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by MEA-707
Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DC-8 Retirement and Fleet Tracking Thread - 2021
Replies: 33
Views: 4733

Re: DC-8 Retirement and Fleet Tracking Thread - 2021

Afaik, I think that N805SJ is painted in the normal colors and has engines, so, not holding my breath, it could realistically have a chance of coming back. https://cdn.planespotters.net/30289/n805sj-skybus-jet-cargo-douglas-dc-8-73f_PlanespottersNet_1164303_7b85a04753_o.jpg And I'm kinda surprised ...

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by MEA-707
Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DC-8 Retirement and Fleet Tracking Thread - 2021
Replies: 33
Views: 4733

Re: DC-8 Retirement and Fleet Tracking Thread - 2021

Your list is quite good. I only have doubts about 9Q-CJL, I don't think it has been flying since 2017, plus IF it were flying it should have a new 9S- Congolese registration by now. So if that's a confirmed wfu it makes only 6 flying.

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by MEA-707
Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Leeham News: An exclusive Boeing operator is in talks for A220 and A321neo
Replies: 173
Views: 39714

Re: Leeham News: An exclusive Boeing operator is in talks for A220 and A321neo

Of course if Transavia buys A321xlr's they can open up a lot of things like Natal, St Maarten, Tanzania, Namibia, Seychelles, Kenya, Nepal, Sri Lanka and other things with tourism and VFR appeal, with the disappearance of Martinair, KLM doesn't have a long range LCC and while trying to open up more ...

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by MEA-707
Sun Nov 21, 2021 10:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Leeham News: An exclusive Boeing operator is in talks for A220 and A321neo
Replies: 173
Views: 39714

Re: Leeham News: An exclusive Boeing operator is in talks for A220 and A321neo

Indeed everything is mentioned already. Unless they look at the Eurovision song contest and count Israel as European, El Al would be a spectacular Boeing airline for Airbus to win.

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by MEA-707
Mon Nov 15, 2021 4:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Dubai Air Show 2021 - Airbus Orders and General Discussion Thread
Replies: 163
Views: 50389

Re: Dubai Air Show 2021 - Airbus Orders and General Discussion Thread

And I'll add my speculation about the end customer for those A330neo's and A350F: Starlux. They may very well want to enter the lucrative cargo market too, especially to undermine EVA Air's core business... Interesting, but it's not the most interesting potential "lux" customer out there ...

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by MEA-707
Sun Nov 14, 2021 3:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Last scheduled passenger transatlantic crossing in a prop aircraft?
Replies: 56
Views: 10030

Re: Last scheduled passenger transatlantic crossing in a prop aircraft?

a BOAC Comet 4 on 4 october 1958 London-New York, followed by a Pan Am 707 New York to Paris on 26 october 1958. Indeed in about 4 years the long routes were mostly replaced by jets, which were quicker and also more efficient. I think holiday/charter airlines like Martinair and Spantax still occasio...

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by MEA-707
Thu Nov 11, 2021 10:37 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021
Replies: 259
Views: 80401

Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Atlas has N860GT to N865GT reserved for their 747s. That's 6 frames but only 4 on order, officially. Pure speculation : the two odd 747-8F's in the Qatar Cargo fleet of 26 777F's : A7-BGA and A7-BGB It's an oddball fleet but I guess Qatar likes the drooping nose for outside loads, they had a big 77...

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by MEA-707
Thu Nov 11, 2021 10:26 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A320neo at US carriers, why is it unpopular?
Replies: 41
Views: 7668

Re: A320neo at US carriers, why is it unpopular?

It can also be coincidence that the US big three, which all have 319/320s, having chosen Boeings going forward as their preferred 150-199 seater, while preferring Airbus' A321 to supply the 200-240 seaters (for 757 replacement and incremental growth). Probably the 737MAX (-900ER in case of Delta) is...

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by MEA-707
Mon Nov 08, 2021 4:31 pm
Forum: Trip Reports
Topic: [VideoOnly] Rara Avis: Flying the Time Machine, LADE's Fokker F28
Replies: 10
Views: 1645

Re: [VideoOnly] Rara Avis: Flying the Time Machine, LADE's Fokker F28

Nice ! Great catch to get both flying F-28s in one return trip. Can anyone buy tickets? Online or did you go to their downtown office? These Dutchies might be the oldest passenger jets now flying (depending if 5Y-AXF a DC-9 in Kenya is still operating).

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by MEA-707
Fri Nov 05, 2021 10:07 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021
Replies: 279
Views: 85434

Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Is there more news on MSN 55064, an A221. It was supposed to become an ACJ (VIP) version, but now I read in a source that it will be C-FOUY for Air Canada. Will they operate it as VIP standalone or will they take some shorter A221s as well?

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by MEA-707
Tue Nov 02, 2021 10:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A320ceo Family Production/Delivery Thread - 2021
Replies: 100
Views: 25598

Re: Airbus A320ceo Family Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Can we expect Airbus to terminate A32xCEO production by the end of this year? Those 4 A321CEO for Delta will most likely be delivered by then. The A330CEO is only delivering for MRTT conversion an the Beluga XL, that will end in about two years. Airbus has half a dozen A330-300 white tales /NTU fra...

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by MEA-707
Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:17 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Norwegian News and Discussion Thread - 2021
Replies: 144
Views: 31361

Re: Norwegian News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Well, they applied to a Swedish court to put Norwegian Air Sweden AB into bankruptcy as it still have a lot of debt in it. So they just kill the old ones and start new airlines without debt at the cost of the tax payers. Is it the taxpayer who pays? Or is it the creditors and vendors to whom Norweg...

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by MEA-707
Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AF-KLM Group Narrowbody tender
Replies: 153
Views: 27486

Re: AF-KLM Group Narrowbody tender

It might not even surprise me if they let a well informed person leak a pending Boeing order on Twitter hoping that Airbus will come with a last minute price drop which they can't refuse.

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by MEA-707
Tue Oct 26, 2021 2:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Production/Delivery Thread - 2021
Replies: 1003
Views: 274782

Re: Boeing 737MAX Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

According to my own listings, driven in a good part by this thread so big thanks to all who post, I have the following stored on Boeing sites 46 Boeing Field 16 Renton 2 Paine Field 215 Moses Lake 27 Victorville That doesn't include some that are still in the production / finishing process, mainly ...

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by MEA-707
Fri Oct 22, 2021 12:13 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Production/Delivery Thread - 2021
Replies: 1003
Views: 274782

Re: Boeing 737MAX Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

They have about 350 aircraft still parked left and right which have been built at least a month or two ago, this number is going down very very slowly, 2 to 4 per month at the most. Most of the deliveries are new builts, recognized by the line numbers above 7910, mostly around 8125 at this moment. P...

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by MEA-707
Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:16 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 787 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021
Replies: 163
Views: 64346

Re: Boeing 787 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

I read that JA936A (66523/1093) was delivered on 12 october. Does that mean that the FAA is happy and full delivery also of the backlog will now be resumed?

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by MEA-707
Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:23 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Which airline gonna be the first with 1,000 aircraft in its fleet?
Replies: 15
Views: 1048

Re: Which airline gonna be the first with 1,000 aircraft in its fleet?

probably somewhere in PRC If CAAC was still there, they would be bigger than Aeroflot and any US big 4 together. Unfortunately (?) there are many different airlines, and there seems to come more. That said, China Southern and China Eastern especially are in the top 10 airline but smaller than the U...

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by MEA-707
Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Return to Service Thread 2021
Replies: 95
Views: 54160

Re: How Many MAX Flights Since RTS?

Out of a statistical curiosity I'm wondering how many MAX revenue flights have been completed (approximately) since RTS. I'd like to know if the number of flights before the MCAS issue originally showed up have been exceeded by flights since RTS. Interesting question. I know insiders know the true ...

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by MEA-707
Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:51 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Report: Vietnam IPP Air Cargo plans to order 10 777F
Replies: 21
Views: 5412

Re: Report: Vietnam IPP Air Cargo plans to order 10 777F

I think it must be the 10 UFO 777F's, otherwise it's too much a coincidence (similar number etc).

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by MEA-707
Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Oman Air intends to apply for Oneworld membership
Replies: 15
Views: 4063

Re: Oman Air intends to apply for Oneworld membership

I flew them once in business class and they were pretty good, but less streamlined as the big guys like QR and EK. For me they are welcome, more opportunities. I hope EY will join an alliance too, Star has little in the mid east.

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by MEA-707
Sun Sep 26, 2021 5:40 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Was the McDonnell Douglas MD-90 a good airplane?
Replies: 29
Views: 3458

Re: Was the McDonnell Douglas MD-90 a good airplane?

Another interesting thing about the plane ... McDonnell Douglas had planned an MD-90-40 derivative that was 52.3 meters long (almost 8 meters longer than the A321, and nearly 10 meters longer than the 737 MAX 10). It would've held 170-180 passengers in three-class seating, or 217 passengers in sing...

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by MEA-707
Sun Sep 26, 2021 5:13 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Why didn’t El Al like the 737-200?
Replies: 15
Views: 1133

Re: Why didn’t El Al like the 737-200?

Interesting question. they also never had 727 (the only Boeing they didn't buy)... I think because their typical routes were around 3-5 hours long, TLV to AMS, LHR, ORY, FRA and such, and the 732 was more ideal for 1-2 hour flights. I saw their 732 in AMS sometimes and thought it was a small and cra...

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by MEA-707
Sun Sep 26, 2021 4:49 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Has anyone here flown on a Boeing 720?
Replies: 25
Views: 2692

Re: Has anyone here flown on a Boeing 720?

I remember everything of my only 720 flight. On my 24th, my first long trip had to include Lebanon, as I figured out MEA would stop fly the 707 soon and I wanted to fly on one. The 720 was reported withdrawn the year before. I figured out IST-BEY return was the safest and most affordable way to get ...

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by MEA-707
Sun Sep 26, 2021 12:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Was Danair a proper airline?
Replies: 8
Views: 3784

Re: Was Danair a proper airline?

It's an interesting discussion how to define an airline. I'd say an own fleet, branding and identity would be necessairy. But in this case, on the morning flight you'd get on a SAS aircraft with SAS branded cookies and coffee and on the evening flight a Maersk one so I'd say it's not a real airline....

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by MEA-707
Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021
Replies: 360
Views: 109075

Re: Boeing 777 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

I think we might have an answer now: CMA CGM Air Cargo plans own AOC with 777Fs at launch https://cargofacts.com/allposts/business/strategy/cma-cgm-air-cargo-plans-own-aoc-with-777fs-at-launch/ (behind paywall) https://www.scramble.nl/civil-news/cma-cgm-to-expand-air-cargo-business?fbclid=IwAR07-TJ...

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by MEA-707
Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Future of the A319NEO in Airbus portfolio
Replies: 154
Views: 20758

Re: Future of the A319NEO in Airbus portfolio

Also it's good to offer a family of aircraft, even if the smallest or the largest don't sell well. Let's say the A319neo is cancelled now, perhaps the few airlines who want them, like Spirit or China Southern, could switch all future narrowody orders to Boeing instead because they can fullfill their...

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by MEA-707
Fri Sep 10, 2021 1:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021
Replies: 259
Views: 80401

Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Sooner787 wrote:
So if my math is correct, we have 7 more 747's to go; 3 UPS and 4 Atlas?

Correct; most likely MSN 1568-1570 for UPS and 1571-1574 for Atlas, although they might mix them up a bit, I don't have this run order confirmed.

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by MEA-707
Fri Sep 10, 2021 11:59 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cape Air (9K) accident in PVC no fatalities
Replies: 41
Views: 10882

Re: Cape Air (9K) accident in PVC no fatalities

This sounds like a runway excursion, not a "crash." Thankfully everyone is ok. according to flightradar it is likely Cessna 402 N88833 from Boston, flight 9K-2072. Glad no fatalities and that it's not the new Tecnam P2012. I'd say it is a pity that it was a loss of a beautiful Twin Cessna...

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by MEA-707
Fri Sep 10, 2021 11:25 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A320ceo Family Production/Delivery Thread - 2021
Replies: 100
Views: 25598

Re: Airbus A320ceo Family Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Indeed one more 319ceo to be completed and delivered to Tibet Airways: msn 10361. msn 10361 is not the last 319 ceo, the last 319 is not named yet (planespotters.net) it will likely be Tibet Airways, but it could be a joker Himalaya Airlines since Tibet Airways seems to have some shares in that set...

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by MEA-707
Thu Sep 09, 2021 9:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cape Air (9K) accident in PVC no fatalities
Replies: 41
Views: 10882

Re: Cape Air (9K) accident in PVC no fatalities

according to flightradar it is likely Cessna 402 N88833 from Boston, flight 9K-2072. Glad no fatalities and that it's not the new Tecnam P2012.

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by MEA-707
Wed Sep 08, 2021 2:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Porter relaunch September 8, 2021
Replies: 30
Views: 6498

Re: Porter relaunch today

Is Porter a potential launch partner for the new Embraer E3 Turboprop ? Never thought of this but it seems they like Embraer, so the E3 can be a replacement when their Q400s get old. I guess they have another 10-15 years in them so they will first have to worry to have the Jet implemented before th...

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by MEA-707
Mon Sep 06, 2021 1:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: End of A330 CEO production - When?
Replies: 12
Views: 3852

Re: End of A330 CEO production - When?

Basically production of the A330 is already closed. Only the MRTT version is still being built and can still be ordered. Some CASC aircraft have already been built, mostly the Hong Kong Airlines aircraft which have not been delivered: MSN 1863, 1865, 1874, 1902, 1907, 1917 and the rest is cancelled ...

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by MEA-707
Thu Sep 02, 2021 4:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Fokker F100 Cargo Conversion
Replies: 13
Views: 2601

Re: Fokker F100 Cargo Conversion

If you see how few MD-80s got converted with the 6 abreast types like 727, 737, 757 and now A321 more popular it might be that a wider fuselage is more attractive. An other reason can be that too few frames were available at that time (2010) to make conversion including design/certification costs vi...

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by MEA-707
Wed Sep 01, 2021 4:38 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Pope Francis to resign ? ?
Replies: 30
Views: 2694

Re: Pope Francis to resign ? ?

Anyway, more seriously; of course they deny it until the day he resigns, otherwise he would be a lame duck. It seems already that Francis is less active and outspoken in the last year or two, maybe he is becoming tired or ailing. And after Benedictus 8 years (2005-2013) and him now at 8 years too he...

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by MEA-707
Wed Sep 01, 2021 3:59 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Pope Francis to resign ? ?
Replies: 30
Views: 2694

Re: Pope Francis to resign ? ?

In theory, Ratzinger can return as Pope after Francis resigns. Wouldn't that be interesting to have a Pope run two non consecutive terms?

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by MEA-707
Tue Aug 31, 2021 1:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Update: Jet2 orders 36 Airbus A321neo
Replies: 96
Views: 24921

Re: Jet2 orders 36 Airbus A321neo

232 seats is quite an increase in capacity compared to the 737s. It will be interesting to see what timescale this covers Yes, but it looks this is a replacement of their older 738s only. They'll keep the younger 738s for a little while longer it seems. Perhaps a follow up order will materialize wh...

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by MEA-707
Tue Aug 24, 2021 1:54 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Boeing P-8 Poseidon News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2021
Replies: 149
Views: 31315

Re: Boeing P-8 Poseidon News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2021

I noticed the LN's of the newest P-8s are high and still a lot of gaps with each newer report. The highest I know, LN 9026 - 66114 for the Norwegian Air Force is already in production. Meanwhile civil production has reached LN 8118 with many lower numbers not even finished yet (about half of LN 7905...

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by MEA-707
Thu Aug 19, 2021 9:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021
Replies: 459
Views: 185726

Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

https://www.flightglobal.com/airlines/iag-retaining-former-aer-lingus-a350-order-to-gain-flexibility/144861.article The 5 A350s are now being held centrally at IAG and will be placed at an airline in the group later in the future. My two cents: I believe BA will get them and I think it will be the ...

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by MEA-707
Wed Aug 18, 2021 5:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Impact of Lebanon currency crisis on MEA operations
Replies: 33
Views: 6577

Re: Impact of Lebanon currency crisis on MEA operations

This would be a great time for MEA to focus on transit traffic. Accept payment in stable foreign currency while most of your local costs are in the freefalling Lebanese pound. They could be the first full service LCC. I'd love MEA to become a transit airline, a bit like a small THY, EK or Qatar Air...

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by MEA-707
Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: China Southern's MD-11s
Replies: 5
Views: 2682

Re: China Southern's MD-11s

Both Boeing and former McDonnell Douglas sometimes provisionally allocated construction numbers even while they were only talking to airlines about ordering them. The MSN series for the MD-11s had numbers allocated for Nigeria Airways, AOM, JAT, AeroLloyd, ZAS Airline of Egypt, Air Europe, VIASA, Ai...

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by MEA-707
Mon Aug 09, 2021 4:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Production/Delivery Thread - 2021
Replies: 1003
Views: 274782

Re: Boeing 737MAX Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

it seems they did a reset at LN 8101 and build these in firing order, 8102, 8103 etc for airlines which can take them soon. But that leaves a whole bulk of aircraft, around 360 completed/undelivered ones in the region 7424-7900 and around 130 in the region 7905-8100 not even completed yet. These alm...

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by MEA-707
Tue Aug 03, 2021 2:51 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: What airliner do you wish you could have flown on but never got the chance?
Replies: 74
Views: 6092

Re: What airliner do you wish you could have flown on but never got the chance?

Some people here are dramaqueens... they can easily book an A380, 767 or A340-600 without even leaving their continent. I miss most: Caravelle, Fairchild 27/FH-227 (had some Fokker F-27s), Nord 262, G-159, Concorde, Tu 104/114/124/144, Comet, VC-10, Trident, Convair 880/990, Convair 240/340/440 (pis...

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by MEA-707
Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing Reports Profit in Q2
Replies: 17
Views: 1908

Re: Boeing Reports Profit in Q2

Must be some creative accounting going on that they can present a profit, with no 787 deliveries and low numbers for the rest, problems with the testing/certification of the 787 and 777 etc they can't make actual money at this time; lots of costs and little money paid by customers.

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by MEA-707
Mon Jul 26, 2021 2:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Al Baker’s (Qatar's CEO) wants to grow Oneworld Alliance
Replies: 65
Views: 11635

Re: Al Baker’s (Qatar's CEO) wants to grow Oneworld Alliance

America's Then a few things they should look at: WestJet (probably heading towards Skyteam). If they can't get them, they might look at Porter or Flair to dip a toe in Canada again. JetBlue, they work with AA so they might be a done deal? Maybe they should try to get either COPA or Avianca, with Lat...

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by MEA-707
Mon Jul 26, 2021 10:13 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Mongolian Airways Fokker 50 Ferry Flight through The Bahamas
Replies: 6
Views: 7351

Re: Mongolian Airways Fokker 50 Ferry Flight through The Bahamas

according to Skyliner the planned route is LIM-PTY-NAS-YHZ-YYR-KEF-TOS-HEL-GUW-PLX-ULN , with GUW = Atyrau and PLX = Semey, Kazakhstan. That said, our Skyliner friends sometimes have the tendency to write down planned things as final facts. Indeed Hunnu and Mongolian AirLINES were long term Fokker 5...

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by MEA-707
Sat Jul 24, 2021 10:43 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A220 Sales Campaign Thread - 2021
Replies: 499
Views: 82225

Re: Airbus A220 Sales Campaign Thread - 2021

Azimuth has ordered 6 A220-300s directly at the MAKS airshow. Kind of surprising to me, it seems that the local carriers in Russia are lately more or less forced to fly the SSJ and later the MC-21. Azimuth has the SSJ already. But probably they could convince the autorities they need the A220, or th...

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by MEA-707
Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:47 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Boeing KC-46 News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2021
Replies: 108
Views: 23994

Re: Boeing KC-46 News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2021

I just saw on planespotters.net that LN 1223, 19-46061, is not built. It's very rare for both Boeing and the USAF to skip a frame and number. Does anyone know why, or know it's a mistake? Other question, are all the early frames like 1065, 1066, 1067, 1069, 1091, 1092 still earmarked for delivery to...

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by MEA-707
Tue Jul 06, 2021 4:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: MHI mulling restarting CRJ production
Replies: 79
Views: 11182

Re: MHI mulling restarting CRJ production

I think they should look at the 900 instead. It still sold reasonably and has good ASM costs. The 700 didn't sell at all for the last 8 years even while still available. Lufthansa had theirs for sale, less than 10 years old, well overhauled and most ended up scrapped because almost noone wanted them.

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by MEA-707
Mon Jul 05, 2021 9:21 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: SLM new 777 and ETOPS
Replies: 101
Views: 25729

Re: SLM new 777 and ETOPS

The question is, who is leasing out their aircraft and crew to a company so deep in debt, only to be in the back of the line of creditors if SLM does fold? No doubt World Atlantic, Air Belgium and others negotiated to make sure they get paid, probably SLM has to put a deposit on a blocked bank acco...

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by MEA-707
Mon Jul 05, 2021 9:21 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: SLM new 777 and ETOPS
Replies: 101
Views: 25729

Re: SLM new 777 and ETOPS

The question is, who is leasing out their aircraft and crew to a company so deep in debt, only to be in the back of the line of creditors if SLM does fold? No doubt World Atlantic, Air Belgium and others negotiated to ake sure they get paid, probably SLM has to put a deposit on a blocked bank accou...

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