Its still subject to change though, they already have postponed it a few times. But the general idea is to finish the widebody fleet by 2024
Jump to postThank you for tracking this! How long will each aircraft take to be modified to the new cabin? The mods on each B789 is expected to take about a week. It will go in sequence, one plane in, one plane out. PH-BHA took about two months from mid-December because of engineering trials and also some supp...
Jump to post- KL Premium Comfort mod rotations started, first B789 completed. Mod also includes addition of wall partitions and several extra Y-seats, removal of 1 lavatory unit in Y and aft galley rearrangement Overview KL Premium Comfort Class Mods - B78X - 8 operational, 1 modification pending PH-BKA - Comp...
Jump to postKL's Premium Comfort cabin debut on the B789 PH-BHA (config C30-W21-Y224) scheduled for tomorrow Saturday February 4th on flight KL667/668 AMS - AUS v.v.
Jump to postAnd Surinam Airways is back...with yet another A343 This should be interesting :eyebrow: ...The signing of the lease agreement for the Airbus A340-300 with V2 Aviation DMCC from Dubai took place yesterday. This aircraft will be deployed on the Mid-Atlantic route. The plane is currently still in Jord...
Jump to postI think you are right. The whole issue between MP and KLM pilots is far from resolved. The potential A350 passenger order for KLM would indeed change the dynamic somewhat. Thats sneaky tbh. By buying up those A350F they can effectively force the MP pilots out of their jobs because they dont have an...
Jump to postAirlines where national governments are stakeholders usually dont do things necessarily for profitability, you know
Jump to postSo will these be painted in the KLM Cargo livery, like PH-CKA, PH-CKB and PH-CKC, or will they be painted in the Martinair livery, like PH-MPS? Martinair is a useless brand nowadays, it no longer serves a purpose and it doesnt mean anything in todays global economy. Well, obviously AF doesn't agree...
Jump to postzkojq wrote:So will these be painted in the KLM Cargo livery, like PH-CKA, PH-CKB and PH-CKC, or will they be painted in the Martinair livery, like PH-MPS?
I think AF is not willing to share its new candy... ...A firm order for 3 additional Airbus A350-900 passenger aircraft for Air France , bringing the total number of A350-900 expected by Air France to 41.... Source: official press release: https://www.airfranceklm.com/en/newsroom/air-france-klm-cont...
Jump to postWell, they have to play catch up on all their AMS bound routes at least. Its nowhere near atm, but its slowly returning to full strength over here
Jump to postThe 35L's are ringers in terms of capacity. I mean look at the number of seats in Y. I guess DL is now counting on an uptick in pax figures in certain routes for S23
Jump to postInterior mods are just not some simplistic order some parts and install them with powertools from Home Depot. Nothing on a commercial airliner is when it comes to engineering work. There is a mountain of design, testing, and regulatory approvals that need to be acquired. In the name of safety prima...
Jump to post...particularly high-profile leisure routes, I might add, where couples in particular may appreciate having an window-and-aisle option, and single passengers still have full aisle access from the center section of seats. As sourly unromantic as it may sound, there's not that many mainstream network...
Jump to postAdEd wrote:More DL schedule updates:
https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/230121-dlns23
- Ex-LATAM A350 spreads to AMS, TLV, ATH, CDG (2 daily), BCN, then MXP, in that order (ex-ATL)
- First KL B789 cabin mod Premium Comfort still underway, planned config C30-W21-Y224 - Eighth KL B78X brought into service as per January 19th Overview KL Premium Comfort Class Mods - B78X - 8 operational PH-BKA - Completed August 27th 2022, in service PH-BKC - Completed October 8th 2022, in servi...
Jump to postEighth KL B78X PH-BKK delivered and arrived from Boeing CHS, straight to hangar area for Premium Comfort cabin mod https://www.radarbox.com/data/flights/KL9874 Contrary to earlier posts, PH-BKK is currently flying without the new premium cabin. This is currently the sole KL B78X operating in the 'o...
Jump to postKL's 744s were indeed true one of a kinds. Both the full pax and the combi versions. These planes were timecapsules from KL's heydays in the 70s 80s. The cabin fittings and onboard equipment were old but still fully functional when they were retired :old: Sad to see these blue birds gone too soon
Jump to postN802NW has gotten enough detention at AMS after wrecking its backyard .
Now scheduled for homebound January 16th after being grounded for 5 nights
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/dl9937
sorry if discussed but I missed it, why is Orlando MCO -AMS being discontinued on March 24th? I flew it twice and it was pretty full both times.This was new service too. Not only it was a seasonal, also AMS has also extended its restrictions on annual flight movements into 2023 because of environme...
Jump to postHere is my 2 cents: DL will say goodbye to AMS and move to CDG. AA and UA is gonna fight over those slots B6 will eat up some significant TATL marketshare from all the established carriers coming to Europe 6E is also gonna be a big player coming out of India, by expanding their international flights
Jump to postfactsonly wrote:FlyingHonu001 wrote:3302 made a troublesome entry into AMS today
Source: avherald.com
N802NW will be ferried to MSP as DL9936 on Jan. 13th:
- 13 Jan 2023 DL9936 AMS 16.00 - MSP 18.25 A333 N802NW
N802NW is now being punished, its planned for repo homebound with no pax DL9936
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL9936
3302 made a troublesome entry into AMS today A Delta Airlines Airbus A330-300, registration N802NW performing flight DL-134 from Detroit,MI (USA) to Amsterdam (Netherlands), was on final approach to Amsterdam's runway 22 when the main landing gear touched down ahead of the paved surface of the runwa...
Jump to postNot all KL 78X's are created equal. 5 out of the 8 planes currently operational are under financial lease. All the rest are/will be properly owned
Jump to postI don’t know why my post was deleted, but Airbus December numbers: Orders: UFO- 4 A350F CIT Leasing- 10 A339 Financial Institutions- 2 A359 Cancellations: -3 A221 -18 A223 Which airline bought the 4 350Fs? Wouldnt that be AF-KL Group? https://www.airbus.com/en/newsroom/press-releases/2022-04-air-fr...
Jump to postmercure1 wrote:Air France leasing Cargolux 747-400F LX-TCV for month of January.
Well...for one thing KL didnt 'buy' it. BKM was actually an earlier built airframe that was not part of the original KL order. Its owned by ALC to be leased to KL, but now its being returned to lessor
Jump to postPH-BKM isn't mentioned anywhere in internal KLM information anymore it appears, so I suppose this lease has been cancelled by KLM. Interesting. This may explain why LN1118 - which was photographed with KLM logo on tail, but white fuselage - has not yet flown. On the '787 Tables' site the status of ...
Jump to postNah, that guy definitely had a one-way ticket outta the country, he is not coming back.
He made some new year resolutions and put them into action straight away.
And now something completely different, but MCI related: Is that KL bird (B744, reg: PH-BFT) still there?
Latest spotting was around Sept/Oct 2022 https://twitter.com/KOMASpotter/status/ ... 2699830272
Eighth KL B78X PH-BKK delivered and arrived from Boeing CHS, straight to hangar area for Premium Comfort cabin mod
https://www.radarbox.com/data/flights/KL9874
Does anybody know which type of Business class seats KLM will install on their 777? There was a sneak preview at AFKL's shareholders meeting last year, see https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1468445&p=23315651#p23315651 Looks very similar to the B78X herringbone seats by Ja...
Jump to postThis year is gonna be big for KL's widebody fleet. So Im trying to update this monthly. Feel free to comment. - Listing updated to include upcoming KL B777 mods, planned config: B772: C35-W24-Y229 | B773: C35-W24-Y322 - First KL B789 cabin mod Premium Comfort still underway, planned config C30-W21-Y...
Jump to postDo we have info on when the first KLM B787-9 with the new Premium Comfort cabin will fly? I believe from the other thread that PH-BHA went in for mods in mid-December, and according to FR24, it hasn’t flown since. Thanks! I believe Q1 2023. In Q1 2024 all 777 and 787s must have the new PE cabin ins...
Jump to postinkjet7 wrote:HB-IWC wrote:When is KLM expected to receive its next B781. It seems as if PH-BKK has been undergoing some customer acceptance flights as recent as December 27th.
Currently planned for the sixth of January.
holeham wrote:Please bring back TPA-AMS or TPA-CDG if adding at AMS is problematic.
Local news outlet reporting: https://www.talanei.com/2022/12/30/unit ... pago-pago/
N24979 was reassigned to rescue her sister https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n24979
Exactly, I think the real lost opportunity of ideal mergers would have been BA and KLM I read on it that BA/KL was studied and almost happened. KLs UK operation would've been a great supplement to LHR. BA/LH would've been awesome too. I don’t think so, while there’s mutual respect for the individua...
Jump to postStar Alliance, OneWorld and SkyTeam are gonna be like: Are we a joke to you?
Don't believe it was mentioned before, but there is a 3rd ATL-CDG flight on some days of the week next summer. On a 764 leaving at 6:30pm. I’d be willing to bet it is timed so that the return goes to CVG. Yep, that’s exactly what’s happening, operates from ATL the 4 days CVG-CDG does not run and be...
Jump to postI only know about these MSN's: 42496 BKI 42500 BKK (42501 BKL) 60297 BKM (EVA air NTU) 42494 BKO 42507 was originally reserved for PH-BHW when the order hadn't been changed from 787-9's to -10's, so it seems to be a valid number. But KLM does not use the -J/Q registrations (with one exception PH-BG...
Jump to postPH-BKI - New aircraft, unmodified, not yet delivered from Boeing PH-BKK - New aircraft, unmodified, not yet delivered from Boeing PH-BKM - New aircraft, unmodified, not yet delivered from Boeing PH-BKR - New aircraft, unmodified, not yet delivered from Boeing PH-BKO - New aircraft, unmodified, not ...
Jump to postAir France looking at new routes to the West Coast of the US. AF already flies to SEA, LAX, SFO. Where else could AF add? PDX and SAN come to mind. "Caron did give Simple Flying one hint about what Air France is considering for new routes in the United States. Without being more specific, he s...
Jump to postFirst cabin mod Premium Comfort for KL B789 underway, planned config C30-W21-Y224 Overview KL Premium Comfort Class Mods - B78X - 7 operational, 7 deliveries pending PH-BKA - Completed August 27th 2022, in service PH-BKC - Completed October 8th 2022, in service PH-BKD - Completed September 11th 202...
Jump to postKL has delayed the cabin mods for their widebody fleet due to logistical/supplier issues
- B789 fleet premium mods planned mid January 2023
- B777 fleet business mods + premium mods planned mid March 2023
So throughout Q1 2023, KL only has the B78X with the premium economy product
IATA's top brass just roasted the Dutch government for restricting flights at AMS...
https://youtu.be/acTUZ2TUwe0 skip to 08:24
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/12/04/france-ban-short-haul-domestic-flights-rail-alternative-approved/ Interesting development. Just curious...how will this affect AF and KL with the EU in the long run?. KL is now even stimulating passengers to rather take the international train servic...
Jump to postThere is still Avatar Airlines...
https://avatarairlines.com