I remember US flight attendants calling them "Dutch ovens" in the summertime; the a/c couldn't cope with DCA heat/humidity. (CRJ's can't handle it either.) I think some F50s had the APU installed so that the air con could work on hot days. The F50s that didn't have the APU, it was hit for...
Jump to postHaving flown on the SAS Fokker 50 a number of times, I can confirm that the thing was (is) a very high quality machine, and did feel outright 'solid and heavy'. I am not commenting on the economics, however I guess they must have been ok as SAS operated the Dutch bird for many, many years, in both ...
Jump to postI think one of the criticisms of the F50 was that whilst it was built to last and tough (up to 90,000 cycles), the aircraft was heavy and whilst that was ok in the 1980s, 1990s and early 2000s, nowdays its not a good thing. Still though I think roughly 80 to 100 still fly throughout the world. In t...
Jump to postI think one of the criticisms of the F50 was that whilst it was built to last and tough (up to 90,000 cycles), the aircraft was heavy and whilst that was ok in the 1980s, 1990s and early 2000s, nowdays its not a good thing. Still though I think roughly 80 to 100 still fly throughout the world. In to...
Jump to postFor those interested, please see below. It was released on YouTube a month ago. How accurate is this?
https://youtu.be/c8G_G3F1gaY?si=2FJz-HaG0DpZl-JW
Cheers.
I love the Fokker 50 and the Fokker 100.I was born and raised next to my hometown airport until I turned 14. I lived on the street that ran parallel to the runway. I have many childhood and teenage memories of seeing and hearing the operation at the local airport in Brazil, right next to home. When...
Jump to postPlanespotters shows 93 "active" Fokker 50's, but I think that's way, way overestimated. Apart from Air Panama and Amapola, plus I think one operator in Nigeria, I can't readily rattle off any other current operators. In any case, I'm very much looking forward to my first Fokker 50 rides i...
Jump to posthttps://ontimeaviation.net/noticias-mundo/da-australia-ate-o-panama-acompanhe-o-longo-traslado-do-futuro-fokker-50-da-air-panama/?fbclid=IwAR3cpMMZmif0gAKbv5HgvFtS-CAnxzW7fYqaaQVlNM2fF9XfSjX7YERvROE Interesting article. Just revert it to English. Also I don't think extra wing tanks have been install...
Jump to postJust landed in Penang (from Surabaya)....flight time 4 hours and 35 minutes.
Jump to postJust landed in Surabaya Juanda Airport (from Broome). Flight time roughly 3 hrs and 30 mins
Jump to postFor those interested, VH-FKZ left ADL earlier today and is not far away from landing in BME. First leg to BME took around 6 hours and 22 minutes. Its the first aircraft to be ferried to Panama. Air Panama bought the 5 Alliance F50s - 3 of them will fly to Panama whilst 2 of them will be broken up f...
Jump to postFor those interested, VH-FKZ left ADL earlier today and is not far away from landing in BME. First leg to BME took around 6 hours and 22 minutes. Its the first aircraft to be ferried to Panama. Air Panama bought the 5 Alliance F50s - 3 of them will fly to Panama whilst 2 of them will be broken up fo...
Jump to postPlanespotters shows 93 "active" Fokker 50's, but I think that's way, way overestimated. Apart from Air Panama and Amapola, plus I think one operator in Nigeria, I can't readily rattle off any other current operators. In any case, I'm very much looking forward to my first Fokker 50 rides i...
Jump to postAccording to Airfleets, there are now just a hundred (exactly) F50 registered: https://www.airfleets.net/exploit/production-f50.htm I see Alliance has 39 F70/F100 in the fleet, so the Fokkers will still fly in Australia. Interesting there are still 118 F70/100 still flying. https://www.airfleets.ne...
Jump to postSRQKEF wrote:I sympathise having had a long and fruitful relationship with the F50 here in Iceland too, before saying goodbye in early 2017. A unique aircraft for sure, great workhorse and that takeoff sound can't be mistaken!
Just quick enough so birds wouldn't hit you from the back. I remember the following joke on the F50. "Why does the Fokker 50 have de-icing boots on the rear of the wing?" "For when it get's overtaken by a stationary cold front" I wonder what the routes will be. Long way to go to...
Jump to postI wonder what the routes will be. Long way to go to Panama. I wonder if extra tanks with fuel will be installed in aircraft although the F50 is a fuel truck...can have just over 4,000kg of fuel. It has a pretty good range too (not sure in km)?
Jump to postUsed to fly the F50 on another airline, such a joy to fly them. Of course cruising at 220kts at FL180 in the middle of clouds and weather wasn't always comfortable, it sure was a blast. And parking it at terminal 4 at LHR, seeing the Concorde stand next to you was priceless. Only 220kts? The F50 ca...
Jump to postAlliance sold their five F50s, equipment and spare parts for $4.6 million
https://simpleflying.com/alliance-air-fokker-50-sale/
Used to fly the F50 on another airline, such a joy to fly them. Of course cruising at 220kts at FL180 in the middle of clouds and weather wasn't always comfortable, it sure was a blast. And parking it at terminal 4 at LHR, seeing the Concorde stand next to you was priceless. Only 220kts? The F50 ca...
Jump to postToday 14th of August marks the final day the Alliance F50s operate. QQ3241 just landed back in ADL. VH-FKZ conducted the last Alliance F50 flight. This brings to an end not only Alliance F50 services but a total of35 years of F50 services in Australia. A sad day - the F50 has been a workhorse in Au...
Jump to postThat market is one of the hardest to fill, but needed filling (the segment above the ATR 72/Dash 8 Q400 and the A319). The BAe146/Avro RJ would continue production until 2001, but an improved RJ was basically all but killed by Embraer's announcement of entry into the segment at the 1999 Paris Air S...
Jump to postThey had arguably the best and most advanced planes available at the time. I agree with the analysis, except for that sentence. Bear in mind the F50 was just an upgrade of the F27, the F100 of the F28; Fokker had only two Type Certificates in their portfolio. By the mid-90s, both were getting old. ...
Jump to postSwedish airline, Amapola Flyg, seems to be selling the Donegal PSO route on their website. https://www.amapola.nu/ Looks to be twice daily from 26 July with a Fokker 50! Because F50s (Fokker 50) are old aircraft. Are they sort of out of place or look weird/strange in terms of the while aviation spe...
Jump to postI think the translation is a bit off. It's not another 60 that where under construction, it's a single F60 that was under construction when Fokker closed. If I recall correctly just a single fuselage, no wings, gear, electronics etc. I don't think Fokker got around to getting the F60 certified for ...
Jump to postWithin the "Performance " section for the F50 we have five (?) different numbers; Series 100 - Max cruising speed 287kt, economical cruising speed 245kt. Series 300 - Typical cruising speed 526km/h (284kt). Range with 50 passengers and reserves at high speed cruise. ... or 1628nm for high...
Jump to postWhen I’ve operated around them in Europe they have always been limited to 210 KIAS maximum. Very frustrating if you get stuck behind one early in the descent or approach. I was told by someone who used to fly them the restriction was due to wing-spar life. So I suspect that the published figures ar...
Jump to postThe original F27 was slow at 250 kn cruise, but the HS748 was even slower at 244 kn. :o The Fokker 50 offered a small increase to 270 kn, but the totally re-designed BAe ATP still lags behind at 268 kn (ok, so it's a wash) Also, Re - speeds of the F50. You said 270 knots, is that figure for TAS (Tr...
Jump to post...some typical cruise data: - ATR42-300 (1984), Fokker 50 (1985), Dash 8-300 (1989), Saab 2000 (1993), ATR42-600 (2010). one aircraft you left out in that category is the SF340... IIRC another aircraft in that category was the Brazilia All good, except some of these are a bit lightweight. :lol: So...
Jump to postThere are other reasons that become apparent when you park a Fokker 27/50 next to a Dash-8 or ATR. I happened to park next to a nice Fokker 50 once and got some nice comparison photos with my ATR. The Fokker makes really inefficient use of the airframe/weight, ie it is heavy for what it does. The n...
Jump to postRegretfully, airframe durability and product quality carries a weight and a price, which in today's competitive air transport market is no longer such a hot issue. So airlines buy Embraer and ATR instead. There are other reasons that become apparent when you park a Fokker 27/50 next to a Dash-8 or ...
Jump to postWhen I’ve operated around them in Europe they have always been limited to 210 KIAS maximum. Very frustrating if you get stuck behind one early in the descent or approach. I was told by someone who used to fly them the restriction was due to wing-spar life. So I suspect that the published figures ar...
Jump to postHow slow is it? Slower than the ATR-72? Speed is only one of many, many aspects. For instance the Q400 is very fast, but there's always a price to pay for that. It consumes more fuel and has engines that are twice more powerful (5000 hp), while seating roughly the same amount of pax as the ATR-72 I...
Jump to postLet's look at some typical cruise data: - ATR42-300 (1984) cruise speed: 270 KTAS - engines deliver 2.000 shp each. - Fokker 50 (1985) cruise speed: 270 KTAS - max 305 KTAS engines deliver 2.500 shp each. - Dash 8-300 (1989) cruise speed: 287 KTAS - engines deliver 2.380 shp each. - Saab 2000 (1993...
Jump to postHi All, For some reason the Fokker 50 seems to be slower then other turboprop aircraft in the 50 to 58 seat category and slower then turboprops in the 19 to 40 seat category. Why is that? Why is it slow? I mean the aircraft has two Pratt and Whitney PW125B turboprop engines which can produce a maxim...
Jump to postWhat i find interesting is that (and this may seem strange) the Fokker 50 has a unique sound which is different from other turboprops. For example when it flies past you hear that prop sound first and then the jet sound and you continue to hear the jet sound long after it flies past. Compare it to ...
Jump to postIt's interesting to see so much love and appreciation for the F50. I had to suffer flying Air Panama (7P) F50s couple of times ... They are noisy, old, unreliable, and uncomfortable. But I do wonder if that's just 7P's F50s problem, which got grounded for a couple of days few months ago after suffe...
Jump to postI reiterate that flying the F50 is a MUCH MUCH nicer affair that say flying any Dash-8, the early ATRs, or the Saab 340. A very comfortable, mature machine. Old but gold. It's a wonder REKKOF doesn't make an updated version of the Fokker 50, with more seats like a 79 seat turboprop, more powerful e...
Jump to postI reiterate that flying the F50 is a MUCH MUCH nicer affair that say flying any Dash-8, the early ATRs, or the Saab 340. A very comfortable, mature machine. Old but gold. It's a wonder REKKOF doesn't make an updated version of the Fokker 50, with more seats like a 79 seat turboprop, more powerful e...
Jump to postI spent 3 years dispatching VLM Fokker 50's and I agree, it is indeed a fantastic aircraft. I've also dispatched ATR's, both 42 and 72 as well as Q400's and I couldn't stand them. The ATR's weren't as capable an aircraft and having the main door at the rear was a pain. The Q400 is just an unreliabl...
Jump to postCould the aircraft be used as a charter operation for transporting 7 to 8 pax over short and medium haul distances? There could be a niche for this aircrwft.
Jump to postI think there is one of these aircraft in Australia. I think it's.the only one in Australia. I'm not sure what it's role is though.
Jump to postIf I was mega rich then this is the aircraft I'd have to get from A to B. Why would you need to have a small jet. These aircraft fly at jet-like speeds and are probably cheaper to run then a jet. You could fly in this aircraft on short to medium haul routes
Jump to postHi all, Hope you're all well and getting ready for Christmas. I had a question about the Piaggio P.180 Avanti aircraft. This particular aircraft intrigues me. What makes this aircraft so quick? According to the website below it's maximum speed is 745 km per hour (or 402 knots true air speed). That's...
Jump to postWhat i find interesting is that (and this may seem strange) the Fokker 50 has a unique sound which is different from other turboprops. For example when it flies past you hear that prop sound first and then the jet sound and you continue to hear the jet sound long after it flies past. Compare it to t...
Jump to postYou are all probably wondering where I got my love for the F50 from. I am happy to explain. You may wish to refer to the aircraft by its proper name: Fokker 50 . Fokker 50 was the marketing name used for the aircraft by the manufacturer, its proper certification credentials are Fokker F27-Mk050. Af...
Jump to postYou are all probably wondering where I got my love for the F50 from. I am happy to explain. You may wish to refer to the aircraft by its proper name: Fokker 50 . Fokker 50 was the marketing name used for the aircraft by the manufacturer, its proper certification credentials are Fokker F27-Mk050. Af...
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