CX747 wrote:Several articles today seem to show Airbus folks not knowing what they are doing. Like showing up at the press conference for the EK today thinking it was for the A380 and slinking away when the 787 was announced.
Just out, Airbus will be buying some of the older A380's from EK as part of the deal for replacements. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-emirates-airshow-a380-buyback/airbus-to-buy-back-some-a380s-in-new-emirates-deal-sources-idUSKBN1DC05B?il=0 This deal exemplifies the problem of having one large ...
Jump to postNews flash!!!! There will soon be twice as many Dreamliners in service than A380 and A350's combined. And even more kites around the globe. Please go troll somewhere else. No thanks, this is much more fun. to even compare the A380 with the 747 which was launched almost 50 years ago is a joke. The f...
Jump to postNews flash!!!! There will soon be twice as many Dreamliners in service than A380 and A350's combined.
Jump to postIt seems to me the term "commercial aviation" infers the aircraft involved will be commercially viable. A good part of ANET is devoted to discussions about the business side of aviation. The A380 is a commercial failure, hence the debate. The 748i isn't "commercially viable" but...
Jump to postIt seems to me the term "commercial aviation" infers the aircraft involved will be commercially viable. A good part of ANET is devoted to discussions about the business side of aviation. The A380 is a commercial failure, hence the debate. It's only a "commercial failure" and &qu...
Jump to postqf002 wrote:bob75013 wrote:The only way Boeing can crush Airbus's profits is by first crushing their own by slashing prices. The only winners are the airlines.
It's total arrogance to say airbus won't build c series for a while when there are plenty of non us sales prospect and airbus actually will help selling the aircraft now.[/quote] Boeing's legal team will be fighting to apply the tariffs to any parts coming to the US for the C Series.The attempt to d...
Jump to postThat could be easily argued, in case the % of US parts is as high as commented, as the natural FAL location should be the US instead of the previous based in Canada. Not moving the factory to avoid taxes, but to save transport and exporting costs of the parts... Read the article - the more work you...
Jump to postLet's think about it from another angle. Do you think that a sovereign nation such as the USA in the face of an obvious tariff evasion ploy will simply throw up its hands and say "you've got us" when it comes to accepting imported goods? "then the moment the Alabama site starts opera...
Jump to postWhile Boeing is paying record dividends to its stockholders Airbus wants to renegotiate it's payments on previous launch aid. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/10/21/airbus-seeks-cut-repayments-government-controversial-launch/ What has a record dividends by Boeing got to do with this? And wh...
Jump to post[quote="Brixerl"]All the development programs at Airbus are in the final stages. Lots of technical resources are freed up. Financial status seems healthy. Whats the next big step forward? Silence at Airbus. Financially healthy? Not so sure about that. Airbus is currently try to renegotiate...
Jump to postWhile Boeing is paying record dividends to its stockholders Airbus wants to renegotiate it's payments on previous launch aid.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/201 ... al-launch/
So they are going to insist on offering yesterday's airplane tomorrow. Why? Because it appears that customers are insisting to buy scores of them? Scores? Really? Here is another article talking about a 50 to 100 frame order. This would keep the 767 line alive for years to come when you add in orde...
Jump to postStatement from Boeing legal just claimed the tariffs have to be satisfied whether the jet are assembled in the US or not.
Jump to postMoet folks here are so busy bashing Boeing they forget one thing. - Bombardier's dumping hurts fair competition between airlines. The Canadian governments essentially helped Delta buy jets at a ridiculously low cost thereby giving Delta an unfair cost advantage that will be used against their compet...
Jump to postSo, please enlighten me on how an aircraft that is BELOW the size of anything Boeing now offers, is hurting Boeing in any way? Boeing has sold over 10,000 737's in its production run. Bombardier has sold less than 400 CSeries. Obviously it was easier to go after BBD rather than Airbus. Don't tell m...
Jump to postIs A380 fleet overtaking 747 a hollow victory? See: https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/opinion-is-a380-fleet-overtaking-747-a-hollow-victo-442160/ Man, give me a break - enough lipstick on this pig.... The A380 has had a negative order book for the last (4) years. The fact there may be more...
Jump to postWith most of the major airlines of the world now flying the Airbus A380 who were previously long standing Boeing 747 operators I'm not really surprised but up until now I have never thought of it but sure the time has come for the 380 to surpass the passenger versions of the venerable Boeing 747, i...
Jump to postBBD should just assemble the CS sold in the USA in Wichita, problem solved. I don't think the Canadian government invested billions to bail out Bombardier to see the jets manufactured in the US See, that's the thing; Investissement Québec gets 50 million class B shares exercisable at C$ 2.21 (Closi...
Jump to postmjoelnir wrote:BBD should just assemble the CS sold in the USA in Wichita, problem solved.
Can someone answer this question for me. Why did Bombardier go so low on the pricing to Delta. Seems to me Boeing had to act if not for themselves to help protect Southwest.
Jump to postAll those mega orders, airlines ordering more frames than their reasonable needs? After reading the article and what was going on the Amedeo deal falls in place.
Jump to postMaybe John Leahy had good reason to retire........ Leahy is not even part of the story, the investigation is about middlemen who seem to be involved in suspicious transactions: [quote]The joint UK-French inquiry was launched after Airbus informed authorities about discrepancies in disclosures about...
Jump to postAmazing numbers !!! Boeing 787 deliveries almost match the total deliveries of all (3) Airbus wide body programs.
Jump to postMaybe John Leahy had good reason to retire........
Jump to postI think that having both the RAF and RCAF not buy any Boeing defense products ever again is enough of a penalty for Boeing. The RCAF super hornet cancellation is already $5.6 billion. It could end up being far higher than that in the next decade. I say this deal still goes thru after all the dust se...
Jump to postEven the British know Bomardier is guilty here. If you really think all Canadians should suffer the results of a major trade war with the US over this?
Jump to postI think the odds favor the 747 outliving the A380. The 748F has dozens of potential clients and Boeing can still make money at low production rates. Emirates are not interested in ordering any more unless they see a reasonable interest from other buyers. I don't see anything changing in the demand t...
Jump to postAirbus can afford to play this game,
And the game is what? Leave planes in your backlog instead of building them?
I guess I miss your point.......
102 A380's in the backlog according to Airbus - almost 50% of these will never be delivered. The Amedeo circus was pure PR. An attempt to put lipstick on a pig (or whale in this case). With the A380 Airbus has redefined the term " firm order" and not in a good way. Makes me wonder what oth...
Jump to postEither way, the orders are still on the books because it still suits both parties to the contract for them to remain on the books. For Airbus, the A380 order book looks a bit healthier than it actually is (and there are similar orders like Amedeo's and the remaining frames for QF). VS may have suffi...
Jump to postMost of which have been delivered. Two UPS frames are complete and two are in assembly. That leaves 10 frames for UPS left and then that's it. Unless more orders are placed. UPS's third frame should be rolling out soon too.[/quote] There 17 frames left in the 747 delivery backlog, and UPS has option...
Jump to postWow, where are you getting those 747 sales figures from ?The big deal with UPS for freighters has kept the production line open but they have finished making the passenger model. Geoff[/quote] Feb -14 CargoLux 1 Oct - 14 Airbridge Cargo 1 Feb - 15 SilkWays 3 June - 15 Atlas Air 1 Nov - 15 Airbridge ...
Jump to postI am starting to believe the 747 just may out live the A380, as a previous poster posited. Other than Emirates the A380 has only booked one sale in the last (5) years to ANA for three frames. (I do not consider Amedeo a sale because it is not). In the same time frame the 747 has garnered 31 sales fr...
Jump to post"A380 vs 747-8? The 747-8 is dying an undignified death, the A380 may not be far behind. There is little market for these planes. Quite possible both will be better off without them in the near future". More is not always better.. Every A380 built is negative cash floe to Airbus. Boeing ha...
Jump to postStupid me. I thought this was airliners.net? Moderators why is this thread being allowed here?????????
Jump to postWhen you're instructed to get off the plane by airline staff, you need to comply. Failure to do so results in the police being called and removing you. Failure to comply with the police and you will be forcibly removed. This man failed to comply with instructions from airline employees and the poli...
Jump to postI doubt cutting that break even by more than 50% would be profitable. That may be your doubt, but IMO you are wrong. The A380 is a poor use of corporate resources, manpower, factory space etc. parts and service does not begin to make a difference. Better to sell more planes that sre profitable and ...
Jump to postI doubt cutting that break even by more than 50% would be profitable. That may be your doubt, but IMO you are wrong. The A380 is a poor use of corporate resources, manpower, factory space etc. parts and service does not begin to make a difference. Better to sell more planes that sre profitable and ...
Jump to postThe question I think was is the A380 profitable for Airbus. No, as a program the A380 will never reach a profit, to much cost and to little return, even if they would sell 300 more. But the development and the early production cost overruns are sunk, accounted for and written off. So should not imp...
Jump to postBottom line is that it is profitable according to Airbus. The program though as a whole, like 787, will never be profitable but simple accounting means we can write-off those costs.[/quote] I have not seen any statement from Airbus that indicates it can make a profit at the new low production rates,...
Jump to postDefinitely DXB & JFK need the A380, the 747 is sadly leaving the fleet and the A380 is the perfect replacement. Good luck BA, I think Airbus will be more happy than anyone if this rumour turned to be fact. 4 more planes on this order books does nothing good for Airbus. Unless Airbus can get eno...
Jump to post[*]"a number of airlines, including Emirates" are interested in the Neo A number of airlines were interested in the A380 three and a half years ago when Amedeo ordered 20. How did that work out? Anyone who believes a number of airlines order the A380 NEO are asking answers not questions. K...
Jump to postthere are currently only two commercial planes for sale that have 4 engines. The A380 which has sold only 13 planes in the past 4 years which includes -2 net orders in the past two years and the Boeing 747-800 which I think has sold even less in the same time frame. I think at this point it comes d...
Jump to postSo EK is nobody? If you sold A380s and EK said they wanted 50 more, would you call them a nobody? Do you even grasp how much revenue that is and will be for Airbus? Who cares if EK is the primary purchaser - as long as they're purchasing and paying, I can assure you Airbus won't. Airbus currently ca...
Jump to post"But has it? Can you show how many new p2p routes has the 787 opened? I think Boeing was wrong. The 787 is mostly plying exactly the same routes as planes before it." The Dreamliner is responsible for 130 new p2p routes. I would argue it has done more to alleviate congestion at hubs than t...
Jump to postI am shocked these 20 frames are still counted in the backlog - by any reasonable definition it is not an order.
Jump to postThis guy has been singing the same song for 4 years now and he hasn't placed a single frame. Who cares what he thinks ?
Jump to postPerhaps IR can scoop up used ones for a trial period before committing to a firm order. But where to deploy them?[/quote]
So you think Iran should buy planes it doesn't need and then look for a place to use them? Why - to keep Aliners happy??