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That didn't take long at all! I feel like DL has served this route before?
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lavalampluva wrote:
SteveXC500 wrote:
Delta response to SY starting MSP-SRQ

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... es-in-w19/

That didn’t take long.


That didn't take long at all! I feel like DL has served this route before?

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by rainaviation2
Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019
Replies: 758
Views: 90553

Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) - 2019

Sun Country is pulling out of PVD without even finishing out the winter season. The airline said they are moving the PVD aircraft to more profitable winter routes. Here is the full article: https://www.providencejournal.com/news/20190907/sun-country-airlines-cancels-tf-green-service They end service...

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by rainaviation2
Thu Aug 29, 2019 2:36 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 186
Views: 21947

Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Country is doing a fair share of NCAA Football flights again this fall. Also if no one knew N716SY has left the fleet, week ago. N710 & 711SY leave this fall. and N713Sy is getting a VIP interior. No word on HV winter birds. I know SY is getting some more planes this fall( new to them), but...

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by rainaviation2
Thu Aug 29, 2019 2:32 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 186
Views: 21947

Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

https://thriftytraveler.com/alaska-airl ... o-in-2020/


Not surprised... I flew this multiple times and it was never a very high load. DL gets the business traffic on this route and SY picks up the leisure travelers.
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SteveXC500 wrote:


Not surprised... I flew this multiple times and it was never a very high load. DL gets the business traffic on this route and SY picks up the leisure travelers.

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by rainaviation2
Thu Aug 29, 2019 2:30 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Error, or is Sun Country beginning ATL-MSP/TPA?
Replies: 6
Views: 1298

Error, or is Sun Country beginning ATL-MSP/TPA?

Not sure if this is an error, but right now the Sun Country booking engine has ATL as a route option to both MSP and TPA. Usually the airline announces on Tuesdays or Wednesdays, but could this be a possible addition?

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by rainaviation2
Tue Aug 27, 2019 9:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Sun Country might IPO in 2020
Replies: 3
Views: 696

Sun Country CEO: We would like to go public in April

In a recent interview, Jude Bricker (CEO of Sun Country Airlines) said the airline would like to go public by April. The airline plans to file for an IPO as soon as April 2020 as the company and AGM see an opportunity with the current state of the airline. In the first quarter this year, the airline...

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by rainaviation2
Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:56 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 186
Views: 21947

Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Hasn't there been some up gauging on the Canadian routes? I feel like a bunch that had CR9's and E175's now have A319 service. I could easily be wrong though as I'm working off of memory. I think you are correct.... I know for a fact that YWG has seen larger planes in the past year. Not sure about ...

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by rainaviation2
Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:39 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 186
Views: 21947

Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

I have compiled updated numbers for MSP's international traffic in 2018... Rank/Airport/Passengers in 2018/Comments 1 Amsterdam, Netherlands 533,796 Up by about 10,000, good to see! 2 Cancún, Mexico 288,280 Down by more than 12,000, probably due to SY focusing on other markets more 3 Toronto–Pearso...

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by rainaviation2
Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 186
Views: 21947

Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

I have compiled updated numbers for MSP's international traffic in 2018... Rank/Airport/Passengers in 2018/Comments 1 Amsterdam, Netherlands 533,796 Up by about 10,000, good to see! 2 Cancún, Mexico 288,280 Down by more than 12,000, probably due to SY focusing on other markets more 3 Toronto–Pearson...

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by rainaviation2
Mon Jun 17, 2019 2:15 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: New Sun Country Website
Replies: 4
Views: 1412

Re: New Sun Country Website

I am traveling MSP-LAX on SY this Wednesday... I just got an email stating they are transferring ALL of their systems over starting tonight. Website modifications to baggage and online check in is not available from the 17th to the 19th which must mean their website will be up by Wednesday! I also m...

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by rainaviation2
Sun Jun 02, 2019 3:13 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: New Sun Country Website
Replies: 4
Views: 1412

New Sun Country Website

Does anyone have information on when Sun Country is launching their new website and basically whole new IT systems? I know it is happening this month and they have already started some preparations, but when is the exact date? I wonder if they released their schedule all the way out to April 2020 so...

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by rainaviation2
Sun May 26, 2019 8:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 5/26/2019:AA Exits CLT-GDL,PHL-EYW/SRQ/MLB to daily;AV Exits MIA-SAL;SY Extension;UA Tweaks
Replies: 98
Views: 13803

Re: OAG Changes 5/26/2019:AA Exits CLT-GDL,PHL-EYW/SRQ/MLB to daily;AV Exits MIA-SAL;SY Extension;UA Tweaks

I’m wondering with all this expansion/extension from SY if they’re receiving more aircrafts this year. Regardless glad to see them doing well overall Adding 6 aircraft and removing 3 this year. https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/analysis-sun-country-shifts-to-fleet-ownership-in-c-454367/ Th...

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by rainaviation2
Tue May 21, 2019 10:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Wisconsin Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 54
Views: 6459

Re: Wisconsin Aviation Thread - 2019

Good to see... SY will continue service from MSN this winter with twice weekly service to RSW and TPA. They released their winter schedule out to April today.

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by rainaviation2
Fri May 10, 2019 10:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The mix-up between Global Aviation Services LLC and Global Aviation Services Inc.
Replies: 5
Views: 907

Re: The mix-up between Global Aviation Services LLC and Global Aviation Services Inc.

Was going to post on this but I forgot, thanks for starting this thread. The whole thing seems suspicious, but not as suspicious as it seems at first once you read into it. Yeah, no problem! It ALL seems suspicious to me as well, and very unfortunate for Global Aviation Services of Eagan. I feel ba...

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by rainaviation2
Thu May 09, 2019 3:06 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The mix-up between Global Aviation Services LLC and Global Aviation Services Inc.
Replies: 5
Views: 907

The mix-up between Global Aviation Services LLC and Global Aviation Services Inc.

I love a good old tale of two companies sharing the same name, and having everything possible go wrong. In the StarTribune today, there was an article titled "How one Global Aviation got into a fight with Sun Country and an Eagan company paid a price." Link here: http://www.startribune.com...

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by rainaviation2
Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:59 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Allegiant Air to Mexico
Replies: 53
Views: 8160

Re: Allegiant Air to Mexico

United has 30" in Y, so it may not be better per se, maybe equal is a better way to put it. But when someone reclines their seat into your face, it's definitely less room. I'll take G4 over a AA/UA/DL 737 for anything less than 4 hours any day. Remember... this is G4 we’re talking about. You c...

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by rainaviation2
Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:57 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: B737Max: Affected Travel Plans?
Replies: 4
Views: 1213

Re: B737Max: Affected Travel Plans?

I was booked for SNA-PHX-MSP in June. Long story short, I got a phone call from Southwest and they canceled my PHX-MSP flight b/c it was on a MAX. I could change my flight to any day, from any LA airport as long as there was room on the plane. So, I used the opportunity to choose a way better timed ...

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by rainaviation2
Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 438
Views: 53546

Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Nice to see that SY arrived in PHL with the new tide pod livery!

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by rainaviation2
Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:06 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: U.S. Airline F/A Bases
Replies: 24
Views: 4316

Re: U.S. Airline F/A Bases

SY has flight attendants in LAS, DFW, GPT and IFP as well.

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by rainaviation2
Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 186
Views: 21947

Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

According to https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/283880/delta-w19-long-haul-changes-as-of-14apr19/ DL is upgrading their MSP-ICN service to an A350 starting October 27, 2019. I saw that this morning! Great news for the MSP aviation market. Is this the aircraft that DL had planned to u...

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by rainaviation2
Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:32 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 186
Views: 21947

Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

While both DL and NK will still be serving ATL nonstop from MSP after WN discontinues MSP-ATL nonstop service, SY could add MSP-ATL nonstop service. Will SY ever add nonstop service to ATL from MSP? I think that SY *could* start this route, but it does not fit the SY model very closely. There is no...

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by rainaviation2
Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:30 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 186
Views: 21947

Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

usflyer msp wrote:
Lots of ORD diversions today. AI, NH, and MU 77W's on the ground plus a UA 753.


Well, if I would have known that I would have gone plane spotting today! Anyone have pictures of these at MSP?

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by rainaviation2
Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Sun Country Announces 6 New Routes
Replies: 45
Views: 8932

Re: Sun Country Announces 6 New Routes

BNA-PVD was bumped up from 3x to 4x weekly in SEP & OCT as well. Stays 4x in summer peak and 5x for NOV & DEC. SY will also keep a plane overnight in PVD with this schedule. A quick fake booking reveals that SY647 arrives in PVD at nearly midnight, and then SY646 leaves PVD for BNA at 8:00 ...

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by rainaviation2
Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:28 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 1154
Views: 139094

Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Oh and the flight is at night so few to 0 connections I still fail to see why anyone would take them to MSP when DL is only 10 dollars more on most days... I mean, I would take them for fun since I'm an Avgeek but a handful of plane enthusiasts aren't going to fill a 738 Because for many people in ...

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by rainaviation2
Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:07 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Sun Country Announces 6 New Routes
Replies: 45
Views: 8932

Re: Sun Country Announces 6 New Routes

On the upside they must have more 737-800 coming to the fleet. I have not heard much other then the 3 joining the fleet this month & next. I'll have to hit up my SY friends to see what's coming. Yes, they are getting some from FlyDubai (those aircraft are already lined up). I do not know where ...

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by rainaviation2
Mon Apr 08, 2019 4:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Sun Country Announces 6 New Routes
Replies: 45
Views: 8932

Re: Sun Country Announces 6 New Routes

Today, Sun Country Airlines continued their 2019 expansions with the announcement of 6 new routes... From Redmond (RDM) Nonstop service to McCarran International Airport (LAS) with connections to Dallas-Ft. Worth, Minneapolis and Providence. Service starts September 5, 2019 Operates 2x/week with ro...

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by rainaviation2
Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Sun Country Announces 6 New Routes
Replies: 45
Views: 8932

Re: Sun Country Announces 6 New Routes

Interesting adds. I would have thought PDX-MSY would have happened first. RDM to LAS is a good add. There was rumor Allegiant was looking at re-adding that route. The less than daily schedules sure allow them to add more routes and maximize fleet utilization. I agree, however they seem to be expand...

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by rainaviation2
Mon Apr 08, 2019 2:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Sun Country Announces 6 New Routes
Replies: 45
Views: 8932

Sun Country Announces 6 New Routes

Today, Sun Country Airlines continued their 2019 expansions with the announcement of 6 new routes... From Redmond (RDM) Nonstop service to McCarran International Airport (LAS) with connections to Dallas-Ft. Worth, Minneapolis and Providence. Service starts September 5, 2019 Operates 2x/week with rou...

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by rainaviation2
Sat Apr 06, 2019 1:26 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Sliding Aisle Seat?
Replies: 8
Views: 1296

Re: Sliding Aisle Seat?

One more reason not to fly Spirit if they are indeed the carrier who is going to use the seats! :)

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by rainaviation2
Fri Apr 05, 2019 11:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: SY has Three 737s at HRL today?
Replies: 11
Views: 2482

Re: SY has Three 737s at HRL today?

Flew round trip to HRL on SY two weeks ago for a vacation. Great experience and the plane was full both ways minus an empty seat or two in the "best" seats up front on the return trip to MSP. Several sun burned college kids on that return trip but also lots of families and seniors. We wer...

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by rainaviation2
Fri Apr 05, 2019 11:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Dual jet bridge boarding
Replies: 51
Views: 8384

Re: Dual jet bridge boarding

That has to be a tight space then if it is on the upper level. I always assumed passengers were directed downstairs from the secure hallway. But I haven't been on the G concourse in many years so maybe the space is bigger than I thought on the upper level. It gets tight when you have 3 widebody Int...

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by rainaviation2
Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:50 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: SY has Three 737s at HRL today?
Replies: 11
Views: 2482

Re: SY has Three 737s at HRL today?

I'm amazed there's not been one SY rescue flight joke/jab yet. I'm not starting it either. But 4 SY planes at HRL thru the day? Do they actually have slack right now? More and more recently I have noticed SY keeps a few planes at MSP for a few days at a time. They are sorta "in between" p...

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by rainaviation2
Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 1154
Views: 139094

Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

Well, I will thank you! I was looking at a jaunt up to Alaska for some fishing this summer. AS was $924 without any checked bags. SY was $699 WITH premium seating and checked bag. That is a HUGE difference. The times are not the best, but for $255/person, and a family of 4, I will save $1,020+ any ...

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by rainaviation2
Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 1154
Views: 139094

Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

I think PDX is a good pick up for them over summer. I wasn't sure they would pick up a route that long but with AS dropping it (even with good loads) and with WN getting the loads they do, I think that was an easy one to pick up. They did make a misstep not opening up connections thru MSP/PDX until...

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by rainaviation2
Wed Apr 03, 2019 12:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 1154
Views: 139094

Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2019

SY has many many many routes and destinations that are served at VERY low frequency and odd times. Take STS-LAS for example, there is not even a true "round-trip" flight on that route. The planes do MSP-STS-LAS on Thursday and MSP-LAS-STS on Sunday! This is the SY business model, take a sl...

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by rainaviation2
Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: SY has Three 737s at HRL today?
Replies: 11
Views: 2482

SY has Three 737s at HRL today?

For such a small airport, that’s a lot of Sun Country jets!

At HRL today, there is N824, N825 and PH-HXC. Does anyone know why so many planes? Seems like the N825 is a rescue plane for PH-HXC.

No matter what’s going on here, seems like SY is taking over the HRL airport!

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by rainaviation2
Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 3/31/3019:AV Pulls More Routes;DL Drops SLC-ELP;G4 Adds Intl?;UA Bulks Up 2nd Tier SFO Transcons
Replies: 97
Views: 14114

Re: OAG Changes 3/31/3019:AV Pulls More Routes;DL Drops SLC-ELP;G4 Adds Intl?;UA Bulks Up 2nd Tier SFO Transcons

I'm curious as well. I think it's unfortunate that DL can't support more than the ATL flights out of ELP. I fly DL into ELP twice a year and I was looking forward to another option as far as the routing goes. I think they also tried MEM after the merger with NW, but that didn't last very long. DL M...

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by rainaviation2
Wed Mar 27, 2019 10:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Sun Country Suing Global Aviation Services
Replies: 16
Views: 2433

Re: Sun Country Suing Global Aviation Services

Unless there was something specific in the contract that was violated, then it is just an arbitrary performance issue, IMHO. Unsure of how SY can come up with a specific amount for damages, but no different than somebody suing McD for $5MM because their coffee was too hot. The StarTribune article a...

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by rainaviation2
Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:23 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Sun Country Suing Global Aviation Services
Replies: 16
Views: 2433

Re: Sun Country Suing Global Aviation Services

In the meantime, SY tries to slap new paint on the same airplanes in hope that the public will be smitten by the shiny objects and conveniently forget that their hometown little-guy airline has gone to shit. I'm still waiting for my cheeseburgers, guys. THAT's the SY period that I want back.... and...

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by rainaviation2
Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Sun Country Suing Global Aviation Services
Replies: 16
Views: 2433

Sun Country Suing Global Aviation Services

Well: Sun Country is suing Global Aviation Services! The company contracted to run Terminal 2 at their HQ in MSP back in March of 2018 and until September of 2018. The airline says that GAS is responsible for "a slew of flight delays, lost baggage and a 600-percent spike in customer complaints....

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by rainaviation2
Thu Mar 21, 2019 2:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 186
Views: 21947

Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Where exactly are they going to be expanding G? And yes, that area is rediculously crowded particularly since they love to park 739/A321/757s at those gates. They are expanding the concourse towards the East. I am not sure if they are still on the 2035 LTCP, but these are the latest renderings I co...

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by rainaviation2
Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 186
Views: 21947

Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Where exactly are they going to be expanding G? And yes, that area is rediculously crowded particularly since they love to park 739/A321/757s at those gates. They are expanding the concourse towards the East. I am not sure if they are still on the 2035 LTCP, but these are the latest renderings I co...

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by rainaviation2
Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 186
Views: 21947

Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Looks like a new land transportation company operating between MSP and Duluth/Mankato. Interesting is that supposedly you'll be able to select those two cities as a destination on the airline booking system. First partner a LCC. Any guesses? Thinking SY or F9. https://www.wdio.com/news/landline-bus...

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by rainaviation2
Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why no LH or BA in MSP
Replies: 96
Views: 9654

Re: Why no LH or BA in MSP

More connecting opportunities in Europe VIA LHR on BA. DL already takes care of that via AMS. I imagine that BA relies more heavily on Europe point of sale and I don't think there are that many Europeans wanting to travel to Minneapolis. Likewise for LH and Germany. Usually these secondary cities r...

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by rainaviation2
Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why no LH or BA in MSP
Replies: 96
Views: 9654

Re: Why no LH or BA in MSP

Only a tiny percentage of business travelers fly in paid F and that is probably mostly concentrated in places like New York and LA and to a lesser degree Chicago, Miami, San Francisco and DC. Not that many are even allowed to book in J anymore. Perhaps. BA seems content letting Delta/Skyteam carry ...

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by rainaviation2
Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why no LH or BA in MSP
Replies: 96
Views: 9654

Re: Why no LH or BA in MSP

bagoldex wrote:
NateGreat wrote:
Delta serves LHR from MSP daily on the 767.


So if Delta can only justify a single daily 767 with both local traffic and hub feed, why would anyone think that BA could make this route work?


More connecting opportunities in Europe VIA LHR on BA.

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by rainaviation2
Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why no LH or BA in MSP
Replies: 96
Views: 9654

Re: Why no LH or BA in MSP

Population alone doesn't equate with demand. Phoenix and San Francisco are similarly sized metro areas yet one offers dozens of intercontinental flights each day while the other can only make one work year round. MSP can support both of them. I think MSP is the largest airport right now with no ser...

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by rainaviation2
Sun Mar 10, 2019 9:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 186
Views: 21947

Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

There is a retractable wall that comes down and partitions off A and B into the T2 FIS when needed. T2 does not have its own separate international baggage claim before customs - so that is how MSP handles it. This what is looks like with he wall down... https://fastly.4sqi.net/img/general/width960...

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by rainaviation2
Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Sun Country admits Cost-Cutting is hurting the airline
Replies: 41
Views: 6314

Re: Sun Country admits Cost-Cutting is hurting the airline

Even though the article title is actually, "Hurting customer service." that to me is hurting the airline. Your job at an airline is to get butts in the seats and if people perceive your airline as poorly run, they will take their business elsewhere. SY had a loyal following of MSP flyers ...

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by rainaviation2
Sun Mar 10, 2019 2:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 186
Views: 21947

Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Does anybody know why Sun Country only uses baggage claim D at Terminal 2? There are four baggage claim belts there at T2 and I have only ever seen C (used by WN) and D (SY) used. I have always wondered this! Sorry if it is a stupid question, I am not fully aware of how baggage claim leasing works!...

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