F9's business model (and new 'up and back' strategy) coupled with the need for intense fleet optimization doesn't work as well with those long transcon routes where you are blocking an aircraft at nearly 15 hours for 2 flights. That same aircraft could fly 2 - 3 of the PHL-CVG, CLT, RDU type routes ...
Jump to postWe talk a lot about F9's growth but I personally loose sight of the sheer scale of their operation. Especially when plotted on a map. It is impressive that many of these have grown to 1+ daily, and not just the Florida flights. The average distance is 715 nautical miles. The Caribbean/CUN and LAS/DE...
Jump to posthttps://www.axios.com/local/philadelphia/2024/03/21/philadelphia-airport-tsa-complaints Most complaints are about TSA Precheck I wonder if the complaints are about the lack of it in A-West, B, and F (and A-East when it didn't have it)? Compared to other airports, PHL tends to have the shortest PreC...
Jump to postDecember load factor
AA PHL-DOH - 88%
2023 AA load factors (a random assortment)
PHL-CDG - 77%
PHL-ATH - 91%
PHL-BCN - 84%
PHL-DUB - 80%
So a bunch of PHL statistics are out for the year 2023 (Scroll down to the bottom of the page for Statistical Information) https://www.phl.org/business/investor-information/statistical-information A couple of interesting highlights The Qatar flight had a PDEW of 310! The Discover/Lufthansa flight i...
Jump to postSo a bunch of PHL statistics are out for the year 2023 (Scroll down to the bottom of the page for Statistical Information) https://www.phl.org/business/investor-information/statistical-information A couple of interesting highlights The Qatar flight had a PDEW of 310! The Discover/Lufthansa flight i...
Jump to postIt is optimistic if the numbers are correct...sorry, I am skeptical because we've seen other numbers whether from PHL or news sources like PBJ that misrepresent data / interpreted incorrectly. The strategy for a direct PHL-India flight seems flawed, for several reasons. 1.) PHL-India is only going t...
Jump to postYou hit the nail on the head: It’s ALL about where AA chooses to deploy assets. I’ve seen MANY an AA JFK-CDG flight go out 70% empty (or more) during the winter months. That’s largely due to obvious factors, such as the fact that JFK serves CDG about 15 times a day on several different airlines, as...
Jump to postAA is one of the largest airlines in the world and has the traffic flow. Dublin and Paris could go longer seasons or year around if they simply chose to deploy the assets there which is why we saw London increase to 3 daily and Madrid go year around. It's a matter of a wholistic network in tandem w...
Jump to postF9 restarting PHL-LAS on May 16th as a daily flight on a 321, flights on their website but no seats for sale yet. Interesting because their recent strategy has been to keep flights under 1500-1600 miles for the most part and this is almost 2200. I believe it's their longest announced new/restarted ...
Jump to postIIRC not long ago there were Saturday-only adds for Nov (I assume longer) for other 'existing' Caribbean destinations...I see STT, SXM, PLS, extra MBJ, PUJ flights
Jump to postWas at the airport today for volunteering and I see Connect Airlines still has 2 aircraft parked. I know they laid off a bunch of an employees not to long ago so at this point I have low expectations they will get off the ground with their operations. Hopefully their appeal works in there favor. Si...
Jump to postAA PHL-DOH November stats:
PHL-DOH: 96% LF
DOH-PHL: 76% LF
Total: 86%
For those who may have seen on social, F9 is holding a big event tomorrow night at Craft Hall from 5-8pm giving away free flights, miles, status, swag, etc. I thought this press push was kind of odd since PHL didn't benefit from the most recent route news. However, I just heard they are announcing ...
Jump to postLong-time observers might recall the days when foreign flag carriers would serve BOS and PHL with the same flight. BA, LH, and maybe one or two others would. For BOS, IAD and DTW were tag-on flights as well, probably more so in the winter low season. so much conjecture. I am retired and really appr...
Jump to postI compare PHL to BOS from time to time, but in reality PHL isn't anywhere near BOS. BOS is generally more wealthy but it is also broadly a much more mature business climate. The tech and life science sectors are like 15 years ahead of PHL. BOS has also maintained a financial services hub that PHL lo...
Jump to postThanks. It doesn't look like a lot at face value, but 1.6% of EWR traffic coming from PA would be about 370k enplanements in 2019. I'll assume (namely because we don't have the numbers) that 1) The large majority of that number is people going to a non-North American destination as that's where the...
Jump to postThere is no reason why EK or EY would fly to PHL. There's a reason Qatar left (it juts doesn't do well O/D) and American can make it work because they can connect passengers from all over the US through PHL rather than JFK as it's less congested. There's a reason why LH left, even though they serve...
Jump to postSurprising UA didn't launch it sooner, going all the way back to 2021, when Greece was among the first to reopen. Question is wether or not the market can support 2 carriers. I think the market can support both carriers, it seems like AA does pretty well on ORD-Europe. But if it works for AA, it wi...
Jump to postcrownvic wrote:I see the 788 is back on the LAS route. Looks like it does not last too long though compared to last winter.
If AS/HA goes through I think it is all the more reason why AA won't touch Hawaii with these types of routes (JFK, CLT, PHL). They will rely on a partner with even more strength to the region and not need to expend their own limited resources (WB's) on long leisure routes....relying on partners is w...
Jump to postWith today's storm, we have multiple heavys landing 17 today, mostly cargo. Taxiing is pretty messy today with some traffic attempting to take off 17 as well. Would love to see some videos! I remember as a kid growing up at PHL, it was a very rare occasion to see any jet using 17/35. One time, I di...
Jump to postPHL-DUB sees the 789 after it ends on ATH (~Aug-Sep)
In the core of the S24 season PHL-LHR (2), FCO, LIS, ATH, CPH, NCE will be in the 789 for a 7 daily.
The issue with F9 and funneling is that their network planning and schedule is not based on banks to feed other flights, especially not at 1x daily or sub daily. There might be some feed if they ever fly TATL from PHL, but I am not counting on it. They would be targeting the PHL O&D that appears...
Jump to postIt is just so depressing to me that F9's slap-happy route adds are the only developments at PHL. F9's adds in PHL are barely even an investment from the airline -- they have built up Chicago, Dallas, Miami, and other markets bigger than PHL. Just so frustrating. I'd love for their to be adds from o...
Jump to postThe silence on the Chase lounge and AA Flagship lounge is astonishing. It's been over a year since Chase announced their plans and nothing since. There was 'talk' about the Flagship lounge a few months ago. But like I said back then, there has been nothing from AA. Demolition and construction for t...
Jump to postI agree that PHL really dropped the ball with cargo over the last 25 years. The area is very well situated between DC and NYC and now sits within 60-90 miles of tens of dozens of distribution centers. But the airport never redeveloped and is left way behind many other airports that have quite a bit ...
Jump to postA random guess at the routing seems pretty plausible and thus no other shoe to drop
LHR-LAX (6:50pm - 11:25pm) *overnight
LAX-PHL (8:05am - 3:56pm)
PHL-LAX (6:30pm - 9:35pm)
LAX-LHR (12:25am - 6:00pm)
BA: Philadelphia (PHL) 787-10 replace 777-300ER from Mar. 31 PHL is going to be almost all 787 next year expect for Discover/Lufthansa with the A330 https://twitter.com/IshrionA/status/1729509919026549048?t=kgQGi-HcmvPBTdrNYxfhMQ&s=19 Represents a reduction in seats and premium capacity. Still ...
Jump to postSounds like a market ideal for a future EK service, now that QR has left the market. Those A350s can’t come soon enough. Hopefully there is a chance to see EK at PHL one day. What value would PHL bring to EK? They have no feed at PHL and a small local customer base that’s well served by AA’s new PH...
Jump to postYYZSpeedbird939 wrote:BA US Long-Haul Network, which is apparently the only place BA flies to according to A.Netter’s:
PHL (x2)
Do you have some examples of domestic markets? International O&D is pretty easily explained by leakage. Everyone who lives here knows someone who regularly uses EWR/JFK for international travel. It depends on the market(s) for comparison. In the northeast I tend to compare PHL to BOS, but that ...
Jump to postPHL's proximity to NYC/DC can partially explain the top line lower O&D numbers as NYC/DC are typically in the top 5 O&D destinations from every other major US city. But it doesn't explain smaller O&D in certain markets nor the international O&D Do you have some examples of domestic ...
Jump to postI'm afraid that the term "mega-hub" has taken on too many meanings on this forum. Some expect PHL to become a hub like nearby EWR is for UA. That probably won't happen. But this does not mean the PHL hub cannot be far bigger than what it is now. Instead of looking EWR, focus on UA's IAD h...
Jump to postno, to me it's very clear AA knows they can't duplicate the connecting hub they have at PHL at JFK. they serve way more destinations domestically and more mainline. they've even said this before. JFK will be used for destinations that have a lot of NYC local traffic (DEL, TLV, etc) but keep a lot o...
Jump to postWhat is going to get canceled if AA gets JFK-HND? I’m assuming just a LHR frequency? Maybe two, assuming HND takes 2 planes. JFK-DOH is ending at the end of the month. That puts a 77W back in play (2 actually, since that too requires 2 frames). Also, TLV is likely not going to operate for some time...
Jump to postNot surprising re: AA and JFK yet they've failed on JFK-Asia before. AA has seemingly implied they are moving on from the failed SEA TPAC attempt and they've already moved on from TPAC at ORD. AA on LAS-HND always seemed like a complete oddball. AA's international strategy that changes by the wind d...
Jump to postJust consider AA's 2024 NON-Partner hub TATL flying: - DFW-AMS - DFW-CDG - DFW-FCO - DFW-FRA - JFK-ATH - JFK-CDG - JFK-FCO - ORD-CDG - ORD-VCE - PHL-AMS - PHL-ATH - PHL-CDG - PHL-FCO - PHL-CPH - PHL-LIS - PHL-MXP - PHL-NAP - PHL-NCE - PHL-FRA - PHL-MUC - PHL-VCE - PHL-ZRH Do these AA routes support...
Jump to postLooks like spirit removed Philadelphia – Montego Bay Seasonally. Not terribly surprising given traffic to the Caribbean dips in Sep/Oct and Jan/Feb (at least from the PHL area where an early school break is atypical). Though something to watch because NK has a history of pushing back, pushing back ...
Jump to postPHL's proximity to NYC/DC can partially explain the top line lower O&D numbers as NYC/DC are typically in the top 5 O&D destinations from every other major US city. But it doesn't explain smaller O&D in certain markets nor the international O&D
Jump to postLikely ULCC's, just like MCO.
Though CLT-SJU is at 2x...no idea what it has been previously, but seems low. Add that Sept - mid November is not high season for the Caribbean.
AA120 JFK2050 – 1735+1DOH 77W D AA121 DOH0105 – 0810JFK 77W D The inbound to DOH would connect to the Indian bank but the return does not. Sounds like the AA DOH flight was high LF but low yield. You make a valid point though regarding UA & EK, it has a much better chance of surviving due to EK...
Jump to postThe PHL-FRA market pre/post Covid is mind boggling. In 1H of 2019, LH had a 76% LF. That includes the depths of winter (91% LF in June). They flew ~79,000 paxs roundtrip. Meanwhile, in 1H 2023, 4Y had a 60% LF only carrying ~41,000 paxs. PHL's post covid flying has lagged, but this route cratered an...
Jump to post...and Discover is back on FRA-PHL. At this point, I don't know why they bother. Discover is not the product for PHL, they are performing terribly.
Jump to postNot saying AA should move their DEL flight to PHL, but PHL (metro which includes S Jersey) actually has a large Indian population. Not as large as NYC but still fairly large. I think the main reason they won’t move it because AA still have good corporate contracts out of NYC which helps in the fron...
Jump to postJust the type of places people are connecting to in DOH, that traffic is originating in NYC, not PHL, so that is why this route doesn’t make any sense to me. Say that the AA PHL-DOH route goes away. Does just PHL lose the DOH route in general? Because that would be silly Yes I think PHL will lose t...
Jump to postAnyone know the load factors on each of the 2 QR JFK flights as well as AA. If I interpret the T100 data correctly, for 1H 2023: (data represents QR as a whole, not by flight) QR PHL-DOH (roundtrip) 87% AA JFK-DOH 86% QR JFK-DOH 75% QR and AA on JFK both had really high Jan/Feb and then came down, ...
Jump to postI don't think it can be understated how F9 has grown over the past 3 years and even well prior. Going from less than daily frequencies (daily in a few select markets) to multi-daily markets now to 3+ dailies with a ton of capacity at MCO. I think it is unfortunate that F9/NK pushed WN out of MCO for...
Jump to postI'm surprised PHL-LAS is ending early on F9. PHL-LAS local traffic was pretty much on par with 2019 in Q4 '22 and Q1 '23 with slightly higher fares. So I had the privilege of being on an internal zoom chat with Edgar Vesga, Director of Air Service Development and Cargo Services for the airport as pa...
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