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by inkjet7
Sun Sep 15, 2019 6:45 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 787-10 Missions in the transpacific market
Replies: 148
Views: 36051

Re: Boeing 787-10 Missions in the transpacific market

OmerMaz wrote:

United is going WILD with this bird!


Looks like KLM agrees.

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by inkjet7
Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 787 Trouble in the Future?
Replies: 82
Views: 18604

Re: 787 Trouble in the Future?

... Not mentioning all the options airlines have. The slots might fill up rapidly if they get close to their expiry dates..

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by inkjet7
Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus launching A220LR or XLR according to Jon Ostrower
Replies: 80
Views: 17674

Re: Airbus launching A220LR or XLR according to Jon Ostrower

Prost wrote:
Airbus has talked a lot about reducing their costs when building planes. Do these sub-types on the A220, A320-Neo/LR/XLR and A350 sub-types hinder these efforts?


Car makers can do many variations on a single production line. Maybe Airbus found a way to easily do variations.

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by inkjet7
Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:50 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Narrow Body Longhaul development thread
Replies: 117
Views: 11511

Re: Narrow Body Longhaul development thread

Suppose there is a 3600 NM route. For the same airline, would there be a significant price difference per seat if they operated that route using a 321XLR versus a 787-10?

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by inkjet7
Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Confirmed: KLM Orders/Leasing 2 x 777-300s and Converts 789s to 10s
Replies: 127
Views: 20983

Re: Confirmed: KLM Orders/Leasing 2 x 777-300s and Converts 789s to 10s

Thought I would share a quote from KLM director, Boet Kreiken, in the latest Airliner World publication. “We still have our A330s which are good aircraft, but we are moving into a full 777 and 787 intercontinental fleet.” He goes onto confirm that the 787-10 is the new flagship for the airline. We ...

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by inkjet7
Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Confirmed: KLM Orders/Leasing 2 x 777-300s and Converts 789s to 10s
Replies: 127
Views: 20983

Re: Confirmed: KLM Orders/Leasing 2 x 777-300s and Converts 789s to 10s

Momo1435 wrote:
There are only 3 full pax 747s to be replaced, these 2 extra 77Ws will cover that.


For the record: they had seven, five are left. And they received 4 new 77W's since the phase-out of the 747 started. 6 77W's can operate more flights than 7 744's due to different mx requirements.

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by inkjet7
Tue Sep 03, 2019 1:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Confirmed: KLM Orders/Leasing 2 x 777-300s and Converts 789s to 10s
Replies: 127
Views: 20983

Re: Confirmed: KLM Orders/Leasing 2 x 777-300s and Converts 789s to 10s

AF will receive one more 787-9, 28x A350-900, and are studying an order for 9 more A339/A359/789 sized aircraft to compensate for decommissioning their A380 fleet. Plenty of options to choose from. AF/KL had 25 orders and 35 options for A350 as well as 25 orders and 25 options for 787. So far, they...

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by inkjet7
Mon Sep 02, 2019 2:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 787 Production/Delivery Thread - 2019
Replies: 605
Views: 135817

Re: Boeing 787 Production/Delivery Thread - 2019

User 'Fiets' on forum.scramble.nl about planned KLM 787-10 delivery. Registrations in PH-BK% series:

BKC sep19
BKD oct19
BKF dec19
BKG feb20
BKH apr20
BKI may20
BKK sep20
BKL mar21
BKM apr21
BKO may21
BKP oct21
BKQ jan22
BKS feb22
BKU may22

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by inkjet7
Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Confirmed: KLM Orders/Leasing 2 x 777-300s and Converts 789s to 10s
Replies: 127
Views: 20983

Re: KLM Orders/Leasing 2 x 777-300s (unconfirmed) and Converts 789s to 10s (confirmed)

In related news, on of the political parties in our Parlement, wants slots to be awarded at Schiphol only for routes longer than 750km, so short-haul to be abandoned, people should take the train for this. This will free up slots for long haul routes, 90.000 of them. So this could be quite an inter...

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by inkjet7
Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Confirmed: KLM Orders/Leasing 2 x 777-300s and Converts 789s to 10s
Replies: 127
Views: 20983

Re: KLM Orders/Leasing 2 x 777-300s (unconfirmed) and Converts 789s to 10s (confirmed)

346fetish wrote:
Out of curiosity, does a -10 have the range for AMSLAX?

If you mean a 787-10 there is a different thread about this. This answer seems to be yes, if you go easy on heavy cargo.

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by inkjet7
Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Confirmed: KLM Orders/Leasing 2 x 777-300s and Converts 789s to 10s
Replies: 127
Views: 20983

Re: KLM Orders/Leasing 2 x 777-300s (unconfirmed) and Converts 789s to 10s (confirmed)

But it is now confirmed that KLM keeps buying old stuff for an airport that may not grow the number of flights because of noise.Very strange !! The 77W's will replace 747's. Any other plane in this size category would have entirely different delivery dates. Early retirement of the 747 means less CO...

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by inkjet7
Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:30 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777 Production/Delivery Thread 2019
Replies: 141
Views: 37743

Re: Boeing 777 Production/Delivery Thread 2019

Makes sense. KLM is currently phasing out their 747 fleet which included 7 'full pax' 744's. They added four 77W's since starting this replacement cycle and 14 787's, with 14 more Dreamliners on order. The two extra 77W's help to maintain capacity from a slot restricted Amsterdam airport.

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by inkjet7
Sun Sep 01, 2019 6:47 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Canada fined for not using French language
Replies: 147
Views: 18406

Re: Air Canada fined for not using French language

MareBorealis wrote:
I haven't heard much complaints but I wonder what would the French passengers say if they didn't get service in French on AF ;)


There are French and English announcements on KLM flights to Paris. Not that surprising really.

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by inkjet7
Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777 Production/Delivery Thread 2019
Replies: 141
Views: 37743

Re: Boeing 777 Production/Delivery Thread 2019

According a Dutch aviation forum, KLM ordered a last "top up" order for two 777-300ER aircraft, with future registrations PH-BVV and -BVW, to be delivered in November and December 2020. Source : Scramble - other Forums - 't Praethuys - KLM The same forum, user 'nemaco' now lists MSN 66888...

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by inkjet7
Sat Aug 17, 2019 5:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Heathrow-JFK is the world's only billion-dollar airline route.
Replies: 51
Views: 10577

Re: Heathrow-JFK is the world's only billion-dollar airline route.

UAEflyer wrote:
If BA’s most lucrative route is JFK, why the don’t operate their newest airplanes on it !!


Maybe because they are relatively short so fuel consumption is less important than on longer routes?

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by inkjet7
Sat Aug 17, 2019 4:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019
Replies: 3967
Views: 513882

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019 [OT]

cledaybuck wrote:
Do we need apple to bring back the ipod too? :D


iPod is still available.

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by inkjet7
Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 787 Production/Delivery Thread - 2019
Replies: 605
Views: 135817

Re: Boeing 787 Production/Delivery Thread - 2019

MileHFL400 wrote:
Guys quick update if someone has the time-

- anyone have a clue when KLMs second -10 will be delivered.

PH-BKC delivery is planned for the end of September.

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by inkjet7
Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Confirmed: KLM Orders/Leasing 2 x 777-300s and Converts 789s to 10s
Replies: 127
Views: 20983

Re: Rumour: KLM Orders 2 x 777-300s and Converts 789s to 10s

Announcement was at the same time at least as per the KL source above, just before the 1st delivery of the -10. Not saying your timeline isn’t true for the internal decisions ofc, that would make sense. https://www.klm.com/travel/nl_en/prepare_for_travel/on_board/our_aircraft/boeing_787_10.htm It s...

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by inkjet7
Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Confirmed: KLM Orders/Leasing 2 x 777-300s and Converts 789s to 10s
Replies: 127
Views: 20983

Re: Rumour: KLM Orders 2 x 777-300s and Converts 789s to 10s

It seems likely all those changes were part of the same deal that predates the first delivery. The AFKL group made this purchase, all other planes KL bought/leased themselves. KLM only talked to Boeing about the last six after the internal AF/KL swap of A350's and B787's was finalised. AF had no pl...

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by inkjet7
Wed Aug 07, 2019 3:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Confirmed: KLM Orders/Leasing 2 x 777-300s and Converts 789s to 10s
Replies: 127
Views: 20983

Re: Rumour: KLM Orders 2 x 777-300s and Converts 789s to 10s

It seems likely all those changes were part of the same deal that predates the first delivery. The AFKL group made this purchase, all other planes KL bought/leased themselves. KLM only talked to Boeing about the last six after the internal AF/KL swap of A350's and B787's was finalised. AF had no pl...

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by inkjet7
Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Confirmed: KLM Orders/Leasing 2 x 777-300s and Converts 789s to 10s
Replies: 127
Views: 20983

Re: Rumour: KLM Orders 2 x 777-300s and Converts 789s to 10s

IWMBH wrote:

Where did you read they're getting earlier delivery slots?

The same posting on scramble that mentioned the up-gauging of the six 787-9's that would have gone to AF, if they wouldn't have been swapped with the A350's that would have gone to KLM.

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by inkjet7
Tue Aug 06, 2019 7:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Confirmed: KLM Orders/Leasing 2 x 777-300s and Converts 789s to 10s
Replies: 127
Views: 20983

Re: KLM Orders/Leasing 2 x 777-300s (unconfirmed) and Converts 789s to 10s (confirmed)

marcogr12 wrote:
So when will KLM retire the last 744s?

Two in 2019, six in 2020. The last two around May 1st. 2021.

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by inkjet7
Tue Aug 06, 2019 7:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Confirmed: KLM Orders/Leasing 2 x 777-300s and Converts 789s to 10s
Replies: 127
Views: 20983

Re: Rumour: KLM Orders 2 x 777-300s and Converts 789s to 10s

The swap to 10's predates the first delivery (and thus complaints). KL has indicated that they are worried about future deliveries of the -10. However they swapped another six -9's to -10's recently. And they got earlier delivery slots (and two 77W's). So it looks like something was worked out betw...

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by inkjet7
Tue Aug 06, 2019 6:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Confirmed: KLM Orders/Leasing 2 x 777-300s and Converts 789s to 10s
Replies: 127
Views: 20983

Re: KLM Orders 2 x 777-300s and Converts 789s to 10s

tvh wrote:
I don't like that they to buy old technology, when they could have bought more quiet planes.


777X's wouldn't have been available in 2020. So rather than use the last 747's longer they chose the latest technology that flies 400+ pax.

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by inkjet7
Tue Aug 06, 2019 2:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Confirmed: KLM Orders/Leasing 2 x 777-300s and Converts 789s to 10s
Replies: 127
Views: 20983

Re: KLM Orders 2 x 777-300s and Converts 789s to 10s

CHRISBA35X wrote:
I'm flying to JFK next month and my outbound has been changed from 747-400 to 787-9 which i'm not happy about. I wonder if it will be changed again to a 787-10?


KLM uses A330's, B747's, B789's and B777's on the JFK route so yes, there is a chance it will change again.

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by inkjet7
Fri Aug 02, 2019 1:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AF signs MOU for 60 A220 plus 30 options and 30 purchase rights, A380's to be retired by 2022
Replies: 559
Views: 96985

Re: AF signs MOU for 60 A220 plus 30 options and 30 purchase rights, A380's to be retired by 2022

KLM is currently replacing their remaining 747's. Capacity wise the 77W's replace 744's so they are greener than the frames they replace.

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by inkjet7
Fri Aug 02, 2019 11:01 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AF signs MOU for 60 A220 plus 30 options and 30 purchase rights, A380's to be retired by 2022
Replies: 559
Views: 96985

Re: AF signs MOU for 60 A220 plus 30 options and 30 purchase rights, A380's to be retired by 2022

If they are going to order 787 or A350s to replace the A380s why not go for the bigger versions of 787-10 and/or A350-1000 instead of the smaller 787-9/A359s? AF complained about the price of the A350-1000 recently. Negotiations ongoing it would seem. We know KL is talking to Boeing about up-gaugin...

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by inkjet7
Fri Aug 02, 2019 9:56 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AF signs MOU for 60 A220 plus 30 options and 30 purchase rights, A380's to be retired by 2022
Replies: 559
Views: 96985

Re: AF signs MOU for 60 A220 plus 30 options and 30 purchase rights, A380's to be retired by 2022

As AF/KL has 25 options on the 787 and 35 on the A350 from the 2011 deal does this mean they are negotiating the terms ons those?

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by inkjet7
Thu Aug 01, 2019 6:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AF signs MOU for 60 A220 plus 30 options and 30 purchase rights, A380's to be retired by 2022
Replies: 559
Views: 96985

Re: AF signs MOU for 60 A220 plus 30 options and 30 purchase rights, A380's to be retired by 2022

Chief executive Ben Smith said during a results briefing today that the group was in "advanced" talks with Airbus about ordering A330-900s or A350-900s and with Boeing about a possible deal for 787-9s as replacements for the double-deck type. I don't get this really as in September 2011 A...

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by inkjet7
Tue Jul 30, 2019 7:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AF signs MOU for 60 A220 plus 30 options and 30 purchase rights, A380's to be retired by 2022
Replies: 559
Views: 96985

Re: AF signs MOU for 60 A220 plus 30 options and 30 purchase rights, A380's to be retired by 2022

fcogafa wrote:
Air France will not have ordered the A319 Neo, the old A319ceo would have had a bigger benefit. Even AF will have learned of the A318 "disaster."[/unquote]

With the A319CEO no longer available, what other 150 seaters are there?


An E195 E2 seats a little less.

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by inkjet7
Tue Jul 30, 2019 6:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019
Replies: 3967
Views: 513882

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019

A B737MAX is flying today! Today Saturday 27 July, TUI Netherlands is ferrying a stranded B737MAX from Sofia back to base in Amsterdam. Thank you for the heads up. I saw it gliding through the sky this afternoon. Apparently the entire flight was done at 20,000 feet and 300 knots. Flaps 1 to keep MC...

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by inkjet7
Tue Jul 30, 2019 6:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AF signs MOU for 60 A220 plus 30 options and 30 purchase rights, A380's to be retired by 2022
Replies: 559
Views: 96985

Re: AF to order A220, replace A380 with 787 or A350?

edu2703 wrote:
So, AF orders A220-300 while KLM orders E195-E2.

That's interesting


Maybe AF will get E2's for their HOP! subsidiary. Possibly KL could get A223's to replace their 737-700's :-)
It's called horses for courses.

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by inkjet7
Tue Jul 30, 2019 6:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AF signs MOU for 60 A220 plus 30 options and 30 purchase rights, A380's to be retired by 2022
Replies: 559
Views: 96985

Re: AF to order A220, replace A380 with 787 or A350?

aemoreira1981 wrote:
They would need to acquire or lease a slot pair at JFK to keep that capacity.

Or sell tickets for a 777-9 at a higher average price.

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by inkjet7
Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:49 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Could KLM have the 3 variants of Boeing 787?
Replies: 18
Views: 3056

Re: Could KLM have the 3 variants of Boeing 787?

marcelh wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
Could they? Yes. Will they? Probably not as AMS is already constrained and it only makes sense to up-gauge fleet replacements. Expect more 789s and 78X

The constrainment is temporary.


If (!) they get a few more slots it will be slot constrained again very soon after.

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by inkjet7
Wed Jul 24, 2019 5:05 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Could KLM have the 3 variants of Boeing 787?
Replies: 18
Views: 3056

Re: Could KLM have the 3 variants of Boeing 787?

Most of their A332 routes aren't very long so they might even go for a mix of 787-9's and 787-10's there.
At the moment there are ten 747's to replace and there are 14 more 787's on order.

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by inkjet7
Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AF signs MOU for 60 A220 plus 30 options and 30 purchase rights, A380's to be retired by 2022
Replies: 559
Views: 96985

Re: AF to order A220, replace A380?

JannEejit wrote:
View slot availablity and congestion at AMS in mind, maybe KLM should take on the AF A380 fleet ?


I don't think so! 777X maybe but the A380 is on it's way out at AF/KLM.

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by inkjet7
Tue Jul 16, 2019 5:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AF signs MOU for 60 A220 plus 30 options and 30 purchase rights, A380's to be retired by 2022
Replies: 559
Views: 96985

Re: AF to order A220, replace A380 with 787 or A350?

1) a business that carries passengers for money. 2) a maintenance and repair organisation. Suppose an airline operates a number planes of a certain type and it costs them x per plane to maintain them. Then they find if they also maintain several of the same type for other airlines it only costs the...

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by inkjet7
Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:55 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM virtual look inside 787-10
Replies: 33
Views: 5014

Re: KLM virtual look inside 787-10

seemyseems wrote:
Correct me if I’m wrong, I’m sure I read that KLM was planning on using a new style WBC seat on the 78J. Or am I not looking close enough?


They are a different brand from those in the 787-9's but they look very similar.

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by inkjet7
Sat Jul 13, 2019 6:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AF signs MOU for 60 A220 plus 30 options and 30 purchase rights, A380's to be retired by 2022
Replies: 559
Views: 96985

Re: AF to order A220, replace A380?

A For the A380 replacement either A351s or B779s would be ordered and my money would be on the A351 MTOW version. AF loves their 777's. They have 70 of them (including the freighters). For fleet commonality a large 777 order would not surprise me at all. KL's home base is slot restricted and even i...

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by inkjet7
Sat Jul 13, 2019 6:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AF signs MOU for 60 A220 plus 30 options and 30 purchase rights, A380's to be retired by 2022
Replies: 559
Views: 96985

Re: AF to order A220

VV wrote:
So KLM signed an LoI for E2 and AFR would order A220.

That's interesting.


But on the other hand KL(-C) has pilots holding type ratings for 49 Embraers. And, considering the fact that not very many E2's have been sold, they can't have been very expensive.

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by inkjet7
Sat Jul 13, 2019 1:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AF signs MOU for 60 A220 plus 30 options and 30 purchase rights, A380's to be retired by 2022
Replies: 559
Views: 96985

Re: AF to order A220

One more 787 going to AF anyway, #10. Maybe the next 787's will come out of the 25 options AF/KL has.

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by inkjet7
Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Future operators of Boeing 787-10 Dreamliner
Replies: 90
Views: 15518

Re: Future operators of Boeing 787-10 Dreamliner

EddieDude wrote:
Which is why I started my post with "If MEX were not so high above the sea level...".

Oops must have missed that, sorry!

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by inkjet7
Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Future operators of Boeing 787-10 Dreamliner
Replies: 90
Views: 15518

Re: Future operators of Boeing 787-10 Dreamliner

If MEX were not so high above the sea level, AM would be a natural candidate. I could see the 78X flying from MEX to MAD, EZE, GRU pretty much all year long, plus the current daily 787 rotation to JFK. During summer, it would likely get nicely filled to AMS and CDG too. MEX - AMS is about 5000 naut...

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by inkjet7
Sun Jul 07, 2019 7:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 747 X cabin with
Replies: 2
Views: 1281

Re: 747 X cabin with

it narrows quite a bit at the front. So much so that you can look straight ahead through some of the cabin windows as the sides curve inward.

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by inkjet7
Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KL 744 phase out discussion thread
Replies: 612
Views: 210762

Re: KL 744 phase out discussion thread

Maybe because in 2020 it will be KLM101?

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by inkjet7
Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM and Air France swaps wide body orders
Replies: 50
Views: 14737

Re: KLM and Air France swaps wide body orders

The A350 is the proper replacement but KLM love themselves some GE, so without that being an option on the A350 it's possible we could see the 777X to replace the 777Ws. 777Es would have to be additional 787-9/10s if they don't go A350 as the 777-8 wouldn't make any sense. The A350 might be a repla...

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by inkjet7
Mon Jul 01, 2019 4:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: G-XWBA - First A350 for British Airways
Replies: 113
Views: 27708

Re: G-XWBA - First A350 for British Airways

LHR01 wrote:
BA have selected the following A350 routes. Toronto, Dubai, Bangalore and Tel Aviv


Not really long (long) haul routes are they? Is that just in the beginning for crew training purposes?

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by inkjet7
Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:53 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM and Air France swaps wide body orders
Replies: 50
Views: 14737

Re: KLM and Air France swaps wide body orders

VSMUT wrote:
Air France-KLM combined only has 40 777-200ERs, so it won't just cover many of them, it will cover them all and then some! Points to A350-1000s in the future.


By the time they need to replace their 77W's.

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by inkjet7
Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:54 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM and Air France swaps wide body orders
Replies: 50
Views: 14737

Re: KLM and Air France swaps wide body orders

What, phased out early? Disagree. More 787s will, like the A350 for KLM, come at some point - just later. Like the A350, the group has many options for that type too. PH-BKA, KL's 14th 787, will only be their #5 from the AF/KL order of 25 (and 25 options). The other 9 are leased so even more option...

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by inkjet7
Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:07 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM and Air France swaps wide body orders
Replies: 50
Views: 14737

Re: KLM and Air France swaps wide body orders

Jetty wrote:

Unreported is that KL recently ordered an extra 787-10 so it recieves the same amount of 787’s as previously planned A350’s.


During #PAS19 they agreed to lease another 787-10 from ALC, for delivery H1 2021. On May 1, 2021 the last two 747's will be phased out.

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