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by avtcle
Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 966
Views: 119463

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

But American went for CVG-PHX instead... a market that is now so oversatured its unreal. No midsize airport needs 3 LCCs (Southwest, Frontier and Allegiant [AZA] ) and 2 legacy carriers (Delta and American) serving a single airport with limited demand — especially Phoenix. One or two is bound to fai...

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by avtcle
Thu Aug 15, 2019 6:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 966
Views: 119463

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

WN schedule extension is a net zero through March 6. CLE loses once a week to DAL and gains once a week to FLL. I'm sure those once a week routes are hard to be profitable. Plus, the times weren't optimal, really. I'd use the flight for certain if it was daily or better timed. AA's non basic econom...

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by avtcle
Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:07 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 966
Views: 119463

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Either someone added it prematurely or someone screwed up.

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by avtcle
Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 966
Views: 119463

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Interesting little development... Cleveland Hopkins’ website just added Delta as a seasonal carrier to Cancun. Do they know something we don’t? https://www.clevelandairport.com/cancun Would not surprise me , they already do a bunch of CUN routes out of all the other nearby cities IND,PIT,CMH Leads ...

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by avtcle
Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 966
Views: 119463

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

https://www.clevelandairport.com/cancun
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Interesting little development...

Cleveland Hopkins’ website just added Delta as a seasonal carrier to Cancun. Do they know something we don’t?

https://www.clevelandairport.com/cancun

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by avtcle
Mon Aug 12, 2019 7:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 966
Views: 119463

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2018/03 ... utType=amp
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Trk1 wrote:
What official has indicated they are looking to give D a new life


https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2018/03 ... utType=amp

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by avtcle
Mon Aug 12, 2019 6:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 966
Views: 119463

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

It’s really not so much the gates as it is the facility itself. It was never designed to handle the amount of O&D traffic that it is today. The reason the airport is looking to give the D Concourse a new life is to decongest other parts of the airport which won’t only extend the life of the faci...

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by avtcle
Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 966
Views: 119463

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Domestic Load factors through 2019-04 are out and here they are: Keep in mind that April is a very odd month for Florida travel. There was A LOT of capacity from a lot of airlines heading to Florida in April as the spring break demand wore off. Frontier Airlines: CLE-SRQ: 80% (Allegiant entered the ...

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by avtcle
Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:01 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 966
Views: 119463

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

UA2561, a Boeing 767-400 inbound to Cleveland tomorrow from Greenville-Spartanburg @ 4:10 PM

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by avtcle
Mon Aug 12, 2019 2:35 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 8/11/2019:AA Out PHXEGE;AM MAXs Gone;CA Cuts HNLPEK;F9 Drops RDU-CLE/MSY/PBI/RSW/TPA;SA Cuts DSSIAD;WO SAN
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Re: OAG Changes 8/11/2019:AA Out PHXEGE;AM MAXs Gone;CA Cuts HNLPEK;F9 Drops RDU-CLE/MSY/PBI/RSW/TPA;SA Cuts DSSIAD;WO S

I find it unlikely that Frontier is dropping ALL of those listed airports from Raleigh... This year they are kickstarting a lot of new winter service a lot earlier than usual — so this could simply be the shifting of aircraft to routes that can be more successful in the winter. Doesn’t necessarily m...

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by avtcle
Mon Aug 12, 2019 2:29 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 966
Views: 119463

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Frontier just updated their schedule ending both CLE-RDU & CLE-MSP one month earlier than previously scheduled (now October, instead of November). I wonder if they are pulling the plug on these routes, or perhaps just shifting aircraft for the loads of new fall routes starting in October, includ...

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by avtcle
Thu Aug 08, 2019 12:22 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 966
Views: 119463

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Looks like CLE got some diversions ! UA-SFO-IAD 777 UA-PEK-IAD 777 UA-FRA-IAD 777 DL-SLC-JFK 752 2x AA -? - PHL A321 Looks like AA 321s were from Denver and San Diego Delta 757 diverted to Cleveland as well after originally planning to divert to BUF... wonder what the reasoning behind that was. Thi...

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by avtcle
Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 966
Views: 119463

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Midwest Express Airlines is planning to open their reservations system in the coming weeks with plans to begin initial service from Milwaukee by the end of the year... I wonder if they'll give Cleveland a shot even with SWA now controlling that market... A business oriented carrier may be more attra...

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by avtcle
Mon Aug 05, 2019 6:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 966
Views: 119463

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

^If this is the case, we should hear something in about a month? That would be very welcome news. If everything stays on schedule in regards to 321LR deliveries we should expect to hear something within a month... Last year they also released a “shortlist” of cities that were in the running about 2...

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by avtcle
Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 966
Views: 119463

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Robert1010 wrote:
If CLE were to hopefully land EI for summer 2020 you would think an announcement would be sooner than later !


Aer Lingus typically releases new summer routes for the upcoming year in late August/early September

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by avtcle
Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 966
Views: 119463

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

While Dublin has pre clearance--the airport is very crowded and has poor facilities. If you want Pre-clearance Toronto is much better and much better facilities including a star lounge after preclearance. My last connection at IAD with Global entry and security took 10 min during the 3pm rush perio...

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by avtcle
Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 966
Views: 119463

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

In the "Aer Lingus Commences A321LR Transatlantic Fllights" thread a post follows: Vladex wrote: A321 neo destinations Portland, Cleveland, Buffalo, Burlington, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Baltimore? followed by a reply: Cleveland is expected for Summer 2020 Wonder if it's speculation or expe...

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by avtcle
Thu Aug 01, 2019 2:43 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 966
Views: 119463

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

We’ll see how this all plays out... If Aer Lingus adds Cleveland for 2020 you can bet that Icelandair won’t be sticking around. Cleveland showed stronger numbers and better loads with Icelandair at 5x weekly than Kansas City did at 3x weekly — however at the end of the day there must have been a spe...

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by avtcle
Mon Jul 29, 2019 5:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 966
Views: 119463

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Looks like FedEx’s daily IND-CLE run is switching from an A300 to a B763! Cleveland’s cargo ramp was recently fitted to handle 767s so I figured this change would be coming...

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by avtcle
Sun Jul 28, 2019 9:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 966
Views: 119463

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Given that the low fare carriers packed up shop in CAK and moved to CLE, there’s not much of a question. No more AirTran, no more WN, no more F9, skeletal NK service. . . Bad for CAK but very good for the region because CLE has a scale that CAK could never have. I’d like to see both airports run by...

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by avtcle
Sun Jul 28, 2019 9:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 966
Views: 119463

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

10 million passengers on the charts will truly be impressive to see. Most airports CLEs size that break this threshold have seen significant buildup from a single carrier — Southwest in BNA & STL, Delta in CVG & RDU, Frontier in AUS and SAT. Cleveland has such a strong market that seems to b...

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by avtcle
Sat Jul 27, 2019 1:27 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 966
Views: 119463

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

A little bit of Allegiant expansion heading for Cleveland for some existing routes. CLE-BNA will go on hiatus in August and will return at 2x weekly in February — this extends the route’s season by 4 months. CLE-CHS will go on hiatus in August and will return at 2x weekly in February — this extends ...

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by avtcle
Sat Jul 27, 2019 12:06 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 966
Views: 119463

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

UA1995, a Boeing 777-224ER en route from ORD to EWR diverted to CLE tonight. Currently sitting on the pad, estimated to depart in 30 minutes. Anyone know the reason for the diversion?

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by avtcle
Fri Jul 26, 2019 10:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 966
Views: 119463

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Anyone hear a rumor for a UA CLE-PHX route Sat/Sun coming this fall? I've heard chatter but I haven't seen anything materialize. I'm keeping an eye on the schedule. United saw success in this route during the hub ops, and the way it was slotted the passengers had to be almost 100% O&D. 2014-01/...

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by avtcle
Fri Jul 26, 2019 9:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 966
Views: 119463

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Not to nitpick, but this is what she said: " Destinations would be similar to those of WOW air, she said, with the addition of Washington Dulles " That one word *could* change everything. CMH is "similar" to CLE, IND is "similar" to CVG, etc so it might not mean all th...

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by avtcle
Fri Jul 26, 2019 1:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 966
Views: 119463

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/80162-us-businesswoman-outlines-plans-to-resurrect-wow-air ... says WOW will be operating again and plans to serve the destinations it previously served plus IAD. Well, maybe ... Not to nitpick, but this is what she said: " Destinations would be similar ...

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by avtcle
Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 966
Views: 119463

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

In my personal opinion, I thinks AAs decision to add CVG-PHX was a poor choice. The market there is going to be incredibly over saturated. Now between Delta, Frontier, Southwest and now American. That can be over 700 seats on some days! Whereas Cleveland doesn’t offer legacy service to PHX, so Ameri...

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by avtcle
Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 966
Views: 119463

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

So I flew from STT-IAD-ORD-CLE last week, and after some closer analysis of the hemispheres magazine (that I took from the plane of course!) United still has San Juan listed as a destination from Cleveland on their July 2019 revised route map. I wonder if they plan on bringing this route back at som...

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by avtcle
Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 966
Views: 119463

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

UAX Service from Cleveland to Tampa returns on December 7, 2019 this year! Really surprised to see all the expanded and returning winter routes especially in the wake of the MAX grounding — barring that it is back in service by then.

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by avtcle
Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 966
Views: 119463

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

I used the words “half baked” not because it didn’t last a decent number of years, but because it was never year round…the season was short. CLE yyz fares are absurdly high and the irony is AC often has the lowest fares to Europe and Asia. Really fits in with the earlier discussion here about prici...

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by avtcle
Tue Jul 16, 2019 5:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 966
Views: 119463

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

My cleveland fan-dom agreed whole heartedly that there is latent demand for Europe (much of it is now driving to PIT DTW YYZ and even ORD— and yes I know many people who’ve driven to all those places for overseas flights) but my brain says UA/CO only had half baked service to Europe during the hub ...

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by avtcle
Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 966
Views: 119463

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

I’d trust the statistics over a “glorified guesser.” Cleveland has proven demand to travel between Cleveland and Europe. In 2018 57,000 passengers traveled between Cleveland and Reykjavik — a very impressive figure. And those passengers were connecting to Europe using the limited options that Reykja...

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by avtcle
Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Next wave of TATL per Boyd Group
Replies: 160
Views: 18359

Re: Next wave of TATL per Boyd Group

Ultimately confused why Boyd did not include Cleveland on the list, especially considering that 57,000 passengers utilized flights between Cleveland and Reykjavik-Keflavik in 2018 — an impressive figure. CLE has statistical proof that strong demand exists yet it wasn’t included. Odd. :?:

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by avtcle
Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 966
Views: 119463

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

A bit of a hiccup in Frontier's PUJ expansion... STL-PUJ: Mon/Wed/Sat [Ends August 10, 2019, Resumes December 20, 2019.] CLE-PUJ: Sun/Tues/Thurs [Ends August 8, 2019, Resumes December 22, 2019] CVG-PUJ: Fri [Ends August 30, 2019] Route suspensions likely due to unrest in the Dominican Republic. Tour...

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by avtcle
Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:52 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: CVG New Airlines/routes?
Replies: 27
Views: 3496

Re: CVG New Airlines/routes?

A bit of a hiccup in Frontier's PUJ expansion... STL-PUJ: Mon/Wed/Sat [Ends August 10, 2019, Resumes December 20, 2019.] CLE-PUJ: Sun/Tues/Thurs [Ends August 8, 2019, Resumes December 22, 2019] CVG-PUJ: Fri [Ends August 30, 2019] Route suspensions likely due to unrest in the Dominican Republic. Tour...

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by avtcle
Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 966
Views: 119463

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

pmanni1 wrote:
CLE-MKE: 74%
I wonder how long WN will keep this around. Odd spoke to spoke pairing to begin with.


I don’t forsee this route being cut. It performs rather well considering its running 2x daily. Southwest also has a monopoly on the route — they’d be stupid to get rid of it.

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by avtcle
Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 966
Views: 119463

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

^Interesting, thanks. LGA stands out for all airlines as surprisingly low LF. Perhaps the high capacity accounts for this, sustained by relatively high fares? Also surprising was United Airlines: CLE-SFO: 70%. Why so low? What's not surprising: United Airlines: CLE-BOS: 78%--and they drop the route...

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by avtcle
Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:14 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 966
Views: 119463

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

March 2019 numbers are out! Here's a list of CLE LF's 03-2019 Frontier Airlines CLE-SAN: 90% CLE-TPA: 96% CLE-RSW: 95% CLE-MCO: 96% CLE-PBI: 88% CLE-DEN: 95% CLE-SRQ: 95% CLE-PHX: 94% CLE-LAS: 97% Spirit Airlines CLE-TPA: 97% CLE-RSW: 96% CLE-MCO: 98% CLE-MSY: 74% CLE-LAX: 98% CLE-LAS: 97% CLE-ATL: ...

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by avtcle
Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 966
Views: 119463

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

[*] Can’t necessarily fault the airport or city for that. Incorrect and yes you absolutely can. The airport said they are addressing parking issues in the master plan as passenger growth is expected to continue. But first, everyone needs to understand that Cleveland Hopkins was never designed to han...

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by avtcle
Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 966
Views: 119463

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

10,000,000 passengers looks achievable this year... If the airport is somewhere in the ballpark of 4-5% increase over 2018 by years end they should be comfortably over that mark. I wouldn’t say “comfortably.” There’s nowhere to park, lines are often down the hall and out the door, and nobody knows ...

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by avtcle
Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:30 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 966
Views: 119463

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

10,000,000 passengers looks achievable this year... If the airport is somewhere in the ballpark of 4-5% increase over 2018 by years end they should be comfortably over that mark.

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by avtcle
Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 966
Views: 119463

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

United is also adding a 2nd afternoon flight to MCO on Saturdays beginning October 4, 2019. Looks like the 2nd Saturday flight will be mainline through October but switch to regional E-175 service in November. Unclear if it will extend into December and beyond like last year.

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by avtcle
Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 966
Views: 119463

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Unusual week to be doing that. School’s back in session in Northeast Ohio at least. And the max shortage is still a thing. That may be the intent. End of August is a slow time for leisure flights so they probably are looking for more profitable places to position those planes for the week. CLE-SFO ...

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by avtcle
Sun Jul 07, 2019 1:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 966
Views: 119463

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

masseybrown wrote:
UA has scheduled a third CLE-SFO for the last week or so of August. What's that about?


Maybe a test for next summer — would be great to see both LAX & SFO 3x daily for summer 2020!

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by avtcle
Sat Jul 06, 2019 11:23 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 966
Views: 119463

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Here’s an interesting thought: Frontier’s new A321XLR would give the airline the ability to fly nonstop from Cleveland to Hawaii, opening up an incredible new market for the airline which has the potential to stimulate incredible demand. Just think: Cleveland travelers could instead choose to fly c...

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by avtcle
Thu Jul 04, 2019 4:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 966
Views: 119463

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Here’s an interesting thought: Frontier’s new A321XLR would give the airline the ability to fly nonstop from Cleveland to Hawaii, opening up an incredible new market for the airline which has the potential to stimulate incredible demand. Just think: Cleveland travelers could instead choose to fly ch...

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by avtcle
Sun Jun 30, 2019 3:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 966
Views: 119463

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly/tr ... ation.html

Looks like CLE is once again the test subject for some new gate innovations that United is introducing!
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https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly/tr ... ation.html

Looks like CLE is once again the test subject for some new gate innovations that United is introducing!

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by avtcle
Wed Jun 26, 2019 3:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 966
Views: 119463

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

IMO Frontier’s decision to shift their PDX flight to SFO was a bad move. They had control of the PDX market and they had generally high fares there — but we’re still able to undercut the competition. Loads were good but I guess they thought they could make more money at SFO... I have a feeling they’...

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by avtcle
Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 966
Views: 119463

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Seeing frontier re-enter these markets gives me some hope for summer 2020 expansion. They’re showing that they’re willing to try out old routes with existing competition again. Perhaps we could see the return of Frontier service from Cleveland to Atlanta, Los Angeles, Chicago, New York (LGA), and Ph...

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by avtcle
Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 966
Views: 119463

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

I love JetBlue — such a unique carrier. Would be a shame if they dropped the route but let’s not jump to conclusions. They have a significant following in Cleveland and the route consistently performs well even with the existing competition.

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