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by bristolflyer1
Thu Jan 23, 2020 8:30 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2711
Views: 283602

Re: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752

Thank you pixel flight and tu204 "the newer TOR modifications are designed to target the "front" of the target" - so it looks like they had the newer version of the missile then, presumably with that version's guidance system, it would be interesting to know what that is. I wonde...

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by bristolflyer1
Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:55 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2711
Views: 283602

Re: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752

Thanks Pixelflight. Have you seen the video here: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=objljEE7B ... u.be&t=682 and do we know if it's the same version of the TOR the Iranians had? At 13.00 you can see the drone very clearly on the screen. Can we assume the Iranian operator would be looking at a simila...

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by bristolflyer1
Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2711
Views: 283602

Re: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752

https://www.fort-russ.com/2020/01/texas-iranian-flight-crash-facts-not-adding-up/ "There remain a lot of unanswered questions and implausible explanations in the story of the Ukrainian airliner shot down near Tehran on January 8th, 2020. And while the Iranians have publicly and officially taken...

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by bristolflyer1
Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2711
Views: 283602

Re: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752

@bikerthai, it could be anyone, including the Russians - we have a political thread for talking about that and others have suggested it. All I'm saying is, in common with the British and Russian experts, and for the technical reasons they've given, I find it hard to accept that a mistake of this mag...

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by bristolflyer1
Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:43 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2711
Views: 283602

Re: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752

Thank you PixelFlight for the calculations. Sterling work. So we know the ADS-B was working and both missiles were launched manually. Agreed about the FDR. There may be additional info from passenger phones but obviously not avionics data. https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/aviation-internation...

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by bristolflyer1
Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2711
Views: 283602

Re: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752

Pixel flight, that sounds like an entirely plausible explanation. Delta MD90, I understand your reservations and you might be right too. Working backwards as you've suggested, if the usa (or anyone else) wanted to cause this situation they may have had intel that the more experienced operators had b...

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by bristolflyer1
Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:27 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2711
Views: 283602

Re: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752

Maybe they were hacked, maybe they weren't. At this stage I simply remain open minded, as we don't have all the information. I've shared info from Russian and UK experts to demonstrate their incredulity that such a mistake could have happened. Which means that if it WAS solely the Iranians, then glo...

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by bristolflyer1
Thu Jan 16, 2020 3:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2711
Views: 283602

Re: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752

"The video is probably is a CCTV playback screen using a phone, not pointing at sky. The shaking makes one think someone was recording." Yes - good point.

What's your take on things then, knowing what you do about ADS-B,SSR and PSR? Interested to know. Were they/could they be hacked?

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by bristolflyer1
Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2711
Views: 283602

Re: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752

Yes, we do need more clarity about the transponder, I'm hoping there will be a report from today's meeting with more info. I agree the article is a mixture of believable and no so believable facts and conjecture, which makes it hard to sort fact from fiction. Still, I'm glad somebody is asking the q...

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by bristolflyer1
Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2711
Views: 283602

Re: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752

Who Targeted Ukraine Airlines Flight 752? Iran Shot It Down but There May be More to the Story https://www.globalresearch.ca/who-targeted-ukraine-airlines-flight-752-iran/5700765 from an ex-CIA specialist who is thinking along the same lines as I have been. Can we confirm that one thing is wrong ab...

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by bristolflyer1
Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2711
Views: 283602

Re: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752

ikramerica wrote:
Iran is now saying that the US shot down the plane by hacking the missiles or caused it to be shot down by hacking the ATC system.

So much for everyone applauding them for admitting responsibility.


Link to this news item please. Thank you.

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by bristolflyer1
Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2711
Views: 283602

Re: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752

@TU204, thanks, very useful info.

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by bristolflyer1
Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:06 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2711
Views: 283602

Re: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752

Ok thanks a lot for the input. Tu24 obviously has more experience than me. What I understood by the article was that the operator would be inside the thing pictured (look like a tank to me). But there would be crew outside he would be talking to just a few feet away. Tu24 can you confirm that please...

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by bristolflyer1
Mon Jan 13, 2020 10:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2711
Views: 283602

Re: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752

@kennneth, I think actually he seems to be saying it was impossible for it to be an accident. He is saying there is no way to confuse a missile with a plane. And yes that it would definitely be found out to have been shot down because of shrapnel etc. So that begs the question, how was all of the da...

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by bristolflyer1
Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:54 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Political discussion of PS752 Tragedy
Replies: 114
Views: 3470

Re: Political discussion of PS752 Tragedy

It's now a Whodunnit: SORRY FOR LONG POST, AUTOMATIC PAGE TRANSLATE DOESN’T WORK SO I DID IT ALL MANUALLY, THE LINK IS IN RUSSIAN. https://novayagazeta.ru/articles/2020/01/11/83411-vse-taki-obezyana-s-granatoy *******It essentially says no one could confuse a passenger plane with a cruise missile un...

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by bristolflyer1
Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2711
Views: 283602

Re: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752

SORRY MODERATORS FOR LONG POST, THE AUTOMATIC PAGE TRANSLATE DOESN’T WORK SO I DID IT ALL MANUALLY, AS THE LINK IS IN RUSSIAN AND NO ONE COULD READ IT OTHERWISE. https://novayagazeta.ru/articles/2020/01/11/83411-vse-taki-obezyana-s-granatoy *******It essentially says no one could confuse a passenger...

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by bristolflyer1
Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2711
Views: 283602

Re: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752

https://novayagazeta.ru/articles/2020/01/10/83399-vozmozhno-raketnaya-ataka-no-tochno-ne-terakt Andrey Gorbachevsky, engineer, radar developer. - Andrei Alekseevich, what does the video published by The New York Times tell you about? Does it really look like a missile attack? ..., judging by the out...

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by bristolflyer1
Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:12 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Political discussion of PS752 Tragedy
Replies: 114
Views: 3470

Re: Political discussion of PS752 Tragedy

TU24: [the radar would have been] "From what I understood pretty detailed too, with "raw" data that wouldn't be even displayed on your screen." I'm sorry for the tin hat folks, but I'm just not buying it that the operator couldn't ID the aircraft. Also they don't seem to have wai...

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by bristolflyer1
Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2711
Views: 283602

Re: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falaq_(radar) Apparently Iran uses phase array radar. https://www.airspacemag.com/how-things-work/how-things-work-phased-array-radar-10766910/ "We can differentiate between very tightly spaced objects, small and large objects, and the like,” says Army Colonel Joh...

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by bristolflyer1
Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:39 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Political discussion of PS752 Tragedy
Replies: 114
Views: 3470

Re: Political discussion of PS752 Tragedy

DLFreebird - the Twitter comment came from Duchy near the beginning of the thread, perhaps he/she can give you a link. TU204 - thanks that's very helpful. An accident is slightly more plausible if the operator couldn't see outside. I have the exact same question as you about what could be seen on th...

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by bristolflyer1
Sun Jan 12, 2020 11:10 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2711
Views: 283602

Re: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752

@Alfons, I agree. Do we have any radar experts on this forum please? If so, can you please guess at what equipment the Iranians might have had, and inform us here? I really don't want this to turn into a political discussion but I have niggles, and I want to know the technical details. I cannot acce...

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by bristolflyer1
Sun Jan 12, 2020 10:13 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Political discussion of PS752 Tragedy
Replies: 114
Views: 3470

Re: Political discussion of PS752 Tragedy

@Dutchy, there are probably people on the main thread who know about radar, so I will post there. But yes you are right, we may need to wait a long time for full details and they may never be released.

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by bristolflyer1
Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:51 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Political discussion of PS752 Tragedy
Replies: 114
Views: 3470

Re: Political discussion of PS752 Tragedy

So, back to the plane, TU204, and Jouhou's postings. I still want to know what happened and how it happened. The most likely explanation is there was a shift change at 6am (this was the first plane to take off after 6am) and an inexperienced crew. One of these people, acting alone, without authoriza...

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by bristolflyer1
Sat Jan 11, 2020 2:06 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Political discussion of PS752 Tragedy
Replies: 114
Views: 3470

Re: Political discussion of PS752 Tragedy

Over on the main thread they have confirmed the plane was shot down whilst still transponding, i.e. within 6 seconds of a blip, and we are still expected to believe this was an accident? And they had no other technology to differentiate an object (plane) 7 times the size of a missile? Perhaps under ...

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by bristolflyer1
Sat Jan 11, 2020 2:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2711
Views: 283602

Re: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine 737

Thank you Airhansa, Smokeybandit. So the plane was shot down while the transponder was still working, within 6 seconds of a blip. And we are still expected to believe it was an accident and the missile operator had no technology to differentiate an object (plane) seven times the size of a missile. I...

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by bristolflyer1
Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2711
Views: 283602

Re: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine 737

Critical to the investigation is when the transponder went offline. We need to know precisely the timing of the FIRST (not second) actual missile *launch*. And the exact moment the transponder ceased. If the transponder was working then how could the plane have been mistaken for a missile? Also, wha...

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by bristolflyer1
Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:11 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Political discussion of PS752 Tragedy
Replies: 114
Views: 3470

Re: Political discussion of PS752 Tragedy

"As I understand it, it wasn't an IR-missile, but a radar-guided one, if that is the case, they never viewed it directly, but saw a blip on the scope and reacted to that." Apologies, I am not clear where the missile was fired from but wasn't it nearby? Despite looking at a radar screen cou...

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by bristolflyer1
Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:04 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Political discussion of PS752 Tragedy
Replies: 114
Views: 3470

Re: Political discussion of PS752 Tragedy

Something I would really like to know, is the capabilities of a military infrared scope. The plane was (correct me if I'm wrong), only around 4,000 feet above the terrain (which was about another 4,000ft above sea level). You can make out its shape with the naked eye on the poor resolution mobile ph...

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by bristolflyer1
Sat Jan 11, 2020 12:58 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Political discussion of PS752 Tragedy
Replies: 114
Views: 3470

Re: Political discussion of PS752 Tragedy

Thanks for replying guys. You may be absolutely right, and I may just be being paranoid, but something about this is niggling me, and I am trying to put my finger on it. "wrong place wrong time". Maybe, but so many other planes left before it, also not on schedule. I would be very interest...

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by bristolflyer1
Sat Jan 11, 2020 12:00 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Political discussion of PS752 Tragedy
Replies: 114
Views: 3470

Re: Political discussion of PS752 Tragedy

Massive thank you to Jouhou for creating this thread. We need it. It's critically important. These things are bothering me: Several other planes left that morning (10 I think), several of them late. Why did this particular plane get shot down, with zero Americans and mostly Iranians on board? Coinci...

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by bristolflyer1
Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:36 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2711
Views: 283602

Re: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine 737

This is not a political post, this is a questioning what happened to the airliner post. Please don't moderate it out. These things are bothering me: Several other planes left that morning, several of them late. Why did this particular plane get shot down, with zero Americans and mostly Iranians on b...

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by bristolflyer1
Thu Jan 09, 2020 4:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2711
Views: 283602

Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

CO787EWR wrote: ".@cbsnews: US officials are confident Ukrainian Flt 752 was shot down by Iran. US intelligence picked up signals of the radar being turned on & satellite detected infrared blips of 2 missile launches" This would fit in with reports from locals (sorry I read it earlier ...

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by bristolflyer1
Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752
Replies: 2711
Views: 283602

Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Daimler, please can you also post the source for the air hostess calling her mother saying they were being fired upon? Sorry for multiple posts, it seems all of mine have to be approved individually by a moderator and I am not permitted to PM you. Cheers.

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