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by cathay747
Sun Mar 15, 2020 2:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA Fleet Updates - 2020
Replies: 1173
Views: 193931

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

American Airlines is grounding 135 WIDEBODY aircraft... if you count the 763s, there are currently 139 widebody aircraft in AA’s fleet, meaning only 4 widebody aircraft will be in service to fly the only three long-haul routes that will be served: DFW-LHR/NRT and MIA-LHR. Does that means they are p...

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by cathay747
Sun Mar 15, 2020 2:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA Fleet Updates - 2020
Replies: 1173
Views: 193931

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

American Airlines is grounding 135 WIDEBODY aircraft... if you count the 763s, there are currently 139 widebody aircraft in AA’s fleet, meaning only 4 widebody aircraft will be in service to fly the only three long-haul routes that will be served: DFW-LHR/NRT and MIA-LHR. My bad, not sure how I mis...

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by cathay747
Sun Mar 15, 2020 2:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020
Replies: 1728
Views: 238392

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

The curious thing I see in the AA press release is their quote about suspending SoAmer except "certain northern SoAmer markets" but from what I'm seeing, they're suspending ALL services to SoAmer. I mean, they're axing everything to Colombia, Ecuador, LIM (if you even consider that "n...

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by cathay747
Sat Mar 14, 2020 2:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA Fleet Updates - 2020
Replies: 1173
Views: 193931

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Who will buy the A333s when they are retired? They are only 20 years old. I still believe these aircraft could fly AA's Hawaii routes instead of A321s and B757s. 9 A333 for Hawaii routes only could concentrate the mechanics and parts for this type of aircraft only in one market with one hub (PHX) a...

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by cathay747
Sat Mar 14, 2020 2:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: DOT denies Hawaiian-JAL Antitrust Immunity
Replies: 37
Views: 8707

Re: DOT tentatively approves Hawaiian-JAL JV, but without ATI

Update from DOT. JV approved, but ATI denied again. I am sure HA especially is disappointed. The Department is finalizing its tentative decision in Order 2019-10-5, approving the commercial agreements to the extent that they comply with U.S. antitrust law, but denying a grant of ATI. The Department...

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by cathay747
Fri Mar 13, 2020 4:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KL 744 Phase out News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1138
Views: 315436

Re: KLM retires all 747 by end of March

jfklganyc wrote:
This downturn will finish the 744s like 9/11 finished the 727s


And the DC-10, L-1011, 737-200...

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by cathay747
Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Alitalia News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1441
Views: 343631

Re: Alitalia bankruptcy and selling process discussion thread

Either that or corona will be the needed excuse to close AZ down and then restart a new company with half the staff. That's what they should do because IMHO that's only a matter of time anyway given what's happening in Italy. Face reality, at LONG LAST, and put an end to AZ (as should have been don...

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by cathay747
Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Thai Airways Airbus A330 chops tail off gulfstream IV
Replies: 31
Views: 9186

Re: Thai Airways Airbus A330 chops tail off gulfstream IV

https://samchui.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Thai-Airways-A330-Chops-Gulfstream-IV-Tail-3-800x368.jpg https://samchui.com/2020/03/10/thai-airways-airbus-a330-chops-tail-off-gulfstream-iv/?fbclid=IwAR1Nv6Z4Gl3sC9EVZNY4jHjE6SUhzWUd9pEwXAHag2tClE1W7qLTd16DFwc#.Xmd0z0Mxk-W That sure appears to be rel...

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by cathay747
Thu Mar 05, 2020 9:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 410
Views: 51112

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020

Someone in the BA 787-10 thread heard a rumor (scuttlebutt) of BA wanting to go 2x daily on PHX, out of curiosity anyone else hear this supposed rumor? BA already was 2x (less than daily) and they split it into 2x daily when AA came online. I have a really hard time believing that there is a need t...

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by cathay747
Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020
Replies: 1728
Views: 238392

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

This was on routesonline this morning...anybody know what this odd operation is about??? Sat/Sun only 11/12JUL and then Fri/Sat only 17/18JUL... American Airlines during mid-July 2020 is offering limited-time service on Washington Reagan – Milwaukee route, on board Republic Airways Embraer E175 airc...

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by cathay747
Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 410
Views: 51112

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020

I did a PHX CLT (2-26-2020) and there was a 767-300 subbed for the 757. Although I was told the 757 went tech. If you were "up front" I'd say lucky you! But if not, I'd rather have had the 757 since they're becoming such a rare breed. My PHX-DFW flight on a AA (LUS) 757 back in Sept. will...

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by cathay747
Tue Mar 03, 2020 4:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020
Replies: 1728
Views: 238392

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

If this has been posted previously my apologies, however............. I stumbled across this interesting addition/change: Startin April 8th a 772 has been added to MIA-LAS with a returning red eye. Runs until April 23. $950 r/t in J too! That makes 2x 788, 1x 772, and 1x 763 into LAS on 4/9. I'm st...

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by cathay747
Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 410
Views: 51112

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020

Has anyone been following the Avatar Airlines attempt to get off the ground? I saw one graphic that showed they would be running 747s between PHX and LAX, LAS and DFW. I know this has been tried in the past with little success. Still they have gone as far to discuss terms with Boeing. What is the o...

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by cathay747
Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 410
Views: 51112

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020

I did a PHX CLT (2-26-2020) and there was a 767-300 subbed for the 757. Although I was told the 757 went tech. If you were "up front" I'd say lucky you! But if not, I'd rather have had the 757 since they're becoming such a rare breed. My PHX-DFW flight on a AA (LUS) 757 back in Sept. will...

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by cathay747
Mon Mar 02, 2020 5:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New AA uniform launches today
Replies: 54
Views: 8499

Re: New AA uniform launches today

I agree, under-whelming, and also agree that what it's replacing in terms of style and colors was much nicer looking.

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by cathay747
Mon Mar 02, 2020 2:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 410
Views: 51112

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020

Looks like we're getting more domestic widebody subbing due to COVID-19; posted today at https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/289993/delta-adds-a330-minneapolis-phoenix-service-in-marchapril-2020/ Delta in March and April 2020 schedules Airbus A330-300 service on Minneapolis/St. Paul – ...

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by cathay747
Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020
Replies: 1728
Views: 238392

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

American's Seattle to Bangalore flight is now available for booking. Inaugural flight is October 25, which is the same day as the inaugural LAX-CHC and DFW-AKL. Depart Seattle 5:55 p.m. arrive Bangalore 10:45 p.m. next day. And... here's the interesting timing. Depart Bangalore 2:05 a.m. arrive Sea...

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by cathay747
Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020
Replies: 1728
Views: 238392

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

American's Seattle to Bangalore flight is now available for booking. Inaugural flight is October 25, which is the same day as the inaugural LAX-CHC and DFW-AKL. Depart Seattle 5:55 p.m. arrive Bangalore 10:45 p.m. next day. And... here's the interesting timing. Depart Bangalore 2:05 a.m. arrive Sea...

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by cathay747
Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020
Replies: 1728
Views: 238392

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

American's Seattle to Bangalore flight is now available for booking. Inaugural flight is October 25, which is the same day as the inaugural LAX-CHC and DFW-AKL. Depart Seattle 5:55 p.m. arrive Bangalore 10:45 p.m. next day. And... here's the interesting timing. Depart Bangalore 2:05 a.m. arrive Sea...

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by cathay747
Fri Feb 28, 2020 6:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020
Replies: 1728
Views: 238392

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

I think you will see some big changes to initial plans if the corona virus continues. I see a huge plunge in air travel and doubt AA would launch a risky route like SEABLR in a major down turn. True, if this whole virus nightmare is still going on by Oct. which is the planned start of the SEA-BLR. ...

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by cathay747
Fri Feb 28, 2020 6:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020
Replies: 1728
Views: 238392

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

I would guess JNB. They are probably waiting to see how the situation at South African Airways pans out. I don't see why they'd need to wait for that hot mess at SAA to pan out. If AA starts South Africa from any hub other-than JFK, they've got a monopoly market; and either PHL, CLT or MIA (the mos...

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by cathay747
Fri Feb 28, 2020 6:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA expand Tulsa maintenance base
Replies: 17
Views: 3983

Re: AA expand Tulsa maintenance base

Good for them (AA) and existing employees (job security, promotions, etc.), and great news for the TUL area!

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by cathay747
Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AF to ditch 1,500 jobs
Replies: 14
Views: 5333

Re: AF to ditch 1,500 jobs

Luckily the French aren’t known for strikes... ow wait You beat me to it!! I was literally waiting for someone to report that "Air France employees went on an immediate three-day strike upon hearing the news. Management quickly withdrew the statement, and announced that no firings will take pl...

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by cathay747
Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020
Replies: 1728
Views: 238392

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

What exactly is Comair in South Africa that I've seen mentioned here? Is it owned by BA? Could it possibly provide any decent feed to AA if they launch South Africa when more 787 arrive? Comair is based in South Africa, part of it’s ops serve as a franchisee of BA in South Africa, operating flights...

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by cathay747
Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: US Domestic Widebody Subs from Suspended China Service
Replies: 58
Views: 12706

Re: US Domestic Widebody Subs from Suspended China Service

Someone else in the now locked thread stated between the US3 this will be the most domestic widebody flying the U.S. has seen in over a decade. You ain't kidding. It's reminding me of seeing 747's flying such "short" sectors as ORD-YYZ, ORD-MIA, etc. back in the 70's!!! Just incredible!

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by cathay747
Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020
Replies: 1728
Views: 238392

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

SIN is sure an interesting idea. But how deep is AS's relationship with SQ? Isn't it just a FF reciprocity and SQ code-sharing on a few AS domestic routes? I'm not sure how deep the current relationship is. I was just thinking that AA probably would want any tickets AS sells XXX-SEA-SIN to be on th...

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by cathay747
Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lufthansa (Eurowings) Announces Frankfurt to Calgary
Replies: 26
Views: 3552

Re: Lufthansa (Eurowings) Announces Frankfurt to Calgary

Definitely reactionary to LOT buying Condor. Could Condor feed this on its own? Agreed, this is for sure LH spitting in DE's eye. And I doubt it, I'll wager DE drops YYC what with AC also on the route, I don't see how they could compete against AC/LH especially given the JV. We're hoping here in PH...

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by cathay747
Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020
Replies: 1728
Views: 238392

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

OK, OK...I stand reproached, and no I'm not a tough guy on the internet or otherwise. My point, maybe not worded very well, is that these forums are littered with "speculation" that in many cases is just ridiculous, which then turns into endless back-and-forth arguments which leads one to...

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by cathay747
Wed Feb 26, 2020 3:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines And Qatar Airways Sign Codeshare Partnership + AA Exploring DOH Flights
Replies: 133
Views: 18954

Re: American Airlines And Qatar Airways Sign Codeshare Partnership + AA Exploring DOH Flights

The AA/BA/AY/IB joint business is US/Canada <---> Europe only. Onward codeshares to India/Africa, etc., are not part of the JB, and AA's new routes to CMN and DOH won't be either. From my understanding neither is TLV. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk The JV encompasses flights between USA/Canada/...

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by cathay747
Wed Feb 26, 2020 3:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines And Qatar Airways Sign Codeshare Partnership + AA Exploring DOH Flights
Replies: 133
Views: 18954

Re: American Airlines And Qatar Airways Sign Codeshare Partnership + AA Exploring DOH Flights

I forgot. Does the TATL JV with BA include US originating flights to Africa/ME or just TATL flights to Europe? …GDS schedules show AA code-sharing on BA flights to NBO, MCT and DEL, so I presume that means it's part of the JV and not just a code-share. The AA/BA/AY/IB joint business is US/Canada <-...

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by cathay747
Wed Feb 26, 2020 3:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air NZ launch Skynest - bunks for economy
Replies: 39
Views: 7047

Re: Air NZ launch Skynest - bunks for economy

Gotta hand it to NZ for thinking outside the box and being innovative. They're quite incredible IMHO. I think there'd be plenty of people willing to pay for this on long-hauls, especially those which are longer than 8hrs., certainly for ULH like their upcoming AKL-EWR!

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by cathay747
Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020
Replies: 1728
Views: 238392

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

OK, OK...I stand reproached, and no I'm not a tough guy on the internet or otherwise. My point, maybe not worded very well, is that these forums are littered with "speculation" that in many cases is just ridiculous, which then turns into endless back-and-forth arguments which leads one to ...

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by cathay747
Wed Feb 26, 2020 1:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020
Replies: 1728
Views: 238392

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

So with the new found out of the box route partnerships and planning by Vasu Raja whats the next completely out of left field for AA? Not the usual route holes but like the recent news most of us would never have speculated on SEA-BLR? Anyone have some creative WAGs? Who knows? My crystal ball is a...

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by cathay747
Tue Feb 25, 2020 10:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020
Replies: 2950
Views: 532435

Re: UAL sending 77W from SFO -> GUM today

Here is the FLIFO from GDS...gotta be MX as stated above since this shows it's a ferry... ** UA - UNITED AIRLINES ** 2747/25FEB P SFO/OUT 1115A L00.25 EST OFF 1145AFLIGHT PREPARATION P SFO/OFF 1142A P GUM/ETA 514P L00.14 FLIGHT PREPARATION D FCF/FERRY FLIGHT NO REVENUE CUSTOMERS SKED SFO ORIG 1050A ...

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by cathay747
Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines And Qatar Airways Sign Codeshare Partnership + AA Exploring DOH Flights
Replies: 133
Views: 18954

Re: American Airlines And Qatar Airways Sign Codeshare Partnership + AA Exploring DOH Flights

QR should try LAX as AA has a mini hub, while AA should start from Charlotte, hoping for the massive connections at the Doha end. I doubt a second DFW service would have enough loads/yields. QR already has service to LAX and as for AA starting CTL service Raja was quoted in the Forbes article stati...

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by cathay747
Tue Feb 25, 2020 3:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Concorde: why no LHR-BOS service?
Replies: 35
Views: 7144

Re: Concorde: why no LHR-BOS service?

I once heard a BA manager in the US comment that their Concorde service at JFK and IAD were its "bread and butter" routes. That was because of its major clienteles; Wall Street types and State Department people who needed fast travel times to meet counterparts. Any VIPs who used it were j...

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by cathay747
Tue Feb 25, 2020 3:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines And Qatar Airways Sign Codeshare Partnership + AA Exploring DOH Flights
Replies: 133
Views: 18954

Re: American Airlines And Qatar Airways Sign Codeshare Partnership + AA Exploring DOH Flights

Does anyone have the bilateral air transport agreements between Qatar and US? Is QR at their max flights to the US? It is OpenSkies, there is no limit. AA can never match QR's service quality. The best option for AA is to let QR start more routes and AA to provide last-mile connectivity and collect...

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by cathay747
Tue Feb 25, 2020 3:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines And Qatar Airways Sign Codeshare Partnership + AA Exploring DOH Flights
Replies: 133
Views: 18954

Re: American Airlines And Qatar Airways Sign Codeshare Partnership + AA Exploring DOH Flights

I forgot. Does the TATL JV with BA include US originating flights to Africa/ME or just TATL flights to Europe? Will this also lead to an AA codeshare with Indigo? I would rather see AA follow BA's lead and partner with Vistara. Yes it does, India too...GDS schedules show AA code-sharing on BA fligh...

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by cathay747
Tue Feb 25, 2020 2:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 410
Views: 51112

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020

Any performance restrictions expected with the PHX heat in the summer and the 777? The GE90-115B is the most powerful turbofan engine in the world — it should be just fine on an 11,000ft runway! Yeah, the 77W is a beast. Even with our oven like summer temps, the 77W should have plenty of performanc...

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by cathay747
Tue Feb 25, 2020 2:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 410
Views: 51112

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020

Just updated today on Routes Online regarding BA equip. here at PHX: London Heathrow – Phoenix 777-300ER replaces 747-400 during following period: 25APR20 – 22JUN20, 30JUN20 – 04JUL20, 09JUL20 – 24AUG20, 17OCT20 – 24OCT20 (Additional dates now scheduled with 777 instead of 747, previously not repor...

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by cathay747
Tue Feb 25, 2020 2:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines And Qatar Airways Sign Codeshare Partnership + AA Exploring DOH Flights
Replies: 133
Views: 18954

Re: American Airlines And Qatar Airways Sign Codeshare Partnership + AA Exploring DOH Flights

Could we see DOH - SEA or SFO happen now? SEA possibly......SFO, probably not. But also, I wonder if CLT would come on board. that is the remaining AA hub that is currently not connected with DOH. You forgot PHX, but that ain't gonna happen as much as we here in PHX would love it! Too bad QR alread...

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by cathay747
Sat Feb 22, 2020 2:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 410
Views: 51112

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020

Just updated today on Routes Online regarding BA equip. here at PHX: London Heathrow – Phoenix 777-300ER replaces 747-400 during following period: 25APR20 – 22JUN20, 30JUN20 – 04JUL20, 09JUL20 – 24AUG20, 17OCT20 – 24OCT20 (Additional dates now scheduled with 777 instead of 747, previously not report...

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by cathay747
Sat Feb 22, 2020 2:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 410
Views: 51112

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020

Will the new tower coincide with Gateway moving from contract controllers to FAA controllers? The amount of growth in the past 10 years has been astounding. To my knowledge, no process exists to convert a FCT to FAA, and it has never been done before. Certainly if ever there was a case for it, IWA ...

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by cathay747
Fri Feb 21, 2020 5:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qatar in PHX
Replies: 15
Views: 5039

Re: Qatar in PHX

^The Saudi and other national royal families went to/go to the Cleveland Clinic, not the Mayo Clinic. Not sure if it’s still the case but there was a case a few years back where a Saudi national was routinely in PHX for cancer treatment. Ask most people in medicine and they’ll tell you that the PHX...

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by cathay747
Fri Feb 21, 2020 5:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 410
Views: 51112

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020

AA isn't dehubbing shit. Enough with this nonsense. THANK YOU for speaking the unvarnished truth!! LOL It makes zero sense. The economy is booming, the PHX area is gaining 90k+ new residents every year, KPHX has had steady gains in passenger growth the past few years, AA itself has made several key...

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by cathay747
Fri Feb 21, 2020 2:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qatar in PHX
Replies: 15
Views: 5039

Re: Qatar in PHX

Besides the horse show, they probably (whomever "they" are, presumably it's several members of the royal family) are also paying a visit to Mayo Clinic like the Saudi's do...or at least used to.

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by cathay747
Fri Feb 21, 2020 2:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 410
Views: 51112

Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020

PhilMcCrackin wrote:
AA isn't dehubbing shit. Enough with this nonsense.


THANK YOU for speaking the unvarnished truth!! LOL

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by cathay747
Fri Feb 21, 2020 1:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Hawaiian most punctual airline - recipe?
Replies: 52
Views: 5698

Re: Hawaiian most punctual airline - recipe?

So now that AA does not have MD-80s, their on time performance should improve, right? I'm assuming that this is a joke on Hawaiian airline's 717s? Incidentally, I don't know if this is factually accurate, but from what I've read/understand that the 717 is core to HA's fleet strategy. There is nothi...

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by cathay747
Fri Feb 21, 2020 1:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Hawaiian most punctual airline - recipe?
Replies: 52
Views: 5698

Re: Hawaiian most punctual airline - recipe?

Their A14 into PHX is below the airport average. Their D14 is above average, but that's because the plane RONs. In fact, the fact that they are only at 91% D14 when they are departing from RON is actually pretty bad. There's practically zero variables that should be driving a delayed push for them....

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by cathay747
Thu Feb 20, 2020 8:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Hawaiian most punctual airline - recipe?
Replies: 52
Views: 5698

Re: Hawaiian most punctual airline - recipe?

Uh, maybe because 99% of their flights (exaggerating to make a point) start and finish in Hawaii? This isn't rocket science. And the ones that don't tend to be long stage lengths with fairly long ground times, which helps prevent cascading delays. This is a good point. Almost all HA's mainland ops ...

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