Let's face it, manufacturers habitually overstate the range capabilities of their airplanes. I've seem numerous examples where the airplane cannot fly with a full load of passengers the mission for which it was sold. Any airline that believes that this airplane will fly 4,700 nm year round with a f...
Jump to postFabienA380 wrote:Nobody mentioned it, but the order could also go to rouge. HD B789s and you have beasts that could go anywhere in Europe or even Asia, at very cheap costs.
I would think that the driving factor on fleet planning now will be the deployment of the XLR. Are they planning to deploy them off-peak and then sub in widebodies for peak? If that's the case, how much of a jump is peak for many of these destinations? I would think that drives the decision on wheth...
Jump to postAirIndia wrote:AI should brand their premium class / lounges as Vistara Class. one way to retain the brand and some of its attributes............
Brand consolidation at AI. Vistara and Air Asia India brands are going away.
https://onemileatatime.com/news/vistara ... continued/
I suggested this a while back. Some were arguing that the Tatas would keep the separate brands.
People keep complaining about the size of the order. Anybody look at growth rates lately, the size of the diaspora and the state of infrastructure inside India? They'll have no issues taking delivery of all this over a decade (when their economy will double at minimum) and filling those seats. And y...
Jump to post34 A35K is a huge number....... It is huge and I don't understand the logic behind this. Air India is better served by 789 sized planes as they have need to connect cities other than DEL too. India's biggest international market outside of Middle East, SE Asia is North America. More 789s would have...
Jump to postIt’s really difficult on this forum to use an example for clarity without the discussion turning into a debate about the example. I’ll try to ask my question about AI’s order again, without using an example. In numerous threads in this forum, comments have been made that it is expensive and ineffic...
Jump to postI agree that WestJet has used its flanker brand in a near-predatory manner. So much so that WestJet is at risk of Swoop now cannibalizing WestJet itself. However my thinking is that Air Canada will see Porter as more of a direct competitor because Porter is more aimed at business travel. Hence the ...
Jump to postPorter might have been okay if they stuck to YOW and YHZ. But they want to grow at YYZ and YUL. That's asking for pain.
Jump to postEY's main purpose was to offer up competition and compel Dubai and EK to negotiate. It's fulfilled its purpose. Eventually they can merge at DWC and Abu Dhabi can be connected by rail to DWC. Negotiate for what? For power and influence in their federation. irelayer has done a decent job explaining ...
Jump to postEY's main purpose was to offer up competition and compel Dubai and EK to negotiate. It's fulfilled its purpose. Eventually they can merge at DWC and Abu Dhabi can be connected by rail to DWC.
Jump to postAFAIK the takeoff performance of the MAX10 does at least match the MAX9 due to the new Main Landing Gear. So I would guess it would be either MAX8 or MAX10 (most likely both), unless Boeing does not launch a MAX9 with the MAX10 Main Landing Gear for even better takeoff performance or/and a MAX9ER I...
Jump to postThere is not enough traffic from smaller Indian cities except to DXB, where the bilaterals are maxed, may be SIN, even there bilaterals are coming close to being full. XLRs would be for the larger 6 to 8 Indian cities to mostly E Asia and may be some to Europe. Genuine question. What are you classi...
Jump to postTrying to remember the big orders made in Canada on July 1st, 2017. Must have forgotten. Perhaps we'll see a multitude of US carriers celebrate July 4th, 2026 by announcing large orders. Any other countries come to mind where perhaps we have missed private airlines take a similar opportunity to cel...
Jump to postThat would then imply some political oversight which is highly improbable. Much more likely is that Tata announces a deal when they are ready from a business perspective which will include their own PR reasons. There is nothing political about celebrating 75 years of Independence. Every brand, ever...
Jump to postIs there any update on a date for a possible order? 15th August, which marks 75 years of Indian Independence most likely date from PR prespective since they deemed Farnbarough Airshow wasn't a grand enough occasion. (assuming they were close to an LOI at least). A brand fresh might be too ambitious...
Jump to postReal question is will Air India go 10 abreast on its A350? (since that order is a certainity here, and i suspect a mixed order for narrowbody) Can't see it. Not when their main competition is the Gulf Carriers. Etihad is going 10 abreast from in future deliveries according to grapevines, wouldn't b...
Jump to postSince wen do private carriers make orders based on geopolitics?.....since quite a long time and it happens behind the scenes more than you think. It is a well known fact that back in the 90s Clinton helped Boeing land a deal with the Saudis for the 777 (i don't want to get into whether SaudiA is/wa...
Jump to postAny chance the MAXs might be the Max 10? I would hope so. If I were Boeing that’s what I would be throwing in their face Doubtful. India has difficult geography with "table top" airports that have some tighter field performance requirements. And that's where a lot of the LCCs operate. If ...
Jump to postsibibom wrote:Real question is will Air India go 10 abreast on its A350? (since that order is a certainity here, and i suspect a mixed order for narrowbody)
Dude, your ignorance is on public display because you didn't read my post. I clearly stated that i made my comment not knowing the actual merits of the MC-21 and asked for unbiased comments on the actual merits of the MC 21 and it's performance (leaving aside the biases and politics). You clearly a...
Jump to postShould AI operate those though? I figure their alliance partners will service secondary and tertiary Indian cities with the XLR from their hubs, while AI aims at non-hubs in Europe and Asia with its own XLRs. Why not? Being able to directly fly to secondary stations in India without having to conne...
Jump to postI will be surprised if Geo Politics isn't a factor in this deal. What about MC 21 as a contender for the single aisle requirement? Who knows if India might consider placing an order for MC 21 in exchange for technology transfer and local production facilities at a time when much of the West is sanc...
Jump to postI think the additional delays will do the most to discourage Air India from buying. The Russified version is 5+ years away from certification. Any wise airline will wait for 3+ years of in service data. However the SU100 debacle at Interjet and Brussels will discourage buyers. The performance of Ru...
Jump to postShould AI operate those though? I figure their alliance partners will service secondary and tertiary Indian cities with the XLR from their hubs, while AI aims at non-hubs in Europe and Asia with its own XLRs.
Jump to posthttps://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/massive-air-india-jet-order-eludes-farnborough-airshow-2022-07-20/ At this point. Every jet is in play here With such a big order, a combination of 737 MAX-8 and A321neo would make sense. The MAX-8 should have more early delivery slots, the A321neo...
Jump to postThe problem with Eastern Europe is that a lot of markets like BUD or VIE or Croatia are too small for high density A330s, and the perfect plane to those markets, the A321LR, doesn’t have the range. What's the effective range of the LR? Airbus says 4000nm with 206 pax. TS has 199 seats. And YYZ-SPU ...
Jump to postDoubt E3 will be any good for STOL/<1300m airports, airports with low support, unpaved airports, cargo (containerized), etc. I say there is space for both. ATR does not even really has to do a lot because the E3 is for a totally different market. Remote operation (like far off civilization) will st...
Jump to postThe problem with Eastern Europe is that a lot of markets like BUD or VIE or Croatia are too small for high density A330s, and the perfect plane to those markets, the A321LR, doesn’t have the range. What's the effective range of the LR? Airbus says 4000nm with 206 pax. TS has 199 seats. And YYZ-SPU ...
Jump to postAny chance the MAXs might be the Max 10? I would hope so. If I were Boeing that’s what I would be throwing in their face Doubtful. India has difficult geography with "table top" airports that have some tighter field performance requirements. And that's where a lot of the LCCs operate. If ...
Jump to postThey could deploy XLRs from many smaller Indian cities as a hub-busting strategy I don't think the XLRs work from smaller Indian cities. Where would they send them? They don't need XLR range for the Gulf or Southeast Asia. On the other hand, the amount of Europe and Southeast Asia they could reach ...
Jump to postCould be 150 MAXes: https://archive.ph/oXcCZ Interesting. A350 deal seems to be still on, but narrowbody deal could at least in part be for 150 MAXes, due to some extent to Airbus' lack of near-term delivery slots. If they need the capabilities of the 321 / XLR, then I guess the other 150 of the mo...
Jump to postCould be 150 MAXes: https://archive.ph/oXcCZ Air India is clearly placing importance on delivery schedule, considering the state of the current fleet. AIX seems to going MAX way, but 150 is a big number i must say. As the articles point out they have four carriers in the group and will be consolida...
Jump to postCould be 150 MAXes: https://archive.ph/oXcCZ That would be quite the coup for Boeing given how 320 heavy the four airlines in Tata's portfolio are. Also quite the transition burden for the group. But it does make sense to build the LCC brand around a single type. I assume the MAX fleet would go to ...
Jump to postWhere do people come up with this stuff? Same place where people think this is a combined order for AI/IX, UK and I5. We can chat when the airlines are merged in a few months. I'll save the post. You may believe that Tata invested in a bunch of airlines so they can compete with each other. The rest...
Jump to postA split order with 787s, or 77X can't be ruled out.
That said looking forward to the 35J in AI's fleet. Will be transformative for AI long haul.
Is the XLR on the menu? It would seem to be a good fit for LOT. Let them increase frequencies and destinations.
The 220 is perfect for LO short haul.
I'm going to bet the narrowbodies to Airbus and the widebodies to Boeing. Narrowbodies will be 233, 321N and XLR. And widebodies will be 787 and 779.
I have a different fleet mix, but I don't think they'll be able to ignore the allure of the 779.
rj777 wrote:I know Airbus has been pretty tight lipped about it. but could we see the launch of the A220-500?
AC's persistent thuggery paid off. And WS got kicked to the curb for not being able to help EK. Some incredible lessons here.
Jump to post1 year ago suppliers were crying murder for hiking the A32x production to 75 a month. With the latest batch of orders it seems that the hike is probably the bare minimum and they should already lay the ground works for a further hike. Just this order and the one from China makes up for around 500 A...
Jump to postKeep in mind that this is basically for a group that includes AI, IX, 9I, I5 and UK. That group is heavily skewed towards the 320. Very few NGs in operation. The group is also rather short on higher capacity narrowbodies (739/321 size). That said they need to consolidate and reduce the number of fa...
Jump to postKeep in mind that this is basically for a group that includes AI, IX, 9I, I5 and UK. That group is heavily skewed towards the 320. Very few NGs in operation. The group is also rather short on higher capacity narrowbodies (739/321 size). That said they need to consolidate and reduce the number of fam...
Jump to postSomething to keep in mind in these discussions about demand for air travel is how concentrated Indian passenger aviation still is. 1% of the population is responsible for 45% of the passengers. https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/24551.jpeg That must be one of the worst statistical ch...
Jump to postAnd Swoop, and Flair, and Lynx, and Allegiant, and Spirit, etc etc etc. But as long as these companies continue to deliver what the customer wants, filling airplanes … they will exist. Air Canada could deliver what these customers want without a separate brand. Nothing stopping AC from flying all Y...
Jump to postI wouldn't shed a tear Rouge went away And Swoop, and Flair, and Lynx, and Allegiant, and Spirit, etc etc etc. But as long as these companies continue to deliver what the customer wants, filling airplanes … they will exist. Air Canada could deliver what these customers want without a separate brand...
Jump to postSomething to keep in mind in these discussions about demand for air travel is how concentrated Indian passenger aviation still is. 1% of the population is responsible for 45% of the passengers. https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/24551.jpeg As the country develops and the middle class...
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