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by alasizon
Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA add new seasonal routes from PHX
Replies: 42
Views: 5720

Re: AA add new seasonal routes from PHX

Can you point out who just added PHX-CID, PHX-ICT, PHX-MSY, PHX-RDU, or PHX-COS? WN started PHX-ICT service on April 12, 2016. https://www.flywichita.com/southwests-new-nonstops-begin-tuesday/ Which was three years ago. The initial comment was that all of AA's adds were reactions to other recently ...

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by alasizon
Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA add new seasonal routes from PHX
Replies: 42
Views: 5720

Re: AA add new seasonal routes from PHX

Any word on aircraft for these routes? I assume PHX-FAR will either be a CRJ9 from Mesa or a CRJ7 from SkyWest. The articles that have come out in the media show a 319 for FAR, COS & CVG while a 321 for FLL but there has been no official press release from AA. There is no slack in the CR7/9 fle...

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by alasizon
Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 526
Views: 65167

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

About time.. this was one of the holes in their route map out of PHX...I think this will be more popular than F9's current schedule. I definitely expect 2-3 daily on CR7/CR9s on this route if the flights go daily. Someone had posted earlier that there is no slack in PHX CRJs so it would interesting...

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by alasizon
Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA add new seasonal routes from PHX
Replies: 42
Views: 5720

Re: AA add new seasonal routes from PHX

Let’s be honest, the only time AA adds domestic markets from Phoenix recently is when a competitor adds it first. Can you point out who just added PHX-CID, PHX-ICT, PHX-MSY, PHX-RDU, or PHX-COS? No PHX-YYZ or PHX-YYC? PHX-Canada right now is extremely competitive between WS & AC plus competitio...

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by alasizon
Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Will WN ever order the 737 MAX 9 or MAX 10?
Replies: 35
Views: 5558

Re: Will WN ever order the 737 MAX 9 or MAX 10?

One issue for WN & the MAX 9/10 is that many of their gates are built based on a specific length of aircraft and as I recall there were issues at some airports with expanding to the 800. For the legacy carriers, most of their gates were setup to accommodate the 757 or 321 so it isn't as big of ...

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by alasizon
Wed Jul 24, 2019 5:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Will WN ever order the 737 MAX 9 or MAX 10?
Replies: 35
Views: 5558

Re: Will WN ever order the 737 MAX 9 or MAX 10?

One issue for WN & the MAX 9/10 is that many of their gates are built based on a specific length of aircraft and as I recall there were issues at some airports with expanding to the 800. For the legacy carriers, most of their gates were setup to accommodate the 757 or 321 so it isn't as big of a...

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by alasizon
Wed Jul 24, 2019 4:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines flight attendant bitten by emotional support dog
Replies: 88
Views: 10780

Re: American Airlines flight attendant bitten by emotional support dog

This whole "emotional support animal" thing is utter nonsense. They shouldn't be allowed in the cabin at all. Unfortunately the ACAA allows it. ADA doesn't specify but because the ACAA does, airports and airlines are stuck with them. Crew members at the WO's do not have "AA" ID'...

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by alasizon
Wed Jul 24, 2019 4:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA add new seasonal routes from PHX
Replies: 42
Views: 5720

Re: AA add new seasonal routes from PHX

Good adds. At this point I'd say BNA is the only real glaring hole left in AA's domestic network from PHX. For me TUL, LIT & BNA are equal when it comes to obvious holes. BNA is a tough one to justify as you can't use the same aircraft for an out-and-back and have the flight depart and arrive i...

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by alasizon
Wed Jul 24, 2019 3:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 526
Views: 65167

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Schedules were posted on AZ Central..I got confused regarding the turnaround time, I was mentally seeing Phoenix-Fargo on the top line..Happens when one is getting older.. :shakehead: The schedules don't quite make sense though so something is off. FAR-PHX and COS-PHX are not four hour legs (FAR-PH...

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by alasizon
Wed Jul 24, 2019 2:00 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines flight attendant bitten by emotional support dog
Replies: 88
Views: 10780

Re: American Airlines flight attendant bitten by emotional support dog

The emotional support animal restrictions have already been tightened quite a bit (including the requirement to produce a doctors note as opposed to credible verbal assurance). That means that this passenger already had documentation from a medical professional stating that he/she needed this anima...

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by alasizon
Wed Jul 24, 2019 1:09 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines flight attendant bitten by emotional support dog
Replies: 88
Views: 10780

Re: American Airlines flight attendant bitten by emotional support dog

The emotional support animal restrictions have already been tightened quite a bit (including the requirement to produce a doctors note as opposed to credible verbal assurance). That means that this passenger already had documentation from a medical professional stating that he/she needed this animal...

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by alasizon
Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:54 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 526
Views: 65167

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

What is the other city or cities that sees an AA 319 in Fargo. I can't believe the aircraft would sit for 15 hrs. ORD or DFW? Its only a 50 minute turn in FAR based on your quoted schedule. Where did you get the schedules? I can't seem to find them published anywhere. Fargo Fargo to Phoenix: Depart...

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by alasizon
Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:15 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Defunct airlines flight 1
Replies: 8
Views: 953

Re: Defunct airlines flight 1

The hard part with some historical airlines is that it changed on a semi-regular basis. For instance, Midway had DTW-MDW-MCI as their original flight 1; later it was changed to DTW-MDW-STL then DTW-MDW-DFW and later down the road (near the end) they dropped all one and two digit flight numbers. Sure...

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by alasizon
Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 526
Views: 65167

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

I'd agree with you as it's rumored to be added this fall (FAR-PHX) but, thats a lot of seats out of FAR with Allegiant running double daily on some days in the winter on A320s, Frontier 3x weekly on A320 and if AA added it my guess would be it would have to be on a CRJ 900 to be profitable. Lots of...

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by alasizon
Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 526
Views: 65167

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

paulsaz wrote:
Nice video, but it doesn't look like there is a moving walkway between concourses.


That apparently is the plan; no moving walkways in the connector at all as the angled corner at D12 will maximize retail space and the connector will have a custom terrazzo floor.

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by alasizon
Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:37 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Unconfirmed: Mesa Airlines to Operate 737
Replies: 56
Views: 12379

Re: Unconfirmed: Mesa Airlines to Operate 737

Southern cant have the same pilots fly both the 400’s and 800’s same reason Alaska had tomditch there “combi” birds for pure cargo 700’s. The combi’s were steam gauges.. FAA won’t sign off on a common type for them... Seems plausible that Mesa wants in the cargo door and here is there chance.. FAA ...

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by alasizon
Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:01 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA lawsuit against TWU/IAM (redux)
Replies: 419
Views: 26947

Re: AA lawsuit against TWU/IAM (redux)

AA has spent $15 BILLION over the past few years to buyback stock, and to cover all of the Association members in the lower cost, better coverage LUS IAM health insurance is a cost of $39 million a year. AA has a responsibility to their shareholders as well to increase stock value and provide a ROI...

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by alasizon
Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Unconfirmed: Mesa Airlines to Operate 737
Replies: 56
Views: 12379

Re: Unconfirmed: Mesa Airlines to Operate 737

The aircraft are actually one of the few steam gauge cockpits left out there. On a related note, who ships through DHL in the US? I haven't seen a package delivered from them in years. L Brands does most of their shipping domestically with DHL. There have been lots of rumors that Mesa was going to ...

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by alasizon
Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA lawsuit against TWU/IAM (redux)
Replies: 419
Views: 26947

Re: AA lawsuit against TWU/IAM (redux)

AA has spent $15 BILLION over the past few years to buyback stock, and to cover all of the Association members in the lower cost, better coverage LUS IAM health insurance is a cost of $39 million a year. AA has a responsibility to their shareholders as well to increase stock value and provide a ROI...

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by alasizon
Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 7/21/2019: AA Reduces MYR;WC Adds DAL;MAX Cuts
Replies: 69
Views: 9080

Re: OAG Changes 7/21/2019: AA Reduces MYR;WC Adds DAL;MAX Cuts

AA PHL-SEA DEC 4>3[1.0] JAN 4>1.0[0.6] FEB 4>1.0[0.8] MAR 4>1.0[1.0] Wow, AA seems to be really struggling in SEA. They cut SEA-JFK entirely just a few weeks back.. Now SEA-PHL just has a single redeye left. 1x on PHL-SEA Jan-Mar is not that unusual. I think AS is running 2x until December. YOY als...

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by alasizon
Sun Jul 21, 2019 12:59 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA lawsuit against TWU/IAM (redux)
Replies: 419
Views: 26947

Re: AA lawsuit against TWU/IAM (redux)

AS the employees do the work, they generate the revenue. Nothing a mechanic does generates revenue. An AMT protects the revenue generated by the yield management & sales folks and that revenue is provided by the customers. Without customers, there is no revenue to be had. Guess you dint realize...

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by alasizon
Sun Jul 21, 2019 12:49 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA Fleet Updates - 2019
Replies: 706
Views: 118837

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Is N501AA almost done? It didn't do any flying on the 18th, did one flight yesterday and one today. The spare to operational fleet ratio is crazy high on the MD-80s currently as they are on their way out the door. Its not uncommon for one to fly for a few days currently as that means others didn't ...

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by alasizon
Sun Jul 21, 2019 12:47 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 2Delta planes clip wings while taxiing in Boston?
Replies: 6
Views: 2989

Re: 2Delta planes clip wings while taxiing in Boston?

BOS has always had a tight ramp. A lot of wingwalkers are extremely complacent in their job since nothing ever "happens". New Englanders aren't used to the extreme heat and humidity we are experiencing right now, it tends to make us stupid and prone to mistakes. The heat (and the resultant...

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by alasizon
Sat Jul 20, 2019 2:40 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA lawsuit against TWU/IAM (redux)
Replies: 419
Views: 26947

Re: AA lawsuit against TWU/IAM (redux)

Boof02671 wrote:
AS the employees do the work, they generate the revenue.


Nothing a mechanic does generates revenue. An AMT protects the revenue generated by the yield management & sales folks and that revenue is provided by the customers. Without customers, there is no revenue to be had.

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by alasizon
Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:47 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: “Dear American Airlines, I Hate You With My Whole Heart.” writes disgruntled traveler
Replies: 179
Views: 23142

Re: “Dear American Airlines, I Hate You With My Whole Heart.” writes disgruntled traveler

The airline industry is unique in so many ways. It is the only industry that I can think of where many employees thing they can abuse their customers in the name of "security", and can sell a single item more than once on a regular basis with the excuse of "we lose money if the seat ...

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by alasizon
Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:06 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: “Dear American Airlines, I Hate You With My Whole Heart.” writes disgruntled traveler
Replies: 179
Views: 23142

Re: “Dear American Airlines, I Hate You With My Whole Heart.” writes disgruntled traveler

What's the airlines logic for cancelling all legs if one leg is missed? Other than, because they can, and sell the seat twice? The theory being that you aren't going to take the return trip if you didn't take the outbound trip. Its not just about selling the seat twice, its about being able to use ...

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by alasizon
Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United beats on 2Q earnings, adding used 737
Replies: 89
Views: 17720

Re: United beats on 2Q earnings, adding used 737

On another UA thread someone who said they had “inside sources” said the 737-700 aircraft were coming from WN which never made any sense to me. I doubt its the case. However, it could make slight sense. WN was supposed to start retiring some of the older 73Gs next year (pending MAX deliveries of co...

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by alasizon
Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA lawsuit against TWU/IAM (redux)
Replies: 419
Views: 26947

Re: AA lawsuit against TWU/IAM (redux)

Catering is one where even though LSG and GateGourmet charges absolutely crazy fees, its very difficult and expensive to do in house with the constant changing menus and specifications. Catering vehicles last less time than most other GSE and the facilities require more upkeep on a regular basis. Th...

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by alasizon
Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:04 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 526
Views: 65167

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

I'd agree with you as it's rumored to be added this fall (FAR-PHX) but, thats a lot of seats out of FAR with Allegiant running double daily on some days in the winter on A320s, Frontier 3x weekly on A320 and if AA added it my guess would be it would have to be on a CRJ 900 to be profitable. Lots of...

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by alasizon
Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:55 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 526
Views: 65167

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

I'm really surprised to see Frontier beat American to the punch on the Fargo to Phoenix route, it seems like they could've offered a major competition to Allegiant and offered some nice connection times if they timed it right like they do in Sioux Falls and soon to be Rapid City. Wouldn't surprise ...

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by alasizon
Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:15 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 526
Views: 65167

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

travaz wrote:
My question is what is the schedule. I don't want to fly PHX SAN at 01:00


PHX-SAN 0955 - 1012
SAN-PHX 1103 - 1330

PHX-SLC 1427 - 1610
SLC-PHX 1701 - 1848

PHX-FAR 1633 - 2040
FAR-PHX 2130 - 0007

PHX-DTW 0645 - 1239
DTW-PHX 2112 - 2331

Overall looks like competitive timings.

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by alasizon
Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United beats on 2Q earnings, adding used 737
Replies: 89
Views: 17720

Re: United beats on 2Q earnings, adding used 737

Anyone else notice the handicap icon for CASM? I'll agree that is a weird icon choice. The biggest piece I see here is the nice increase in PRASM, while I'm sure part of that is due to Easter & start of summer both falling in Q2 this year shifting some revenue out of Q1; UA still put a good hea...

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by alasizon
Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA diversion to Yuma
Replies: 27
Views: 4498

Re: AA diversion to Yuma

commpilot wrote:
It is a shame the rescue plane pushed PHX at 15:25 and not 15:10.

directorguy wrote:
Wish there was a like button for this

Seabear wrote:
Or flight AA310...


AA has a daily PHX-YUM flight that leaves at 1510 (OO2988) so we've got you covered daily

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by alasizon
Mon Jul 15, 2019 5:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA lawsuit against TWU/IAM (redux)
Replies: 419
Views: 26947

Re: AA lawsuit against TWU/IAM (redux)

The problem is now not just on the MX side of the house. I'm hearing lots of issues from friends across the system with ramp crew chiefs refusing to work flights and refusing to abide by the "Helping Hands" agreement. You have IAM crew chiefs refusing to work TWU gates/aircraft and vice ve...

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by alasizon
Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:57 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA Fleet Updates - 2019
Replies: 706
Views: 118837

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

I think Robert Isom said the Oasis program is on hold until 2020. Just my opinion, but I would not be surprised if they pushed it back so that they could make some changes to the project. Oasis is only suspended on the 737s. Oasis is still scheduled to proceed as planned for the A321s. Source: http...

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by alasizon
Mon Jul 08, 2019 6:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why is AM/DL weak in Mexico vs AA
Replies: 48
Views: 5666

Re: Why is AM/DL weak in Mexico vs AA

Generally tourism supports most of the flights from the US to smaller Mexican airports. And segment distance matters, too: CUL, VSA, or QRO have relatively little tourist/business connections, and they require too much plane time. Whereas TRC and DGO are easy to serve with quick hops from Texas. Gi...

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by alasizon
Mon Jul 08, 2019 6:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why is AM/DL weak in Mexico vs AA
Replies: 48
Views: 5666

Re: Why is AM/DL weak in Mexico vs AA

I have tried to book AA to Guadalajara from SMF and I have to go to DFW. US, before the merger, had a great early morning departure SMF with a change in PHX. The early AM departure SMF-PHX still connects to the PHX-GDL 10AM departure. There are also some markets on the U.S.-Mexico border that AM se...

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by alasizon
Fri Jul 05, 2019 12:00 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA Fleet Updates - 2019
Replies: 706
Views: 118837

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Hi from the UK. Does anyone have info on 789 N835AN? Apparently it flew DFW to Tulsa on June 5th, but diverted to San Antonio? and hasn't moved since. Is this correct, and what's the problem? Thank you. There was a lightning strike that caused damage to the aircraft and it is being repaired in SAT.

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by alasizon
Thu Jul 04, 2019 11:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 526
Views: 65167

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Interesting change of plans...from routesonline: https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/285151/american-moves-forward-a321neo-phoenix-hawaii-service-to-4q19/ I'm betting due to the continued MAX grounding because there's a separate item about some increased 757 ops to the Caribbean.. Ame...

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by alasizon
Thu Jul 04, 2019 1:18 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Air Lines June 2019 Operating Performance.
Replies: 95
Views: 11091

Re: Delta Air Lines June 2019 Operating Performance.

SLC to subsidize their network I don't believe it would be fair to say SLC generates any sort of revenue premium compared to DEN & PHX. DL puts out a good product and definitely gets folks to believe in their flavor of Kool-Aid but I'm not sold that they can sustain it. There is limited room in...

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by alasizon
Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DCA to close for July 4th Celebration
Replies: 116
Views: 13508

Re: DCA to close for July 4th Celebration

I mean this is common sense stuff. You have to literally ignore it’s a holiday to hype this up as some sort of massive nationwide travel inconvenience. Definitely politics and not operational. I'm not hyping this up as a nationwide travel inconvenience. Rather simply stating its an inconvenience to...

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by alasizon
Wed Jul 03, 2019 6:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DCA to close for July 4th Celebration
Replies: 116
Views: 13508

Re: DCA to close for July 4th Celebration

The coolness of AF1, Blue Angeles and an F35 fly over will outweigh a few delays on probably empty flights excluding the nonrevs. Flights aren't going to be empty, you can expect probably a 50-70% LF averaged overall. How many of you making comments on this will be personally impacted. Answer. None...

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by alasizon
Wed Jul 03, 2019 3:53 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DCA to close for July 4th Celebration
Replies: 116
Views: 13508

Re: DCA to close for July 4th Celebration

At delta we run 12 flights a day between atlanta and dca. On july 4th we have 7 and only 1 in that window. It probably inconveniences very few, their flight will be delayed like an irop. Theyll be okay. Your political persuasion will determine how you handle it and I'm pretty sure you'll believe yo...

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by alasizon
Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 6/30/2019:AA Drops JFK-SEA,YVR-ORD/PHX,Adds;F9 Changes;AS Reduces DAL;B6 Shuffles Routes;DL RDU-JAX
Replies: 92
Views: 15074

Re: OAG Changes 6/30/2019:AA Drops JFK-SEA,YVR-ORD/PHX,Adds;F9 Changes;AS Reduces DAL;B6 Shuffles Routes;DL RDU-JAX

YYZORD wrote:
AA should've codeshared with CX and JL on their ORD/PHX-YVR routes, this could've helped increase pax on those flights.


Number of pax likely aren't the issue, rather yield is.

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by alasizon
Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA Adds JFK-MBJ/SJO/LIR, PHX-CID/ICT/MSY + Caribbean Extensions/Increases
Replies: 73
Views: 9106

Re: AA Adds JFK-MBJ/SJO/LIR, PHX-CID/ICT/MSY + Caribbean Extensions/Increases

I would give a year before JFK-MBJ/SJO/LIR get canceled. Now there are 4 airlines on JFK-SJO and AA no longer has US point of sale. These new routes appear to be more slot squatting by AA. We shall see. Pretty long routes to be slot squatting on. If it was slot squatting, I'd expect you would see d...

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by alasizon
Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Continental Holdings changing name to United Airlines Holdings
Replies: 44
Views: 5738

Re: United Continental Holdings changing name to United Airlines Holdings

kiowa wrote:
Strange place to put effort into. What is the purpose?


Likely a matter of just trying to streamline everything and tie it into having a refreshed corporate identity as "one airline".

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by alasizon
Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 526
Views: 65167

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Likely just not one that is going to happen unless AA opts for a new small ML narrowbody as 319s are in very hot demand within the AA network and I think the route is just too long and thin yield wise. AA hasn't been as keen as UA has on using the E75 on longer (1500+ miles) routes so I don't seem ...

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by alasizon
Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2019
Replies: 478
Views: 72429

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2019

chepos wrote:
Anyone know if GRR is returning W19/20?

GRR was planned to come back for the Winter but not until January from my understanding so it likely just hasn't been loaded yet.

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by alasizon
Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Contour Announces SBP-LAS Begins Oct 17
Replies: 7
Views: 921

Re: Contour Announces SBP-LAS Begins Oct 17

I know the E145 isn't the best runway performer when wet, but how does the E135's performance compare (particularly on landing)?

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by alasizon
Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 526
Views: 65167

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2019

Still waiting patiently for AA to bring back PHX-CLE... But always good to get more dots on the map from PHX. Likely just not one that is going to happen unless AA opts for a new small ML narrowbody as 319s are in very hot demand within the AA network and I think the route is just too long and thin...

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