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by Sokes
Tue Aug 20, 2019 5:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing delays 777-8X entry into service
Replies: 154
Views: 25300

Re: Boeing delays 777-8X entry into service

I don't understand what you mean by "even 787-9 and A333, having cabin floor sizes equal to better than 0.1%". Can you expand on that? A330-300: 63,7 m length B787-9: 62,8 m length floor size is "length times width" Thanks for the formula. I was always better in algebra than geo...

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by Sokes
Mon Aug 19, 2019 6:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing delays 777-8X entry into service
Replies: 154
Views: 25300

Re: Boeing delays 777-8X entry into service

Airbus cabins have good per m2 performance.... even 787-9 and A333, having cabin floor sizes equal to better than 0.1% AND having 9 abreast Y on the 787, VS Airbus still have the same number of seats and are more premium heavy. I don't understand what you mean by "even 787-9 and A333, having c...

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by Sokes
Mon Aug 19, 2019 6:45 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR
Replies: 379
Views: 62510

Re: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

The A350-1000 and 777-9 look to be more "complimentary" frames than competitive ones ... IMO, this is very much NOT an A340-600 / 777-300ER "winner takes (most) all" scenario. You are good in language. Something like this I had in mind when I posted about A330/ B787/ A350/ B777 ...

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by Sokes
Mon Aug 19, 2019 6:24 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Any leaks, ideas, or otherwise: What is Airbus' next clean-sheet aircraft?
Replies: 88
Views: 12065

Re: Any leaks, ideas, or otherwise: What is Airbus' next clean-sheet aircraft?

Airbus has a total of 846 unfilled dual-aisle orders ... 1161 orders with 315 deliveries ... I agree that the next clean sheet will be an A320 replacement and may be another 15 years. A320.5, A322 and a longer carbon wing for the A320 family is needed. The wing to be optional for longer ranges. How...

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by Sokes
Mon Aug 19, 2019 6:23 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Any leaks, ideas, or otherwise: What is Airbus' next clean-sheet aircraft?
Replies: 88
Views: 12065

Re: Any leaks, ideas, or otherwise: What is Airbus' next clean-sheet aircraft?

Airbus has a total of 846 unfilled dual-aisle orders ... 1161 orders with 315 deliveries ... I agree that the next clean sheet will be an A320 replacement and may be another 15 years. A320.5, A322 and a longer carbon wing for the A320 family is needed. The wing to be optional for longer ranges. How...

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by Sokes
Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why didn't the B753 sell better?
Replies: 90
Views: 14924

Re: Why didn't the B753 sell better?

However, in this case, the 757's maintenance costs are significantly more than the A321. http://www.aircraft-commerce.com/sample_articles/sample_articles/fleet_planning_2_sample.pdf Thanks for the link. From your link: "In general, although the 757’s airframe maintenance cost steadily increase...

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by Sokes
Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:29 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Potential TATL routes with the A220
Replies: 10
Views: 2660

Re: Potential TATL routes with the A220

Where to get pilots? https://www.airbus.com/aircraft/passenger-aircraft/a220-family/a220-300.html If one scrolls down the page one can place the plane on the world map and see the range. I believe it's without reserves... I think it's just not enough from New York into continental Europe. Maybe o.k....

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by Sokes
Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR
Replies: 379
Views: 62510

Re: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

T4thH wrote:
There is now no engine for the A350-2000.


When the B777 was introduced, who would have expected the performance of the yet to be introduced -300ER?
You may be right, but from the order book I would rather expect a A350-950 NEO with an A350-900 MTOW and wing and reduced range.

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by Sokes
Sun Aug 18, 2019 3:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR
Replies: 379
Views: 62510

Re: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

olle wrote:
I can even see the A350-2000 to be moved forward as sort of replacement for A380 with these increasment in mtow. It is something in the airbus strategy we still do not see.


A350-900.: 733 orders
A350-1000:180 orders
A350-2000: ?

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by Sokes
Sun Aug 18, 2019 2:16 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR
Replies: 379
Views: 62510

Re: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

"Baxter, Glenn & Srisaeng, Panarat & Wild, Graham. (2018). The Air Cargo Carrying Potential of The Airbus A350-900XWB and Boeing 787-9 Aircraft on Their Ultra-Long-Haul Flights: A Case Study for Flights from San Francisco to Singapore. Transport and Telecommunication Journal. 19. 301-3...

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by Sokes
Sat Aug 17, 2019 5:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR
Replies: 379
Views: 62510

Re: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Without structural change at least to the landing gear it is impossible to raise the MTOW of those frame and we also have to considere pressure on the ground with "only" 12 main gear wheels, is already at a maximum. Good point. Any solutions in sight? The 77W, as a plane that basically ca...

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by Sokes
Sat Aug 17, 2019 3:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR
Replies: 379
Views: 62510

Re: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

if B777-9X wouldn't be superior on even a few ULR routes, why would Boeing develop it? For the same reason Airbus continued with the A345/6 ... not knowing how good the 77W would be. I had to laugh reading your answer. We shall see. If B777-9X wouldn't be superior on even a few ULR routes, why woul...

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by Sokes
Sat Aug 17, 2019 3:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing delays 777-8X entry into service
Replies: 154
Views: 25300

Re: Boeing delays 777-8X entry into service

[*] https://www.postandcourier.com/business/dash-changes-at-boeing-s-north-charleston-campus-will-make/article_8356e2cc-3750-11e8-9522-e7bda2b3d09e.html From your link: " Darrel Larson, director of aft body operations at the planemaker’s South Carolina campus, said the modifications that will ...

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by Sokes
Sat Aug 17, 2019 2:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR
Replies: 379
Views: 62510

Re: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Being ignorant about fuel consumption of planes I so far stayed out of the discussion if B787 or A350 is better. However I can't resist: Common sense tells me that a lighter OEW plane with shorter wings is better on shorter routes and for less payload. Common sense tells me that a heavier OEW plane ...

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by Sokes
Sat Aug 17, 2019 1:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing delays 777-8X entry into service
Replies: 154
Views: 25300

Re: Boeing delays 777-8X entry into service

I can help, I speak Lightsaber. 444 of 1462 or 30.3% of all 787s on order or delivered are -8 models. Cost and weight reduction are coming to the model because the improved -9 tail section is being retrofitted to the -8. I thought a shrink/ stretch needs a different tail section. E.g. A380 is very ...

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by Sokes
Sat Aug 17, 2019 10:17 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing delays 777-8X entry into service
Replies: 154
Views: 25300

Re: Boeing delays 777-8X entry into service

lightsaber wrote:
787-8 444 of 1462, engineering in work to reduce cost/weight (30.3%)
Lightsaber


I don't understand what you mean. Can you please expand on it.

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by Sokes
Sat Aug 17, 2019 10:13 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing delays 777-8X entry into service
Replies: 154
Views: 25300

Re: Boeing delays 777-8X entry into service

Cabin humidity is much misunderstood. The air outside an aircraft at altitude is basically dry, the humidity inside the aircraft comes out of passengers mouths. The humidity is higher in economy section than it is in premium cabin, economy class is typically between 10% and 15%, but it can drop as ...

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by Sokes
Fri Aug 16, 2019 6:59 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 787 deferred production cost watch
Replies: 164
Views: 24936

Re: Boeing 787 deferred production cost watch

Pointless hypothetical. That's why I am here. I love pointless hypothetical. Why are you here? Wondering which plane to order? Sure, they would have sold less planes, but the industry was already in a severe crisis from 9-11 and low fare carriers that was still in motion. I don’t think carriers wou...

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by Sokes
Fri Aug 16, 2019 6:52 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing delays 777-8X entry into service
Replies: 154
Views: 25300

Re: 778x mothballed?

And the antipoden airliner is pretty much just one engine update away for the 787-9 and A350 family. B777-8X: 69,8 m length B777-9X: 76,7 m length Fuselage diameter 6,2 m https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_777X#Specifications over-stretched DC8-63: length 57,1m, fuselage width 3,73m, 57,1m/ 3,73m...

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by Sokes
Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:51 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest, a stalwart Boeing 737 MAX customer, eyes other jets
Replies: 205
Views: 30964

Re: Southwest, a stalwart Boeing 737 MAX customer, eyes other jets

Then, when fuel costs spiked, they saw the advantage of using the -800 and getting better fuel efficiency per seat and started ordering the -800. "Southwest added the Boeing 737-700 to its fleet on December 17, 1997. Southwest added the Boeing 737-800 to its fleet on April 11, 2012. The aircra...

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by Sokes
Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:30 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 787 deferred production cost watch
Replies: 164
Views: 24936

Re: Boeing 787 deferred production cost watch

Check this 70 year oil price chart: https://www.macrotrends.net/1369/crude-oil-price-history-chart 2004 was the start of high oil prices and Boeing started selling the B787. In Sept 2014 oil prices collapsed. Between 2004 and December 2014 Boeing collected 1071 orders for the B787. When the oil pric...

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by Sokes
Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 'urgently requires' more 737 MAX jets to support growth - co-founder
Replies: 26
Views: 4586

Re: Lion Air 'urgently requires' more 737 MAX jets to support growth - co-founder

Rumor is the US embassy stepped in and did a lot of talking with Lion Air and the Indonesian government to save the order. If Lion Air had their way the Boeing contract would have been canceled already, at this point Lion Air seeing as they can’t cancel just want to get as much out of it as they ca...

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by Sokes
Thu Aug 15, 2019 6:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR
Replies: 379
Views: 62510

Re: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

I'm sure they are cashing in on Boeing's troubles, along with the next generation 777 delays they are expecting. Airbus is playing a game of chess, and winning at the moment. If there had to be a game of chess, there would be an A320.5. America guarantees security in Europe. There is competition, b...

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by Sokes
Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest, a stalwart Boeing 737 MAX customer, eyes other jets
Replies: 205
Views: 30964

Re: Southwest, a stalwart Boeing 737 MAX customer, eyes other jets

I wonder if airlines can buy business insurance for catastrophic risk. ... Suppose that all airline & OEM management lifes were tied to that of their passengers ? Say Japanese style, seppuku / hara-kiri ? Do we speak of the first or the second MAX crash? As an alternative one may want to consid...

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by Sokes
Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing delays 777-8X entry into service
Replies: 154
Views: 25300

Re: 778x mothballed?

The economics of 777x series is a concern. The 779 may (may not ) beats A351 simply because it is a larger plane. The fuel efficiency of A351 vs 779 are roughly on par. But yield quickly fall off if 779 cannot be filled up. Hence 779 is a very risky bet, while A351 is a better investment. We don't ...

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by Sokes
Thu Aug 15, 2019 2:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest, a stalwart Boeing 737 MAX customer, eyes other jets
Replies: 205
Views: 30964

Re: Southwest, a stalwart Boeing 737 MAX customer, eyes other jets

I can understand that a low cost carrier wants to fly only B737 or only A320. But why to have 500 B737-700 instead of a mix of -700, -800, -900. Wikipedia says exit limit for passengers is -700: 149 passengers -800: 189 " -900: 220 " Wouldn't it be worth to have one stewardess extra for 40...

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by Sokes
Sun Aug 11, 2019 5:11 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The Mistakes Behind Bombardier’s Commercial Aircraft Failures
Replies: 45
Views: 7017

Re: The Mistakes Behind Bombardier’s Commercial Aircraft Failures

Bombardier lost good management people due to being a family controlled company, everyone knew Pierre Beaudoin would become CEO, and every title he held to get to there cost them some good management as they knew they couldn't become CEO or before that, head of aviation. What do you mean with a goo...

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by Sokes
Sun Aug 11, 2019 3:38 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: More Bad News for Boeing: Poor quality complaints from customers
Replies: 95
Views: 24914

Re: More Bad News for Boeing: Poor quality complaints from customers

If your company wanted cheap labor in India, that's your company's fault. Agreed. I think they were presuming the glory days of the early portion of the outsourcing era where you could get good talent cheap were still in effect, when in fact they were not. I once drove my car in rear gear. I saw th...

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by Sokes
Sat Aug 10, 2019 9:04 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Did/Does the 779X need a new wing? and does it need to be so big?
Replies: 47
Views: 6939

Re: Did/Does the 779X need a new wing? and does it need to be so big?

As the cruise speeds are slower, you can have a thicker wing with less form drag, which means you can make it stronger for a given weight. Given this, you can increase AR without as much weight gain as you'd suffer from a thinner wing. As you alluded to, the A330/340 wing was designed this way very...

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by Sokes
Sat Aug 10, 2019 3:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: More Bad News for Boeing: Poor quality complaints from customers
Replies: 95
Views: 24914

Re: More Bad News for Boeing: Poor quality complaints from customers

... the project was to be outsourced, my name was picked out of a hat, what could go wrong? What I found is the contracting firm found one pretty experienced guy and made him our interface to the rest of their team. In hindsight they were using him as gatekeeper, and to show us they had a staff mem...

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by Sokes
Sat Aug 10, 2019 1:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The Mistakes Behind Bombardier’s Commercial Aircraft Failures
Replies: 45
Views: 7017

Re: The Mistakes Behind Bombardier’s Commercial Aircraft Failures

3. Lear85 was stupidity on multiple levels, lets try and make a sandwich composite structure at ~2000m above sea-level on the cheap for a market saturated with low cost alternatives. Sure what could go wrong? This sucked design talent and money out of the CSeries program right at the start when lay...

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by Sokes
Fri Aug 09, 2019 10:21 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Erfurt + Rostock airports
Replies: 19
Views: 3135

Re: Erfurt + Rostock airports

Google maps says Leipzig/ Halle airport is 140 km with car or 1 hour 20 minutes with rail away. There is a direct train every 90 minutes. There are roughly two trains per hour during the day, but you have to change once, as the ICEs don't stop at LEJ. For more destinations Frankfurt airport is 2 ho...

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by Sokes
Fri Aug 09, 2019 10:01 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The Mistakes Behind Bombardier’s Commercial Aircraft Failures
Replies: 45
Views: 7017

Re: The Mistakes Behind Bombardier’s Commercial Aircraft Failures

Do you think developing smaller planes didn't give them a head start? From the start they over-fulfilled expectations. The first mistake was that Bombardier didn't issue new shares for two billion $ or so when they started the program. I guess it wasn't done so that the power of the main shareholder...

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by Sokes
Fri Aug 09, 2019 8:53 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UA’s cash position
Replies: 29
Views: 6459

Re: UA’s cash position

Current interest rates airlines are paying are record lows. ...Therefore, if you can borrow money at 3% and invest it in your business at 10% why wouldn't you keep doing that (within reason)? Very true. The question is what is "within reason"? ... With long term debt at over 12B I’m surpr...

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by Sokes
Fri Aug 09, 2019 6:26 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Erfurt + Rostock airports
Replies: 19
Views: 3135

Re: Erfurt + Rostock airports

6 months later, time for a review of these 2 airports... Lufthansa has started a year-round Munich-Rostock route, so maybe the passenger terminal has a future. Passenger numbers at Erfurt are down 55% for the first 6 months of 2019 compared to 2018, and down 40% for the month of June. I'm guessing ...

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by Sokes
Fri Aug 09, 2019 5:13 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Did/Does the 779X need a new wing? and does it need to be so big?
Replies: 47
Views: 6939

Re: Did/Does the 779X need a new wing? and does it need to be so big?

... Air density = (2 * gravity * wing loading) / ( speed^2 * lift coefficient) ... ... If induced drag mostly depends on span loading a broad wing should be o.k. Does the lift coefficient get worse with broader wings? Otherwise a broad wing seems like an advantage to me. Which is of course not how ...

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by Sokes
Fri Aug 09, 2019 4:53 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: TK dispatching literally uncleaned planes?
Replies: 21
Views: 3233

Re: TK dispatching literally uncleaned planes?

... someting extraordinary must have happened that day. Could be tight schedule, crew duty times, slots, weather, ground handling strike, pretty much anything... I strongly suggest you to put a checkmark behind that flight since all airlines do care about their passengers and their cabins (on diffe...

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by Sokes
Fri Aug 09, 2019 2:17 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Did/Does the 779X need a new wing? and does it need to be so big?
Replies: 47
Views: 6939

Re: Did/Does the 779X need a new wing? and does it need to be so big?

Air density = (2 * gravity * wing loading) / ( speed^2 * lift coefficient). This means, assuming a fixed lift coefficient, a lower wing loading allows for a lower air density, and hence a higher altitude. This can be seen when the A380 can cruise at higher altitudes initially than say the 77W. The ...

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by Sokes
Thu Aug 08, 2019 6:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: More Bad News for Boeing: Poor quality complaints from customers
Replies: 95
Views: 24914

Re: More Bad News for Boeing: Poor quality complaints from customers

It is my understanding that there is a lot of trained people in India, but the quality to which they have been trained is very hard to verify and they typically lack experience. ... Their opportunities come in the form of Western companies handing off low priority busywork without a lot of guidance...

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by Sokes
Thu Aug 08, 2019 4:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: More Bad News for Boeing: Poor quality complaints from customers
Replies: 95
Views: 24914

Re: More Bad News for Boeing: Poor quality complaints from customers

Could you explain that in detail, couldn't get what you meant? Don't fret about jabs at India, its just knee jerk reactions at high paying jobs getting diverted. ... At the moment, India and its software industry has taken a lot of good paying jobs, so it's a easy target. Example, the perpetual sof...

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by Sokes
Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:28 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Did/Does the 779X need a new wing? and does it need to be so big?
Replies: 47
Views: 6939

Re: Did/Does the 779X need a new wing? and does it need to be so big?

B777-300ER was competing against whom? It can't compete against A350. I think A380 also has high wing loading. To answer these statements in two parts: The B777-300ER was competing against the A340-600. It did rather well in this regard, out-selling its competition at an approximate 8:1 ratio. Wing...

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by Sokes
Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:26 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Did/Does the 779X need a new wing? and does it need to be so big?
Replies: 47
Views: 6939

Re: Did/Does the 779X need a new wing? and does it need to be so big?

...the wing loading on the 77W and A321NEOLR don't seem to hamper their long range performance and it seems to almost have developed into a sort of folk lore. It may make some effect but the noise this generates around these parts is much higher than the actual impact. Fred " Its design offers...

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by Sokes
Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:37 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: More Bad News for Boeing: Poor quality complaints from customers
Replies: 95
Views: 24914

Re: More Bad News for Boeing: Poor quality complaints from customers

In my mind, if there is not a developed infrastructure for construction, I doubt there are high-quality software and electrical engineers in abundance. More likely, there is an abundance of people willing to work for next to nothing and have very basic skills. Please skip this post if you are not i...

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by Sokes
Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:09 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: More Bad News for Boeing: Poor quality complaints from customers
Replies: 95
Views: 24914

Re: More Bad News for Boeing: Poor quality complaints from customers

I recall one telling me of them personally going to India or maybe it was Bangladesh where they were building a software development office. They said the construction workers were barefoot hand carrying bricks like something from National Geographic. I highly doubt Boeing is there for the talent.....

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by Sokes
Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:13 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A220 sales tour and sales campaigns, 2019
Replies: 77
Views: 9259

Re: A220 sales tour and sales campaigns, 2019

The biggest hurdle today is probably the production rate. They have to ramp faster. By the end of 2024, they will have produced maybe ~700 aircraft. And they already have ~600 orders. Sure ~100 of those might not materialize. But between existing orders and options likely to materialize, they are e...

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by Sokes
Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:13 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 787 deferred production cost watch
Replies: 164
Views: 24936

Re: Boeing 787 deferred production cost watch

The A350 is oversold. There are not enough near term slots to compete. Boeing has sold net about a hundred a year since announcing the rate increase: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boeing_787_orders_and_deliveries Airbus sells about net 40: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Airbus_A3...

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by Sokes
Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 787 deferred production cost watch
Replies: 164
Views: 24936

Re: Boeing 787 deferred production cost watch

Every publicly-traded U.S. firm publishes a balance sheet regularly. Do you think Boeing's lenders, shareholders (it's majority institution-held) and bondholders are unfamiliar with its debt-to-equity ratio? I was more concerned about suppliers. I agree Boeing suppliers will be familiar with Boeing...

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by Sokes
Sun Aug 04, 2019 12:02 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Would the 747-8 and A380 sell well if 9/11 didn’t happen.
Replies: 18
Views: 1891

Re: Would the 747-8 and A380 sell well if 9/11 didn’t happen.

Probably not. 10-abreast B777-300ER is one of the main reason why both B747-8 and A380 fails. First delivery B777-300ER to Air France in April 2004. First delivery A380 in Oktober 2007. At the end of 2004 139 A380 were on order. At the end of 2007 198 A380 were on order. At the end of 2013 304 A380...

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by Sokes
Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:45 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 787 deferred production cost watch
Replies: 164
Views: 24936

Re: Boeing 787 deferred production cost watch

I was talking very early in their history. Obviously now they are very profitable now. Lightsaber I misunderstood. I was noting case 2 doesn't lead to bankruptcy. Lightsaber You are right. Which I consider outrageous. If a bank wants to lend to somebody without equity so be it. They know the financ...

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