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by AvObserver
Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:27 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: NSA+NMA: Could Boeing do them both together (again)?
Replies: 133
Views: 16331

Re: NSA+NMA: Could Boeing do them both together (again)?

[quote="SteelChair" But the Boeing of the last 15 years isn't your father's Boeing: totaly fouled up 787 development, EIS, and ramp up (now apparently solved). Protracted development and delivery of KC-46. Protracted development of 777x. Both were derivatives that should have gone smoothly...

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by AvObserver
Mon Jan 21, 2019 3:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: NSA+NMA: Could Boeing do them both together (again)?
Replies: 133
Views: 16331

Re: NSA+NMA: Could Boeing do them both together (again)?

BlueSky1976 wrote:
seahawk wrote:
No need to replace the 737MAX at the moment, the 737-8 is still the gold standard of the class


Far from it. 737-8 is the classic example of also-ran.

The sales numbers within it's segment don't support your statement. A trolling post and nothing more.

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by AvObserver
Thu Jan 17, 2019 3:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A220 Developments : more of a match for A320neo than Airbus says
Replies: 308
Views: 53166

Re: Airbus A220 Developments : more of a match for A320neo than Airbus says

As an aside, I also think that sales of corporate versions of both could help keep the production justification for both alive longer than you think.

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by AvObserver
Thu Jan 17, 2019 3:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A220 Developments : more of a match for A320neo than Airbus says
Replies: 308
Views: 53166

Re: Airbus A220 Developments : more of a match for A320neo than Airbus says

Deferments aren't cancellations and maybe when they finally go into service, their performance will alleviate enough doubts that these carriers will order more for specific thin routes. The A319 NEO is in roughly this situation as well but favorable performance by in service examples could help that...

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by AvObserver
Thu Jan 17, 2019 3:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: NSA+NMA: Could Boeing do them both together (again)?
Replies: 133
Views: 16331

Re: NSA+NMA: Could Boeing do them both together (again)?

No real urgency to immediately press ahead with a 737 replacement despite its acknowledged lack of further growth capability. The NMA will be a $15 billion program that will demand big resources while Boeing tweaks and PIPs other product lines. The Transonic Truss Braced Transport concept recently s...

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by AvObserver
Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A220 Developments : more of a match for A320neo than Airbus says
Replies: 308
Views: 53166

Re: Airbus A220 Developments : more of a match for A320neo than Airbus says

Keesje, what do you mean by "now that the 737-7 seems to be sidelined"? Did I miss something? It's a low demand derivative that remains on offer despite some setbacks, like the Southwest deferral. I don't think Boeing has given up on it yet. And I don't think Embraer has anything to offer ...

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by AvObserver
Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:07 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Mitsubishi MRJ, going alone against Boeing/Embraer?
Replies: 53
Views: 8132

Re: Mitsubishi MRJ, going alone against Boeing/Embraer?

Sadly, I don't see the MRJ being very successful. It seems to have aimed at the right market targets but I think it will be overwhelmed by Boeing backed Embraer. It's been so long since there was a dedicated Japanese civil airliner program their industry has had to relearn much of how to do one, des...

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by AvObserver
Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:20 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing unveils new version of radical wing design
Replies: 140
Views: 27286

Re: Boeing unveils new version of radical wing design

…… Right … the same way the UDF Propfan was going to revolutionize the airline industry. Memba that? With the pressure on to drastically reduce C02 emissions, this looks like a promising avenue to take smaller transport design. The prop-fan was too but there were a few issues such as high noise lev...

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by AvObserver
Mon Jan 07, 2019 2:54 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: SpiceJet B738 Max suffers in flight engine failure
Replies: 4
Views: 3418

Re: SpiceJet B738 Max suffers in flight engine failure

http://avherald.com/h?article=4c286a1b&opt=0 Cause was "restriction in fuel flow". But it was a Leap 1B. Well, it couldn't have been anything else with a MAX, could it? Not too surprising; we know the Leap engines have a few issues also, though they pale compared to those of the P&...

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by AvObserver
Sun Dec 30, 2018 2:56 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Another PW engine fails in A320 Neo aircraft
Replies: 77
Views: 18240

Re: Another PW engine fails in A320 Neo aircraft

Let’s look at this from another perspective. It is just the airbus planes from what is published which have the problem.......mmmmmmmmmm So the fact that the Pratt GTF is only deployed on Airbus a/c in large numbers means nothing...or we can ask it this way, why are there no problems with the GTF o...

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by AvObserver
Sat Dec 29, 2018 2:52 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3187
Views: 598745

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang

As per past record the US judge will throw out the suit saying its not in their jurisdiction. American judges typically support their countrymen and companies. But if a American is effected abroad than then they lay claim to the whole world, like in the case of the American "student" who ...

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by AvObserver
Sat Dec 22, 2018 12:28 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A319neo CFM Leap-1A is certified
Replies: 62
Views: 8198

Re: A319neo CFM Leap-1A is certified

It was too far along in development to NOT be certified, despite the lack of demand. Same as the 737 MAX-7 essentially. They'll keep marketing it and there will be some takers, just not very many, again rather like the MAX-7 is shaping up to be. While the A220-300 makes its prospects undeniably shak...

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by AvObserver
Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:48 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Did the 737 MAX go one step too far?
Replies: 233
Views: 33524

Re: Did the 737 MAX go one step too far?

Fundamental instability? I don't know if that is the appropriate term. Yes, it takes some pilot's determination to even get to that corner, as pilots are explicitly trained NOT to get there, recognize the condition and back out into the greener pastures.. Any talk about "disabling MCAS and han...

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by AvObserver
Sat Dec 15, 2018 4:24 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Did the 737 MAX go one step too far?
Replies: 233
Views: 33524

Re: Did the 737 MAX go one step too far?

And you have the nerve to say that the opinions of MAX pilots who've chimed in here have no relevance. ................. Even longer lament. Pilot opinion is worthless as they see the basic airframe wrapped by various enhancing systems ( including MCAS ). Additionally they did not even know about M...

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by AvObserver
Sat Dec 15, 2018 4:06 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Did the 737 MAX go one step too far?
Replies: 233
Views: 33524

Re: Did the 737 MAX go one step too far?

Do you have something better to add to the discussion than arguing with well established facts? It was said more than once that MCAS role is exactly that - prevent approaching to stall and upset. Why Boeing chose to do it the way they did, rates, times... Those who know it are not allowed to talk a...

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by AvObserver
Sat Dec 15, 2018 3:54 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Did the 737 MAX go one step too far?
Replies: 233
Views: 33524

Re: Did the 737 MAX go one step too far?

I see in this (and subsequent posts) that you believe the sky-gods in the front to be infallible sources of knowledge on aircraft design and flight performance. Would you be so quick to take the word of a taxi driver on how the engine ECU works over the word of an engineer that has designed said EC...

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by AvObserver
Fri Dec 14, 2018 3:37 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3187
Views: 598745

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang

Lion Air is responsible for this crash. So easy. But it's easy too to see some parts of the story where Lion Air did not have any responsibilities: - Design of an unstable aircraft requiring automated augmentation system even in manual flight. - Design of a automated augmentation system highly depe...

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by AvObserver
Fri Dec 14, 2018 3:24 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Did the 737 MAX go one step too far?
Replies: 233
Views: 33524

Re: Did the 737 MAX go one step too far?

If pilots who actually fly the MAX say it's NOT unstable, I tend to believe them, I see in this (and subsequent posts) that you believe the sky-gods in the front to be infallible sources of knowledge on aircraft design and flight performance. Would you be so quick to take the word of a taxi driver ...

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by AvObserver
Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:53 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Did the 737 MAX go one step too far?
Replies: 233
Views: 33524

Re: Did the 737 MAX go one step too far?

With the jury still out on the exact circumstances of the crash, we need to reserve judgement until ALL of the facts are in. In the meantime pilots who actually fly the MAX dispute your assertion. quite the long lament but no useful argument and some drive by smearing of the messenger. ( and it is ...

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by AvObserver
Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Did the 737 MAX go one step too far?
Replies: 233
Views: 33524

Re: Did the 737 MAX go one step too far?

If pilots who actually fly the MAX say it's NOT unstable, I tend to believe them, ... how much worth do you think is their statement? Zero. MCAS is a wrapper around the unpleasant pitch up behavior of the MAX. ( MCAS in a rather heavy handed way limits "real" AoA to stay inside the airfra...

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by AvObserver
Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Did the 737 MAX go one step too far?
Replies: 233
Views: 33524

Re: Did the 737 MAX go one step too far?

I hope posts like this put to rest the nonsense spewed by Airbus diehards that the MAX is fundamentally unstable despite that they offer no proof of such. If it does not return from a non-stalled and within envelope positive angle of attack then it is longitudinally statically unstable by standard ...

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by AvObserver
Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:23 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Did the 737 MAX go one step too far?
Replies: 233
Views: 33524

Re: Did the 737 MAX go one step too far?

No. It’s not an “unstable” airplane. I fly it. I hope posts like this put to rest the nonsense spewed by Airbus diehards that the MAX is fundamentally unstable despite that they offer no proof of such. If it does not return from a non-stalled and within envelope positive angle of attack then it is ...

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by AvObserver
Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:20 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Slightly capacity / MTOW increase E195-E2, possible / feasible?
Replies: 63
Views: 6727

Re: Slightly capacity / MTOW increase E195-E2, possible / feasible?

Pretty sure we should wait and see if the the Embraer partnership even goes through Exactly. This is putting the cart before the horse. Looking back only at confirmed news, would make this a airliners history site. The smaller 737 is past the expiration date in the Boeing portfolio. Another small h...

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by AvObserver
Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:00 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Did the 737 MAX go one step too far?
Replies: 233
Views: 33524

Re: Did the 737 MAX go one step too far?

No. It’s not an “unstable” airplane. I fly it. And the NG. As a pilot, I like the A320 WAYYYY more because it’s more comfortable upfront. But the MAX is extremely efficient, reliable, and predictable. The MCAS issue is, in my opinion, an error of omission, not some inherent flaw in the airplane. On...

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by AvObserver
Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters: Lion Air ponders cancellation of 737 MAX orders
Replies: 156
Views: 30043

Re: Reuters: Lion Air ponders cancellation of 737 MAX orders

Methinks you're engaging in an awful lot of speculation before all of the facts are in. < snip snip snip > . A very good caveat writeup. But :-) afaics even if it can be shown that the crew and/or airline was incompetent: The basic instability covered up by MCAS issue has taken on a life on its own...

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by AvObserver
Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:21 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters: Lion Air ponders cancellation of 737 MAX orders
Replies: 156
Views: 30043

Re: Reuters: Lion Air ponders cancellation of 737 MAX orders

Looks very much like the MAX has positive feedback in pitch. pitch up and pitching up forces escalate. ( engine nacelle drag ) An unstable design. My understanding is that the MCAS system was only required to make the MAX handle the same as the NG. And that the problem only happened at extreme angl...

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by AvObserver
Wed Dec 05, 2018 4:28 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters: Lion Air ponders cancellation of 737 MAX orders
Replies: 156
Views: 30043

Re: Reuters: Lion Air ponders cancellation of 737 MAX orders

As i see it a NEW boeing had issues(poor quality) and could not be saved by the pilots due to questionable hidden software interfering in manual mode(incompetence of designers). Now they are changing the software. Mention of A330 is just whataboutism. What “poor quality” can you point to as a facto...

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by AvObserver
Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:21 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters: Lion Air ponders cancellation of 737 MAX orders
Replies: 156
Views: 30043

Re: Reuters: Lion Air ponders cancellation of 737 MAX orders

If you appeal to statistics, you may want to do the math first. Because that single crash solidly puts MAX to the position of the least safe modern airliner. A bit better than Concorde, way worse than DC-10/MD-11. There is not enough data, apparently; but it would take a few years, maybe decade, fo...

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by AvObserver
Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters: Lion Air ponders cancellation of 737 MAX orders
Replies: 156
Views: 30043

Re: Reuters: Lion Air ponders cancellation of 737 MAX orders

First point: the Max models are not on the original 737 certification. The Max models are on supplemental type certificates. Changes to an aircraft design will result in changes to the flight and handling characteristics of the aircraft. This is why new models are tested and require STCs. Second po...

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by AvObserver
Thu Nov 22, 2018 4:06 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus - hiring for new narrowbody and A350 neo
Replies: 160
Views: 25902

Re: Airbus - hiring for new narrowbody and A350 neo

I call BS on this article. Job advisements gave away all this information? Yeah, right. Also, testing narrowbody production rates of 100 per month? Complete BS. Definitely not going to happen over the next 10-15 years. I concur. Everyone's going bananas on a single article with rather little substa...

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by AvObserver
Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Kuwait Airways signs agreement to purchase 8 A330-800neo's
Replies: 82
Views: 15115

Re: Kuwait Airways signs agreement to purchase 8 A330-800neo's

There was never any doubt that the A338 would sell in some numbers but it's fair to say it will not be the rip roaring success the A332 was due to the NEO range improvement of the A339, making that model more attractive to most operators courtesy of a sizable CASM advantage. Also, a huge part of the...

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by AvObserver
Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:10 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Sir Tim Clark: Emirates next batches of A380s will be powered by RR
Replies: 595
Views: 93516

Re: Bloomberg: A380-Saving Emirates Deal Is Stalled Due to Engine Impasse

[quote="Waterbomber" I think that in 20 years time, there could be a major advance in aircraft propulsion. So much so that fuel burn and fuel cost becomes an irrelevant part of a ticket price. When fuel burn and fuel prices will no longer be a factor, airlines will be scrambling to get the...

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by AvObserver
Mon Oct 08, 2018 7:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus , just stretch the A320NEO a few rows, 200 seats.
Replies: 91
Views: 16358

Re: Airbus , just stretch the A320NEO a few rows, 200 seats.

Although, I have to say, many LCC that uses A320 might not want the 200 seater A320neo. 180-186 seat seems like a sweet spot for many LCC operating A320. Adding 14-20 more seat might be a bit of an increase for an aircraft that only carry 180-186 seat. Especially if you operate 10 flights a day on ...

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by AvObserver
Thu Aug 30, 2018 5:07 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: How the 737 MAX 10 landing gear works
Replies: 269
Views: 20853

Re: How the 737 MAX 10 landing gear works

Interesting -- Nothing fancy here but a new lever and linkage carrying the wheels. But its late in the 737 lifecycle... ...So why wasn't something like this done decades ago, allowing an engine with a bigger fan for efficiency under the 737 wing? Also fixing the 739 rotation and runway length issue...

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by AvObserver
Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Which Frame Will Be More Efficient....The A35J or the 779?
Replies: 299
Views: 32828

Re: Which Frame Will Be More Efficient....The A35J or the 779?

The 777-8 is probably 10-12T heavier than the A350-1000 based on all sources and excisting specs that I have seen. I am happy to be proven wrong. The 777X wing is significant heavier than the 77W wing. Higher aspect ratio, span, heavier engines, landing gears and folding mechanisms. Not necessarily...

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by AvObserver
Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:39 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Which Frame Will Be More Efficient....The A35J or the 779?
Replies: 299
Views: 32828

Re: Which Frame Will Be More Efficient....The A35J or the 779?

Sad this thread got so partisan (again!). Impossible to fully know how these two will stack up against each other until the 779 is in service. Conventional wisdom states that the newer design in general wins out against the older, no matter how tweaked the older design may be. I think that will appl...

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by AvObserver
Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters: Airbus is studying A321XLR with extended range over LR
Replies: 470
Views: 74768

Re: Reuters: Airbus is studying A321XLR with extended range over LR

I find this a really exciting development that bodes well for even greater Airbus dominance of the larger end of the single aisle transport market. They continue to go where Boeing can't, at least at any reasonable cost. Boeing should try to offer longer range variants of the 737 MAX too but they cl...

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by AvObserver
Tue Jul 24, 2018 2:07 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boom Supersonic corp unveils plan for 55-seat supersonic jet
Replies: 90
Views: 13031

Re: Boom Supersonic corp unveils plan for 55-seat supersonic jet

Like many posters here, I find business class fares exorbitant and don't use them. However, there are plenty of other not truly wealthy folks who can and do use them on occasion. I think a fair number of them would trade amenities for speed. I've got to think Boom has studied the business case long ...

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by AvObserver
Tue Jul 24, 2018 1:40 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 797 Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 3491
Views: 432004

Re: Boeing 797 Discussion Thread - 2018

MAX10 is as far as the 737 can be stretched without incurring exhorbitant costs. If Boeing decides not to pursue NMA over a shrinking business case, it should at least take a look at how to either reengine and possibly rewing the 767-300 or build a lighter 787-8 along the lines of the still born 787...

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by AvObserver
Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 797 Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 3491
Views: 432004

Re: Boeing 797 Discussion Thread - 2018

Why isn’t the 767MAX an option? People love the 767, airlines love the 767. Boeing should do what they did with the 737MAX. Wondering this myself. If the business case for an all-new NMA is increasingly weak, as many are posturing, maybe a major revamp of the 767 may fit the bill at a far lower dev...

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by AvObserver
Fri Jul 20, 2018 2:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: E195-E2 vs. 737MAX7
Replies: 89
Views: 10316

Re: E195-E2 vs. 737MAX7

The MAX7 is also being touted for longer range which will likely be part of its appeal to Southwest. And don't forget the BBJ versions of it to follow. The variant won't be a huge seller but neither is it as dead as the A319NEO appears to be. Airbus sealed that model's fate by adopting the CS300 int...

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by AvObserver
Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Did Boeing shelve the 797 / NMA ?
Replies: 10
Views: 1594

Re: Did Boeing shelve the 797 / NMA ?

Nothing in the posted article says anything about shelving the 797. It only says that Boeing seeks to vet the business case and production system aspects more vigorously than in past programs. Another speculative thread that goes nowhere.

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by AvObserver
Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:34 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus rebrands C-Series to A220
Replies: 217
Views: 33661

Re: Airbus rebrands C-Series to A220

Well, Airbus took over the program so they can brand it any way they want. But at the end of the day, it's still not an Airbus design, just like the 717 wasn't a Boeing design. Though Airbus likely saved the program, the Bombardier designers must be feeling a bit wistful that their name and the name...

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by AvObserver
Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Saudi Arabian Airlines in Boeing 777X Order Talks
Replies: 19
Views: 3751

Re: Saudi Arabian Airlines in Boeing 777X Order Talks

First I'm hearing of this. Too little info. In that article. It would be welcome news for Boeing, given that a fair amount of the 777X backlog appears to be at significant risk.

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by AvObserver
Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:33 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Will Boeing build its new mid-market aircraft in Washington?
Replies: 119
Views: 10343

Re: Will Boeing build its new mid-market aircraft in Washington?

Nothing is hypocritical about it.. As a company you have a fiduciary duty to your shareholders to create the most shareholder value. Using a competition to determine where to locate a program to get the best deal and therefore generate the greatest shareholder value is the responsible corporate act...

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by AvObserver
Thu Jun 07, 2018 3:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 120 Million Pounds Raised to Return One Concorde to Service
Replies: 71
Views: 13104

Re: 120 Million Pounds Raised to Return One Concorde to Service

Sorry if someone has mentioned it already, but I'm under the impression that even with an endless money pit it would still be impossible to return a Concorde to the air. I'm sure an a.net member who is an ex BA Concorde maintenance engineer has stated a few times over the last few years that the ai...

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by AvObserver
Wed May 30, 2018 3:36 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Will DL order the A350-1000/B777X?
Replies: 49
Views: 6426

Re: Will DL order the A350-1000/B777X?

777X, yeah no. Zero per cent chance. 777-9X is way too large and the 8X is redundant with the 280 tonne A350-900. Delta did include the A350-1000 in the RFP for the 747 replacement, so it's not out of the realm of possibility Delta will consider it again either as a new order to replace the 77L or ...

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by AvObserver
Tue May 29, 2018 5:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Thomas Cook / Condor plans for new long range aicraft
Replies: 42
Views: 8669

Re: Thomas Cook / Condor plans for new long range aicraft

Jayafe wrote:
imthedreamliner wrote:
...If Boeinga can somehow sell Dreamliner, I will call it a miracle....


I would call it dumping. They would call it "business as usual".

And you would have no foundation for calling it such, as usual.

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by AvObserver
Tue May 22, 2018 2:42 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Folding 777 Wingtips
Replies: 125
Views: 25030

Re: Folding 777 Wingtips

People are overcomplicating this system, it's pretty much just the aerodynamically shaped raked wingtip that folds up. There are no flight controls or fuel systems in this part of the wing, just wiring for wing tip lights and maybe anti-ice ducts. Maybe? I think you are oversimplifying the system w...

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by AvObserver
Wed May 16, 2018 3:23 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why is the A350 so expensive?
Replies: 142
Views: 26717

Re: Why is the A350 so expensive?

2. Is Boeing dumping the 787 at near-loss to undercut the competition? More than often. If you're going to make such a bold statement, you really need to substantiate your claim with a numbers link. Is Boeing's novel assembly process using barrels rather than panels generating some impressive savin...

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