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by AshFlops
Sun Nov 01, 2020 10:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Israel and Jordan signed an agreement which allows Jordan's and Israel's airspace to be used
Replies: 46
Views: 8246

Re: Israel and Jordan signed an agreement which allows Jordan's and Israel's airspace to be used

LH has started today flying over Israel on routes to RUH and MLE according to the latest aviation agreements in the Mid East.. Nice. Edit: also KLM AMS-KWI. What's really interesting is that the flight from AMS to KWI overflies Israel, but the return flight from KWI to AMS still detours over the Re...

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by AshFlops
Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: First TLV - UAE flight
Replies: 253
Views: 36779

Re: First TLV - UAE flight

rlwynn wrote:
What he says is correct. How would one even get to Petra from Eilat? Walk?


I had a taxi take me to the border, I walked across, then took a shuttle to Petra. It was very easy and coordinated. Why would this border be any different than another?

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by AshFlops
Thu Oct 08, 2020 2:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Israel and Jordan signed an agreement which allows Jordan's and Israel's airspace to be used
Replies: 46
Views: 8246

Re: Israel and Jordan signed an agreement which allows Jordan's and Israel's airspace to be used

for all airlines. That means couple of things: 3. ALL airlines (i.e. Lufthansa or DHL) could fly over IL and JO on their routes passing over IL and JO. Lufthansa WAS flying above Israel on the way to Amman, Jordan. Yes, but this agreement allows third-country to third-country to overfly Israel and ...

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by AshFlops
Thu Oct 08, 2020 2:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Israel and Jordan signed an agreement which allows Jordan's and Israel's airspace to be used
Replies: 46
Views: 8246

Re: Israel and Jordan signed an agreement which allows Jordan's and Israel's airspace to be used

RJ has been flying to TLV. So i'm not sure I follow what has changed? There wasn't a beef between Jordan and Israel like the rest of the gulf states. Jordanian flights to Europe and North America were already allowed to use Israeli airspace, now Israeli and Jordanian airspace can be coupled togethe...

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by AshFlops
Thu Oct 08, 2020 2:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Israel and Jordan signed an agreement which allows Jordan's and Israel's airspace to be used
Replies: 46
Views: 8246

Re: Israel and Jordan signed an agreement which allows Jordan's and Israel's airspace to be used

This is a big deal as it allows a lot of carriers to avoid Syrian and Sinai airspace.

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by AshFlops
Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:30 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: First TLV - UAE flight
Replies: 253
Views: 36779

Re: Emirates will launch DXB-TLV probably in January 2021

I expect EL AL gunna face tough times, with EK stealing pax going to HKG, SIN, Australia, India, and Thailand. I could see Pre covid EK having 3 flghts to TLV 1 A380 and 2 777s. I am wondering if Tel Aviv is A380 capable and has any A380 capable gates? Also, the interesting part will be the EK will...

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by AshFlops
Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UPDATE: 27-year-old investor buys controlling share of El Al (was: El Al temporarily ceases ops)
Replies: 111
Views: 19488

Re: New owner for LY

AA is planning to launch DFW-TLV in 2021. The JFK flight is an addition not a replacement. I hope you are right. A DFW-TLV flight will be successful. If that is the case, then IAH-TLV is probably not needed. IAH possibly will get nonstop to TLV in the future might be on El Al instead UA. LY went IA...

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by AshFlops
Fri Sep 18, 2020 2:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread 2020
Replies: 946
Views: 84756

Re: AS temporarily suspends ops at PDX, RDM, MFR, GEG, EUG, ALW due to wildfires

I was in Portland earlier this week, I flew WN from DEN. The smoke was so thick it was like dense fog which smelled like bad bbq. A lor of businesses were closed as it was not safe for employees to be working. Construction sites were shutdown, restaurants closed, and the airport was a ghost town, mo...

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by AshFlops
Fri Sep 18, 2020 2:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UPDATE: 27-year-old investor buys controlling share of El Al (was: El Al temporarily ceases ops)
Replies: 111
Views: 19488

Re: New owner for LY

I hope you are right. A DFW-TLV flight will be successful. If that is the case, then IAH-TLV is probably not needed. I also expect AA to eventually launch MIA-TLV, they should be able to push EL AL off the route No way. The market is far too Israel-originating oriented. Won’t happen. AA won’t have ...

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by AshFlops
Fri Sep 18, 2020 5:27 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UPDATE: 27-year-old investor buys controlling share of El Al (was: El Al temporarily ceases ops)
Replies: 111
Views: 19488

Re: New owner for LY

United has flights to TLV already. They can ass more if the business case is there, BUT? is it? I think that UA has a pretty full plate to TLV. 2x daily from EWR, daily from SFO, 3-4/wk from IAD, and 3/wk from ORD. And these are on a mix of 787-10 and 777-300. Of course it is somewhat lower frequen...

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by AshFlops
Fri Sep 18, 2020 12:38 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UPDATE: 27-year-old investor buys controlling share of El Al (was: El Al temporarily ceases ops)
Replies: 111
Views: 19488

Re: New owner for LY

Delta and United need to start adding flights from the New York area to TLV - I wouldn't bet LY is going to be viable anytime soon. United has flights to TLV already. They can ass more if the business case is there, BUT? is it? I think that UA has a pretty full plate to TLV. 2x daily from EWR, dail...

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by AshFlops
Fri Sep 18, 2020 12:35 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UPDATE: 27-year-old investor buys controlling share of El Al (was: El Al temporarily ceases ops)
Replies: 111
Views: 19488

Re: New owner for LY

Emirates is going to clean up with birthright and religious travel I reckon Emirates will capture Birthright traffic from AUS/NZ. US/Canada Birthright almost always flies LY. But a lot of Muslim pilgrims from the gulf and south Asia and a ton of Christian pilgrims from Philippines will fly via DXB ...

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by AshFlops
Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UPDATE: 27-year-old investor buys controlling share of El Al (was: El Al temporarily ceases ops)
Replies: 111
Views: 19488

Re: New owner for LY

I'm surprised the Haredi parties in the government don't just push the government to re-nationalize the airline. El Al is always going to struggle for profitability and handing the company over to a family in the US seems like a really questionable move. If El Al's finances get worse because the ne...

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by AshFlops
Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: First TLV - UAE flight
Replies: 253
Views: 36779

Re: Emirates will launch DXB-TLV probably in January 2021

Coupled with the open Saudi airspace, once Covid is under control the traffic between Israel and South Asia will expand greatly. The EK flight will be filled up with people going to and from DXB, and lots and lots connecting to SIN and MNL. They will steal some market share from El Al, but the real ...

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by AshFlops
Fri Sep 11, 2020 3:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KSA and Bahrain grant overflight to Israeli commercial flights
Replies: 37
Views: 6337

Re: KSA and Bahrain grant overflight to Israeli commercial flights

Exactly the opposite. Bahrains ATC controls nearly the entire Arabian Gulf Airspace. We're not just talking about the island(s) here. Just south of Kuwait until NE of Qatar you are under Bahrain radar control. It's not about which ATC controls the airspace. It's about the sovereignty of the airspac...

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by AshFlops
Fri Sep 11, 2020 1:25 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KSA and Bahrain grant overflight to Israeli commercial flights
Replies: 37
Views: 6337

Re: Both KSA and Bahrain grants all commercial flights

That's interesting. Since they already have to avoid Syria already for safety reasons, having to go even further south to avoid Israel as well makes the problem worse. Where it would really make a difference is for flights from the Gulf to Beirut and Cyprus although I'm not sure if Lebanon and Isra...

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by AshFlops
Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KSA and Bahrain grant overflight to Israeli commercial flights
Replies: 37
Views: 6337

Re: Both KSA and Bahrain grants all commercial flights

I don't think Israel is big enough for overflights to be important for any country except Jordan, but I suppose it does give another option to Gulf airlines that want to avoid Syrian airspace heading west. Economically, the benefit to the Gulf airlines is that they'll get traffic between Israel and...

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by AshFlops
Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020
Replies: 4462
Views: 680503

Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

I am going to say another Tel Aviv (either LAX, IAH, or DEN). By the end of October, with the exception of SFO remaining sub daily, they will have an almost complete schedule to TLV. With the ORD launch that will come later this week, they seem to be going all in on that market. Now, could they lau...

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by AshFlops
Mon Sep 07, 2020 5:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: First TLV - UAE flight
Replies: 253
Views: 36779

Re: First TLV - UAE flight

I think not using a "bigger airplane" also may send a message that the Israelis "Don't consider themselves the best in town". Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it shows modesty. The (economics) explanation probably makes more sense :D "The Best in Town"? Please e...

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by AshFlops
Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: First TLV - UAE flight
Replies: 253
Views: 36779

Re: First TLV - UAE flight

I think not using a "bigger airplane" also may send a message that the Israelis "Don't consider themselves the best in town". Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it shows modesty. The (economics) explanation probably makes more sense :D "The Best in Town"? Please e...

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by AshFlops
Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:31 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: First TLV - UAE flight
Replies: 253
Views: 36779

Re: First TLV - UAE flight

So it really flew over KSA, directly over Riyadh no less. https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ly971#255e1320 Just thinking big here. Could it imply KSA may be the next Arab country recognizing Israel? That would be big since KSA is the religious leader of the Sunni Muslims. If KSA moves forw...

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by AshFlops
Sat Aug 29, 2020 4:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: First TLV - UAE flight
Replies: 253
Views: 36779

Re: First TLV - UAE flight

New York to Tel Aviv via Dubai is an extra 5 hours of time in the air. Add time taxiing, changing planes, etc.... and you're looking at maybe an extra 8 or more hours travel time. Yes, some people will want to save the money by going for the absolute cheapest ticket - but to an airline, this transl...

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by AshFlops
Fri Aug 28, 2020 9:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - Q3 2020
Replies: 213
Views: 11348

Re: Busiest US Airports During COVID

Anyone have updated stats on the busiest US airports by passengers? I suspect DFW and DEN are probably numbers 1 and 2 but I would love to see the numbers. Agreed. I think there were some days that DEN and DFW were the busiest airports in the world. I have flown in/out of DEN consistently since Apr...

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by AshFlops
Thu Aug 27, 2020 1:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: First TLV - UAE flight
Replies: 253
Views: 36779

Re: First TLV - UAE flight

El Al is expected to operate the first flight between TLV and Abu Dhabi next week the beginning of September carrying US and Israeli delegation Should be interesting to follow and see the route if they fly over the KSA I think so, because the alternative would be Turkey. When EY flew to TLV a few m...

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by AshFlops
Mon Aug 17, 2020 12:49 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Normalisation of relations between Israel and UAE air links
Replies: 124
Views: 13829

Re: Normalisation of relations between Israel and UAE air links

Another thing to consider here is that flights between Europe and AUH/DXB will now be able to overfly Israel. Many EK/EY flights detour around over the Gulf of Aqaba/Eilat. They already avoid flying over Syria, so this shortens some flights for them. The feed from southern Asia to Israel for touris...

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by AshFlops
Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:29 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: What’s up with WN new concourse in PHX
Replies: 4
Views: 1901

Re: What’s up with WN new concourse in PHX

bpat777 wrote:
How many gates will this concourse have?


8

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by AshFlops
Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:06 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Normalisation of relations between Israel and UAE air links
Replies: 124
Views: 13829

Re: Normalisation of relations between Israel and UAE air links

Another thing to consider here is that flights between Europe and AUH/DXB will now be able to overfly Israel. Many EK/EY flights detour around over the Gulf of Aqaba/Eilat. They already avoid flying over Syria, so this shortens some flights for them. The feed from southern Asia to Israel for tourism...

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by AshFlops
Fri Aug 14, 2020 1:37 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Normalisation of relations between Israel and UAE air links
Replies: 124
Views: 13829

Re: Normalisation of relations between Israel and UAE air links

Don't forget about cargo. I believe that Cathay Pacific and Sichuan are still flying to TLV, just for the cargo. Once Covid dies down, the top half of the plane will be full as well. The DXB-TLV route will probably start as FlyDubai, but once it is shown that those smaller planes are easily filled, ...

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by AshFlops
Thu Aug 13, 2020 5:06 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Normalisation of relations between Israel and UAE air links
Replies: 124
Views: 13829

Re: Normalisation of relations between Israel and UAE air links

Remember back in May/June when Etihad ran those two cargo flights from AUH to TLV? I always assumed that they were proving flights to TLV on the A330. One flight went north over Iraq/Turkey, and the other did a southern route over Saudi/Jordan. There will definitely be flights from TLV to AUH and DX...

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by AshFlops
Thu Jul 23, 2020 4:15 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Denver Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 413
Views: 75033

Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2020

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-22jul20/

BA to start back in DEN in September with daily 777-200 service.
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According to the updated Routesonline https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-22jul20/

BA to start back in DEN in September with daily 777-200 service.

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by AshFlops
Thu Jun 11, 2020 4:39 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Etihad Airways News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 310
Views: 15343

Re: Etihad lands at TLV for the first time

El Al wouldn't fly to DXB or AUH because there isn't any feed. AUH and DXB serve as hubs for ET and EK and could take an enormous amount of traffic from TLV to SIN/MNL/AUS-NZ via these hubs. The same way that El Al doesn't fly to IST, but TK flies multiple times a day from TLV-IST.

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by AshFlops
Wed Jun 10, 2020 6:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Etihad Airways News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 310
Views: 15343

Re: Etihad lands at TLV for the first time

As long as Islamic fundamentalists have even a tiny bit of influence on the Gulf countries or rather the Islamic countries in the world as a whole we won't see any normalization. Yes there's some undercover cooperation but officially all those countries want to see Israel being destroyed. I'm surpr...

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by AshFlops
Wed Jun 10, 2020 1:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Etihad Airways News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 310
Views: 15343

Re: Etihad lands at TLV for the first time

This is clearly a cover for Etihad to perform proving flights from AUH to TLV. I expect Etihad to start flying to TLV once the industry recovers with passenger flights. The TLV market connecting through AUH/DXB is too big to ignore. I was expecting Emirates or Gulf Air first, but Etihad sees this as...

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