Nah SLC has so much going for it. Remember this is the hub that delta said made money during the last financial crisis and was stable and reliable in a time they needed it. It's super reliable, they can just survive with less temporarily to get their new home sooner. Delta can offer lots of connect...Jump to post
No delta hub will be operating at 2019 numbers in 2021 anyway. They are retiring planes.
They don't need as much space short term and with SLC weather stands for CR2s even CR7s is fine, and thats really all the E concourse was anyway . They could make this work.
Nah SLC has so much going for it. Remember this is the hub that delta said made money during the last financial crisis and was stable and reliable in a time they needed it. It's super reliable, they can just survive with less temporarily to get their new home sooner. Delta can offer lots of connecti...Jump to post
If the airport really thought Delta was gonna leave they would do the opposite of this plan. I bet you delta is gonna pay them alot less short term and that's part of the deal. Delta put in alot of their own personal money for add ons and made the contract longer for SLC. They need SLC more than eve...Jump to post
Gas being so cheap will make people really want to drive for summer vacations instead of flying.Jump to post
Of all airports I think Denver makes sense to move forward. It's America's best and easiest connection airport in a perfect location. International will shrink but Domestically the airport will be more important than ever for connections post pandemic. High growth, prefect location. That city will b...Jump to post
You can't have in person activities with social distancing and mask wearing. At some point it's going to be either a Global Economic Depression something that far surpasses what the 1930s were like or these measures. Estimates are there are 1 million children world wide in starvation mode because o...Jump to post
It seems more relevant than ever? Planes will get more full as the number of parked and retired planes is so high. When is just the question but there will be a time when you have to pay for space again. MINT seems like a huge winner. If I had to fly Transcon it would only be in mint or something wi...Jump to post
Sounds insane at first but if you offer none of the luxury amenities and it's really just the seat at say random number 700 each way I bet you there is demand between some large cities like nyc-lax. Sounds crazy but in a weird way I could see it working as the luxury items like expensive wine and fo...Jump to post
Everyone is guessing. The only think we know is business travel can't come back short term as most companies have 2020 or more blocked. Leisure travel that is much more debatable and we are all guessing. The average person doesn't seem interested in stepping on a plane but does want to get out and t...Jump to post
I do think a place like Disney will get visitors but it's gonna be people who can drive there or RVers etc etc. You are not gonna see the 747s coming in packed from the UK or JetBlue operating like 30 packed flights from the northeast etc etc. A reason why Vegas is so worried they see the lack of ai...Jump to post
The crowds I see at Universal citywalk and various central Florida downtowns disagree. Sure it will take time to ramp back up, but we are not going backwards again with these silly kabuki theater "lock downs". Those are all local people right now pretty much all the hotels in Orlando are ...Jump to post
For people who say this is a "short term" problem and they shouldnt do layoffs. Let's say traffic amazingly rebounds next spring (less than a year) that's the shortest term anyone could consider . The airlines won't be "back to normal" and can't support the staff levels they have...Jump to post
Things will bounce back eventually. I know they want to stop the bleeding, but this seems like overkill for a short term issue. Were they bloated and needed to shrink before and the downturn is a convenient excuse? Eventually yes. I wouldn't say this is a short term problem. We won't see business t...Jump to post
Thanks for posting the videos! Rare flights for commercial airline.
Not sure if you noticed but the one says departing Eagle for Montrose in the title and its def looks like ASE not EGE.
Definitely believe those were some bumpy flights over the mountains.
Yeah those mountains alot of work for such a short flight. They will still fly pretty high. What a crazy opportunity to fly between those airports. I am not flying right now but wow! I would totally be on this in any other time.Jump to post
If DL plays their cards right, they can really come out as the carrier with the most efficient fleet by the end of the decade. Boeing is dying for orders. DL might press Boeing into a killer deal Hard to see a killer deal going down in 2020 for new planes by a US carrier. Politicians would run an i...Jump to post
It would probably save alot of money for Delta to serve LAX-HNL-SYD when that returns. I don't think JNB is returning for a very long time. Do you think Delta would consider ATL-SJU-JNB that would shave 1,550 miles off the trip. That should be doable with a A350 if they did a stop. Business travel w...Jump to post
I see the world being a whole lot less global in the next few years ahead. At least the US has a robust domestic network that will be needed to pull its weight. It is going to be a mess out of this from closed borders, decimated global tourism, health & safety protocol, and decimated economies....Jump to post
This cannot be surprising to anyone. International travel is dead for a while :( Companies will not make their employees fly and those routes need business travel. Very easy but really inevitable. I wonder if delta would consider an all cargo fleet of 777s to serve these cities once a week? Delta ha...Jump to post
I would say WN can save some money too by expanding. They can consolidate into lax and sna and close lgb. Long beach has a cost to keep a whole station going. No WN routes have really hit it out of the park in long Beach. The southwest customer is so use to lax and sna long beach is just flying to c...Jump to post
also easier then combing thru an official report, wiki is often pretty up to date on fleets! We are in a weird time coming up with things changing so fast. As delta becomes smaller expect less plane types. but this is a good pretty accurate and fast way to see! delta mainline: https://en.wikipedia.o...Jump to post
I think.... delta is down to only EMB 170 and 175 for Embraer models. AA and UA had 145s flying by partners. Yeah it's a very challenging environment so I think we will need to see some smaller aircraft you are correct on that. Delta maybe just want less plane types so all CRJ might make sense for s...Jump to post
Reality is they are all going to have layoffs for October 1(unless the feds extend). They retired too many planes for current staff levels and things are not picking up fast enough. They will need to save cash and will have to trim payrolls once the federal money ends. It's a 6 of one, half dozen th...Jump to post
Why merge when you can just shop for assets at a Ch.11 fire sale? Why would you want additional assets with load factors low and slots freely available? Merging only makes things worse, as you now have even more capacity and assets. Imho likely to go are: - Sun Country - Allegiant - Hawaiian - Spir...Jump to post
Just for clarity: Delta is still running 1x a day LGB-SLC via SKW. So I'm assuming we're all referencing the return of mainline DAL A319 SLC-LGB? (and the once-rumored ATL service)? For clarity sky west is running right now for delta to SLC ie today you are correct. Tomorrow is the last day. Delta ...Jump to post
I forget airlines never do anything wrong crowd is out . They are not following their own safety guidelines United is flying tons of empty flights everyday. Surely they could have swapped something here to a larger plane to offer more spacing in these times. Or called the people to offer a different...Jump to post
We have all seen the two AA flights where flights got cancelled and two flights were packed. Now it appears UA an a ewr-sfo flight (according to the article) on a 737 packed including middle seats. https://www.foxnews.com/travel/doctor-flying-united-airlines-packed-flight-photo-passengers-scared Thi...Jump to post
Look at how dire a situation this is. AA isn't going want to add anything. They retired so many planes it's unlikely all that they had will even return. I still think AA is committed to NYC but purely for o&d. Smaller than 2019 operation is coming. AA probably doesn't need to worry on slots for ...Jump to post
If they took cared money then they are not allowed to suspend PWM. They must provide between 1 and 5 weekly frequencies to any destination based on what was previously in the schedule, so mnay airlines are doing tag on routes Nonstop PWM-MCO service resumes May 21. Tuesday/Thursday/Sunday. F9 flew ...Jump to post
I will wonder out loud just how durable that relationship is going to be now that DL has dumped its Gol stake and acquired 49% of AM. It is the same as VS. DL owns 49% of VS, but VS still partners with SQ, NZ, NH and Air China, all from Star Alliance. So? Alaska still partners with Korean Air and L...Jump to post
Yeah I just saw that long beach suspended till at least September for all delta flights! The words at least was used. Summer high season is gone. I can't see them doing anything but SLC turns for connections when they come back either expect 2x daily. This fall and winter maybe into 2021. Long Beach...Jump to post
Anyone have a seatmap of what their 767s look like? Interested to see the seats and setup.Jump to post
I actually think some starups like Moxy have good timing. The legacies are too focused on plugging the cash hole burn to worry.
The issue here is less than daily and those flight times are terrible both directions. Anyone know what the insides of the 767s look like? Ptv,meals,business class?
Less than daily , I'm not sure thats gonna work out In that market. Additionally the time seems crazy. Who wants to land at 150am in San? Leave San it's the opposite 640am have to wakeup at 4 am to make it and the day is still shot. No thanks not with those times and less than daily no options when ...Jump to post
They are doing alot of these odd routes to keep serving the cities as required for federal funding. They are required to serve the cities but can change routing. We have seen spirit doing florida-niagra-pkattsburgh-florida for triangle routes. JetBlue was doing long beach-Slc-bozeman. My guess would...Jump to post
The airlines need to be very cash sensitive right now. Advertising is really only really needed(if at all) once people feel comfortable to travel. I think the destinations and hotels will be all over this in time so the airlines can save their cash. Right now the average person watching won't even c...Jump to post
Doesn't long beach set its own rules? Couldnt they have set the airport with no landings after a certain time? Instead they set the rules that after a certain time you can land but pay a fee. JetBlue has paid the fees when late. BOS and JFK are just so delay prone it's not like the west coast with w...Jump to post
Delta has hardly begun to adjust their June schedule, I'm sure a lot more will be cut, probably by next weeks thread. They will have more and already put some in other weeks. Cancellations trigger refunds and delta is trying to watch it's cash. They are selling alot of very high Interest bonds. Tha...Jump to post
DL has a lot of aircraft on the move this week to the desert: MZJ Sun 5/3 - 2x 752 Mon 5/4 - 4x 739, 4x 321, 1x 752 Tue 5/5 - 4x 739, 4x 321, 1x 752 Wed 5/6 - 2x 321, 9x 752, 2x 753 Thu 5/7 - 4x 739, 5x 321 Total: 12 739 15 321 13 752 2 753 42 additional aircraft Last week had 4 MD88 and 5 MD90 go ...Jump to post
Yes, I too have heard dead heading is happening at insane frequencies domestically. Some seem to get them on every trip now. Has to be adding something to flights looking full. Some flight attendants have said they would do literally a few In a whole year now they can have two in a day. Some airline...Jump to post
All airlines will follow and much more coming. Alot don't want to issue cancellations because that floods their refund department and kills their cash. No one wants to get on a plane, all of 2020 until holiday Thanksgiving I think is lost. Business can't and won't do business travel and that is alot...Jump to post
Southwest seems to be flying the most aircraft today, more than twice as many as DL and UA. At one point today, on a Sunday Afternoon, Republic had 19 planes in the air. Out of a fleet of 220-ish. Would love to know their LF’s...are they the smartest kid in the class or the dumbest? I don't think i...Jump to post
Love the titles of these threads. Can't wait to see what next week's is. Thanks for your hard work making these This really is the new norm , don't expect to see July be any different , we will get more massive cuts coming. Hope (fingers crossed) August is better but I know international won't be, ...Jump to post
Love the titles of these threads. Can't wait to see what next week's is. Thanks for your hard work making these This really is the new norm , don't expect to see July be any different , we will get more massive cuts coming. Hope (fingers crossed) August is better but I know international won't be, d...Jump to post
Stores will remain in malls. Covid 19 won't last forever. Whenever air travel picks back up lots of things will change masks, gloves and spacing might be the new normal but people will always forget stuff and have time to kill in airports. The stores will need to adjust and maybe a limited number of...Jump to post