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by airtechy
Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:07 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AF447 - 10 Years Later
Replies: 96
Views: 17479

Re: AF447 - 10 Years Later

Does the A220 have linked sidesticks? Tracking throttles?

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by airtechy
Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:29 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Why would an airline choose the B737 Max vs The A320 NEO
Replies: 50
Views: 11662

Re: Why would an airline choose the B737 Max vs The A320 NEO

Seems to perform better at taking out brick walls or runway excursions. Not as good floating. You mean like the A320 that flew into the trees or LH A320 that ran off the end of the runway at WAW because they ignored pilot control inputs, something a Boeing airplane would never do. ;) In the A320 in...

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by airtechy
Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5474
Views: 716312

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

There were two Youtube videos that went into great detail about the training that Easyjet pilots got that qualified them as FO's on A320's at 200 hours...starting from 0 hours. I think they were pulled for copyright issues, but may be on the web somewhere. Not everyone made it through the training, ...

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by airtechy
Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:02 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5474
Views: 716312

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

If would be interesting to hear from MAX pilots as to when the autopilot is selected, but I am led to believe that it is soon after the gear is raised. I personally always fly manually up to 10,000ft. MAX or NG. But most guys/girls select it typically around acceleration altitude. (800ft AGL minimu...

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by airtechy
Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:51 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5474
Views: 716312

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

In the context of trying to understand what happened here, it would be helpful if we knew exactly when the pilot made his request to return because of aircraft problems (I don't think it has been confirmed if he said "control problems") to better construct a "timeline". If he mad...

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by airtechy
Sun Feb 24, 2019 8:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas
Replies: 1727
Views: 385632

Re: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

It would be interesting to know when the last transponder return was received by Flight Radar 24. In the Houston area, I would think that there are several receiving sites. Some may be closer to the crash site than the controller site which would be at the radar site. This might show better how clos...

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by airtechy
Fri Feb 01, 2019 4:15 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta AMS-JFK Cancels for Drunk FO
Replies: 129
Views: 22762

Re: Delta AMS-JFK Cancels for Drunk FO

I'm reminded of the former NWA crew who actually flew drunk, were caught, somehow got through re-hab ... possibly through the help of NW's managment.. , and at least one returned to flying. In fact, retired flying the 747 as I recall.

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by airtechy
Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3188
Views: 594143

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang

If i recall, most of the wreckage of the Swissair MD11 that went down in Peggy's Cove was retrieved by dredging. Also, I'm not sure that the CVR was found at the bottom of the mud and silt. The article is not clear. Having starting my 50 year flying career in a Cessna 150, I was not privileged enoug...

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by airtechy
Fri Nov 30, 2018 2:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3188
Views: 594143

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang

It would be interesting to know how the MCAS "nose down" trim rate compares to the yoke trim "up" rate.

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by airtechy
Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3188
Views: 594143

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang

Will as I see it the minute anyone admits that what happened was in fact a "runaway trim" or a "runaway stabilizer" as the preliminary report calls it, there is a "procedure" for that .. the cutoff switches ... and so it's to some parties advantage to never let it be ca...

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by airtechy
Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3188
Views: 594143

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang

I was once tasked to review the design of a car anti-skid control part. It needed to have zero rate output when the car was not turning, but unfortunately had an unknown error that had to be nulled. I suggested they null it to zero when the car was started. Someone pointed out to me .. "what ha...

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by airtechy
Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3188
Views: 594143

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang

The AOA between the left and right were 20 degrees off even during taxi. Seems like a pretty simple system self-test would have been to check the agreement of the two angle-of-attack indicators whenever the wheels are on the ground. https://leehamnews.com/2018/11/28/indonesian-authorities-release-p...

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by airtechy
Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3188
Views: 594143

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang

If you study the trim system Zeke posted in post #1800, it appears that the FCC does only go through the FO's trim switch. What that means would require more study .. and better glasses. Maybe it has some significance. Makes you wonder why whatever it does wouldn't be the same for both the captain a...

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by airtechy
Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3188
Views: 594143

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang

Having been involved in many failure analysis's .. sometimes with very limited data to work with, I feel for the Boeing engineering team .. hardware and software .. that's trying to figure out what caused the 20 degree mismatch error that disrupted several systems from occurring in the future. I'm s...

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by airtechy
Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3188
Views: 594143

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang

Every modern aircraft of any size since the at least the 40's ...jets and private .. have had some form of motor driven trim probably at first to give the autopilot a method to control the pitch trim and maintain a constant altitude. And several instances and accidents mentioned in this thread have...

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by airtechy
Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3188
Views: 594143

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang

Something I noticed ... apparently with flaps out, the trim didn't runaway, it was only after retraction to flaps 0. Could this whole thing could possibly been avoided by leaving the flaps out and returning to base with a flight control problem? It would appear so, but the captain's displays would ...

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by airtechy
Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3188
Views: 594143

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang

If the report is correct that the pilots of the prior flight used the kill switches, then that is obviously what they did .. replaced a motor driving the trim wheel with a hand turning it for the duration of the flight. Not as sophisticated but works the same except you have to "hand fly"...

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by airtechy
Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3188
Views: 594143

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang

Every modern aircraft of any size since the at least the 40's ...jets and private .. have had some form of motor driven trim probably at first to give the autopilot a method to control the pitch trim and maintain a constant altitude. And several instances and accidents mentioned in this thread have ...

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by airtechy
Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3188
Views: 594143

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang

I don't know if the question from way upthread was every answered; is it possible for pilots to manually control the aircraft against full down trim? Short answer: yes, this is what the crew on the previous flight have done. Long answer: read the previous posts on this forum. That's not what Joe is...

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by airtechy
Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3188
Views: 594143

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang

Not sure how to post a pic but this may work. Trim wheels are black on each side of the center console. http://www.airliners.net/photo/KLM-Royal-Dutch-Airlines/Boeing-737-7K2/1978140?qsp=eJwtjcEKwkAMRH%2Bl5OxFChZ60x/Qgz8QsoMurTZkI7qU/rtx8faYecysJMvT8fFrVdBIBWxypx0pGz8KjStNqO/FUnC4Mmn2TrP4y9AN/RBqWcx...

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by airtechy
Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3188
Views: 594143

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang

I must say that this trim system with a lot of switches and a few relays plus what ever is in the motor itself would not seem to be out of place on a DC-7 or Connie. I guess if it works don't change it.

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by airtechy
Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3188
Views: 594143

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang

If you look at the trim relay diagram, you will see that the cutout switches kill the 28 volts from the circuit breaker which deactivates the 3 phase 120V 400 Hz relay to the trim motor circuit plus kills 28v to the pilots trim switches and other stuff. So you have killed the control voltage and th...

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by airtechy
Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3188
Views: 594143

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang

If you look at the trim relay diagram, you will see that the cutout switches kill the 28 volts from the circuit breaker which deactivates the 3 phase 120V 400 Hz relay to the trim motor circuit plus kills 28v to the pilots trim switches and other stuff. So you have killed the control voltage and the...

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by airtechy
Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:56 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3188
Views: 594143

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang

My experience with auto trim was in our Cessna 310. When activated it measured the difference in the yoke stabilizer cable forces and motor drove the trim to neutralize it. The altitude hold also summed in to hold the selected altitude. As I recall when you used the yoke trim switches, it disconnect...

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by airtechy
Sat Nov 24, 2018 1:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3188
Views: 594143

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang

I'm still trying to understand how any failure of the AOA vanes could affect the airspeed indicators .. as seems to have been stated. Unless another "algorithm" is involved, I thought this was purely a function of the pitot pressure and the static air sensor. Angle Of Attack Effect On Ind...

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by airtechy
Sat Nov 24, 2018 9:04 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3188
Views: 594143

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang

I'm still trying to understand how any failure of the AOA vanes could affect the airspeed indicators .. as seems to have been stated. Unless another "algorithm" is involved, I thought this was purely a function of the pitot pressure and the static air sensor. I can understand how the stick...

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by airtechy
Tue Nov 20, 2018 12:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: MCO pic -- 1960s (?)
Replies: 14
Views: 2263

Re: MCO pic -- 1960s (?)

I first flew into MCO from ATL on Delta in 1966.. May I think. Looks exactly like what I remember. Parking lot to the left of the pic.. gravel and free. I am surprised that Southern was not on the airline sign as I think they were flying there then. I believe that the joint arrangement allowed about...

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by airtechy
Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:42 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3188
Views: 594143

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

zeke wrote:
More the point how do you stop them if you see them moving ?


I would certainly hope that the motor driving the trim wheels could be over ridden by grabbing the wheels. Even if the motor could not be stopped, somewhere in the drive chain there should be a slip clutch to limit it's authority.

Jim

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by airtechy
Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:19 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3188
Views: 594143

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

I seem to remember a Lear Jet many years ago that had a runaway trim problem resulting in a crash .. and a mod to the trim system.

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by airtechy
Wed Oct 31, 2018 4:27 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3188
Views: 594143

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

Actually, I should have looked at the graphic more closely ... as I thought it was for the 737.It would be interesting to see a similar graphic for the 737 showing the interfaces. It would seem that the fewer interfaces to the aircraft systems the better. Just trying to understand what is left for t...

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by airtechy
Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:09 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangkal Pinang
Replies: 3188
Views: 594143

Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

The same with AF47 incident, I am sure some faulty Air Data Inertial Reference Unit (ADIRU) among the things that could have happened http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k154/shahjees/adiru.jpg Interesting. At some point I remembered reading, obviously wrong, that the standby instruments were self co...

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by airtechy
Sat Oct 20, 2018 5:09 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Thai Airways pilot on ZRH-BKK refuses to fly because his friends couldn't get First Class seats
Replies: 136
Views: 24737

Re: Thai Airways pilot on ZRH-BKK refuses to fly because his friends couldn't get First Class seats

Hard to have an opinion without seeing the actual contract language. Do the pilots get the highest class available? Does it depend on aircraft type ... flat beds? What if they had subbed a A380 ... would they get a suite? Obviously, if no sub had been made a business class seat would have been accep...

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by airtechy
Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:26 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A few Delta fleet questions.
Replies: 135
Views: 13278

Re: A few Delta fleet questions.

lat41 wrote:
I would be interested to know the typical routing used by the MD-90 back and forth to New Zealand for the overhaul. This engine version IAE V2500 is so peculiar that it's only overhauled in N Z?


Engines are not welded onto airframes. They can be removed and shipped. ;)

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by airtechy
Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why did DL/UA cut NRT-JFK-NRT?
Replies: 115
Views: 16795

Re: Why did DL/UA cut NRT-JFK-NRT?

I think the early 90's Delta flight route was PDX-SEL-TPE-BKK .. unless my memory is failing me. I took it several times...on MD11's.

Jim

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by airtechy
Wed Sep 19, 2018 9:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777-300ER Multiple Navigation Instrument Failure
Replies: 133
Views: 24427

Re: Boeing 777-300ER Multiple Navigation Instrument Failure

I still don't think it is clear which boxes and capabilities failed here. Sounds like a system bus carrying multiple data streams failed. I'm still amazed that the raw output of one of the ILS/GS/VOR/GPS boxes can't be displayed directly on a standby instrument and that they can't be channeled direc...

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by airtechy
Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777-300ER Multiple Navigation Instrument Failure
Replies: 133
Views: 24427

Re: Boeing 777-300ER Multiple Navigation Instrument Failure

And one more question for the professional pilots or experts. The ATC asks, "ILS is out of service on both sides of the airplane"? I didn't know there were two ILS systems and that they were on the opposite sides of the plane! Is that true? Two ILS receivers onboard the aircraft, not in o...

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by airtechy
Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:58 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777-300ER Multiple Navigation Instrument Failure
Replies: 133
Views: 24427

Re: Boeing 777-300ER Multiple Navigation Instrument Failure

Another question might be why alternates were picked that were so close together that they could be expected to have the same weather/ceilings as JFK. At least the fuel required to fly to the alternate after a missed approach would be/was very low.

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by airtechy
Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:25 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777-300ER Multiple Navigation Instrument Failure
Replies: 133
Views: 24427

Re: Boeing 777-300ER Multiple Navigation Instrument Failure

Not withstanding the fuel situation and the fact that the crew probably didn't have the time to root through manuals, is it not possible to route the raw output from one ILS receiver to one of the independent standby instruments....or does everything have to go through the FMS or other "boxes&q...

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by airtechy
Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777-300ER Multiple Navigation Instrument Failure
Replies: 133
Views: 24427

Re: Boeing 777-300ER Multiple Navigation Instrument Failure

Are there any airports that can still do GCA's (ground controlled approach)? If everything dies except for one Comm radio.....

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by airtechy
Sun Aug 26, 2018 12:51 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta F/A's & Fleet Workers Could Vote on Union Soon
Replies: 228
Views: 14908

Re: Delta F/A's & Fleet Workers Could Vote on Union Soon

Based on what I've seen from DL, DL employees, and their culture, I'll bet the Powerball jackpot they don' unionize. No way in hell. I saw the "Grill and Chill" event they had at the flight museum in ATL and those people--ALL workgroups--would practically spill blood for DL. They're happy...

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by airtechy
Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta F/A's & Fleet Workers Could Vote on Union Soon
Replies: 228
Views: 14908

Re: Delta F/A's & Fleet Workers Could Vote on Union Soon

I bought my first ticket on Delta in 1966 for a flight from Knoxville to Orlando.....on a DC-7 and a DC-9..and have since accumulated over 2MM with Delta. Except for three college interview trips..two on American Electras and one on a United Viscount...I have only flown domestic on Delta. Because of...

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by airtechy
Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 60 years ago today, Pan Am received its first 707
Replies: 107
Views: 11662

Re: 60 years ago today, Pan Am received its first 707

The only time I was possibly on a 707 was on a World Airways MAC flight from Travis AFB to Hickam to Clark AFB to BKK in Jan. 1971. It may have been a DC-8. The only think I do remember is so many people were smoking that they agreed to smoke in shifts...1/4 of the plane at a time! :yuck:

Jim

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by airtechy
Sun Jul 29, 2018 9:44 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Does anyone here own their own plane?
Replies: 19
Views: 3858

Re: Does anyone here own their own plane?

Owned a Cessna 310Q with a partner for 5 years. Between the two of us, we easily made 150hrs/year. Because they were rising in value at the time (may still be), we essentially flew it for only the gas it burned. Lucky timing! ;)

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by airtechy
Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:36 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A380 - Two VERY Different Views of the Future
Replies: 217
Views: 29731

Re: A380 - Two VERY Different Views of the Future

My only suggestion to Airbus....if they can the 380....would be to check with Boeing...:re the 757...before they ditch the tooling. ;)

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by airtechy
Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:49 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Alligator holds up taxiing airliner at MCO
Replies: 35
Views: 6469

Re: Alligator holds up taxiing airliner at MCO

More so then normally, when it's mating season gators show up in a lot of strange places. Not a good time to be walking in places that you don't have good visibility. :o

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by airtechy
Sat May 19, 2018 4:11 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UA RFQ now ongoing for 767 replacement?
Replies: 215
Views: 30408

Re: UA RFQ now ongoing for 767 replacement?

I'm still confused about United and a new order for passenger 767's being impractical. Boeing is obviously still making the freighter airframes. Vendors are still in place to upgrade the existing passenger versions....new seats, interiors, etc. What is the difference in supplying parts for an existi...

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by airtechy
Wed May 16, 2018 3:44 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A Sichuan Airlines’ Lhasa-bound flight from CKG made emergency landing at CTU after cockpit window broke
Replies: 61
Views: 11063

Re: A Sichuan Airlines’ Lhasa-bound flight from CKG made emergency landing at CTU after cockpit window broke

At least initially, wouldn't the air being expelled by the pressure in the cabin be somewhat equalized by the opposite direction air from the forward velocity of the plane? :scratchchin:

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by airtechy
Sun May 13, 2018 2:06 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Nolinor Aviation refits a 737-200 with modern avionics
Replies: 94
Views: 15054

Re: Nolinor Aviation refits a 737-200 with modern avionics

It would be interesting to know how much this conversion cost. I suspect it would be similar to the cost of avionics (flight displays, flight management, and RF stuff, for a corporate jet. It would probably be cheaper labor wise to replace all the boxes at once with a suite from one manufacturer. If...

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by airtechy
Wed May 09, 2018 10:18 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Why are some poster's only trolls? Why do people love and respond to trolls?
Replies: 57
Views: 2400

Re: Why are some poster's only trolls? Why do people love and respond to trolls?

When ninety nine percent of a posters posts are in non-av that tells you a lot about the 'trolling' aspect.

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