RvA wrote:inkjet7 wrote:There might be a lot of politics involved in the making of this decision.
What‘s “a lot of politics“ mean?
It's the final 10 days for KLM 747 operations. Last flight will likely be KL894 arriving at Amsterdam Schiphol Airport at 17:40 on Sunday October 25. A very strange decision to phase out the best " temporally freighter" in the KLM fleet, just before the cargo peak season and during the se...Jump to post
I'm guessing this should apply to the older 777-200ERs, 737-800s, and A330s? Several of the A330's are owned by KLM. There's a rumour about leased 737-700's being returned when their contracts expire. Some of the E190's would stay longer than anticipated, rightsizing the fleet. No official statemen...Jump to post
Wondering if anyone has info regarding start of production on KLM Cityhopper's first E195-E2? Sources tell me that the E2 simulator has arrived at KLM's training facility in Amsterdam quite some while ago.. On Dutch aviation website scamble.nl (in the community praethuys KLM thread) user Nemaco sta...Jump to post
Now they have a handfull of 787s but there are still 15? 332 to replace at one point and AF was launch customer to the 77W so some are getting older. Over time the 350s will replace more 77Ws and certain routes might get reduced in capacity. It could be more 787s but there is a pilot pool for 330 f...Jump to post
I think that also Boeing staff delivers aircraft, at least at Airbus AFAIK not all Airlines pick their airplanes up with their own crews. So if KLM crews were not allowed to get there Boeing pilots could deliver the aircraft? It's not just the delivery flight itself. Extensive acceptance testing wo...Jump to post
And when they switched the 787-10 to 787-9, that made me more confused. Because the 787-9 does not suffer from the climate problem as much as the 787-10 does? Must be ideal for thinner routes. But the etihad uses 78710 just fine? Same climates no? But do they use it in the same way as their competi...Jump to post
I believe it was the 77W's ability to really carry a lot of belly cargo even with a full pax load made the difference. And its significant more now than ever!! The joke goes that 77W is essentially a cargo aircraft that also carries pax! Same goes for the 787... especially the -10 if your route is ...Jump to post
Boeing757100 wrote:And when they switched the 787-10 to 787-9, that made me more confused.
Also one of the KLM‘s was supposed to fly yesterday (Wednesday) but nothing happened. We have two sitting around so it could have been either BKH or BKI. Nothing else scheduled for the week is what I have heard. A little disappointing given the fact that we have so many aircraft here. Could it be t...Jump to post
What’s causing these repeated delays? I’ve heard it’s Covid-19 related for last 3 months in terms of getting BA pilots to Charleston to pick her up. Current US flights either have 2 crews onboard for a straight back return or crews overnight in an airport hotel “on-site” as such. Travelling to Char...Jump to post
I second that. Even on KL short haul flights I have more than once experienced that the only Dutch announcement was that the rest of announcements will be made in English. On KLM flights from Amsterdam to Paris passengers are welcomed in Dutch, French and English. The security announcements are in ...Jump to post
martlet76 wrote:It is interesting to see the cargo door placed aft of the wing
https://www.yuca.tv/en/air-france-klm/assemblee-generale-2020 (click on the Strategy section, about 53:50 in the video). Shareholder meeting AF/KLM. Some 787's and A350 will be delivered at later dates. KLM could phase out some of their A330's earlier than planned, depending on how traffic develops ...Jump to post
Why would an airline that is struggling to survive be spending money on a brand new airplane? Makes no sense. Part of ANY government assistance should include NO NEW AIRPLANES at all until the TAXPAYERS are made whole and 100% of the government assistance is paid in full! Some planes were already f...Jump to post
qf789 wrote:Overview of the CHS flightline including 3 789's for China Southern, 1 789 for China Eastern, 3 789's for Air Europa and 1 787-10 for both Singapore Airlines and British Airways
Doubtful, Air France and KLM rely on the 777-200ER as their main long haul plane, they don't have 50 767 or 30 A330 like their American cousin from Atlanta. AF is ditching their A380 and A340's. KLM's last 747's took early retirement too, so the 777's of any variant are now their main plane to far ...Jump to post
While the 767X would have a similar advantage over the 787, A330NEO and A350 it would be fairly light per square metre of cabin area. Only the 787-10 would be lighter per square metre of cabin area, not bad for a simple NEO. How would other widebodies fare in the 'weight per square meter cabin area...Jump to post
Actually, Delta buying almost 100 of them does make it a success. But my comment had nothing to do with this. I was mentioning that the entire Delta A220 fleet is NOT currently grounded. And this says a lot about the economics of this aircraft and whether it's a "maintenance dog" as was c...Jump to post
Geoff1947 wrote:Unfilled orders at the end of March now stand at 18, according to Boeing figures released yesterday ;
Aeroflot - 3
BOC - 3
KLM - 2
Novus ( for British ? ) - 4
Pakistan - 5
Unidentified - 1
I think the concern of governments should be to get the money back for the taxpayer and maybe make some money in the proces, while making AF/KL into a successful company that safeguards French and Dutch interests in the long term. Exactly. And all this complaining about the AF/KL holding as it is i...Jump to post
About political interference in KL and AF as a condition of the bailout, this is called democracy. Politicians do this to appease people asking for such things (or much more). Look at LHR and its third runway that is never going to get built... Personally I'm not opposed to the cuts in flights howe...Jump to post
Do we know on what these funds will be spent on? I remember reading that Austrian Airlines will receive €750 million from the government while €350 million will be used to refund tickets. Would be interesting to know what AF-KL plan on using these money for. Pay for fixed costs like planes and wage...Jump to post
Taxi645 wrote:How secure is the 777-200 position at KLM going forward?
Very curious how KLM will handle the 330s, particularly the -300. Given how few they have, and the desire to phase them out in a few years anyway, I wonder if they'll simply use 787s on those routes when they're able to reopen. Also a shame that the next few AF 350s will likely be delivered only to...Jump to post
Correct, they will get 35 195-E2, with 132 seats while they continue to phase out the 17 737-700 (142 seats). No further NB have been ordered. But, it has nothing to do with each other, because Pieter said so, once. Pre Corona, it did not make sense to replace planes with more than 132 seats with p...Jump to post
They will introduce 35x E195-E2 to start with, while retiring the 737-700 fleet. Interestingly 21 of those E2's are leased.
Do KLM plan on doing a flyover Amsterdam for the final flights? As I mentioned in the Delta MD thread: I know in business there isn't any place of sentiment, but it would be nice if they could hold onto 1 plane to do at least some sort of small send off when things calm down. Would be nice to do a ...Jump to post
Why does this 747 flight have two different flight numbers? KL735 / KL129 AMS - CUR KL735 is the flight number, KL129 is the call sign that's used communicating with ATC. Main purpose is to avoid similar sounding call signs in the same control area. For example, for many Years KL601 to LAX and KL60...Jump to post
Phosphorus wrote:With collapse in belly cargo capacity, is there a chance the Combis will get a reprieve, flying cargo alone?
FluidFlow wrote:Also France would only prop up AF but not KLM and vice versa.
I took pictures of it's arrival here and departure. I think KL will keep sending their 747's to Curacao until they have flown all passengers back to their families. Probably till the end of this month and wondering which aircraft type they will send to Curacao after that. Most likely the 787. A388 ...Jump to post
It would make sense for KLM. 5 more would mean all 747s get replaced by 777-300ERs, while the remaining 10 787-10 orders get to replace most of the A330s. Since KLM started phasing out their 747's, they already received four more 77W's. They have two more new ones on order. KLM had just seven full ...Jump to post
Jetty wrote:Not even only the entire AF fleet, KL’s fleet factors in as well: AF having it’s A380’s replaced by more A350’s allows KL’s fleet to grow as there’s an agreement with pilot unions about the widebody balance between the companies.
As much the A320neo would be a great aircraft for KLM, specially the A321XLR, getting cheap discounted 737-10MAXs would be much more profitable, they can increase capacity vs the 737-700s and the MAX would require less pilot training. Any routes the MAX 10 wouldnt have the range for vs the A321XLR ...Jump to post