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by LyleLanley
Sun Dec 05, 2021 7:13 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Large movement of C-17s into March ARB (RIV) today (12/04/21)
Replies: 2
Views: 633

Re: Large movement of C-17s into March ARB (RIV) today (12/04/21)

Divert due to weather (low vis) at original destination.

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by LyleLanley
Tue Oct 26, 2021 3:28 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Boeing KC-46 News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2021
Replies: 108
Views: 24187

Re: Boeing KC-46 News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2021

Are the F-117's officially back? I thought they were just doing 'aggressor' squadrons via a contractor. They're (F-117s) back in the refueling manual. Before last year, you would have their ops limits and receiver info handed to you as part of your mission materials since the aircraft wasn't "...

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by LyleLanley
Sat Oct 16, 2021 2:40 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Boeing KC-46 News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2021
Replies: 108
Views: 24187

Re: Boeing KC-46 News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2021

Nope, not at all. Canopy strikes suck regardless of platform. The issue is with the 46 you can often be in the perfect scene selection but still have the last foot or two of boom be unfocused or otherwise unclear. Combined with a stealth airframe, you just cannot see that you’ve hit outside their re...

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by LyleLanley
Tue Oct 12, 2021 2:26 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Engine choices for the future C-17 replacement?
Replies: 80
Views: 4629

Re: Engine choices for the future C-17 replacement?

Like the Galaxy club of yore, I was born too late. That sounds like the place to go! KMCC is the Kaiserslautern military community center. Imagine billeting, restaurants, the BX and food court all rolled into one. You can also rent a car there and explore Europe on the government's dime (travel vouc...

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by LyleLanley
Tue Oct 12, 2021 2:15 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: KC-46 now cleared to operationally refuel some aircraft
Replies: 69
Views: 8086

Re: KC-46 now cleared to operationally refuel some aircraft

There's a difference in meaning between refueling and refueling operationally. Day-to-day refueling has been happening for years with the KC-46. Training between 46 on 46, 46 and C-17, 46 and fighters, etc. has been ongoing for years during normal training events. Operational refueling, for instance...

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by LyleLanley
Tue Oct 12, 2021 2:05 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Engine choices for the future C-17 replacement?
Replies: 80
Views: 4629

Re: Engine choices for the future C-17 replacement?

I'm sorry if I was unclear (but I don't think I was). If you put 4 GeNXs on any plane similar in size to a C-17, you will have way more thrust, drag, cost, and weight than needed. Like 50% more. You're good. Your opening post seemed more about a C-17 replacement, which doesn't necessarily mean an a...

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by LyleLanley
Tue Oct 12, 2021 1:56 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Engine choices for the future C-17 replacement?
Replies: 80
Views: 4629

Re: Engine choices for the future C-17 replacement?

Curious then with the KC-10. Does the diversion scenario differs if the center engine fails as opposed to one of the wing engine? With the loss of the center you don't have to fight the stabilizer but you have to deal with the pitch imbalance. bt Nope, not at all. In fact, a two engine go-around is...

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by LyleLanley
Tue Oct 12, 2021 12:08 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Engine choices for the future C-17 replacement?
Replies: 80
Views: 4629

Re: Engine choices for the future C-17 replacement?

4 engines = no need to worry about ETOPS and more options. ETOPS is a civilian requirement. Not sure if it was ever flowed to the Military side. My sense is that all the extra thrust from the additional engines are for short field performance. bt What Galaxy said. But otr, the KC-46 is certified fo...

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by LyleLanley
Mon Oct 11, 2021 7:48 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: KC-46 now cleared to operationally refuel some aircraft
Replies: 69
Views: 8086

Re: KC-46 now cleared to operationally refuel some aircraft

MRTT can have a main deck cargo door (eg Germany), France have opted for main deck cargo doors on their follow on order. The door is a just a STC that can be applied to any A330. It is be put in place during production, or as a post production modification. Nothing stopping any MRTT customer opting...

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by LyleLanley
Mon Oct 11, 2021 7:18 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Engine choices for the future C-17 replacement?
Replies: 80
Views: 4629

Re: Engine choices for the future C-17 replacement?

De-rated Gen-X The lowest rated GenX has 70k thrust. You need 40k thrust. That’s not a derate it’s a new engine. Who says a future C-17 replacement needs exactly the same thrust as the current C-17? Derate to low 60s for life expectancy and you've got a decent engine for this mythical jet. 4 engine...

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by LyleLanley
Mon Oct 11, 2021 7:14 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: KC-46 now cleared to operationally refuel some aircraft
Replies: 69
Views: 8086

Re: KC-46 now cleared to operationally refuel some aircraft

Nothing like showing up on Lajes Approach and find yourself in the hold, number 12 for landing. Overflew Wake when one of those 2am diverts was in progress. Wow! I was bored, tuned up the Wake VHF and was stunned to hear the number landing. Been there! Was part of a 15-ship that diverted transatlan...

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by LyleLanley
Mon Oct 11, 2021 7:11 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: KC-46 now cleared to operationally refuel some aircraft
Replies: 69
Views: 8086

Re: KC-46 now cleared to operationally refuel some aircraft

The MRTT has no centerline drogue if there is a boom installed (the KC-45 would have). As you can see, they're NOT THE SAME AIRCRAFT, so please stop insinuating such.[/url] Let's be honest, this is a pointless comparison/argument. The KC-46 still doesn't have operationally employable WARPS, the MRT...

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by LyleLanley
Mon Oct 11, 2021 7:01 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: KC-46 now cleared to operationally refuel some aircraft
Replies: 69
Views: 8086

Re: KC-46 now cleared to operationally refuel some aircraft

MRTT can have a main deck cargo door (eg Germany), France have opted for main deck cargo doors on their follow on order. The door is a just a STC that can be applied to any A330. It is be put in place during production, or as a post production modification. Nothing stopping any MRTT customer opting...

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by LyleLanley
Mon Oct 11, 2021 6:44 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Lockheed reveals new LMXT refueling tanker
Replies: 197
Views: 18506

Re: Lockheed reveals new LMXT refueling tanker

Could you explain a little more what you mean by "over that?" The contract civilian operators like bikerthai mentioned or some other change in how the USAF does business? Just curious. The USAF is no longer interested in the dual-role mission of dragging fighters while hauling the fighter...

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by LyleLanley
Tue Oct 05, 2021 1:58 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Lockheed reveals new LMXT refueling tanker
Replies: 197
Views: 18506

Re: Lockheed reveals new LMXT refueling tanker

ThePointblank wrote:
Unless the intention is for the tanker to also carry cargo to support a large fighter drag across the ocean.


The USAF is over that, but it’s a great option for most other air arms.

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by LyleLanley
Tue Oct 05, 2021 1:53 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: KC-46 now cleared to operationally refuel some aircraft
Replies: 69
Views: 8086

Re: KC-46 now cleared to operationally refuel some aircraft

Thanks gents. Hopefully not retired for a long time! Cargo on a tanker is really just a bonus, these days. If you’re not dragging fighters cargo on a tanker is great. Free real estate. Dual roles are another matter: It used to be the AF was keen to do both at the same time, but there are too many mo...

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by LyleLanley
Mon Oct 04, 2021 9:54 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: KC-46 now cleared to operationally refuel some aircraft
Replies: 69
Views: 8086

Re: KC-46 now cleared to operationally refuel some aircraft

Ah, I think I see where your logic train jumps its rails: when you read MRTT, you seem to think it's synonymous with the KC-45 or KC-X. Unfortunately, they're NOT THE SAME AIRCRAFT! The MRTT never competed against the KC-46; the KC-45 did. The MRTT was never selected over the KC-46; the KC-45 was. T...

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by LyleLanley
Mon Oct 04, 2021 7:16 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: KC-46 now cleared to operationally refuel some aircraft
Replies: 69
Views: 8086

Re: KC-46 now cleared to operationally refuel some aircraft

Certainly the RAF and I expect all NATO forces, in particular those who do a lot of operations, can operate aircraft in NBC conditions, quite frankly if the instant sunshine, the ‘N’ part starts appearing then refueling mostly tactical aircraft will then seem somewhat irrelevant! Certainly last tim...

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by LyleLanley
Mon Oct 04, 2021 7:10 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Lockheed reveals new LMXT refueling tanker
Replies: 197
Views: 18506

Re: Lockheed reveals new LMXT refueling tanker

texl1649 wrote:
Smart words


Which is exactly why I’m pretty confident in saying the USAF will pass on this jet and go for more 46s.

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by LyleLanley
Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:25 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Lockheed reveals new LMXT refueling tanker
Replies: 197
Views: 18506

Re: Lockheed reveals new LMXT refueling tanker

The LMXT could easily outload the KC-46, with the added bonus of having a whole lot more modularity and options when it comes to carrying personnel, cargo and fuel. As you suggest, the real issue is does the USAF want these capabilities and are they willing to pay for them? My read is the USAF is n...

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by LyleLanley
Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:13 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: KC-46 now cleared to operationally refuel some aircraft
Replies: 69
Views: 8086

Re: KC-46 now cleared to operationally refuel some aircraft

Textbook example: neither MRTT nor the KC-767 can survive in a nuclear or chemical environment The A330 and A400M are certified into those environments for AAR. Australia had deployed their MRTTs to the middle east for years where that environment exists. See page 11 of this briefing https://www.ai...

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by LyleLanley
Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:07 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: KC-46 now cleared to operationally refuel some aircraft
Replies: 69
Views: 8086

Re: KC-46 now cleared to operationally refuel some aircraft

As I understand it, the NBC capability is not the reason for the KC-46 delays and cost overruns, so that's moot surely? The KC-46 cannot do - in *any* environment - what the KC767 and MRTT can today. NBC isn't the reason - you're right, there. I was just elucidating that the USAF has capability req...

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by LyleLanley
Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:01 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: KC-46 now cleared to operationally refuel some aircraft
Replies: 69
Views: 8086

Re: KC-46 now cleared to operationally refuel some aircraft

The RAAF and JASDF have declared their tankers fully operational. The USAF simply wants their tankers to work in worse conditions that is beyond the existing Boeing or Airbus systems. Bingo. Textbook example: neither MRTT nor the KC-767 can survive in a nuclear or chemical environment, whereas the ...

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by LyleLanley
Sat Sep 25, 2021 11:52 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Lockheed reveals new LMXT refueling tanker
Replies: 197
Views: 18506

Re: Lockheed reveals new LMXT refueling tanker

If you mean the original winglet story from The Drive, then that’s a 6.5% fuel burn improvement on a KC-135A: that’s winglets attached to a first-generation jet airliner wing on a typical SAC mission profile (AR, nav-leg, etc). You can’t extrapolate the (somewhat) large fuel burn improvement for the...

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by LyleLanley
Sat Sep 25, 2021 11:41 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Updated: RR Will Provide Jet Engines For The B-52 Re-engine
Replies: 310
Views: 65913

Re: New advertisement: B-52 re-engine back in the mix?

No actual B-52 missions have been limited by range over the past 40 years, to my knowledge. The main benefit is lower maintenance costs, increased mission capable rates, period. Decreased stress on tankers is a plus, as well, of course. Truth. Although that’s a really big plus for not just the BUFF...

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by LyleLanley
Sat Sep 25, 2021 2:26 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Lockheed reveals new LMXT refueling tanker
Replies: 197
Views: 18506

Re: Lockheed reveals new LMXT refueling tanker

Training missions are usually between 3-5 hours and the jets generally fly once a day or every other day. No wonder. You would never make up the cost of fuel saved vs the cost of the winglets and carying that weight, and maintenance. bt I wholeheartedly agree! A few years back, there was this big f...

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by LyleLanley
Fri Sep 24, 2021 7:18 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Lockheed reveals new LMXT refueling tanker
Replies: 197
Views: 18506

Re: Lockheed reveals new LMXT refueling tanker

How long does a typical tanker mission stay aloft? Just like a commercial airline, the longer you stay aloft, the tradeoff goes to rake wingtip. bt Training missions are usually between 3-5 hours and the jets generally fly once a day or every other day. Unless they’re going somewhere they’re also n...

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by LyleLanley
Fri Sep 24, 2021 4:24 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Lockheed reveals new LMXT refueling tanker
Replies: 197
Views: 18506

Re: Lockheed reveals new LMXT refueling tanker

Winglets *reduce* turbulence coming off the wing. That’s where the drag reduction comes from. If I remember right they weighed just 100 lbs and saved more than that in fuel every flight. They represented a payload increase. Thank you for the tutorial. While winglets *reduce* the net turbulence comi...

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by LyleLanley
Fri Sep 24, 2021 12:01 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Lockheed reveals new LMXT refueling tanker
Replies: 197
Views: 18506

Re: Lockheed reveals new LMXT refueling tanker

It’s not just the weight of winglets on a WARP’d wing to consider, but also the airflow nightmare for the receiver pilot trying to use that pod. The WARPS on the airbus are much further inboard than on the 46, utilizing the A340’s engine 1 & 4 mount locations. The 46’s pods are near the wingtips...

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by LyleLanley
Thu Sep 23, 2021 4:05 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Lockheed reveals new LMXT refueling tanker
Replies: 197
Views: 18506

Re: Lockheed reveals new LMXT refueling tanker

744SPX wrote:
767-200 based tanker with APB blended winglets…would have saved gobs of fuel but they chose in the end not to go with them. No excuse, really, to waste that much fuel.


WARPS precluded having winglets.

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by LyleLanley
Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:15 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Air Force 1 at DEN
Replies: 8
Views: 2015

Re: Air Force 1 at DEN

Hello! Today, President Biden visited Colorado and Air Force One landed at DIA. Does anyone know why DIA was chosen despite the fact that there are closer military bases such as Buckley AFB in Aurora? It seems in my opinion that landing at a base would not only be more secure but would logistically...

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by LyleLanley
Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:06 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: KC-46 now cleared to operationally refuel some aircraft
Replies: 69
Views: 8086

Re: KC-46 now cleared to operationally refuel some aircraft

bikerthai wrote:
BestIntellect wrote:
There is no mention of any 737-based airframe being cleared to tank from KC-46.


Flight test with the P-8A was done last year... Or was that just a photo op?

bt


Flight test does not equal AAR clearance: there are NO 737 variants cleared to refuel off the KC-46.

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by LyleLanley
Sat Aug 21, 2021 4:38 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: C-17 gear retraction side doors
Replies: 17
Views: 3277

Re: C-17 gear retraction side doors

Considering the design requirements required of it, I think the C-17 MLG was designed to operate pretty ingeniously. Any more sponson and the acft drag/fuel-burn raises precipitously, but any less and weird mechanical difficulties result. There are a lot of faults to be bestowed onto McD designers/e...

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by LyleLanley
Wed Aug 18, 2021 2:34 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Military plane lading at LGA?
Replies: 7
Views: 1819

Re: Military plane lading at LGA?

It’s got a ramp 8-)

It probably came down to tail availability: the Keesler unit could support it. Maybe the USN C-130 units couldn’t.

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by LyleLanley
Wed Aug 18, 2021 2:31 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Did the DC-8 and DC-10 have the largest passenger windows of all commercial jetliners?
Replies: 15
Views: 3459

Re: Did the DC-8 and DC-10 have the largest passenger windows of all commercial jetliners?

The laws of physics are pretty tough to overcome when a fan blade separates due to flight crew error, small window or not. The bigger problem than the window (no pun intended) is the pressure differential. Seat belt or not, they’re not going to stay in.

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by LyleLanley
Wed Aug 18, 2021 2:26 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Military plane lading at LGA?
Replies: 7
Views: 1819

Re: Military plane lading at LGA?

The “good part” about COVID, at least from a military aviation standpoint, was that leadership and ATC were much more accepting of our aircraft doing pattern work at fields that would otherwise laugh at our requests to drop in for an approach or two. We’ve done touch-and-go’s at Oakland and SFO in t...

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by LyleLanley
Tue Aug 17, 2021 3:51 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: C-17 departs Kabul with 800 passengers!
Replies: 100
Views: 11011

Re: C-17 departs Kabul with 800 passengers!

Please try to think before you post. As someone who has worked on a C-17 or two, I suggest you do the same. You having turned a wrench or dumped jet-a into a Barney doesn’t make you a digital forensic investigator or empower you to start a conspiracy theory based solely on not thinking critically w...

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by LyleLanley
Tue Aug 17, 2021 1:35 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: At what point do JT8D engines need to be spooled up before landing?
Replies: 13
Views: 1606

Re: At what point do JT8D engines need to be spooled up before landing?

So gorgeous, she is. I was never lucky enough to fly on her, but I was lucky enough to tour an RAF example at Ascension Island ~ 2001. What an absolutely stunning jet! After 7,000 hours on the DC(KC)-10, I love the shit out of the McD product, but I'd trade a lot to snag a few flight hours on the L-...

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by LyleLanley
Tue Aug 17, 2021 12:25 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: At what point do JT8D engines need to be spooled up before landing?
Replies: 13
Views: 1606

Re: At what point do JT8D engines need to be spooled up before landing?

Convair, I think I understand what you're asking. Please correct me if I'm reading you wrong, but this might help: Lots of flaps = lots of drag and a little bit more lift, meaning your engines have to stay at a relatively high power setting to maintain your desired speed. Flaps 40 (and flaps 50 in t...

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by LyleLanley
Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:33 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: C-17 departs Kabul with 800 passengers!
Replies: 100
Views: 11011

Re: C-17 departs Kabul with 800 passengers!

I'm sure if the crew had stopped, shut down engines, and then explained the situation from the top egress chute (because I'm sure they speak the local language) this whole situation would've been avoided... :roll: C-17 taxiing video is very suspicious. No wheels turning. No copilot. No fan blades vi...

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by LyleLanley
Mon Aug 16, 2021 6:56 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: C-17 departs Kabul with 800 passengers!
Replies: 100
Views: 11011

Re: C-17 departs Kabul with 800 passengers!

^^ Most likely a combination of availability, tactical capes, and MOG issues. Especially with the MRT the C-5 would probably need. :lol: On the real, as much as aircrew joke about C-17s landing at the wrong airport (repeatedly) or forgetting their landing gear, this crew just showed what it’s all ab...

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by LyleLanley
Sun Aug 15, 2021 3:27 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: US military bases in Afghanistan after drawdown?
Replies: 124
Views: 13535

Re: US military bases in Afghanistan after drawdown?

As much as I hope the Afghan government can prevail, I'm often reminded of the old article about the NMAA "Multiplying by Zero" when i think of why the Afghans will never, ever, become capable of defending themselves. There are solid dudes in the Afghan military who can put up a legit figh...

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by LyleLanley
Sun Aug 15, 2021 3:17 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: USAF personnel hanging out of aircraft.
Replies: 8
Views: 2296

Re: USAF personnel hanging out of aircraft.

The above two posts are why I spend as much time in these threads as I do. Love these stories, even if I don't understand all of them fully. Thanks cjg! It's appreciated. Definitely a different life, but fun in the moment. Speaking of stories: circa 2012, headed back to California after two months ...

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by LyleLanley
Thu Aug 12, 2021 7:20 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: USAF personnel hanging out of aircraft.
Replies: 8
Views: 2296

Re: USAF personnel hanging out of aircraft.

Short story is because ground maneuvering accidents (hitting a light pole, going off a taxiway during a difficult turn, etc.) are the easiest ways for a crew to get their squadron/group/wing commanders fired. Or at least the easiest that don’t involve sex with the wrong person or driving drunk. Sinc...

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by LyleLanley
Thu Aug 12, 2021 7:06 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: New Russian Fighter Jet
Replies: 120
Views: 14721

Re: New Russian Fighter Jet

No RJMAZ, LanLanley, it seems you are the ones that only read what you want to read and believe what confirms your pre occupations. :worried: Praise from Caesar. In any case, it’s too bad the Swiss apparently can’t read, if I’m following your logic train along its tracks. If so, they apparently wou...

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by LyleLanley
Wed Aug 11, 2021 8:17 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: New Russian Fighter Jet
Replies: 120
Views: 14721

Re: New Russian Fighter Jet

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.statis ... -aircraft/


Thanks for the laugh. I needed that
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keesje wrote:
RJMAZ, the mods want us to provide sources, not opinions, preferences posted as facts.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.statis ... -aircraft/


Thanks for the laugh. I needed that

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by LyleLanley
Sat Aug 07, 2021 4:08 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: US military bases in Afghanistan after drawdown?
Replies: 124
Views: 13535

Re: US military bases in Afghanistan after drawdown?

Mohawk, I think I understand what you’re proposing, but I don’t think it can work in Afghanistan. The Israelis can do their thing on one tank of gas and from their own territory; American jets can’t. They need tankers, basing rights, and overflight rights. They also have to be ok with, essentially, ...

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by LyleLanley
Sat Aug 07, 2021 3:57 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: New Russian Fighter Jet
Replies: 120
Views: 14721

Re: New Russian Fighter Jet

Ah, yes. I remember well all the defense spending meant to catch up to Russian equipment reliability metrics over the decades. A little less hubris would be appropriate. Underestimation of foreign equipment and training has repeatedly bitten US forces and their allies in the ass. I agree, but I thi...

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