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by alasizon
Thu May 21, 2020 6:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UA to partner with the Cleveland Clinic and Clorox
Replies: 24
Views: 2579

Re: UA to partner with the Cleveland Clinic and Clorox

Clorox not only provides household cleaning supplies they also supply cleaning products to many corporations and office buildings. Many of those office buildings are not empty so Clorox probably has a lot of commercial cleaning supplies in stock that they aren't selling. We saw the same thing with ...

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by alasizon
Thu May 21, 2020 5:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: SLC Airport to Close Existing Concourses as new ones open
Replies: 66
Views: 8833

Re: SLC Airport to Close All Existing Gates in September

Sounds quite a bit like the airlines are not 100% on board given the quote and are concerned with their ability to serve SLC adequately. “Many of the airlines are telling us they want more gates faster. I love their enthusiasm. But my job is as well to look out for Salt Lake City, and I think that ...

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by alasizon
Thu May 21, 2020 5:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: SLC Airport to Close Existing Concourses as new ones open
Replies: 66
Views: 8833

Re: SLC Airport to Close All Existing Gates in September

Sounds quite a bit like the airlines are not 100% on board given the quote and are concerned with their ability to serve SLC adequately. “Many of the airlines are telling us they want more gates faster. I love their enthusiasm. But my job is as well to look out for Salt Lake City, and I think that t...

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by alasizon
Thu May 21, 2020 1:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UA to partner with the Cleveland Clinic and Clorox
Replies: 24
Views: 2579

Re: UA to partner with the Cleveland Clinic and Clorox

The procedures don't sound any different than what AA is doing. So the question becomes, what benefit is there for UA to go down this route? It is likely more costly since they are paying for dedicated Clorox supplies and I don't think passengers are going to perceive a value difference in a plane c...

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by alasizon
Wed May 20, 2020 8:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Miami Air seeks Ch 11 bankruptcy protection
Replies: 70
Views: 15576

Re: Miami Air seeks Ch 11 bankruptcy protection

Doesn’t World Atlantic have a large contract for repatriation flights? That’s gotta be some of the most stable flying to be had these days I believe they do. Even if they did, ICE has stopped most of the repatriation flights and half the countries that have normal flights have their borders closed....

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by alasizon
Wed May 20, 2020 7:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - May 2020
Replies: 184
Views: 25160

Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - May 2020

Hi! Are there any U.S. airlines planning on getting rid of First Class? With the new restrictions it seems like there is hardly any service in F class anymore anyway and in coach they are leaving the middle seats open. Is there really any purpose to domestic F class anymore after COVID19? Would it ...

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by alasizon
Tue May 19, 2020 9:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: TSA Screening Numbers - Charts and Comparisons
Replies: 376
Views: 55055

Re: TSA Screening Numbers - Charts and Comparisons

I hope so, but I just attempted to book 3different flights for next month. Traveling from a medium size city, only one flight a day on my carrier of choice. All three flights sold out. Then vote with your wallet. This is ultimately the best thing to do. If you want to go somewhere and your carrier ...

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by alasizon
Mon May 18, 2020 3:51 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 5/17/2020: UNRAVELING; DL Leaves CAK/MHT/PHF/SWF/CZM w/No Resumption Planned
Replies: 138
Views: 15772

Re: OAG Changes 5/17/2020: UNRAVELING; DL Leaves CAK/MHT/PHF/SWF/CZM w/No Resumption Planned

These are departures, since you say everything is gettting cancelled, as you can see 25% for DTW. https://i.imgur.com/4QMYYCs.jpg I have shown you departures, I have shown you seats, if you can't understand it I can't help you..... a February and March are irrelevant and you know that. We all know ...

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by alasizon
Mon May 18, 2020 2:58 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 5/17/2020: UNRAVELING; DL Leaves CAK/MHT/PHF/SWF/CZM w/No Resumption Planned
Replies: 138
Views: 15772

Re: OAG Changes 5/17/2020: UNRAVELING; DL Leaves CAK/MHT/PHF/SWF/CZM w/No Resumption Planned

AA I think is flying too much. We will see what they put in for July. I believe June is 80% down domestic and 70% down international. AA is keeping their domestic network artificially higher than their peers in hopes of capitalizing on their network allowing more same-day connecting opportunities t...

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by alasizon
Sun May 17, 2020 6:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PAE/Paine Field 10-week suspension
Replies: 11
Views: 2722

Re: PAE/Paine Field 10-week suspension

I believe only the immediate ground around the terminal is new, the rest I believe is the existing asphalt. Perhaps the asphalt needs repair which cuts off access to the terminal? The ramp is new, but the asphalt is too soft for the E175, causing them to sink into the ground a bit. They've broken s...

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by alasizon
Sun May 17, 2020 3:07 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PAE/Paine Field 10-week suspension
Replies: 11
Views: 2722

Re: PAE/Paine Field 10-week suspension

I must have missed it, but didn't realize UA has been running PAE-PDX-DEN as a tag flight (but you can't book a connection in PDX and have to go to DEN first, as is the same with the other UA tag flights vs AS tag flights). It would make more sense to me to stop at a ton of other smaller airports b...

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by alasizon
Sat May 16, 2020 1:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA Fleet Updates - 2020
Replies: 1118
Views: 182209

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Scope clause. 65-seat RJs are considered "small RJs" versus 66-76 are large RJs. AA's pilot contract has limits for large RJs and overall number of RJs (large + small). By reconfiguring them, they make room for more E175s and CR9s. The same was down with SkyWest's AA operated CR7s (6F/64Y...

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by alasizon
Sat May 16, 2020 12:27 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 361
Views: 43578

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020

BigPlaneGuy13 wrote:
I’ve been noticing on FR24 the last few days that departures are utilizing 7R/25L and 8/26 at KPHX. What’s the reasoning behind this? Haven’t seen anything posted.

7L/25R is closed for lighting upgrades until 5/18

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by alasizon
Thu May 14, 2020 10:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL Will Have 7,000 Extra Pilots in Fall
Replies: 176
Views: 23752

Re: DL Will Have 7,000 Extra Pilots in Fall

AA has already published a September vacancy/displacement. E190-75/76-a330 pilots all being displaced. New positions CLT 737/777 and MIA 787. Whoa!! That appears to deserve its own thread? AA E190, 757, 767, A330 all being retired semi-permanently? Is that correct? It's believable, so I am asking. ...

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by alasizon
Thu May 14, 2020 5:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UPS Signs 5 Year Lease To Add Gary Airport To Its Cargo Network
Replies: 15
Views: 3371

Re: UPS Signs 5 Year Lease To Add Gary Airport To Its Cargo Network

The ventilator thing wouldn’t drive it. Opening up a new gateway is a long process, this has probably been in the works for almost 2 years. This is all because of e commerce. More and more people are buying on line. Can’t say I know the Chicago area well, but looking at it on a map, getting cans to...

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by alasizon
Thu May 14, 2020 4:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UPS Signs 5 Year Lease To Add Gary Airport To Its Cargo Network
Replies: 15
Views: 3371

Re: UPS Signs 5 Year Lease To Add Gary Airport To Its Cargo Network

The ventilator thing wouldn’t drive it. Opening up a new gateway is a long process, this has probably been in the works for almost 2 years. This is all because of e commerce. More and more people are buying on line. Can’t say I know the Chicago area well, but looking at it on a map, getting cans to...

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by alasizon
Thu May 14, 2020 2:59 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UA planning layoffs but not AA, DL etc..?
Replies: 110
Views: 14958

Re: UA planning layoffs but not AA, DL etc..?

Would it really cost $100 million dollars for training? Especially since you are only going to have 4 types of aircraft going forward. Aren't you going to have to train a bunch of new 777/787 drivers? I'm not that familiar with airline pay. In my last industry (ships), a Captain was paid the same w...

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by alasizon
Wed May 13, 2020 10:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American to Return Parked Envoy E-175's/E-145's to Service by June 3
Replies: 19
Views: 5383

Re: American to Return Parked Envoy E-175's/E-145's to Service by June 3

So is the plan to have OO CR7s restart up the LAX Eagle operation? Or will Envoy go to LAX eventually? The latest OO earnings mention they don’t expect the 20 new E175 to be arriving for awhile now. Skywest will handle all the LAX flying, probably some fly through by Mesa's CRJ's. Envoy doesn't hav...

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by alasizon
Wed May 13, 2020 10:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American to Return Parked Envoy E-175's/E-145's to Service by June 3
Replies: 19
Views: 5383

Re: American to Return Parked Envoy E-175's/E-145's to Service by June 3

ericm2031 wrote:
So is the plan to have OO CR7s restart up the LAX Eagle operation? Or will Envoy go to LAX eventually?

The latest OO earnings mention they don’t expect the 20 new E175 to be arriving for awhile now.


The OO CR7s are filling the void in LAX for now.

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by alasizon
Wed May 13, 2020 4:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UA planning layoffs but not AA, DL etc..?
Replies: 110
Views: 14958

Re: UA planning layoffs but not AA, DL etc..?

Like I said, I would hope that anyone exhibiting unsafe practices are already being severely disciplined or fired. Often those that are not severely disciplined or fired only are that way due to a failure by managers to hold them accountable. Plenty of lower level managers don't want to have the to...

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by alasizon
Wed May 13, 2020 3:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UA planning layoffs but not AA, DL etc..?
Replies: 110
Views: 14958

Re: UA planning layoffs but not AA, DL etc..?

Frontline employees (those covered by a CBA) will be furloughed based on seniority per the terms of their agreement. Management & Administrative employees (basically all back office functions which are not covered by a CBA) will be laid off. Frontline and IOC/NOC/SOC management also can be furl...

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by alasizon
Tue May 12, 2020 11:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - May 2020
Replies: 184
Views: 25160

Re: CARES: DOT Will Allow Airlines to Drop 5% of Stations

I can see a lot of markets served by Envoy getting the axe first, especially ones out in West Texas and Southwestern New Mexico. Markets such as ABI, MAF, ROW, SJT, and SPS probably completely lose service. Also, I could see airports closer to DFW such as ACT, TYR and GGG being good candidates to a...

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by alasizon
Tue May 12, 2020 10:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - May 2020
Replies: 184
Views: 25160

Re: CARES: DOT Will Allow Airlines to Drop 5% of Stations

I can see a lot of markets served by Envoy getting the axe first, especially ones out in West Texas and Southwestern New Mexico. Markets such as ABI, MAF, ROW, SJT, and SPS probably completely lose service. Also, I could see airports closer to DFW such as ACT, TYR and GGG being good candidates to a...

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by alasizon
Tue May 12, 2020 10:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA Fleet Updates - 2020
Replies: 1118
Views: 182209

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sorry to ask a rather off-topic question, however hoping someone here might be able to help; Does anyone know when PSA Airlines re-configured their CRJ-700s (operated by US Airways in 70Y and then 9F/58Y) to the American Eagle 9F/56Y configuration? Or are these aircraft still in the 9F/58Y? Many th...

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by alasizon
Sat May 09, 2020 2:57 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Eastern Airlines applies for domestic scheduled authority, plans JFK-SAN Jun 2020
Replies: 46
Views: 7005

Re: Eastern Airlines applies for domestic scheduled authority, plans JFK-SAN Jun 2020

However, last May my MDW-SAN flight got boarded and took-off in record time, thanks to these curfews. After an afternoon thunderstorm blew through and delayed operations, our 9 PM flight was still showing on time. Passengers, however, had begun to line themselves up in preparation for boarding, all...

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by alasizon
Fri May 08, 2020 9:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - May 2020
Replies: 184
Views: 25160

Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - May 2020

Def feels like it’s ramping up. What your flight legit 90 or 90 with middles blocked? The middle seats were not blocked unfortunately. Sounds like they might need to add flights in some markets if they are really gonna block middles WN is already doing this on their markets that were originally 1x ...

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by alasizon
Fri May 08, 2020 5:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Eastern Airlines applies for domestic scheduled authority, plans JFK-SAN Jun 2020
Replies: 46
Views: 7005

Re: Eastern Airlines applies for domestic scheduled authority, plans JFK-SAN Jun 2020

However, last May my MDW-SAN flight got boarded and took-off in record time, thanks to these curfews. After an afternoon thunderstorm blew through and delayed operations, our 9 PM flight was still showing on time. Passengers, however, had begun to line themselves up in preparation for boarding, all...

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by alasizon
Thu May 07, 2020 11:08 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: F9 To Deny Boarding to Crew or Passengers with Temp Above 100F
Replies: 22
Views: 1751

Re: F9 To Deny Boarding to Crew or Passengers with Temp Above 100F

100.4 has been the standard everywhere for employees being denied access (including crewmembers). F9 is just expanding this to passengers as well. It means nothing however if they don't have accurate thermometers. Some of the ones out there are crazy inaccurate - you can test yourself three times an...

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by alasizon
Tue May 05, 2020 5:43 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 361
Views: 43578

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020

I believe in one of the previous threads, maybe earlier in this one there is a land use diagram in the Master Plan Document. This diagram shows how expansive Honeywell is across that North side. The Honeywell campus more or less spans from 38th Street to 28th Street. Wonder if they’ll have to move ...

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by alasizon
Mon May 04, 2020 3:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 361
Views: 43578

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020

At least this time, for once, the in/out movement of AF1 won't cause a big ATC/airfield disruption; it should be quite minimal in my estimation, no? The inbound time will be a hassle more so than the outbound but if he tours the on-site Honeywell plant it'll be a much bigger headache as it'll restr...

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by alasizon
Sun May 03, 2020 6:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 361
Views: 43578

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020

Looks like Trump will be arriving in Phoenix on Tuesday to tour Honeywell at Sky Harbor. https://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_0_8132.html In our time zone irs between 11am and 330pm. My assumption is that he will arrive here around 11, and depart here between 3 and 3:30, and tour Honeywell during ...

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by alasizon
Sun May 03, 2020 2:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 5/3/2020: The New Abnormal
Replies: 74
Views: 13383

Re: OAG Changes 5/3/2020: The New Abnormal

amcnd wrote:
Thought i heard AA “Eagle” LAX was starting back Again in June...??...


They are, there will be 3 flights a day. Two to SFO and one to PHX.

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by alasizon
Sun May 03, 2020 2:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Warren Buffet out of aviation
Replies: 19
Views: 2847

Re: Warren Buffet out of aviation

Nobody, even Warren Buffett knows where we will be at next month or next year, much less three years from now. At this point it is all speculation and it won't be until we have the benefit of hindsight that we could look back and see who was right and who was wrong. A track record is quite literally...

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by alasizon
Sun May 03, 2020 2:15 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: To be in Compliance with CARES Act B6 to Add Routes Like SFO-SMF,MCO-SRQ,MSY-IAH, SLC-BZN, etc
Replies: 120
Views: 18167

Re: To be in Compliance with CARES Act B6 to Add Routes Like SFO-SMF,MCO-SRQ,MSY-IAH, SLC-BZN, etc

SELMER40 wrote:
What if the DOT said to an airline requesting a city deletion- If you leave a city you can not return to it within 3 years.


They have no standing to do so on domestic routes.

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by alasizon
Sun May 03, 2020 1:15 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA's PHX Hub in Jeopardy?
Replies: 198
Views: 27287

Re: AA's PHX Hub in Jeopardy?

All of you are comparing two different types of hub operations. One is high-cost, high-reward O&D focused while one is low-cost, mass connection focused. Both hubs exist for their specific strengths. LAX cannot (and no attempt would be made) to absorb the connection flows that PHX runs, simply ...

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by alasizon
Sat May 02, 2020 5:25 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: FAA investigating Harrison Ford after runway incident
Replies: 35
Views: 9568

Re: FAA investigating Harrison Ford after runway incident

If the readback does end up being the issue here, I don’t expect there to be any actual issues for Ford. The hearback on the controller's side is just as important as the readback by the pilot.

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by alasizon
Sat May 02, 2020 2:33 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA Fleet Updates - 2020
Replies: 1118
Views: 182209

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Regional Impacts: All CR2 Retired The only asterisk here is that the SkyWest CR2s are still operating at-risk routes through the end of June (PHX-SGU, DFW-MEI/PIB) but they aren't really AA's to retire anyhow. For fleet simplification would it make sense to retire all of the IAE powered A319s and C...

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by alasizon
Sat May 02, 2020 2:27 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA's PHX Hub in Jeopardy?
Replies: 198
Views: 27287

Re: AA's PHX Hub in Jeopardy?

All of you are comparing two different types of hub operations. One is high-cost, high-reward O&D focused while one is low-cost, mass connection focused. Both hubs exist for their specific strengths. LAX cannot (and no attempt would be made) to absorb the connection flows that PHX runs, simply n...

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by alasizon
Sat May 02, 2020 2:10 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: "In town" airports / Your favorites
Replies: 58
Views: 4055

Re: "In town" airports / Your favorites

So the definition of "in town" really differs based on where you're from. However, SEA, PDX, SFO, LAS, PHX, DCA, LGA, DFW, DAL, SAN, MDW, BOS, BUR, SNA, LGB, and RNO off the top of my head could all be considered in town here in the US. SFO is not an "in town" airport. It is a g...

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by alasizon
Fri May 01, 2020 12:10 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: "In town" airports / Your favorites
Replies: 58
Views: 4055

Re: "In town" airports / Your favorites

So the definition of "in town" really differs based on where you're from.

However, SEA, PDX, SFO, LAS, PHX, DCA, LGA, DFW, DAL, SAN, MDW, BOS, BUR, SNA, LGB, and RNO off the top of my head could all be considered in town here in the US.

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by alasizon
Fri May 01, 2020 12:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020
Replies: 542
Views: 99338

Re: JetBlue requiring all customers to cover their face beginning May 4th

Just stupid, it serves no purpose when everyone is taking them off to eat or drink anyway. I guess I won’t be flying for awhile because I refuse to do this Completely disagree. Anything that helps to further reduce transmission risk is helpful. The amount of time spent with the mask off for drinks/...

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by alasizon
Mon Apr 27, 2020 7:16 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 4/26/2020: Saturday Night Massacre
Replies: 109
Views: 19624

Re: OAG Changes 4/26/2020: Saturday Night Massacre

Some strange adds, AS ANC-SCC and DL SEA-KTN are both showing minor year over year increases. As I recall ANC-SCC was a planned increase due to trimming FAI-SCC this year due to the poor ish performance last year. The ANC-FAI-SCC-ANC routing apparently was quite rough.. Not sure if it was accidenta...

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by alasizon
Sun Apr 26, 2020 4:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 4/26/2020: Saturday Night Massacre
Replies: 109
Views: 19624

Re: OAG Changes 4/26/2020: Saturday Night Massacre

OO applied for the the exemption. It’s one of the very first items in the docket. And since it’s being subsidized by the state, you’re correct in that it should be exempt. Thank you. I forgot to check OO's exemption filing. Oops. So the fact that this route was scrubbed completely makes it seem tha...

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by alasizon
Sat Apr 25, 2020 4:35 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020
Replies: 542
Views: 99338

Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Did WN opt for their summer schedule or Winter? If they chose the summer schedule, do they have to return to EWR? Regardless of which they opted for they wouldn't have to return to EWR as long as they continue to serve LGA and ISP. There was a provision that allows airlines to concentrate service a...

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by alasizon
Wed Apr 22, 2020 5:22 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Info on 4 Hour Rule at NW
Replies: 30
Views: 5500

Re: Info on 4 Hour Rule at NW

Obviously cross-utilization could cut jobs in some stations, but in others it may save or even create. For example in stations where DL has a vendor doing BW, with the reductions in flights it may make some sense to drop the vendor in favor of having a something setup like the 4-hour rule stations....

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by alasizon
Sun Apr 19, 2020 4:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020
Replies: 542
Views: 99338

Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Airports and their operators/owners including national and local governments will be in very dire financial situations for at least the next 2 years as sales, income, and other tax revenues, space lease fees (like from concessions in terminals, car rentals,) fees from corporate and government manag...

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by alasizon
Sun Apr 19, 2020 2:15 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Charles Duncan named president of Swoop
Replies: 5
Views: 1437

Re: Charles Duncan named president of Swoop

[code][/code] Well that move should save WS at least 100k/year. Combine two executive positions into one. More like $500k+ including benefits... Congrats to Charles as he’s a fantastic manager and leader. A lot of experience running airlines, including Continental Micronesia way back. It’s definite...

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by alasizon
Sat Apr 18, 2020 1:45 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: US Regional Airlines after Coronavirus
Replies: 54
Views: 8919

Re: US Regional Airlines after Coronavirus

I think it’s pretty far fetched to see Mesa getting any additional flying from AA, their likely to lose half of their capacity agreement next year. Does anyone actually think AA is a fan of Mesa?! They’ve pulled all 6 of 6 airplanes per the contract. I doubt Mesa will be renewed honestly... More th...

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by alasizon
Sat Apr 18, 2020 1:13 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WN asks TWU for concessions
Replies: 83
Views: 14135

Re: WN asks TWU for concessions

Just to be clear there are four locals that fall under the TWU International umbrella at Southwest. The letter referenced above is from the TWU International President 550 - Dispatchers 555- Ramp, Operations & Provisioning 556- Flight Attendants 557- Flight Crew Training Instructors Someone wil...

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by alasizon
Fri Apr 17, 2020 3:32 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WN asks TWU for concessions
Replies: 83
Views: 14135

Re: WN asks TWU for concessions

1) SWA has purchased ~11 billion in sock buybacks. 2) Nobody currently knows how this is going to play out between now and 9/30/2020. 3) SWA has accepted ~3.5 billion in bailout money. 4) They have cash in the bank. 5) They went straight to concessions without offering voluntary options first. I ag...

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