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by bilgerat
Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: BA 65 LHR-NBO 29Nov
Replies: 8
Views: 2037

Re: BA 65 LHR-NBO 29Nov

Airlive on Twitter reports the nose gear is stuck down and they're burning off fuel.

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by bilgerat
Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: BA 65 LHR-NBO 29Nov
Replies: 8
Views: 2037

Re: BA 65 LHR-NBO 29Nov

It went around that holding pattern six times, passed over my home at 6,400ft (usually aircraft out of Heathrow are at about 10,000ft). I had a look through the binoculars and the landing gear was still down. Possible problem with the landing gear, and they're burning fuel off before heading back to...

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by bilgerat
Fri Oct 20, 2017 7:58 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Germany Tornado Replacement News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1688
Views: 246192

Re: Germany Considers Tornado Replacement

I find it very interesting to note that Trump has been dragged into this conversation several times already, yet nobody has mentioned the EU's trajectory towards further federalisation and its desire for a centralised EU military force. Germany's Tornado replacement will be more advanced strike airc...

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by bilgerat
Thu Oct 19, 2017 12:52 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Germany Tornado Replacement News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1688
Views: 246192

Re: Germany Considers Tornado Replacement

Moreover EF and any other 4th gen AC will be under attack long before it even reaches the target. 4th gen AC are only useful after air defense system has been taken down by 5th gen AC and even then survival rates will be horrible. The advances in rf components and the radar systems are improving dr...

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by bilgerat
Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:28 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Germany Tornado Replacement News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1688
Views: 246192

Re: Germany Considers Tornado Replacement

If an engine upgrade of 20% was possible for Eurofighter/Rafale today so easily don't you think they would do it? Instead the airframe and engine are designed in parallel because they are so tightly integrated A year or two ago I read some interesting literature from Eurojet. They say a customer ca...

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by bilgerat
Wed Sep 13, 2017 12:52 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: North Korea radial biplanes could drop nukes without being detected..
Replies: 19
Views: 3581

Re: North Korea radial biplanes could drop nukes without being detected..

It does have less total high reflectivity surface than a metal-skinned aircraft, and I could even see the tubular frame having some RCS advantages. The An-2 is all metal construction. The theory I was talking about has nothing to do with RCS. The theory is the An-2 can fly so *low* and so *slow* th...

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by bilgerat
Wed Sep 13, 2017 12:30 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Black project about to be outed?
Replies: 41
Views: 7134

Re: Black project about to be outed?

Det 3 is the successor to the 4477th TES or Red Eagles squadron that operated the USAF’s secret fleet of MiG-17s, MiG-21s and MiG-23s. Guy Norris, writing in Aviation Week said that: “Sources indicate Schultz was the Red Hats squadron commander at the time of his death. Just a quick point of note: ...

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by bilgerat
Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:15 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: North Korea radial biplanes could drop nukes without being detected..
Replies: 19
Views: 3581

Re: North Korea radial biplanes could drop nukes without being detected..

My understanding is the An-2 "stealth" claims are to do with the aircraft being able to fly incredibly slow, and combined with very low altitude flight would potentially make it impossible to detect with pulse doppler radars, or it may appear as traffic on a highway to AWACS radars. An int...

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by bilgerat
Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:27 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: A-10 Warthogs will smash N Korea?
Replies: 51
Views: 7895

Re: A-10 Warthogs will smash N Korea?

My understanding is the North Koreans have an extensive tunnel network in the hills and mountains north of Seoul. There are hundreds, if not thousands of prepared firing positions facing south. The artillery would be wheeled out to a prepared position, fire off a few rounds then be taken back into t...

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by bilgerat
Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:00 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: A-10 Warthogs will smash N Korea?
Replies: 51
Views: 7895

Re: A-10 Warthogs will smash N Korea?

Oroka wrote:
That is where the 'BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT' comes in.


I don't think I'm alone when I sometimes think we overestimate the A-10's capabilities.

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by bilgerat
Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:29 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: A-10 Warthogs will smash N Korea?
Replies: 51
Views: 7895

Re: A-10 Warthogs will smash N Korea?

Seoul is well within strike range of 15.000 - 20.000 artillery pieces, there are 20m people in the Seoul metropolitan area. A few months ago I was reading up on this and I found what I believe is the only study to be published on the DPRK artillery threat to Seoul. I wish I had kept the bookmark......

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by bilgerat
Sun Jul 31, 2016 7:42 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Best World War II Fighter
Replies: 76
Views: 14270

Re: Best World War II Fighter

Apologies if it's already been mentioned but the one man who is probably better qualified than any other to answer this question is Eric Brown.

When asked what the best fighter of WW2 was he said if he had a choice he would want to be flying either a Spitfire XIV or a Fw190D.

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by bilgerat
Thu May 05, 2016 5:13 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: How Old Is Too Old For A Harbor Ferry?
Replies: 17
Views: 2055

RE: How Old Is Too Old For A Harbor Ferry?

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/Flighty" class="quote" target="_blank">Flighty</a> (<a href="#11" class="quote">Reply 11</a>):<br/><i>Ships can be inspected and effectively zer...

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by bilgerat
Thu May 05, 2016 9:12 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: How Old Is Too Old For A Harbor Ferry?
Replies: 17
Views: 2055

RE: How Old Is Too Old For A Harbor Ferry?

I'm a marine engineer, Class 1 (Chief Engineer) qualified. As long as the hull and machinery are in good condition, are supportable in terms of being able to acquire suitable spare parts, and as long as the vessel is maintained and operated in line with local statutory requirements then age isn't an...

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by bilgerat
Sat Apr 23, 2016 2:34 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: F-22 Raptor Revival?
Replies: 192
Views: 37901

RE: F-22 Raptor Revival?

I didn't read the entire thread so apologies if this information has been posted already. I read the other day there are two major practical problems when it comes to restarting F-22 production: i) Apparently at least some of the toolings and such like have gone missing, despite the efforts made to ...

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by bilgerat
Sat Apr 23, 2016 2:25 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Donald Cook And Russian SU-24s
Replies: 23
Views: 6187

RE: Donald Cook And Russian SU-24s

I find the media reports somewhat hysterical and sensationalist. The Fencers were flying "attack profiles". Hmmm. If this were a real attack it would have been carried out with long range anti ship missiles, not with a couple of 40 year old strike aircraft dropping dumb bombs on a ship. Ukraine, Syr...

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by bilgerat
Wed Apr 13, 2016 2:50 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Will Ireland Ever Reunite?
Replies: 55
Views: 4427

RE: Will Ireland Ever Reunite?

Under the Plantagenets England was set upon the trajectory of becoming a major power, domination of its neighbours and ultimately an empire. Ireland, Scotland and Wales therefore reaped the dubious benefits of having such a powerful and dominant neighbour. As was pretty much the way it happened ever...

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by bilgerat
Sat Dec 26, 2015 10:15 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Germany Tornado Replacement News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1688
Views: 246192

RE: Germany Considers Tornado Replacement

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/zeke" class="quote" target="_blank">zeke</a> (<a href="#20" class="quote">Reply 20</a>):<br/><i>I don´t even think Germany has the ability to de...

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by bilgerat
Thu Dec 24, 2015 4:45 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Germany Tornado Replacement News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1688
Views: 246192

RE: Germany Considers Tornado Replacement

Hmmmm. Both the UK and Italy will have their Tornado fleets hand over the strike role to both Typhoons and F-35 I think Germany might have a problem finding a partner for developing a new aircraft - especially given Germany's political unreliability in the Eurofighter and A400M programme. Germany co...

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by bilgerat
Thu Dec 24, 2015 4:10 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Replacing Of Argentina Presidential Aircraft T-01
Replies: 39
Views: 15358

RE: Replacing Of Argentina Presidential Aircraft T-01

I don't know how true it is, but I read a year or two ago that the Argentine Government has to be very careful where it flies its presidential 757 because there are a bunch of creditors in various countries waiting to sieze Argentine Government assets in lieu of unpaid debts. I imagine this would al...

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by bilgerat
Thu Aug 27, 2015 11:51 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: French 9/11 Style Attack Possible On Airlines
Replies: 59
Views: 15243

RE: French 9/11 Style Attack Possible On Airlines

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/flyDTW1992" class="quote" target="_blank">flyDTW1992</a> (<a href="#14" class="quote">Reply 14</a>):<br/><i>How can someone obtain that?!</i></f...

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by bilgerat
Sun Aug 16, 2015 8:16 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Typhoon Vs Sukhoi
Replies: 16
Views: 10645

RE: Typhoon Vs Sukhoi

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/angad84" class="quote" target="_blank">angad84</a> (<a href="#14" class="quote">Reply 14</a>):<br/><i>Quoting an IAF source (Group Captain Ashu ...

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by bilgerat
Tue Aug 11, 2015 10:53 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Usaf Has Been In Nonstop Combat 25 Years
Replies: 7
Views: 7691

RE: Usaf Has Been In Nonstop Combat 25 Years

Indeed, and given the RAF has been engaged in continuous combat operations since Operation Granby it's quite hard to reconcile with the service being at it's smallest size in history, smaller even than it was during the inter-war years.

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by bilgerat
Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:40 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Usaf Has Been In Nonstop Combat 25 Years
Replies: 7
Views: 7691

RE: Usaf Has Been In Nonstop Combat 25 Years

I believe the Royal Air Force has been running continous combat operations for the same period too.

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by bilgerat
Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:14 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Typhoon Vs Sukhoi
Replies: 16
Views: 10645

RE: Typhoon Vs Sukhoi

First of all I think it's worth noting the 12-0 score claim came from an NDTV reporter and not an official IAF source. Secondly, the RAF has published a polite rebuttal. The "score" is highly dependant on the scenario being practiced and the script being followed. Remember the IAF's 9-1 kill claim o...

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by bilgerat
Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:38 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: India Caps Rafale Acquisition At 36 Aircraft
Replies: 120
Views: 27683

RE: India Caps Rafale Acquisition At 36 Aircraft

Am I the only person that believes categorising fighters into generational groupings is a stupid idea that only came about when somebody needed to justify the enormous cost of the F-22 (and now F-35)?

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by bilgerat
Sat May 23, 2015 8:36 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: India Caps Rafale Acquisition At 36 Aircraft
Replies: 120
Views: 27683

RE: India Caps Rafale Acquisition At 36 Aircraft

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/ZeeZoo" class="quote" target="_blank">ZeeZoo</a> (<a href="#2" class="quote">Reply 2</a>):<br/><i> I highly doubt this. To implement a new aircr...

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by bilgerat
Sat May 23, 2015 1:44 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: India Caps Rafale Acquisition At 36 Aircraft
Replies: 120
Views: 27683

India Caps Rafale Acquisition At 36 Aircraft

This puts to bed the speculation as to what India's recent announcement of a direct Rafale acquisition from France meant for the wider MMRCA deal: https://www.defenseworld.net/news/13007/India_To_Cap_Dassault_Rafale_Orders_At_36__Defense_Minister#.VWAC20Zlx9k 36 aircraft to be purchased directly fro...

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by bilgerat
Sat May 23, 2015 11:03 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: 6 Former RAF L1011's Will Return To Active Service
Replies: 45
Views: 21227

RE: 6 Former RAF L1011's Will Return To Active Service

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/Spacepope" class="quote" target="_blank">KC135TopBoom</a> (<a href="#35" class="quote">Reply 34</a>):<br/><i>They are not military, they would b...

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by bilgerat
Sun Apr 05, 2015 7:06 am
Forum: Aviation Hobby
Topic: MilViz King Air 350i For FSX/P3D
Replies: 1
Views: 9409

RE: MilViz King Air 350i For FSX/P3D

I'm not too surprised. Colin Pearson isn't the most customer friendly persona in the <acronym title="STAF Argentina">FS</acronym> addon industry. That response is pretty much normal for him. He's far from the only one like it. The industry is littered with developers who are abrasive and offhand in ...

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by bilgerat
Sat Nov 22, 2014 11:26 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: The Xian Y-20 - A Blatant Rip-off?
Replies: 47
Views: 12866

RE: The Xian Y-20 - A Blatant Rip-off?

Then perhaps the C-17 ripped off the Il-76.... the 727 ripped off the <acronym title="Atlantic Coast Airlines (USA)">DH</acronym>.121.... the F-86 and MiG-15 ripped off the Ta 183.... the F-15 ripped off the MiG-25..... the B-2 ripped off the Ho 229..... the Spitfire, Typhoon, Tempest, P-40, P-51 an...

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by bilgerat
Sun Oct 19, 2014 3:15 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Meltdown Of The German Air Force?
Replies: 29
Views: 9034

RE: Meltdown Of The German Air Force?

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/ThePointblank" class="quote" target="_blank">ThePointblank</a> (<a href="#21" class="quote">Reply 21</a>):<br/><i> It doesn't help that the Euro...

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by bilgerat
Thu Sep 18, 2014 11:45 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: On Scottish Independence
Replies: 171
Views: 7931

RE: On Scottish Independence

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/nighthawk" class="quote" target="_blank">nighthawk</a> (<a href="#8" class="quote">Reply 8</a>):<br/><i>Scotland on the other hand operates at a...

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by bilgerat
Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:14 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: F-35 Engine Problems Hidden Since May
Replies: 38
Views: 11644

RE: F-35 Engine Problems Hidden Since May

Indeed. My metallurgy is a little bit rusty (see what I did there?  <img border=0 src="http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/graphics/smilies/biggrin.gif" width="15" height="15" border="0"/> ) but I'm really curious to see how they will solve this problem. The obvious solution is to stif...

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by bilgerat
Mon Sep 08, 2014 12:19 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: F-35 Engine Problems Hidden Since May
Replies: 38
Views: 11644

RE: F-35 Engine Problems Hidden Since May

<a href="http://aviationweek.com/defense/f-35-fire-search-solution" target="_blank">http://aviationweek.com/defense/f-35-fire-search-solution</a> - Despite claims the June 23rd fire on <acronym title="Air France">AF</acronym>-27 was a "one off" incident it would appear at least 5 F-35s have had thei...

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by bilgerat
Tue Sep 02, 2014 1:36 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: F-35 Engine Problems Hidden Since May
Replies: 38
Views: 11644

F-35 Engine Problems Hidden Since May

<a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-08-29/pratt-whitney-halted-f-35-engine-delivery-over-titanium.html" target="_blank">http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...engine-delivery-over-titanium.html</a> <a href="http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/feature/156613/p%26w%2C-others-hid-new-...

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by bilgerat
Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:23 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Under The Radar - A Novel (V-Force, 1960's)
Replies: 3
Views: 3757

RE: Under The Radar - A Novel (V-Force, 1960's)

Thanks GDB, I don't normally read fiction but have seen Under The Radar on my regular trawls of the Kindle Store. I read Empire of the Clouds a few years ago. It is indeed a good read - although the author does meander off on nostalgic tangents a bit too often for my liking. It's written more for th...

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by bilgerat
Sat Aug 16, 2014 1:06 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Scottish Air Force?
Replies: 13
Views: 4866

RE: Scottish Air Force?

At the risk of going political and <acronym title="Avant Airlines (Chile)">OT</acronym> for this forum... Salmond plays the politics of division very well - he's tapped into latent prejudices against England and has used them as a vehicle for his own brand of demagogue politics. The independence he'...

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by bilgerat
Sat Aug 16, 2014 8:22 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Scottish Air Force?
Replies: 13
Views: 4866

RE: Scottish Air Force?

A Scottish Air Force has to be looked at in the wider context of an independent Scotland. One of the main arguments for Scottish independence is the belief that Scotland contributes more financially to the UK than it gets back (aka "The English are stealing our money"). The last lot of figures I saw...

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by bilgerat
Sun Jun 15, 2014 7:53 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Claim; F-35 Stealthier Than F-22?
Replies: 31
Views: 24454

RE: Claim; F-35 Stealthier Than F-22?

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/KC135TopBoom" class="quote" target="_blank">KC135TopBoom</a> (<a href="#4" class="quote">Reply 4</a>):<br/><i>He wants as many as he can get. Th...

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by bilgerat
Wed May 28, 2014 2:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Manston Could Close
Replies: 105
Views: 18169

RE: Manston Could Close

Lydd is indeed a joke. It's in an even worse location than Manston, has a nuclear power station on one side, military ranges on the other, and is surrounded by environmentally sensitive areas. However, if you want to better understand why Lydd has had the green light, look into who owns it..... a me...

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by bilgerat
Wed May 28, 2014 1:32 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Manston Could Close
Replies: 105
Views: 18169

RE: Manston Could Close

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/gordonsmall" class="quote" target="_blank">gordonsmall</a> (<a href="#90" class="quote">Reply 90</a>):<br/><i>It's about time the locals just le...

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by bilgerat
Mon May 19, 2014 6:08 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: The Comanche And The Albatross (F-35)
Replies: 123
Views: 11637

RE: The Comanche And The Albatross (F-35)

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/infiniti329" class="quote" target="_blank">infiniti329</a> (<a href="#15" class="quote">Reply 15</a>):<br/><i>This basicly waters down the guard...

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by bilgerat
Mon May 19, 2014 3:03 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: The Comanche And The Albatross (F-35)
Replies: 123
Views: 11637

RE: The Comanche And The Albatross (F-35)

During Desert Storm I believe the F-117 was the only coalition aircraft that could successfully attack targets in the Baghdad area whilst the Iraqi air defence network was still largely functioning. Package Q on 19th January 1991 showed what happens when non-stealth aircraft try and penetrate defend...

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by bilgerat
Mon May 19, 2014 1:19 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: The Comanche And The Albatross (F-35)
Replies: 123
Views: 11637

RE: The Comanche And The Albatross (F-35)

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/seahawk" class="quote" target="_blank">seahawk</a> (<a href="#8" class="quote">Reply 8</a>):<br/><i>But on the other hand nations able to field ...

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by bilgerat
Mon May 19, 2014 12:13 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: The Comanche And The Albatross (F-35)
Replies: 123
Views: 11637

RE: The Comanche And The Albatross (F-35)

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/seahawk" class="quote" target="_blank">seahawk</a> (<a href="#5" class="quote">Reply 5</a>):<br/><i> If the enemy fields just 100 5th gen. fight...

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by bilgerat
Mon May 19, 2014 12:04 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: The Comanche And The Albatross (F-35)
Replies: 123
Views: 11637

RE: The Comanche And The Albatross (F-35)

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote" ><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/nomadd22" class="quote" target="_blank">nomadd22</a> (<a href="#4" class="quote">Reply 4</a>):<br/><i>More nonsense that ignores the very basi...

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by bilgerat
Mon May 19, 2014 9:55 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: The Comanche And The Albatross (F-35)
Replies: 123
Views: 11637

RE: The Comanche And The Albatross (F-35)

I agree the chances of F-35 being cancelled are pretty much nil. As you say there are simply too many lobby dollars invested now for that to happen. The overall arc of the author's argument - that pursuing the 5th gen high tech approach to the exclusion of all else is misguided - I very much agree w...

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by bilgerat
Mon May 19, 2014 8:40 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: The Comanche And The Albatross (F-35)
Replies: 123
Views: 11637

The Comanche And The Albatross (F-35)

Here's something a friend sent me: <a href="http://www.au.af.mil/au/afri/aspj/digital/pdf/articles/2014-May-Jun/F-Pietrucha.pdf?source=GovD" target="_blank">http://www.au.af.mil/au/afri/aspj/di...ay-Jun/F-Pietrucha.pdf?source=GovD</a> It's quite a long read but well worth it. The case made is how th...

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