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by dstblj52
Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:54 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: No scope clause changes and no new E1-175 replacement beyond 2027 ?
Replies: 71
Views: 9862

Re: No scope clause changes and no new E1-175 replacement beyond 2027 ?

Alaska Airlines doesn't have a scope clause. I'm not sure if that gives the an advantage or not. Management isn't stupid enough to try putting 737s at their wholly owned regional operator Horizon (QX), and I don't think Skywest could operate a 737 given their operations with other major carriers. I...

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by dstblj52
Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:12 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1698
Views: 346807

Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Wow, they're down to just 28 active CR9s? I knew YV was struggling, but...yikes!. What percentage of regional flying are they doing in the PHX and DFW hubs? It seemed to me YV was still contributing quite a bit to the Eagle ops in PHX, so I'd be curious to know what the plan is if/when they go away...

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by dstblj52
Thu Jun 30, 2022 6:13 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: No scope clause changes and no new E1-175 replacement beyond 2027 ?
Replies: 71
Views: 9862

Re: No scope clause changes and no new E1-175 replacement beyond 2027 ?

Quick scope question: Are there large-ish airlines with either no union, or no scope clause? And do these airlines have a significant competetive advantage of scope-clause airlines? Alaska Airlines doesn't have a scope clause. I'm not sure if that gives the an advantage or not. Management isn't stu...

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by dstblj52
Thu Jun 23, 2022 8:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: LHR reallocates landing slots belonging to Aeroflot.
Replies: 38
Views: 8748

Re: LHR reallocates landing slots belonging to Aeroflot.

I wonder what the terms of these slot allocations will be. Does the CAA reserve the right to give back to SU if the war against Ukraine ends, given the UK-Russia bilateral deal of access to each other will no doubt incur a tit-for-tat once relations are attempted to be normalised. I.e. don't get to...

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by dstblj52
Tue Jun 14, 2022 6:43 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What next for Airbus?
Replies: 100
Views: 18111

Re: What next for Airbus?

Airbus and Boeing will most likely be the ones building these hybrid/electric aircraft. Tesla has zero experience in the commercial aircraft market. 15 years ago you would say Volkswagen and Toyota will most likely be the ones building emission free cars today. Tesla had zero experience mass produc...

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by dstblj52
Sun Jun 12, 2022 6:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1698
Views: 346807

Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

AA does not want to be put in the position they and Delta were in a couple decades ago where one one huge wholly owned affiliate controlled all, or nearly all, of their regional flying. Having multiple options prevents a single regional strike or work action from crippling the airline. Those risks ...

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by dstblj52
Sun Jun 12, 2022 4:04 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1698
Views: 346807

Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

"Piedmont Airlines" might not mean anything to modern travelers, but AA might still hold enough value in it to preserve the trademark so no one else can use it to start/rename an airline. That said, consolidation between AA's wholly owned regionals is inevitable. It's a lot of unnecessary...

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by dstblj52
Wed Jun 08, 2022 9:23 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 737 MAX 10 Uncertainty Potentially holding up 16 billion dollars worth of Sales
Replies: 170
Views: 34134

Re: 737 MAX 10 Uncertainty Potentially holding up 16 billion dollars worth of Sales

Congress ought to extend the deadline for the 737-10 and 737-7. Everyone knows will be the last 737 derivative models. They are the same generation as the 737-8 and 737-9. I really don't see the problem. Both models were in the works before the horrible 737-8 crashes in in 2018 and 2019. There won'...

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by dstblj52
Mon Jun 06, 2022 11:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM halted ticket sales at Amsterdam Airport (27 May)
Replies: 81
Views: 18923

Re: KLM halting ticket sales at Amsterdam Airport between now and Monday

VanBosch wrote:
So a 80 minute connection from a SH flight to the US seems madness right? I may need to rethink my trip.

Your best move might be to get an AF connection through Paris would probably be more reliable

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by dstblj52
Mon Jun 06, 2022 4:53 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: British Airways' golden age: Telegraph article on how BA will get it back
Replies: 120
Views: 20531

Re: British Airways' golden age: Telegraph article on how BA will get it back

That's a dogmatic and unreflected way of looking at it. BA have a dominant position at a significantly constrained airport and command premium fares. The structure of competition is very different from what you describe. No free coffee is one thing, operational meltdowns that are regular occurrence...

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by dstblj52
Sun Jun 05, 2022 1:22 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What will happen to shorter routes when airlines replace 50 seaters?
Replies: 114
Views: 17746

Re: What will happen to shorter routes when airlines replace 50 seaters?

Alot of the "electric startups" some of the big 3 have invested in are all turboprop. Embraer has reveled there new turboprop reginal. The flying public will just have to get over it. "electric startups" are nothing more than pie-in-the-sky concepts. By the time the E3 flies and...

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by dstblj52
Sun Jun 05, 2022 1:13 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Could retired pilots help the pilot shortage?
Replies: 39
Views: 6933

Re: Could retired pilots help the pilot shortage?

Generally at the mainline careers the shortage is of training capacity necessary to move people onto the hardest stressed domestic operations, whereas the true crew shortages are at regionals which pay a lot worse and are really only interesting if your planning to build a career and need the hours

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by dstblj52
Sat Jun 04, 2022 3:10 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Fleet Thread - 2022
Replies: 1063
Views: 218660

Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2022

Unconfirmed by anything I would deemsuper credible but supposedly may start to see some of the acquired second hand 739s start to be inducted / through maintenance starting late summer and starting to enter service this fall. My unsubstantiated opinion is that there isn’t a huge hurry to get them i...

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by dstblj52
Sat Jun 04, 2022 1:45 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread
Replies: 680
Views: 86723

Re: United States Essential Air Service (EAS) Thread

I think countours biggest issue will be the pilot shortage. EAS operators often fly networks like these. Pilots and cabin crew i see their real issue. If you dont pay comperatively they will have some real turnover for the foreseeable future. That causes huge issues. They can fly non rev flights an...

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by dstblj52
Fri Jun 03, 2022 7:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Vueling flight departs LGW without its passengers
Replies: 23
Views: 9326

Re: Vueling flight departs LGW without its passengers

Vuelings handing agent failing is not beyond vuelings control they could choose a different contractor or self handle I think at this point in time you will have the same issues with every contractor, and self handling is a massive investment of both cost and time to train or even just get new peop...

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by dstblj52
Wed Jun 01, 2022 4:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Vueling flight departs LGW without its passengers
Replies: 23
Views: 9326

Re: Vueling flight departs LGW without its passengers

Staff shortages meant the operation of boarding was constantly delayed, and ultimately the pilot decided to fly the plane empty for positioning purposes as Florence air space was going to close on them. Utterly pathetic. The compensation claims are going to hit these airlines hard. https://www.theg...

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by dstblj52
Tue May 31, 2022 11:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: JetBlue Makes Hostile Takeover Offer for Spirit
Replies: 1406
Views: 179768

Re: JetBlue Makes Hostile Takeover Offer for Spirit

Rejecting a flat out obvious better offer and not even try to up the frontier price and when half the spirit board were appointed during the Indigo ownership days under Bill Franke, and they are just like 'nope, we want to go with F9" and not even do a a market check like every other M&A h...

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by dstblj52
Sat May 28, 2022 4:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL proactively trimming schedules July 1 - August 7
Replies: 114
Views: 22115

Re: DL proactively trimming schedules July 1 - August 7

Everyone did; it's not an excuse for overscheduling your resources. Certain other airlines (like AS and B6) are also doing it, and we're currently seeing the results of that now with big frequency pulldowns and route cuts. AA and UA seem to be having better luck with their staffing, it seems. Certa...

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by dstblj52
Fri May 27, 2022 11:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL proactively trimming schedules July 1 - August 7
Replies: 114
Views: 22115

Re: DL proactively trimming schedules July 1 - August 7

Delta had planned on the pandemic to be a protracted recovery. Everyone did; it's not an excuse for overscheduling your resources. Certain other airlines (like AS and B6) are also doing it, and we're currently seeing the results of that now with big frequency pulldowns and route cuts. AA and UA see...

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by dstblj52
Fri May 27, 2022 11:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: EU is banning import of Tetraethyllead (for Avgas 100LL) from 2025
Replies: 38
Views: 7796

Re: EU is banning import of Tetraethyllead (for Avgas 100LL) from 2025

The Continental/Technify engines are very reliable and efficient and easy to operate. I can climb with my aircraft to 18.000 ft and still get quite good performance. Fuel consumption on a DA42 is just about 10 gallons for both engines together, running on 70 % power. You usually fuel up with Jet-A1...

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by dstblj52
Wed May 25, 2022 6:15 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A350-900 now has a 283t MTOW
Replies: 126
Views: 26578

Re: A350-900 now has a 283t MTOW

The great Steve Jobs said it great, "if you don't cannibalize yourself, someone else will.". Hence being able to likely not need -ULR in your own A359 product. The plane is already the perfect fit for most airlines, so naturally it's improvements make the business case even better. At the...

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by dstblj52
Sun May 22, 2022 4:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cape Air Suspends First Officer Hiring
Replies: 32
Views: 8593

Re: Cape Air Suspends First Officer Hiring

zuckie13 wrote:
Serious question - How many flights do they actually need an FO on? Aren't all the planes in their fleet single pilot certified?

Most of them are single pilot but they require an atp, which means they can also go regional fo

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by dstblj52
Sun May 22, 2022 3:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 1046
Views: 213995

Re: Delta Network Thread - 2022

So the burning question now is what does DL do once the 767 and 757s inevitably exit the fleet? Any tertiary cities in Europe would be a non-starter with the smallest widebody which would be the 332. I see them continuing to just fly the trunk routes with A350s and 339s and letting AF/KL do the res...

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by dstblj52
Sun May 22, 2022 9:38 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cape Air Suspends First Officer Hiring
Replies: 32
Views: 8593

Re: Cape Air Suspends First Officer Hiring

As WayexTDI mentioned employee loyalty went the way of the dodo long long ago. In many cases the company really only cares enough to keep you around, so they don't really do anything to gain an employee's loyalty. I'd also argue employee loyalty means even less in a unionized seniority environment....

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by dstblj52
Sun May 22, 2022 8:48 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cape Air Suspends First Officer Hiring
Replies: 32
Views: 8593

Re: Cape Air Suspends First Officer Hiring

Pay and benefits aside, doesn't it lack integrity to break contract at all with any employer, assuming things do not get worse or surprises appear? Can you get hit with future employers for doing so? I understand the pay and benefits are low, though do we need to be so cutthroat and ditch our emplo...

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by dstblj52
Sat May 21, 2022 11:16 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cape Air Suspends First Officer Hiring
Replies: 32
Views: 8593

Re: Cape Air Suspends First Officer Hiring

I’m surprised they kept it as long as they did; FO’s aren’t even required on 98% of their flights. Everyone knew going in that the agreement was to trade an ATP for a year as a captain, and almost everyone immediately forgot what they agreed to as soon as they hit 1500 hours. The training contract ...

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by dstblj52
Fri May 20, 2022 6:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2022
Replies: 456
Views: 70998

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2022

I was reading references of regionals flying 737's and what not in Australia is scope not a thing over there?

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by dstblj52
Fri May 20, 2022 12:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American to Start Bus service from ACY and ABE
Replies: 149
Views: 22568

Re: American to Start Bus service from ACY and ABE

I wonder if there would be any value in doing something similar from downtown locations to avoid long lines at larger hubs. If you could go through security and board a bus in downtown Atlanta for example, and hope a bus, would that offer some savings? I know we haven't been able to make helicopter...

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by dstblj52
Wed May 18, 2022 1:23 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Biden Admin. to ease Cuba travel restrictions
Replies: 45
Views: 8920

Re: Biden Admin. to ease Cuba travel restrictions

The US market will likely stay South Florida (and maybe Tampa) to HAV and now a few other markets on the island direct from South Florida. The rest of the USA will stay Houston-Havana to capture west of the Mississippi and North Jersey/NYC to Havana for the North East. What else could they add? DL ...

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by dstblj52
Tue May 17, 2022 8:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest Airlines News and Discussion Thread - 2022
Replies: 1072
Views: 211564

Re: Any possibility of WN adding bus service to airports not currently served by WN?

Gee, I thought WN was bus service! :D That was actually their initial competition in their beginning. Buses have too many variables that can affect on time performance, IMO. They don't want to deal with it. If Republic is successful in their LIFT program getting an exception from the feds to have p...

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by dstblj52
Tue May 17, 2022 7:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Biden Admin. to ease Cuba travel restrictions
Replies: 45
Views: 8920

Re: Biden Admin. to ease Cuba travel restrictions

Once again, there is no restriction on Americans VISITING Cuba. What Americans are not allowed to do is SPEND MONEY in Cuba. THAT is how the "embargo" works. Americans have, for decades, gotten around this by traveling to a third country, such as The Bahamas or Mexico, purchased everythin...

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by dstblj52
Tue May 17, 2022 7:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What will happen to shorter routes when airlines replace 50 seaters?
Replies: 114
Views: 17746

Re: What will happen to shorter routes when airlines replace 50 seaters?

in all seriousness, the biggest market gap I currently see is a 35-60 seat high-speed turboprop, essentially, somebody needs to redesign the DHC-8-300 with a significantly quieter cabin and the possibility of an electric engine retrofit... A turboprop doesn't in any way fix the pilot/FA/GA labor ef...

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by dstblj52
Tue May 17, 2022 7:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta and DALPA's Agreement in Principle re Global Scope
Replies: 38
Views: 6601

Re: Delta and DALPA's Agreement in Principle re Global Scope

Was this what the Delta pilots were picketing about? I am so out of the loop on this. What does this ultimately mean in terms of flying? Will this mean more widebody aircraft orders perhaps? Can someone explain this in dummy terms? LOL!! Ultimately not yet clear it basically turns all of delta's fl...

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by dstblj52
Thu May 12, 2022 11:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Republic Airways seeks exemption from 1500 hour CFR rule
Replies: 77
Views: 9538

Re: Republic Airways seeks exemption from 1500 hour CFR rule

There are some things that would help at the margins-for example, I read that pilots used to be able to build time relatively cheaply on ultralights, but the FAA cut that off for whatever reason. I'd allow pilots to put up to 750 hours in ultralights towards credit for the 1500 hours. I'd also be w...

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by dstblj52
Thu May 12, 2022 7:02 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: EasyJet to take out seats so it can fly with fewer crew.
Replies: 86
Views: 14056

Re: EasyJet to take out seats so it can fly with fewer crew.

Others are very much in the same boat so don't see how that could be. How do you know it's because of pay? Many other factors have influenced the recruitment problems. Because no one who offers top dollar and top conditions has these issues ergo it's their failure to offer those things which is cau...

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by dstblj52
Thu May 12, 2022 5:29 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: EasyJet to take out seats so it can fly with fewer crew.
Replies: 86
Views: 14056

Re: EasyJet to take out seats so it can fly with fewer crew.

3. In the event of delay/cancellation and pax going to small claims for Reg 261 compensation, U2 can show they took reasonable steps and makes any defence on exceptional circumstance grounds more robust. Failing to pay people enough to staff airplanes is not an exceptional circumstance. Others are ...

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by dstblj52
Thu May 12, 2022 5:21 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Republic Airways seeks exemption from 1500 hour CFR rule
Replies: 77
Views: 9538

Re: Republic Airways seeks exemption from 1500 hour CFR rule

In my opinion the 1500 hour rule was political to show something was done and solve a pilot surplus. Politically, there must be a solution to the pilot shortage. It is unacceptable to enough people that RJs are being parked (no matter the reason), that there will be changes. Sorry if I wasn't clear...

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by dstblj52
Tue Dec 21, 2021 1:59 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: ATL Documentary Video - "The Secret Life of Airports"
Replies: 19
Views: 4259

Re: ATL Documentary Video - "The Secret Life of Airports"

WrldTravlr65 wrote:
Have flown through there twice. Not impressed. And never again.

Atlanta...hard to believe a city its size has the busiest airport in the USA, much less the world.

which other large airports are better?

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by dstblj52
Tue Dec 21, 2021 1:58 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: ATL Documentary Video - "The Secret Life of Airports"
Replies: 19
Views: 4259

Re: ATL Documentary Video - "The Secret Life of Airports"

Watched parts of this yesterday. Very interesting and unique look at the inner workings of one of the world's busiest airports. ATL is an awful airport but Delta runs an impressive operation there and clearly its success with logistics can be attributed to the sheer scale of what ATL is for DL. Won...

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by dstblj52
Sun Dec 19, 2021 4:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United CEO Tells Senate Panel that 100 Regional Jets are Grounded Because of the Pilot Shortage
Replies: 153
Views: 16930

Re: United CEO Tells Senate Panel that 100 Regional Jets are Grounded Because of the Pilot Shortage

Let's be clear about this.... There is not a pilot shortage. There is, however, a shortage of pilots willing to fly regionals for what United wants to pay them, when so many other opportunities are available. It is not 2008, anymore. Then, by definition, this IS a pilot shortage no matter what way ...

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by dstblj52
Fri Dec 17, 2021 9:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United CEO Tells Senate Panel that 100 Regional Jets are Grounded Because of the Pilot Shortage
Replies: 153
Views: 16930

Re: United CEO Tells Senate Panel that 100 Regional Jets are Grounded Because of the Pilot Shortage

So to clarify - UA utilizing a 19 passenger electric aircraft needs 2 pilots - are both required to have 1500 hours of flight time? A 9 seat passenger aircraft can operate with one pilot. Does he need a ATP or just a just a 250 hour commercial license? Am I missing something from Kirby's comment th...

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by dstblj52
Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:04 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why does CLT have so many flights to Germany?
Replies: 16
Views: 4763

Re: Why does CLT have so many flights to Germany?

BMW, Daimler Truck, Mercedes-Benz, ZF, Robert Bosch... I think BMW is the cash cow out of those. Mercedes-Benz US HQ is in ATL. Their only US (car) plants are in Vance, AL. That (and Porsche) would be why DL flies ATLSTR. (STR being their global HQs). CLT-MUC wouldn’t really help a MB employee… Dai...

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by dstblj52
Fri Dec 10, 2021 3:09 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL and the Winter Storm Watches in SLC and MSP
Replies: 53
Views: 8015

Re: DL and the Winter Storm Watches in SLC and MSP

I wonder how the shortage of truck drivers will impact snow removal at airports. Are all the drivers full time year round airport employees ? You would need a lot of drivers for a major storm. I ask because here in Northeast Ohio, the State is running ads looking for seasonal plow drivers, Private ...

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by dstblj52
Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:34 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: NYC (JFK/EWR/LGA/SWF/HPN/ISP) Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 552
Views: 35291

Re: JFK and the lack of low-cost carriers

NYC was after WN for yearrrrrrsssss to enter JFK, and by the late '90s, were offering all manner of incentives to do so. WN didn't bite. "New Air" however, did-- we know them today as "JetBlue," and their very existence is testament to the fact that WN can F-up just as badly as ...

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by dstblj52
Sun Nov 07, 2021 3:23 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Hub Facilities
Replies: 160
Views: 29410

Re: American Airlines Hub Facilities

I have to say, I passed through SLC for the first time in a LONG time yesterday and their new terminal is absolutely outstanding. It's just impeccably designed and user-friendly - add to that the ease of using the airport (I actually left and had lunch in downtown SLC with a friend before going bac...

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by dstblj52
Sun Nov 07, 2021 1:03 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Hub Facilities
Replies: 160
Views: 29410

Re: American Airlines Hub Facilities

Frankly, every carrier has good facilities and poor facilities. C/D at IAD for United is a dump but rarely crowded so I suppose its workable. ATL is a dump; a crowded dump, that is. DTW is very nice. MSP is fine. AA's T8 at JFK is very nice. UA's renovations at LAX were nice and the facility looks ...

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by dstblj52
Sat Nov 06, 2021 10:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AAnother Meltdown
Replies: 289
Views: 46538

Re: AAnother Meltdown

if it's weather the regionals take the brunt if it's a meltdown it's roughly equal if it's staffing their not correlated easy test.

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by dstblj52
Fri Nov 05, 2021 1:17 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus blasted by leasing companies over plans to lift jet production
Replies: 231
Views: 33229

Re: Airbus blasted by leasing companies over plans to lift jet production

There is plenty of demand in growing countries like India for more direct services. I've spoken to Indian Colleagues from large cities that don't have good connecting services to the metrolpolises of India where old A32X and 737s would easily find service if they were only cheaper to acquire. It wo...

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by dstblj52
Wed Nov 03, 2021 5:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: FT: Risks of Airbus passing 60% market share.
Replies: 92
Views: 17005

Re: FT: Risks of Airbus passing 60% market share.

Nobody knows for sure. I suspect MAX, 787 and 777X struggles are the tip of an iceberg. We are drifting off topic but the tanker quality issues and the space capsule problems point to a pretty widespread malaise at the company. Boeing will survive but it is going to take time and how it is after re...

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by dstblj52
Sun Oct 24, 2021 5:00 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated March 24: Boeing's Fatal Flaw, Former Chief Technical Pilot Acquitted
Replies: 654
Views: 91503

Re: Updated: Boeing's Fatal Flaw, former Chief Technical Pilot indicted

I see a worrying development of settlements solving criminal, regulatory, strategic, legal irregularities. Worrying, because usually settlements are a win-win. Victims need to get on with their lives and use the financial compensation to invest in their future. The defendants, often large companies...

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