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by masseybrown
Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1349
Views: 107974

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

^I agree, nc, nothing is going to be easy. Options are further limited if the current RTA train tracks have to be retained. You don't want to put people out of work by tearing down any hangars or disturbing NASA. Lots of choices, all bad. :shock:

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by masseybrown
Tue Sep 25, 2018 5:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1349
Views: 107974

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

I ponder if CLE will build its new terminals on top of the existing ones (a la SLC and MIA), or demolish the I-X Center and clear the surrounding land (relocating the cargo ramp). The city needs to leave the I-X Center alone. It accommodates conventions that won't fit anywhere else; it brings the c...

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by masseybrown
Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1349
Views: 107974

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

swacle wrote:
According to Enilria's thread DL is dropping CLE-SLC in February.


Looking at Delta's schedule, it comes back in March.

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by masseybrown
Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Start-up airline Swiss Skies plans to start flying BSL-CVG in 2019
Replies: 62
Views: 8417

Re: Start-up airline Swiss Skies plans to start flying BSL-CVG in 2019

Remember when Virgin America was trying to get going? They said they would fly to a long list of "underserved" cities. That was to get political support from the politicians representing those cities. So where did they actually fly? To the usual big markets. That's what Swiss Skies is tryi...

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by masseybrown
Fri Sep 21, 2018 1:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1349
Views: 107974

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

fun2fly wrote:
Any idea on what % the government would chip in on a $1bn project?


Not much. The FAA funds runways, control towers, and air traffic management. Other than distributing passenger facility charges, they don't pay for terminals.

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by masseybrown
Fri Sep 21, 2018 4:48 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1349
Views: 107974

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Any idea what the debt will look like in 2021 when this is done? Along those lines, what in the hell takes 3 years to make a master plan? Wouldn't you pay $1mm more to get it in 12-18 months? The debt should come down at least $50 million a year - so by the end of 2021 it would be about $450 millio...

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by masseybrown
Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1349
Views: 107974

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Ultimate is working on getting money to add 3 cities from LUK every year for 5 years. Sounds like the first adds to come will be LUK-BNA and another daily flight to PDK. Should be interesting to see if they offer the BKL-LUK-PDX connection again, or possibly CLT/BNA. https://www.bizjournals.com/cin...

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by masseybrown
Thu Sep 20, 2018 3:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1349
Views: 107974

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

what hurts is that CLE is very drivable to some of the largest flying markets-- Chicago, DC, NY, Toronto, Philly. . . . Another factor that killed short-haul flying is the TSA-imposed time and trouble hassle that arrived post 9/11 - which marked a big drop in CLE (and all short haul) traffic number...

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by masseybrown
Thu Sep 20, 2018 4:05 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1349
Views: 107974

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Clevelanders are also extremely defensive .... It’s one of Cleveland’s least flattering qualities, the defensiveness and the inferiority complex, and I like to point it out and assert it’s unneccessary. I think things are changing. Last time I was there I met a few people who are in charge of a few...

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by masseybrown
Wed Sep 19, 2018 5:35 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1349
Views: 107974

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

There is an interesting comment in the JetBlue System thread: namely that B6 is looking hard at axing 6-8 cities soon. Cutting cities may be what they have to do to increase service in their other smallish points. CLE fans can easily come up with where they could put a few more flights, but does B6 ...

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by masseybrown
Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1349
Views: 107974

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

The running narrative is basically that CLE is always getting hosed by the universe. You're close. :smile: The fact is Clevelanders are desperate for the population decline to turn around. It's close; last year the MSA decline was less than the murder and OD death rate. So while the addition of Way...

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by masseybrown
Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1349
Views: 107974

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Where is the evidence that it now includes Wayne County, give us the website please. ...... No CLE catchment area is more comparable to PIT, CVG,IND, and CMH, and the passenger numbers reflect that. https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Bulletin-18-04.pdf I have no idea what that se...

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by masseybrown
Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:08 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1349
Views: 107974

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

The "city" boards are full of it, so I guess it's worth mentioning here. The city officially grew by 114,520 people, at least as the Census Bureau and OMB define CSAs. The Cleveland CSA now includes Wayne County and numbers 3,600,211, so the airport's claim of a 4 million person catchment ...

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by masseybrown
Sun Sep 16, 2018 2:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1349
Views: 107974

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

DoT put out June numbers on Friday. JetBlue and Southwest are worth commenting on. Columns are for June 18 and June 17 Jet Blue Boardings 12,059 11,897 Dep flights ..117 ... 117 Load Factor 90.92% .. 89.0% 91% L/F means lots of flights are departing full but B6 probably can't do much to increase ser...

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by masseybrown
Wed Sep 12, 2018 3:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1349
Views: 107974

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Geowizical wrote:
Total Passengers
July YTD 2018: 5,592,111
July YTD 2017: 5,230,927
% Change: 6.9%


This predicts a total 2018 count of about 9.7 million. I expected a bit more, but (as lakeeffect pointed out months ago) there really wasn't much capacity expansion this year.

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by masseybrown
Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:09 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1349
Views: 107974

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

^ Looking just at the international numbers, in July 13,487 int'l passengers boarded in CLE, which was up 59% from the year before, so the gain was approx. 4966 pax. Since non-KEF int'l service was about the same both years, let's attribute the whole 4966 to KEF flights of which there were 38 in Jul...

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by masseybrown
Mon Sep 10, 2018 8:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1349
Views: 107974

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

For int'l flights airports almost always require an airline to fly the route for at least 2 years in order to receive subsidies. It is meant to stop F9 style moves I believe the question will be will they return in 2020, when the subsidies are gone I checked old posts plus a Susan Glaser (newspaper...

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by masseybrown
Mon Sep 10, 2018 5:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1349
Views: 107974

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

For int'l flights airports almost always require an airline to fly the route for at least 2 years in order to receive subsidies. It is meant to stop F9 style moves I believe the question will be will they return in 2020, when the subsidies are gone I checked old posts plus a Susan Glaser (newspaper...

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by masseybrown
Mon Sep 10, 2018 4:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1349
Views: 107974

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

swacle wrote:
Anyone know what's up with the white tail A330 sitting on the deice pad this morning? Nothing on flightaware and it's too far for me to get a reg number.


Guessing: UAE has an all-white A330 used by their govt.

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by masseybrown
Mon Sep 10, 2018 3:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1349
Views: 107974

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

WOW says they'll be back in the spring - no date specified. https://www.cleveland.com/travel/index.ssf/2018/09/wow_air_will_return_to_clevela.html Aren’t they required to come back for next year based on the subsidies. Their return in 2019 was an open question at the time of their last announcement...

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by masseybrown
Mon Sep 10, 2018 3:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1349
Views: 107974

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

https://www.cleveland.com/travel/index. ... evela.html
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WOW says they'll be back in the spring - no date specified.

https://www.cleveland.com/travel/index. ... evela.html

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by masseybrown
Sun Sep 09, 2018 2:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The rest of Ohio - 2018
Replies: 1494
Views: 121496

Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

http://www.dispatch.com/news/20180908/airports-aviation-industry-push-for-ohio-air-service-incentives New article by the Dispatch about the industry wanting CRAA to push for more incentives for new service. It's not only CRAA, but OAA is part of it as well (and the $15M pool is one of their ideas)-...

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by masseybrown
Fri Sep 07, 2018 2:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WW and FI Both Suspend Cleveland
Replies: 84
Views: 8646

Re: WW and FI Both Suspend Cleveland

I'd like to see FI take the KEF route from WW and then bring a carrier in that serves another destination before we decide how many carriers CLE can handle. Dosen't seem like a ridiculous notion. CLE airport head Kennedy said that traffic between the CLE catchment and Europe is 350 passengers PDEW ...

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by masseybrown
Wed Sep 05, 2018 4:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1349
Views: 107974

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018



A310 operating RUH-SNN-CLE arrived on Monday; heading home today.

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by masseybrown
Wed Sep 05, 2018 3:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1349
Views: 107974

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

On a positive note, after switching to 757s, Fedex has resumed running A306s to IND the past couple of nights. And on an even more positive note, Directional Aviation, based at the Cuyahoga County airport, has acquired PrivateFly of the UK, a private charter booking service. The article notes that D...

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by masseybrown
Tue Sep 04, 2018 4:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 1489
Views: 138797

Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Maybe, maybe not. As ties between the UK and EU shrink they may well expand between the UK and US to compensate. Then again they may not either. I think its too early to make any kind of accurate prediction as to what changes will occur, only that some type of change is likely. Only time will tell....

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by masseybrown
Tue Sep 04, 2018 2:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 1489
Views: 138797

Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Well given the UK is outside the Schengen Zone even whilst in the UK, nothing changes post Brexit for visitors entering the UK then moving on to the mainland. And transfer traffic doesn't enter the UK then leave so again I cant see any change to transfer traffic. So not sure how this might in itsel...

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by masseybrown
Fri Aug 31, 2018 5:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1349
Views: 107974

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

2017 vs 2016 Net debt ............. 684.6 .... 724.3 Anyway getting the debt down another 40 million well into the 600's is very positive; the bond rating services should up the credit rating . Now and then I get one right. :smile: https://www.cleveland.com/cityhall/index.ssf/2018/08/sp_moodys_boos...

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by masseybrown
Fri Aug 31, 2018 3:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OneJet is on its last leg
Replies: 46
Views: 9378

Re: OneJet is on its last leg

SkyVoice wrote:
Why is OneJet beginning to remind me of the 2014 version of People Express? Does anyone else see the similarities?


It reminds me of a small version of Theranos: a super-salesman CEO with nothing behind her (him in this case).

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by masseybrown
Wed Aug 29, 2018 6:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1349
Views: 107974

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

https://www.cleveland.com/travel/index. ... _cuts.html
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Allegiant blames CLE flight reduction on MD-80 retirement:

https://www.cleveland.com/travel/index. ... _cuts.html

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by masseybrown
Tue Aug 28, 2018 8:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why does Delta fly CLE-BDL?
Replies: 37
Views: 4027

Re: Why does Delta fly CLE-BDL?

enilria wrote:
I don't know who it is, but I agree it is a corporate contract


My bet would be on United Technologies.

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by masseybrown
Tue Aug 28, 2018 6:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1349
Views: 107974

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Is each city pair specific to one airline? Yes, and (theoretically) the government traveler is not supposed to switch carriers without the permission of the ticket-issuing office. These fares can also be used by non-govt people who are travelling under invitational travel orders. For example, if yo...

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by masseybrown
Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1349
Views: 107974

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Dup. post. Sorry.

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by masseybrown
Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1349
Views: 107974

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

I see a Skyteam flight to CDG or AMS as very possible, and like CO's CLE-CDG flight, it could be done without subsidy given the markets on each side of the Atlantic. CO wanted the Skyteam flight to be CLE-AMS, it was Mayor Jackson who insisted on CDG. AMS or CDG probably could be done without subsi...

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by masseybrown
Mon Aug 27, 2018 6:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: NW/KLM - The Alliance From Hell
Replies: 22
Views: 6620

Re: NW/KLM - The Alliance From Hell

It was the debt that KLM complained about that eventually forced over-leveraged NW into the DL merger.

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by masseybrown
Mon Aug 27, 2018 3:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1349
Views: 107974

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

According to posts elsewhere, UA is running a couple of revenue flights this week CLE-MSN to support a medical conference. Eds&meds were the reasons CO started CLE-MSN in the first place. These are plain revenue flights not charters. Up on Sunday; back on Thursday. Minor item, obviously; but it ...

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by masseybrown
Sat Aug 25, 2018 6:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 1489
Views: 138797

Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

flyPIT wrote:
No need to make getting Paris service a priority at this point.


If Brexit occurs next March, I think in the long run a Euro Zone hub destination will be more valuable than LHR. Whether it's DUB, CDG, AMS, or FRA isn't so important, but it needs to be one of them.

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by masseybrown
Sat Aug 25, 2018 6:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What is the aviation impact of a no-deal Brexit?
Replies: 189
Views: 11886

Re: What is the aviation impact of a no-deal Brexit?

Irrespective of exact legalities on March 29th, it's fair to assume that LHR with see a relative long-term decline in its share of TATL traffic. In absolute numbers, this probably favors the other Euro-hubs more than it hurts LHR.

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by masseybrown
Thu Aug 23, 2018 3:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1349
Views: 107974

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Regarding another TATL route, will LHR will remain CLE's biggest European destination post-Brexit (which will happen, theoretically, next March 29th)? There will be lots of reasons in favor of more traffic at AMS, CDG, DUB, or FRA. In aggregate, Cleveland area businesses have more connections with t...

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by masseybrown
Thu Aug 23, 2018 4:05 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta ending PIT-CDG
Replies: 120
Views: 13657

Re: Delta ending PIT-CDG

Was PIT-CDG always planned to end on September 3rd? Or was that date moved forward?

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by masseybrown
Thu Aug 23, 2018 3:59 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1349
Views: 107974

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Robert1010 wrote:
They also cut EWR-CDG , hopes up !


That EWR reduction could just be a route swap with AF within their joint venture.

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by masseybrown
Wed Aug 22, 2018 6:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta ending PIT-CDG
Replies: 120
Views: 13657

Re: Delta ending PIT-CDG

CLE has been mentioned on this thread. Does the 757 or any other narrow body have the legs for CLE-FRA round trip? CLE-FRA is 3599nm. I believe CO's longest 757 route was EWR-TXL - 3458nm, and westbound there were occasional fuel stops. So I'd say CLE-FRA is not a good candidate for today's narrow ...

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by masseybrown
Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta ending PIT-CDG
Replies: 120
Views: 13657

Re: Delta ending PIT-CDG

I would bet DL asked for the reinstatement of revenue guarantees again to continue the route in the face of the BA subsidy and PIT said no. I doubt this happened without discussions.

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by masseybrown
Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1349
Views: 107974

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

https://www.cleveland.com/travel/index. ... e_t_2.html
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Sounds as if Ultimate will walk away from the wreckage of OneJet unscathed. Hope they get paid for the current flying they're doing.

https://www.cleveland.com/travel/index. ... e_t_2.html

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by masseybrown
Fri Aug 17, 2018 12:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OneJet is on its last leg
Replies: 46
Views: 9378

Re: OneJet is on its last leg

It seems like Ultimate is the only one that can make this business model work. I am sure actually operating the aircraft and having charters ops to fill the gap helps make a big difference. Hopefully Ultimate can learn a lesson from this and keep expanding on their own. Rock-bottom acquisition pric...

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by masseybrown
Fri Aug 17, 2018 3:15 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1349
Views: 107974

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Breakdown of May, '18 CLE domestic-only boardings: Airline 5/18 ... 5/19 ...LF% ... LF% Thanks for sharing the data. I assume the comparison is 5/18 vs. 5/ 17 ? Also, any way to also get data for the regional partners. I would assume UA +UAX would still be the largest carrier in CLE. Can't wait to ...

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by masseybrown
Fri Aug 17, 2018 2:59 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Is it time to close LGA?
Replies: 90
Views: 11090

Re: Is it time to close LGA?

If the climate change people are correct, sea rise will cause serious runway flooding problems at LGA in the 2030s. Perhaps this can be addressed by building dikes; but nobody seems to talk about it.

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by masseybrown
Thu Aug 16, 2018 6:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1349
Views: 107974

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Breakdown of May, '18 CLE domestic-only boardings: Airline 5/18 ... 5/19 ...LF% ... LF% G4 . 11,982 ... 13,036 ... 84.4 .. 74.4 ... down 8.5% AA . 34,953 ... 25,772 ... 89.5 .. 81.6 ... up 35.6% DL . 32,917 ... 30,041 ... 89.3 .. 81.6 ... up 9.6% F9 . 46,774 ... 56,522 ... 88.6 .. 82.5 ... down 17.2...

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