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by JonesNL
Wed Nov 20, 2019 2:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Any leaks, ideas, or otherwise: What is Airbus' next clean-sheet aircraft?
Replies: 287
Views: 35763

Re: Any leaks, ideas, or otherwise: What is Airbus' next clean-sheet aircraft?

Spend $10-20 billion for a speculated total market of around 3000 birds in 20 years or spend that money on a FSA to replace a tainted program with the certainty of selling +10.000 pieces in 20 years?
I know where I would place my bet...

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by JonesNL
Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders
Replies: 326
Views: 95704

Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

A320-200 orders AIR TANZANIA 11-Oct 2 AIR AUSTRAL 14-Oct 3 A320-neo orders TIGERAIR TAIWAN 22-Oct 7 INDIGO 31-Oct 87 AVIATION CAPITAL GROUP 31-Oct 3 A321-neo orders AIRASIA X MALAYSIA 9-Oct 30 UNDISCLOSED 10-Oct 2 CHINA AIRLINES 15-Oct 11 UNDISCLOSED 22-Oct 13 JETSMART 30-Oct 12 WIZZ AIR HUNGARY 30...

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by JonesNL
Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air France Studies Stretched Airbus "A220-500"
Replies: 121
Views: 19699

Re: Air France Studies Stretched Airbus "A220-500"

Skewed information. Actual deliveries with yearly improvements behind it: 2016 7 2017 17 140% 2018 34 100% 2019 44 (37 till september) 30% 2020 100+ (projected) 127% Only 2019 could be considered sluggish with 30%+ which is quite a an accomplishment. A320 production team would kill to get that numb...

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by JonesNL
Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air France Studies Stretched Airbus "A220-500"
Replies: 121
Views: 19699

Re: Air France Studies Stretched Airbus "A220-500"

A320 production team would kill to get that number... i think their plan is +5% in the next 3 years.... However, the A220 has to get beyond 100 per year, but i guess they will 2021.. best regards Thomas I was unaware of their plans of +5%. One would guess with the big orders dripping in an higher i...

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by JonesNL
Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:32 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air France Studies Stretched Airbus "A220-500"
Replies: 121
Views: 19699

Re: Air France Studies Stretched Airbus "A220-500"

Yes, it is quite intriguing why Airbus Canada Limited Partnership (ACLP) has not been able to significantly improve the production and delivery rate so far. It's intriguing if you know nothing about industrial manufacturing of large aircraft. For those who have at least a minimal experience in this...

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by JonesNL
Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What are KLM 737 replacement options?
Replies: 64
Views: 10087

Re: KLM 737 replacement options, A321XLR inevitable?

XLR is overkill for KLM. But comparing the MAX10 and the A321Neo shows that they are really close contenders, see https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1380965 . Unless they really need a small amount of XLR's (<20) than Airbus can get the order. But seeing that the strategy of KLM is to g...

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by JonesNL
Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A220 vs E-195E2, market battle already won by Airbus ?
Replies: 381
Views: 34995

Re: A220 vs E-195E2, market battle already won by Airbus ?

After eleven years of marketing, there are only about 500 orders.. and yet they sold about as many A223 in 2018 alone as Embraer sold E-195E2 in 6 years.... Yes, in 2018 when Airbus needed to show off with big deals just after the partnership was announced. It is a good thing for the C Series, but ...

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by JonesNL
Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air France Studies Stretched Airbus "A220-500"
Replies: 121
Views: 19699

Re: Air France Studies Stretched Airbus "A220-500"

That's gonna kill Boeing if Airbus goes through with a -500 stretch. We used to say that you can never beat a paper tiger. You have a concept airplane and you are talking about it destroying a real airplane. It is pretty obvious that the A321neo will be a gold mine for more than a decade. It will e...

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by JonesNL
Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air France Studies Stretched Airbus "A220-500"
Replies: 121
Views: 19699

Re: Air France Studies Stretched Airbus "A220-500"

NZ321 wrote:
Is there even a concept drawing for this aircraft and if so, what is the stretch over the -300 to the -500 under discussion?


Keesje has some drawings. The concept entails that the stretch would add 5 rows 25 seats and come around at a cost of 2.9t.

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by JonesNL
Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air France Studies Stretched Airbus "A220-500"
Replies: 121
Views: 19699

Re: Air France Studies Stretched Airbus "A220-500"

What does the A220-500 offer that the A320 doesn’t? Production slots? snip.. Furthermore, the 737-8 is better than A320 on shorter stage lengths due to lower weight, this switches with longer missions due to the A320's better L/D and better TSFC due to bigger fan diameter. The A220-500 would be bet...

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by JonesNL
Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air France Studies Stretched Airbus "A220-500"
Replies: 121
Views: 19699

Re: Air France Studies Stretched Airbus "A220-500"

Reddevil556 wrote:
What does the A220-500 offer that the A320 doesn’t?


Better CASM.

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by JonesNL
Mon Nov 04, 2019 11:59 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: NK Announces Upcoming Order of 100 Airbus A320neo Family Aircraft plus Purchase Options for a further 50
Replies: 190
Views: 35431

Re: Updated: NK Announces Upcoming Order of 100 Airbus A320neo Family Aircraft plus Purchase Options for a further 50

Either way, seems strange to me that not more people are picking up A220s given its economics. And that doesn't even factor in possible higher RASM from the comfortable interiors. Don't get me wrong, the A220-300 is a step in the right direction for smaller aircraft, and it's a large advantage for ...

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by JonesNL
Fri Nov 01, 2019 8:38 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Opinion: Airbus and how to move away from the A320 family
Replies: 100
Views: 13749

Re: Opinion: Airbus and how to move away from the A320 family

Airbus will only move when their order book is shrinking. At the moment they are getting more orders yearly than they can produce yearly. So introducing an clean sheet within the next 5 years would be the dumbest business move ever. But I could imagine that Airbus will introduce an cleansheet 322 in...

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by JonesNL
Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Opinion: Airbus and how to move away from the A320 family
Replies: 100
Views: 13749

Re: Opinion: Airbus and how to move away from the A320 family

If Boeing announces the FSA, than Airbus has no choice but to bring an clean sheet to the table. Same as story as the A350XWB. My guess is they will introduce the following in the various segments Model Pax A225 160-180 A420 180-200 A421 210-230 A422 240-260 The new A422 in turn would also cover the...

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by JonesNL
Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: IndiGo places firm order for 300 A320neo family aircraft
Replies: 116
Views: 22345

Re: IndiGo Prepares for Another 'Large' Airbus Order

Simple math for the needs of IndiGo when considering 25% growth

Year 2019 2020 2021 2022 2023 2024 2025 2026
Planes 225 281 351 439 549 686 858 1072

The order for 600 might be even too low given the expected growth and replacement needs.

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by JonesNL
Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: IndiGo places firm order for 300 A320neo family aircraft
Replies: 116
Views: 22345

Re: IndiGo Prepares for Another 'Large' Airbus Order

People dont care about comfort; see the success of ULCC's...

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by JonesNL
Mon Oct 14, 2019 12:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing examines GEnX powered 767
Replies: 545
Views: 86417

Re: Boeing examines GEnX powered 767

Just look at the numbers from Boeing since they stopped delivering 737. Both depend on their single aisle offerings more than anything. The success or failure of the widebodies is not important for the overall picture. Exactly this, 50% to 60% of all profits of the commercial aircraft division are ...

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by JonesNL
Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:42 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ranking the B737 models delivered per year
Replies: 4
Views: 1060

Re: Ranking the B737 models delivered per year

Airbus has an sheet in their recent Global Market Forecast that shows something similar regarding all aircraft types normalized based on seat count: https://verovenia.files.wordpress.com/2019/09/rolling-average.png It shows that the deliveries of the 175pax market has more than tripled(!!!!) in 10 y...

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by JonesNL
Tue Sep 24, 2019 9:56 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR
Replies: 540
Views: 115093

Re: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

What is the expected market size for the A350-1000ULR? Usually the LR variant don't pick-up that much orders. It seems like it is a niche that is mainly about prestige... Even if the -1000ULR is a niche (maybe 50 sales?) it will lay the ground for a MTOW increase for the normal -1000. This is reall...

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by JonesNL
Tue Sep 24, 2019 7:38 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR
Replies: 540
Views: 115093

Re: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

What is the expected market size for the A350-1000ULR? Usually the LR variant don't pick-up that much orders. It seems like it is a niche that is mainly about prestige...

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by JonesNL
Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:57 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus launching A220LR or XLR according to Jon Ostrower
Replies: 95
Views: 24692

Re: Airbus launching A220LR or XLR according to Jon Ostrower

Just getting started = 14 years since it was first announced? The C-series maybe. But now we're talking about the A220 in the hands of Airbus with all its might behind support, sales and innovation. A samurai sword is just that. But when wielded by the right hands ... Shall be backtrack to the BRX ...

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by JonesNL
Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:02 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Should Airbus standarize A321NEO/LR/XLR into a single version.
Replies: 56
Views: 7866

Re: Should Airbus standarize A321NEO/LR/XLR into a single version.

This needs a response. Firstly, where do you think Airbus Commercial Aircraft's operating margin of 9%+ (or nearly E5Bn ($6Bn) in 2018) comes from? https://www.airbus.com/content/dam/corporate-topics/financial-and-company-information/FY2018-Airbus-PRESENTATION.pdf The A330NEO? Just getting started ...

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by JonesNL
Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:51 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Should Airbus standarize A321NEO/LR/XLR into a single version.
Replies: 56
Views: 7866

Re: Should Airbus standarize A321NEO/LR/XLR into a single version.

This needs a response. Firstly, where do you think Airbus Commercial Aircraft's operating margin of 9%+ (or nearly E5Bn ($6Bn) in 2018) comes from? https://www.airbus.com/content/dam/corporate-topics/financial-and-company-information/FY2018-Airbus-PRESENTATION.pdf The A330NEO? Just getting started ...

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by JonesNL
Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:20 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Should Airbus standarize A321NEO/LR/XLR into a single version.
Replies: 56
Views: 7866

Re: Should Airbus standarize A321NEO/LR/XLR into a single version.

Given the production issues going on at the Airbus factories, the profit margin on a basic low weight A320neo is small if not nonexistent. Airbus needs airlines to upgrade to more expensive A321 versions to make the A320neo family more profitable. However it is important to have a basic stripped do...

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by JonesNL
Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:38 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: CASM numbers
Replies: 27
Views: 2934

CASM numbers

When comparing planes from A against B in the threads a lot of post mention Cost Per Available Seat Mile (CASM) as an important denominator. The purpose of this topic is to gather actual data regarding the CASM of different planes and airlines, so it is possible to do an factual comparison regarding...

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by JonesNL
Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Narrow Body Longhaul development thread
Replies: 117
Views: 12111

Re: Narrow Body Longhaul development thread

I agree thin longhaul will be market opening. But also for major airports (trunk lines) to add the alternative flight time that is only desirable to a smaller number of fliers. Lightsaber I agree, it doesn't make sense for the big hubs as it will add to the flight time. I wonder why Airbus has not ...

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by JonesNL
Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:32 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Narrow Body Longhaul development thread
Replies: 117
Views: 12111

Re: Narrow Body Longhaul development thread

One of the aspects I am most interested in is long haul from secondary airports. I always like smaller airports in favor of the big hubs as you get in and out in 30min tops. Also it is usually cheaper to park. But currently the market of long haul from small airports is nonexistent. So, I imagine Ei...

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by JonesNL
Fri Sep 06, 2019 1:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019
Replies: 4377
Views: 602524

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019

The fact that it has taken Boeing nearly a year, since the first accident to come up with an MCAS that may or may not work, or satisfy authorities both in the US and abroad, leads me to believe that it cannot be done.. We just had several posts on EASA's four conditions for RTS that should make it ...

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by JonesNL
Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:14 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019
Replies: 4377
Views: 602524

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019

Can someone please explain what a MAX 8 without MCAS would fly like under normal operations? and are we getting near to a situation where it is dropped altogether, in favour of just a new type rating. Well to quote the slides: Flight without MCAS (including high speed turns and stall) MCAS was spec...

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by JonesNL
Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:32 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019
Replies: 4377
Views: 602524

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019

... You can be sure that Boeing has gone beyond the minimum requirements to fix the issues. ... Minimum standards only apply for business as usual, when you fail badly, maximum standards will be applied. This is the case in all business, see the cosmic ray issue that even the FAA pointed out. You f...

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by JonesNL
Mon Sep 02, 2019 9:14 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019
Replies: 4377
Views: 602524

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019

PixelFlight wrote:
I wonder if there findings would be published to the public.


Well, the EASA requests were also not published to the public and somehow made it to all the papers in the world. If I were the FAA I would'nt bet that the findings will be kept under the rug...

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by JonesNL
Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:52 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019
Replies: 4377
Views: 602524

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019

More bad news for Boeing from the WSJ: https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-delays-could-keep-boeing-737-max-grounded-into-holiday-travel-season-11567376957 .... So this seems to be new news. One could read this as Boeing leadership not being proactive enough in being transparent, but it's also possibl...

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by JonesNL
Fri Aug 30, 2019 9:47 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A220 Developments : more of a match for A320neo than Airbus says
Replies: 308
Views: 53946

Re: Airbus A220 Developments : more of a match for A320neo than Airbus says

Airbus will launch the A225 after the others are bought out of the program, the production volumes put on a high output and the new orders for A320NEO are slowing down. The A225 has the potential to cut into the Bread and Butter (A320/737-8) segment which means the possibility of extreme high revenu...

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by JonesNL
Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019
Replies: 4377
Views: 602524

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019

Boeing faces first lawsuit from its B737max customers due to delivery delay. Russian firm Avia Capital Services (ACS), a unit of Russian's Rostec conglomerate is now suing Boeing to cancel an order for 35 B737max, claiming Boeing "intentionally" failed to disclose information about the ai...

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by JonesNL
Mon Aug 26, 2019 1:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What is Boeing’s overall commercial game plan?
Replies: 131
Views: 16080

Re: What is Boeing’s overall commercial game plan?

I think that the OP's overall premise is valid. I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT think Boeing is going to go out of business, but there are difficult times ahead imo. Boeing could go up to a year without revenue and cash flow from their cash cow product. The FAA will be sympathetic and will help to get the MAX ...

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by JonesNL
Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Any leaks, ideas, or otherwise: What is Airbus' next clean-sheet aircraft?
Replies: 287
Views: 35763

Re: Any leaks, ideas, or otherwise: What is Airbus' next clean-sheet aircraft?

So, you guys are saying that the likes of A220-800 or A350-8888 are inevitable in the near future...

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by JonesNL
Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:12 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Any leaks, ideas, or otherwise: What is Airbus' next clean-sheet aircraft?
Replies: 287
Views: 35763

Re: Any leaks, ideas, or otherwise: What is Airbus' next clean-sheet aircraft?

FluidFlow wrote:
......


Such is life in the duopoly world. Most money can be made by a modus operandi of "do nothing"...

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by JonesNL
Thu Aug 22, 2019 9:30 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019
Replies: 4377
Views: 602524

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019

Does Boeing need 3 AOA sensors for MCAS? I have read something from a Boeing engineer about how there was pressure to categorize the worst-case failure mode of MCAS as “severe” rather than “catastrophic”; the latter would have been disadvantageous to Boeing because it would then have been mandatory ...

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by JonesNL
Thu Aug 22, 2019 6:42 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Any leaks, ideas, or otherwise: What is Airbus' next clean-sheet aircraft?
Replies: 287
Views: 35763

Re: Any leaks, ideas, or otherwise: What is Airbus' next clean-sheet aircraft?

2016 is only three years ago. Back then some people were still very enthusiastic about the aircraft. What has happened to their opinion? What happened to slot constrained airports? What happened to mega-hubs? Not going to happen! Unfortunately, it is a plane nobody is asking for or is not possible ...

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by JonesNL
Thu Aug 22, 2019 6:39 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Any leaks, ideas, or otherwise: What is Airbus' next clean-sheet aircraft?
Replies: 287
Views: 35763

Re: Next clean sheet Airbus: A32x successor

Wouldn't achieving points 1 to 4 be enough to achieve the 5% DOC? Unlikely. .... Add them up and you have ~5% assuming everything works perfectly. But there is nothing stopping you retrofitting (2) and (3) to the detail design of existing aircraft - the change is really in what you do at the concep...

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by JonesNL
Wed Aug 21, 2019 1:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Any leaks, ideas, or otherwise: What is Airbus' next clean-sheet aircraft?
Replies: 287
Views: 35763

Re: Next clean sheet Airbus: A32x successor

For clarity of discussion, what is 5% DOC? Direct operating costs. Basically the bottom line for the airlines after fuel burn, maintenance, cost of purchase etc is added up. 1. Carbon NanoFibre infused resins will be the next step in composite materials. 2. Acceptance of Additive Layer Manufacturin...

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by JonesNL
Wed Aug 21, 2019 12:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Any leaks, ideas, or otherwise: What is Airbus' next clean-sheet aircraft?
Replies: 287
Views: 35763

Re: Next clean sheet Airbus: A32x successor

One can make the easy conclusion that there is significant improvements possible with new tech. Really? :? I had a post ready to go into the other thread, but now its merged to this, I'll rehash. As I said above in this thread, there are a number of technologies that are either entering use or appr...

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by JonesNL
Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:25 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Any leaks, ideas, or otherwise: What is Airbus' next clean-sheet aircraft?
Replies: 287
Views: 35763

Re: Next clean sheet Airbus: A32x successor

I think overall efficiency of aircraft is largely determined at this stage by fuel efficiency (engines, wings), operating cost (flexibility, MRO, standardization, labor) over the aircraft life time. Improving those without reinventing an aircraft ($15B) has been the dominant strategy over the last ...

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by JonesNL
Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:31 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Any leaks, ideas, or otherwise: What is Airbus' next clean-sheet aircraft?
Replies: 287
Views: 35763

Re: Next clean sheet Airbus: A32x successor

I think Airbus is in the lead in the NB segment. Sales, backlogs, forecasts andupgrade potential of current types seem to confirm that. ...... ....... Although you are right at this very moment but even if they announce the new A32x tomorrow, it will take until 2027-28 for the bird to be in full se...

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by JonesNL
Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:37 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Any leaks, ideas, or otherwise: What is Airbus' next clean-sheet aircraft?
Replies: 287
Views: 35763

Next clean sheet Airbus: A32x successor

Based on reports and info from Airbus representatives it looks like the next clean sheet will be the successor of the A32x. The reasoning behind this is that they have forecasted that the small airliner market will be 54% $3.2 trillion of the total commercial passenger airliner market in the next 20...

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by JonesNL
Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:37 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A220 Developments : more of a match for A320neo than Airbus says
Replies: 308
Views: 53946

Re: Airbus A220 Developments : more of a match for A320neo than Airbus says

With some exceptions all A320s are built on the same line as all A321s. If they are converting all the lines to produce the A225 then Airbus can’t fulfill their A321 production obligations. True, but I think it is feasible to have some of the FALs just to focus on the A321 and retool some of them j...

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by JonesNL
Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:34 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A220 Developments : more of a match for A320neo than Airbus says
Replies: 308
Views: 53946

Re: Airbus A220 Developments : more of a match for A320neo than Airbus says

Next to th A321s, Airbus has 4000+ A320NEO's in the backlog, 4000.. those can take up to 186 passengers over 3500M and can do cargo containers. It's not exactly a dead program. It is highly successful now and it is fully booked for 6-7 years. But seeing that there are more orders for the A321 alrea...

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by JonesNL
Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:10 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR
Replies: 540
Views: 115093

Re: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Question: What would be the order potential of the A350-1000ULR? Because I don't see a lot of routes that are interesting for such a long range. Maybe some of the freedom routes might become obsolete, but beyond that and the routes to Australia and New Zealand I am not seeing many routes.

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by JonesNL
Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:06 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest, a stalwart Boeing 737 MAX customer, eyes other jets
Replies: 204
Views: 33789

Re: Southwest, a stalwart Boeing 737 MAX customer, eyes other jets

The A220 would be an option if Airbus is able to pump out 60 p/month to fill in the demand. I am not seeing that happening anytime soon.

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by JonesNL
Thu Aug 15, 2019 8:31 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A220 Developments : more of a match for A320neo than Airbus says
Replies: 308
Views: 53946

Re: Airbus A220 Developments : more of a match for A320neo than Airbus says

I think Airbus is waiting until they can perfect the manufacturing of the A220 and buy out other shareholders before starting with the A225. Also an engine upgrade in the form of the RR Ultrafan might be in play. Such an aircraft would have 30% improvement over the current A320NEO. Currently airline...

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