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by masseybrown
Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 654
Views: 79111

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

DoT posted March data. CLE domestic boardings were 411.6K up 5.4% over March, '18. a nice bump up over the very small increases shown in Jan and Feb. First quarter domestic boardings were 1043.0 million up from 1010.3 million and up 3.25%. 10 million total traffic for the year looks possible.. Firs...

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by masseybrown
Sat Jun 15, 2019 5:00 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 654
Views: 79111

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

DoT posted March data. CLE domestic boardings were 411.6K up 5.4% over March, '18. a nice bump up over the very small increases shown in Jan and Feb. Firat quarter domestic boardings were 1043.0 million up from 1010.3 million and up 3.25%. 10 million total traffic for the year looks possible..

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by masseybrown
Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 654
Views: 79111

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Looking at the numbers it seems that CLE is doing a great job of recovering traffic Lost when they lost the CO/ UA hub. I think CLE can catch up to their peak 2000 numbers soon. That for instance compared to STL, where they’re barely at 50% of the traffic of the TWA days despite the WN growth. What...

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by masseybrown
Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 654
Views: 79111

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

The difference five years makes ... CLE's top ten destinations with trailing 12 month passenger totals for Feb 2014 and Feb 2019 ORD 359K ... ATL 458K CLT 232K ... ORD 410K ATL 210K ... DEN 240K MDW 209K ... MCO 230K IAH 185K ... CLT 195K BWI 164K ... MDW 185K EWR 161K ... LAS 185K LGA 153K ... DFW ...

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by masseybrown
Thu Jun 06, 2019 4:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 654
Views: 79111

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

The VW speculation was based on the Ford-VW cooperation agreement signed last winter for trucks and electric/self-driving vehicles. Admittedly the details of the agreement are somewhere between fuzzy and unknown; but there was one report that said future co-op efforts would use existing facilities a...

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by masseybrown
Sun Jun 02, 2019 3:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 654
Views: 79111

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Also, the UA fall sked shows CLE is up to 23 mainline flights; I believe this is up about 6 from last year. The small growth in the CLE crew domicile recently must be a reflection.

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by masseybrown
Sun Jun 02, 2019 2:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 654
Views: 79111

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

A couple of flights here ... a couple of flights there ... I hadn't noticed how CLE service to the Virginia/Carolina/Georgia coast had grown to 23 flights a week this summer, spread among ORF, MYR, CHS, and SAV. https://www.cleveland.com/business/2019/06/cleveland-hopkins-ups-service-to-southeast-co...

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Runway28L wrote:
Pics of Condor arriving, with some more of British Airways and the 911th Airlift Wing
https://www.flickr.com/photos/154462236 ... 8863756471


Very nice pix!

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by masseybrown
Sat Jun 01, 2019 4:38 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 654
Views: 79111

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Some info on the Ford plants: For "producing game-changing automotive technologies...At least one of the game changing technologies is the plasma ignition system, also known as the sparkless ignition, according to a party involved with sales transaction." What's the airport impact? More f...

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by masseybrown
Thu May 30, 2019 6:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 654
Views: 79111

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Massey! You can't tease us like that. Please share the rumor. Sorry, I probably shouldn't have said anything. If my rumor comes true it won't generate anything like a new hub, but it would probably generate one very nice new route. Back to CLE-FLL: WN has added four flights on the four Saturdays th...

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by masseybrown
Thu May 30, 2019 3:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 654
Views: 79111

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

There's now a CLE-FLL line on WN's route map, but I can't find any flights in the schedule extension. Maybe it's not all loaded yet. Its in there check the last few Saturdays in the schedule, 5am departure CLE-FLL Ok, I see it. 5:10AM departure for $161 lowest fare. I guess that's cheper than drivi...

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by masseybrown
Thu May 30, 2019 3:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 654
Views: 79111

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Let's see ... 5AM departure, get to the airport by 4AM, leave home by 3AM, get the kids up at 2:30AM, get self up by 2AM ... It better be cheap.

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by masseybrown
Thu May 30, 2019 2:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 654
Views: 79111

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

There's now a CLE-FLL line on WN's route map, but I can't find any flights in the schedule extension. Maybe it's not all loaded yet.

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by masseybrown
Wed May 29, 2019 5:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 654
Views: 79111

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

This is a slender thread to hang on ... but ... IcelandAir has not removed CLE from its route map and destination list. DFW, another discontinued city, HAS been dropped from the map/dest. list. I wonder if they are planning to try again after the Max grounding thing is over - say spring of '20. Last...

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by masseybrown
Tue May 28, 2019 5:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 654
Views: 79111

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

At this point, United operating this route is just a luxury for Cleveland and not really necessary. I think that's true of CUN and the Florida routes as well. They probably do it to give their frequent fliers some mileage burners. If, as, and when that base of business melts away, so will the routes.

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by masseybrown
Mon May 27, 2019 7:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 654
Views: 79111

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Going by the schedule, September 3rd will be the last AA MD-80 flight at CLE, all 738s thereafter..

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by masseybrown
Mon May 27, 2019 4:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 654
Views: 79111

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

There is interesting speculation in Crain's Cleveland about the sale of the inactive half of the Ford engine works near the airport as well as the old Walton Hills stamping plant to a single buyer. The paper says it would be a "game-changer." Well, we've heard that before, but who knows? ...

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by masseybrown
Mon May 27, 2019 5:34 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 654
Views: 79111

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

There is interesting speculation in Crain's Cleveland about the sale of the inactive half of the Ford engine works near the airport as well as the old Walton Hills stamping plant to a single buyer. The paper says it would be a "game-changer." Well, we've heard that before, but who knows? I...

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by masseybrown
Fri May 24, 2019 2:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 654
Views: 79111

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

I noticed Castle Aviation, a freight feeder, has switched from Cessna Caravans to Fairchild-Swearingen SA-227s. Specs are a little scanty on cargo versions of the new plane. Is this a step up in capacity for them?

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by masseybrown
Wed May 22, 2019 2:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 654
Views: 79111

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

If a delegation from Aer Lingus has visited recently, I'm sure our state-of-the-art FIS facility is of more than a passing interest. That's the beauty of pre-clearance. No customs/immigration at US airports; it all happens in Dublin. Presumably an EI flight arriving in CLE would just pull into any ...

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by masseybrown
Wed May 22, 2019 7:04 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 654
Views: 79111

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

izbtmnhd wrote:
Congrats on SW wanting maybe to build a big building. What does this have to with CLE?


As former poster LakeEffect said about a year ago, there isn't much CLE news, hence the big drop in postings to the thread..

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by masseybrown
Tue May 21, 2019 1:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 654
Views: 79111

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

This is some dude’s blog. Not news. He's good at it though and has good sources - used to be a reporter for the Sun suburban papers - and he was quoted by cleveland.com this morning. To add something aviation related, the Sherwin Williams merger is probably the reason for the two 717's on the four-...

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by masseybrown
Mon May 20, 2019 3:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 654
Views: 79111

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Ncflyer: I've read your posts to articles in the PD. Apparently Susan Glaser disaproved of my critique of Cleveland politicians and deleted my posts. My understanding of cleveland.com "censorship" is that it's very democratic. If the post gets some magic number of negative clicks, it's au...

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by masseybrown
Sat May 18, 2019 5:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Are Airbus and Boeing closer than we think?
Replies: 16
Views: 3830

Re: Are Airbus and Boeing closer than we think?

Boeing, Douglas, Lockheed, and Convair used to help each other out when safety issues arose for any one of them. I don't see why Boeing and Airbus wouldn't do the same.

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by masseybrown
Fri May 17, 2019 2:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 654
Views: 79111

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

UA having second thought about its future in CLE? https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/united-airlines-continues-network-expansion-with-new-florida-service-300830123.html The newly released DoT Feb numbers show UA has bulked up *mainline* ops a bit at CLE: month-year / boardings / flights / CLE...

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by masseybrown
Fri May 17, 2019 2:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 654
Views: 79111

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Looks like they are getting closer to signing a deal for the new master plan. It can't come soon enough! https://www.ideastream.org/news/cleveland-hopkins-director-excited-for-airports-future Interesting and encouraging comment by Kennedy - I wish I knew more precisely what he meant by "We are...

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by masseybrown
Mon May 13, 2019 3:26 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: What comes after the B797 ??
Replies: 74
Views: 8395

Re: What comes after the B797 ??

I doubt there even will be a 797. Boeing will come up with something new to disassociate the product from association with the 787 and Max series troubles.

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by masseybrown
Mon May 13, 2019 1:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 654
Views: 79111

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

flyPIT wrote:
masseybrown wrote:
No specifics, but the decision on Aer Lingus TATL expansion appears to be at the IAG level.

I would think that was the case since the day EI was acquired...


Unquestionably. Just pointing out where the ball lies at the moment.

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by masseybrown
Mon May 13, 2019 4:47 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 654
Views: 79111

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

"Chief executive Willie Walsh has said his IAG board heard a strong case this week from Aer Lingus bosses for further expansion out of Ireland across the Atlantic." https://www.breakingnews.ie/business/iag-boss-willie-walsh-reveals-aer-lingus-early-plans-for-new-atlantic-routes-923424.html...

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by masseybrown
Wed May 08, 2019 4:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 654
Views: 79111

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Trk1 wrote:
How to pay for airport parking seems to be very low on the priority list. Take the Rapid and you do not even need to pay to park up to 5 days


Where I live, the trade off is three days. 3 or less = parking. 4 or more = Uber.

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by masseybrown
Tue May 07, 2019 3:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 654
Views: 79111

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

There was an off-the-wall comment on cleveland.com (of all places) suggesting that the airport parking lots use EZPass to collect the fees. This seems like a genuinely great idea - I know in DC the parking fees can cross the $100 line in less that a week and inevitably I'm in line behind someone who...

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by masseybrown
Mon May 06, 2019 6:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ultimate Air Shuttle new adds: Pittsburgh/Manassas/Morristown-Outer Banks
Replies: 29
Views: 3639

Re: Ultimate Air Shuttle new adds: Pittsburgh/Manassas/Morristown-Outer Banks

https://ultimateairshuttle.com/seasonal-flights/

They also provide weekend flying to Atlantic City which I believe is subsidized by the Borgata Hotel. Is anybody on the banks putting up a guarantee? Twiddy and Co?
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Details from Ultimate:

https://ultimateairshuttle.com/seasonal-flights/

They also provide weekend flying to Atlantic City which I believe is subsidized by the Borgata Hotel. Is anybody on the banks putting up a guarantee? Twiddy and Co?

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by masseybrown
Sat May 04, 2019 5:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ultimate Air Shuttle new adds: Pittsburgh/Manassas/Morristown-Outer Banks
Replies: 29
Views: 3639

Re: Ultimate Air Shuttle new adds: Pittsburgh/Manassas/Morristown-Outer Banks

OBX!!! So that's what all those car stickers mean. Tons of them in the Wash DC area and the drive is nasty on weekends. I think Ultimate will find a market, if they have the time and resources to allow it to build.

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by masseybrown
Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 654
Views: 79111

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

I'm encouraged by the revisit of the Aer Lingus folks and by the info that Eaton (the fifth largest US business in Ireland) is party to the discussions. I've lost the refeence that EI was back for another talk (Scott Suttell in Crain's?), but this says Eaton was at the table: https://ohioaviation.we...

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by masseybrown
Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 654
Views: 79111

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

On a different note - the red eye from LAX UA1786 happens to be N37267 the 1st United aircraft sporting the new livery. Enroute and due in to CLE at 6:10 am. Turning around doing CLE to LAX at 7:19 am As far as I know, these are the first 2 revenue flights for the aircraft with the new livery. Wond...

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by masseybrown
Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The Rest of Ohio - 2019
Replies: 502
Views: 69448

Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

...(Using Day and CAK) can eliminate an hour's drive to CMH/LCK/CVG from Dayton and CLE from Akron/Canton (ignoring other more remote areas like along I-77). An hour's drive *OR MORE*, during rush hour or any kind of precipitation, is what it takes to get to all of Washington's airports (DCA, IAD, ...

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by masseybrown
Fri Apr 12, 2019 2:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: CLE prior to UA hub closure
Replies: 32
Views: 3913

Re: CLE prior to UA hub closure

There has to be a market for CLE-CVG and CLE-IND today, right? Not CLE-CVG, but BKL-LUK is pretty popular and is Ultimate Shuttle's biggest route. Twice daily on Mon-Fri with J328s, it's a obviously a business route running just under 20K pax a year. It's not cheap, but it's as hassle-free as flyin...

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by masseybrown
Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 654
Views: 79111

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

There was minor comment last week in the Financial Times (sorry, can't find link) that said Icelandair's management (since January) is concentrating on profitability, not expansion. Since the interim CEO of last August was only made permanent in December, that may account for the on-again/off-again ...

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by masseybrown
Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 654
Views: 79111

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

CLE finally put out some 2019 numbers: Total traffic in thousands Feb19 ...Jan19 ... Feb 18 ... 19toDate .. 18toDate 643.8 ... 655.9 ... 625.2 ....... 1299.8 ... 1266.1 ..... Domestic 13.7 ..... 13.7 ..... 14.0 ......... 27.4 ........27.4 ....... Intl 657.5 ... 669.6 ... 639.2 ........1327.1 ....129...

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by masseybrown
Tue Apr 09, 2019 4:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 654
Views: 79111

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Hilarious in context of cleveland.com posters— you’d think CAK was growing like a weed the way so many people post about how they will flee CLE for CAK in light of the ground transportation fiasco et al. I don't wish anything bad for CAK; but when CLE offers the only non-stop flight, it pulls almos...

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by masseybrown
Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 654
Views: 79111

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Cleveland Scene says that of the $2 million in promised support to the now-departed Icelanders, only $238,000 was actually spent. The balance of the committment will be folded back into the airport's promotion budget. https://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2019/04/04/what-happened-to-t...

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by masseybrown
Tue Apr 02, 2019 4:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 654
Views: 79111

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Couple of answers ... :smile:
1) 2021
2) The airport user fees will pay most costs.
3) Looking at the bidders' list only about 4 attended the bidders conference.

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by masseybrown
Tue Apr 02, 2019 2:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 654
Views: 79111

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Optimistic, yes. I think, however, the options for the master plan are radically fewer than a blank piece of paper would offer. I believe the contractor will be told not to consider major road work (relocation of 237 or 17) or demolition of the IX Center, leaving relatively few choices other than so...

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by masseybrown
Tue Apr 02, 2019 2:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 654
Views: 79111

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Trying to work out a timeline for a new terminal ... Award Master Plan support contract awarded - October, 2019 Deliver Master Plan - January, 2021 (Airport debt: ~$500 million) City determines how to procede - July, 2021 Construction contract solicitation - January, 2022 (Airport debt: ~$425 millio...

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by masseybrown
Fri Mar 29, 2019 7:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 654
Views: 79111

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

For BA/DL/LH, the question is where does the CLE business pax want to connect? Because even if CLE got a LH flight for example, would a CLE business pax heading to London opt for CLE-FRA-LHR, or would they still want to fly say CLE-PHL-LHR instead? They are still making a connection, the only quest...

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by masseybrown
Thu Mar 28, 2019 5:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 654
Views: 79111

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

That doesn't count the elephants in the room - the Cleveland Clinic ... Actually most medical researchers are amazingly frequent flyers, since federal grants favor multi-lab collaborations. You could add CWRU, UH, and CSU to the list. There is no question that the area generates enough traffic to s...

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by masseybrown
Thu Mar 28, 2019 4:30 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 654
Views: 79111

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

LH adding CLE-FRA nonstop service might be a possibility . The problem with LH is their smallest TATL plane is the A333 with 236 seats, too big and too premium-heavy for CLE-FRA. Best bet: sit tight and see what EI has to say about 2020. WW and FI, after, all did carry ~1170 departing pax a week la...

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by masseybrown
Sat Mar 23, 2019 4:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WOW Ceases Operations
Replies: 964
Views: 153905

Re: WOW Financial Discussion Thread

Maybe FI could wet-lease a couple of WW 321s to make up for their grounded Max8s. A little cash flow couldn't hurt.

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by masseybrown
Sun Mar 17, 2019 5:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 654
Views: 79111

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Unfortunately (looking ahead to June) the earliest departure from NYC to CLE is 10 am and going from Cleveland to NYC only has 1 departure after 1:30 pm... curious if this will work for them.... Same thing from DCA, although it's always been a 10 o'clock hour departure since the DCA-CLE flights beg...

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