Wed Jun 15, 2016 8:30 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: RTO question
Replies: 11
Views: 1809

Re: RTO question

Two things... for certification and calculation of runway takeoff lengths etc... RTO as a test is done with no reverse and brakes worn to minimum servicable limits and at Max takeoff weights. This results in a maximum brake energy stop. Fire and tire fuse failure is allowed and expected really but t...

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by pygmalion
Wed Jun 15, 2016 7:12 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Can Boeing 777-300ER go faster than speed of sound?
Replies: 44
Views: 508

Re: Can Boeing 777-300ER go faster than speed of sound?

No it wont be fine. Max Operating Speed is .89 Mach for 7773ER. They certainly don't test it to Mach 1. The Never Exceed Speed (Vne) and Max Dive speeds are based on flutter testing and not some goal to hit mach 1. Can the airplane survive Mach 1... not for very long and you would need to do a massi...

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by pygmalion
Thu Jun 09, 2016 8:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: No US Flights From Vancouver Harbour?
Replies: 15
Views: 2507

RE: No US Flights From Vancouver Harbour?

would require customs and airport security to international standards with prior to flight sending of all passport data. Might not be worth the trouble to add all that infrastructure.

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by pygmalion
Thu Jun 09, 2016 8:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing
Replies: 1187
Views: 73077

RE: Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing Part 5

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/apfpilot" class="quote" target="_blank">apfpilot</a> (<a href="#180" class="quote">Reply 180</a>):<br/><i>Sounds a lot like <acronym title="Dall...

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by pygmalion
Thu Jun 09, 2016 4:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing
Replies: 1187
Views: 73077

RE: Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing Part 5

The pinger batteries have to transmit for a minimum of 30 days at the end of the life of the battery. So after 10 years installed in an airplane... they then have to last 30 days. That pinger and the battery powering it, both have to survive an airplane crash. That is not a trivial problem. All the ...

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by pygmalion
Fri Jun 03, 2016 5:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: QR 'Walks Away' From First A320neo
Replies: 125
Views: 39131

RE: QR 'Walks Away' From First A320neo

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/flylku" class="quote" target="_blank">flylku</a> (<a href="#33" class="quote">Reply 33</a>):<br/><i>Agreed. If you don't want to deal with teeth...

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by pygmalion
Fri Jun 03, 2016 2:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: QF CEO Promises Very Luxurious 787-9 Configuration
Replies: 120
Views: 22907

RE: QF CEO Promises Very Luxurious 787-9 Configuration

Just wait until the 11 across A380 hits service

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by pygmalion
Mon May 23, 2016 3:48 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Pitot Tube Design Between Various Aircraft Makers
Replies: 6
Views: 3338

RE: Pitot Tube Design Between Various Aircraft Makers

When the AF447 accident happened and the <acronym title="Avialeasing Aviation Co. (Uzbekistan)">AD</acronym> to restrict the number of one suppliers pitot tubes on an airplane, there was also a Boeing <acronym title="Avialeasing Aviation Co. (Uzbekistan)">AD</acronym> doing the same as they used the...

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by pygmalion
Mon May 23, 2016 3:43 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: What Purpose Does This Frontal Fin Serve On MD-88?
Replies: 36
Views: 10240

RE: What Purpose Does This Frontal Fin Serve On MD-88?

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/CALTECH" class="quote" target="_blank">CALTECH</a> (<a href="#16" class="quote">Reply 16</a>):<br/><i>Are you sure ? What about the much larger ...

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by pygmalion
Mon May 23, 2016 1:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing
Replies: 1187
Views: 73077

RE: Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing Part 4

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/AirBoat" class="quote" target="_blank">AirBoat</a> (<a href="#170" class="quote">Reply 170</a>):<br/><i>just a question? I assume there are vent...

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by pygmalion
Thu May 19, 2016 8:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing
Replies: 1187
Views: 73077

RE: Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing Part 2

all commercial jets have both a hard mounted ELT and one or more portable ELTs. The shock sensors are on the hard mounted ELT

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by pygmalion
Thu May 19, 2016 8:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing
Replies: 1187
Views: 73077

RE: Egypt Air 804 Paris-Cairo Missing Part 2

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/Av8rDAL" class="quote" target="_blank">Av8rDAL</a> (<a href="#221" class="quote">Reply 221</a>):<br/><i/></font></td></tr></table> EgyptAir does...

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by pygmalion
Fri Apr 29, 2016 11:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus Major Problems With A320neo, A350 And A400M
Replies: 87
Views: 33311

RE: Airbus Major Problems With A320neo, A350 And A400M

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/abba" class="quote" target="_blank">abba</a> (<a href="#51" class="quote">Reply 51</a>):<br/><i>I was under the impression that airlines purchas...

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by pygmalion
Fri Apr 29, 2016 11:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 787-10 Better Than -9?
Replies: 28
Views: 10920

RE: 787-10 Better Than -9?

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/lightsaber" class="quote" target="_blank">lightsaber</a> (<a href="#8" class="quote">Reply 8</a>):<br/><i>Different wing/body structure 789 has ...

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by pygmalion
Fri Apr 29, 2016 7:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus Major Problems With A320neo, A350 And A400M
Replies: 87
Views: 33311

RE: Airbus Major Problems With A320neo, A350 And A400M

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/Ncfc99" class="quote" target="_blank">Ncfc99</a> (<a href="#49" class="quote">Reply 49</a>):<br/><i> And when all that inventory delivers after ...

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by pygmalion
Fri Apr 29, 2016 7:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 787-10 Better Than -9?
Replies: 28
Views: 10920

RE: 787-10 Better Than -9?

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/XT6Wagon" class="quote" target="_blank">XT6Wagon</a> (<a href="#2" class="quote">Reply 2</a>):<br/><i>Expect any meaningful advances to be rolle...

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by pygmalion
Fri Apr 29, 2016 6:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus Major Problems With A320neo, A350 And A400M
Replies: 87
Views: 33311

RE: Airbus Major Problems With A320neo, A350 And A400M

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/airbazar" class="quote" target="_blank">airbazar</a> (<a href="#37" class="quote">Reply 37</a>):<br/><i>That's an incorrect comparison. Airlines...

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by pygmalion
Thu Mar 24, 2016 10:30 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: KC-46 Production, Testing And Delivery
Replies: 1690
Views: 156457

RE: KC-46 Production, Testing And Delivery Part 4

The $1.<acronym title="Trans International Express (USA)">5B</acronym> was a government estimate of what the over run could be for what that's worth. Boeing said $766 million. Boeing is building 767's at 2 a month. The wiring issues on the early frames wont affect the build rate nor will the contami...

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by pygmalion
Thu Mar 24, 2016 9:54 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Is It Really A 777-200ER?
Replies: 16
Views: 7098

RE: Is It Really A 777-200ER?

Boeing renamed the 777-200IGW to the 777-200ER when it developed and sold the 777-200LR and 777-300ER programs in the 2002ish time frame. The 200IGW and the now called 200ER are one and the same structural airframe with some additional common changes that were slotted in when the 200LR/300ER went in...

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by pygmalion
Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:58 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: UA Pilot Arrested For Running Half Dozen Brothels
Replies: 57
Views: 10374

RE: UA Pilot Arrested For Running Half Dozen Brothels

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/milemaster" class="quote" target="_blank">milemaster</a> (<a href="#16" class="quote">Reply 16</a>):<br/><i>Do you think people will change thei...

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by pygmalion
Thu Mar 24, 2016 1:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus New Cabin Brand - Airspace By Airbus
Replies: 22
Views: 10975

RE: Airbus New Cabin Brand - Airspace By Airbus

They say they are going to get 10 more seats on the A330Neo but keeping 8 abreast and no change in width. How are they doing this? Less pitch? Fewer or smaller lavs or galleys? Changing the lighting or shrinking IFE boxes doesn't add more seats Where is the space for 10 more pax coming from?

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by pygmalion
Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:07 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Boeing's Cfrp Barrel Construction: How Successful
Replies: 10
Views: 4701

RE: Boeing's Cfrp Barrel Construction: How Successful

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/WIederling" class="quote" target="_blank">WIederling</a> (<a href="#7" class="quote">Reply 7</a>):<br/><i> You'd be surprised how small the diff...

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by pygmalion
Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:07 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Inflatable Tent For Engine Repairs
Replies: 17
Views: 5617

RE: Inflatable Tent For Engine Repairs

it takes 12-16 hours to cure fire seal and as long as 24 hours in cold weather (40-50F) Tenting and heating to 80F can bring that down to 4-6 hours. Time is money for an airline. The engine isn't harmed by cold temps, it is -75F at altitude on every flight and the whole wing cold soaks. (see fuel ic...

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by pygmalion
Wed Mar 16, 2016 8:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43
Replies: 2336
Views: 372138

RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 47

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/KarelXWB" class="quote" target="_blank">KarelXWB</a> (<a href="#96" class="quote">Reply 96</a>):<br/><i>Quoting VV701 (Reply 95): The applicatio...

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by pygmalion
Tue Mar 15, 2016 1:29 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Boeing's Cfrp Barrel Construction: How Successful
Replies: 10
Views: 4701

RE: Boeing's Cfrp Barrel Construction: How Successful

The skins are way smoother due to the much lower fastener count through the skin. They build a barrel every two days. There was that fire from the ELT battery but Boeing replaced large portion of the barrel section with a very large patch... I have heard of no groundings due to any interactions with...

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by pygmalion
Fri Mar 11, 2016 9:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Women Thrown Out Of Plane For 'Staring' At Crew
Replies: 41
Views: 15445

RE: Women Thrown Out Of Plane For 'Staring' At Crew

The JetBlue Contract of Carriage says nothing about not being able to take photos or videos during flight.

http://www.jetblue.com/p/jetblue_coc.pdf

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