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by Cubsrule
Mon Sep 28, 2020 1:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WN could cut service to some cities without additional COVID-19 aid
Replies: 56
Views: 7451

Re: WN could cut service to some cities without additional COVID-19 aid

Do you believe that SWA doesn’t have brand loyalty and that concept is overstated on this site? I’m not saying I have polled the Hawaiian population. Just my circle of friends and their friends have conveyed they will patronize Hawaiian Airlines when possible. Many have family connections to the ai...

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by Cubsrule
Sun Sep 27, 2020 7:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WN could cut service to some cities without additional COVID-19 aid
Replies: 56
Views: 7451

Re: WN could cut service to some cities without additional COVID-19 aid

SW is cornered a bit with their Hawaii flying because of the times they operate. Relying heavily on west coast feed is not ideal. With the COVID restrictions in the west coast states and serving a highly covid restricted state in HI it can’t be good for them in the market. The locals that I know sa...

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by Cubsrule
Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:16 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WN could cut service to some cities without additional COVID-19 aid
Replies: 56
Views: 7451

Re: WN could cut service to some cities without additional COVID-19 aid

The inter island market is was only a 1 and 1/2 airline market before the pandemic. No saying what it is now-loads are pretty bad.....If u do not have a permanent base in HNl and are rotating planes in from the mainland I don't know what u see in the market???? What’s the problem with rotating plan...

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by Cubsrule
Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta announced to phase out 717, 763 & CRJ200.
Replies: 217
Views: 23468

Re: Delta announced to phase out 717, 763 & CRJ200.

And the 321LR certainly can not do ATL to central Europe either. The XLR might. And remember how the A330 initially was a TATL aircraft with an endurance of 8-10 hours and now it can do over 15? Remember how the A320 was designed to be able to do a US transcon and now can do TATL? Airbus is famous ...

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by Cubsrule
Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:38 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: If you fly a certain route more than 5 times a year, would you be more likely to fly a low cost or a legacy airline?
Replies: 36
Views: 993

Re: If you fly a certain route more than 5 times a year, would you be more likely to fly a low cost or a legacy airline?

I'd hazard a guess that anyone who says LCC on this thread has never actually faced this situation or is doing so on <2 hour flights. I don't agree with that, I just don't value the same things you value. As I have said before, I frequently flew London (Luton or Stansted) to Budapest. That's over 2...

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by Cubsrule
Sat Sep 26, 2020 4:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta announced to phase out 717, 763 & CRJ200.
Replies: 217
Views: 23468

Re: Delta announced to phase out 717, 763 & CRJ200.

This, I thought was interesting If we go with the thesis that OO is keeping some CRJs and that the OO-operated flying will remain, we can in some sense remove most upper midwest stations (which, with a couple of exceptions, are OO-operated EAS) and the stations served ex-SLC from that list. That le...

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by Cubsrule
Sat Sep 26, 2020 3:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta announced to phase out 717, 763 & CRJ200.
Replies: 217
Views: 23468

Re: Delta announced to phase out 717, 763 & CRJ200.

My question is what current aircraft in production can replace the 767. This probably means an end to secondary city TATL flying like IND, MCO, TPA and maybe RDU as anything bigger than a 767 is just to big. What does this mean for routes like ATL-BRU, ZRH and DUS. Does this mean more double connec...

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by Cubsrule
Sat Sep 26, 2020 3:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WN could cut service to some cities without additional COVID-19 aid
Replies: 56
Views: 7451

Re: WN could cut service to some cities without additional COVID-19 aid

They’ve been flying empty planes to Hawaii for months? And only NOW do they think maybe it wasn’t such a good idea? SMH They haven’t said anything about it. This is just speculation. And flying “empty” planes to Hawaii (they’re not the only ones) is out of necessity to rotate aircraft and crews to ...

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by Cubsrule
Sat Sep 26, 2020 3:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta announced to phase out 717, 763 & CRJ200.
Replies: 217
Views: 23468

Re: Delta announced to phase out 717, 763 & CRJ200.

Considering the state of Boeing, and the abundance of missed opportunities to launch a new aircraft, I fully expect DL to buy the A321XLR in the not so distant future to replace the 752s. I cant see any MAX orders for DL either. The A220-300 is going to be a fantastic airframe for DL, and if Airbus...

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by Cubsrule
Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:24 pm
Forum: Site Related
Topic: 2021 - Consistency of airline threads?
Replies: 9
Views: 364

Re: 2021 - Consistency of airline threads?

That said, if it's not something we're able to remedy that way, then maybe it's a better practice to simply lock the speculation thread and split the post-confirmation posts to a new thread, then we'll include a link in the speculation thread to reference the confirmed thread. It would be somewhat ...

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by Cubsrule
Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:21 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Refunds and compensations - is it really all manual?
Replies: 3
Views: 394

Re: Refunds and compensations - is it really all manual?

Insurance companies have claims departments, manufacturing companies have warranty departments, and retail/service companies have refund departments. All three have some things in common. Specifically, it's best for the company if these departments send out as little money as possible and send it o...

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by Cubsrule
Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WN could cut service to some cities without additional COVID-19 aid
Replies: 56
Views: 7451

Re: WN could cut service to some cities without additional COVID-19 aid

Is there any substance to this rumour or just rank speculation from a (not very reliable) clickbait site? The small Texas stations have underperformed compared to the rest of the network for years if not decades.

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by Cubsrule
Fri Sep 25, 2020 12:37 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Electronics devices passing 10,000ft
Replies: 8
Views: 996

Re: Electronics devices passing 10,000ft

Definitely MSL in and out of DEN, SLC, and other nearby airports. It comes noticeably closer to the ground than in the rest of the US.

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by Cubsrule
Fri Sep 25, 2020 12:22 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chattanooga KCHA recent daily flights from charter cargo operators
Replies: 10
Views: 1508

Re: Chattanooga KCHA recent daily flights from charter cargo operators

I’ve noticed this at BHM, TCL, ANB, and ASN as of late. I’ve seen Everts Air, Aeronaves TSM, USA Jet, Kalitta II, Ameristar, Berry Aviation, you name it, quite often at these airports within the last two weeks. Lots of automobile plants in the area ( Mercedes near Tuscaloosa and Honda near Lincoln ...

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by Cubsrule
Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:32 pm
Forum: Site Related
Topic: 2021 - Consistency of airline threads?
Replies: 9
Views: 364

Re: 2021 - Consistency of airline threads?

Let me start by thanking the Moderators who keep the site on track and functioning. It’s not easy with a very passionate group of contributors. While we have 12 weeks til the start of the New Year and the start of 2021 threads, I would like to start a discussion on the organization of airline threa...

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by Cubsrule
Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:09 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Going out of your way to fly a special type
Replies: 48
Views: 1907

Re: Going out of your way to fly a special type

My experience has been that most of my interesting aircraft have been serendipitous. My first 744 ride was an operational upgrade from a 772 to clear out passengers from a cancelled UA flight SFO-ORD. I’ve had at least one ER3 flight on IAH-BNA that was an equipment swap. Perhaps most interestingly,...

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by Cubsrule
Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:58 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Airliners that don't have engines under wing and don't possess immediate hazard to surroundings
Replies: 10
Views: 1570

Re: Airliners that don't have engines under wing and don't possess immediate hazard to surroundings

The only aircraft I know that can let the engine run at the gate is the ATR in "hotel mode", i. e. the prop is stopped but the turbine keeps running to provide electricity, A/C and hydraulics (like an APU). It's very loud, though, not particularly pleasant during boarding. I was on an Enc...

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by Cubsrule
Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:19 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: New York - London air bridge, how likely before Christmas?
Replies: 4
Views: 969

Re: New York - London air bridge, how likely before Christmas?

I would be surprised if any air bridge was feasible this year, Atlantic, Tasman, whatever. Maybe next spring, with the caveat of you need to prove you were vaccinated for COVID-19 (possibly two doses). I could see countries that largely depend on tourism going first. Despite their economic and cult...

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by Cubsrule
Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:04 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Airliners that don't have engines under wing and don't possess immediate hazard to surroundings
Replies: 10
Views: 1570

Re: Airliners that don't have engines under wing and don't possess immediate hazard to surroundings

The only aircraft I know that can let the engine run at the gate is the ATR in "hotel mode", i. e. the prop is stopped but the turbine keeps running to provide electricity, A/C and hydraulics (like an APU). It's very loud, though, not particularly pleasant during boarding. I was on an Enc...

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by Cubsrule
Fri Sep 18, 2020 11:38 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest grounds 130 Boeing jets due to "weight data discrepancies"
Replies: 59
Views: 13390

Re: Southwest grounds 130 Boeing jets due to "weight data discrepancies"

Again? WN plays like a broken record lately. Is anyone in charge in their M&E department? Such a simple thing...hell, they check the weight of the f'ing peanuts in the galleys for god's sake. If a vendor of equipment incorrectly reports the weight of that equipment, and then later notifies WN, ...

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by Cubsrule
Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: First Jetblue 321NEO LR spotted
Replies: 93
Views: 19631

Re: First Jetblue 321NEO LR spotted

LesQuatreGats wrote:
ETOPS 180 is necessary for Hawaii. Jetblue will not receive ETOPS 180 immediately. First 120 then 180.


I may be misremembering, but I don’t think WN ever had 120. They went straight from no ETOPS to 180.

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by Cubsrule
Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:39 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus MOB and Hurricane Sally
Replies: 2
Views: 901

Re: Airbus MOB and Hurricane Sally

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AIB ... /KBFM/KMQY
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They have evacuated at least one aircraft, an NK frame that I understand is currently F- registered..

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AIB ... /KBFM/KMQY

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by Cubsrule
Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: JSX Getting Kicked Out of SNA, Effective Jan 1 2021
Replies: 134
Views: 17472

Re: JSX Getting Kicked Out of SNA, Effective Jan 1 2021

Does SNA really not benefit from these flights?.. Jet Suite Probably doesn't make that much for SNA that they would make special rules for them that they can't make for anybody else. They're an Air carrier and whether they're Part 135, Part 121 supplemental or Part 121 Domestic doesn't matter. What...

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by Cubsrule
Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: JSX Getting Kicked Out of SNA, Effective Jan 1 2021
Replies: 134
Views: 17472

Re: JSX Getting Kicked Out of SNA, Effective Jan 1 2021

The issue here is they are not a small operation that can 'fly under the radar' so to speak, but have grown to quite a meaningful scheduled operation and don't really merit FBO waiver from 2018 any longer in my view. :checkmark: When they carry passenger counts which are likely comparable to smalle...

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by Cubsrule
Sun Sep 13, 2020 3:06 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: WN Kelly seems to think change fee elimination won't help the legacy carriers
Replies: 77
Views: 8587

Re: WN Kelly seems to think change fee elimination won't help the legacy carriers

SW isn’t a low fare carrier but they have brilliant marketing and you think they are a low fare carrier. Laughable. SW is government owned and mostly flies intra-Africa. But as for WN, I don’t understand your point. Did average fares on CHI-CVG go down by magic when WN entered? Why are fares on MKE...

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by Cubsrule
Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:02 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: WN Kelly seems to think change fee elimination won't help the legacy carriers
Replies: 77
Views: 8587

Re: WN Kelly seems to think change fee elimination won't help the legacy carriers

SW isn’t a low fare carrier but they have brilliant marketing and you think they are a low fare carrier. Laughable. SW is government owned and mostly flies intra-Africa. But as for WN, I don’t understand your point. Did average fares on CHI-CVG go down by magic when WN entered? Why are fares on MKE...

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by Cubsrule
Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:52 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Jetstar voucher instead of refund for foreigners
Replies: 10
Views: 748

Re: Jetstar voucher instead of refund for foreigners

[ I don’t understand the advice here. It doesn’t sound like Jetstar has violated any law or regulation. Am I missing something? Thta's the concern I raised in my inintial response. The most likely situation in March is that JetStar will be flying but international borders will effectively be closed...

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by Cubsrule
Sat Sep 12, 2020 8:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 2020 NFL Charters
Replies: 88
Views: 12003

Re: 2020 NFL Charters

I don’t get too worked up over numbers of accidents. The numbers - even for a carrier like Eastern or Biscayne - are so low that they aren’t terribly meaningful. Tell that to Sean Archuleta's family. See if they feel the same way about the need for merciless pilot vetting. Like what Sean had to go ...

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by Cubsrule
Sat Sep 12, 2020 8:02 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Jetstar voucher instead of refund for foreigners
Replies: 10
Views: 748

Re: Jetstar voucher instead of refund for foreigners

Was supposed to go to Australia in March and booked a domestic flight on Jetstar Had to cancel due to Covid and at the time they only offered me a voucher expiring March 2021 I live in Canada, due to continued restrictions in both countries I highly doubt I will be able to travel to Australia befor...

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by Cubsrule
Sat Sep 12, 2020 7:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 2020 NFL Charters
Replies: 88
Views: 12003

Re: 2020 NFL Charters

Sometimes people have to learn the hard way. Wasn't that an Eastern 737 that ran off the runway at LGA on a presidential or vice-presidential campaign-plane charter, due largely to pilot issues? How likely would it be that a Delta or United or American pilot made that error? Could have, but the pil...

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by Cubsrule
Sat Sep 12, 2020 7:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 2020 NFL Charters
Replies: 88
Views: 12003

Re: 2020 NFL Charters

Sometimes people have to learn the hard way. Wasn't that an Eastern 737 that ran off the runway at LGA on a presidential or vice-presidential campaign-plane charter, due largely to pilot issues? How likely would it be that a Delta or United or American pilot made that error? Could have, but the pil...

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by Cubsrule
Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:34 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: WN Kelly seems to think change fee elimination won't help the legacy carriers
Replies: 77
Views: 8587

Re: WN Kelly seems to think change fee elimination won't help the legacy carriers

Can someone explain how flexible fares make sense? They’re fully refundable. The others aren’t. Yes, but how do they make sense, if they are 2.8x more than a non flexible fare? I’m not sure if you realize, but it’s cheaper to just buy the non flexible ticket and then in the event that plans change,...

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by Cubsrule
Sat Sep 12, 2020 2:35 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: WN Kelly seems to think change fee elimination won't help the legacy carriers
Replies: 77
Views: 8587

Re: WN Kelly seems to think change fee elimination won't help the legacy carriers

Can someone explain how flexible fares make sense? They’re fully refundable. The others aren’t. Yup. And to answer the other part of the question, it’s not that uncommon on AA for first to be cheaper than coach in expensive/flexible fare buckets and/or in expensive markets (like smaller cities in T...

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by Cubsrule
Fri Sep 11, 2020 1:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Pt2: Southwest CEO Kelly, "If things don't improve, this cannot continue"
Replies: 114
Views: 13268

Re: Pt2: SouthWest CEO Kelly, "If things don't improve, this cannot continue"

I agree projecting the State of the industry past Spring of 2021 isn't possible. What is possible is that I agree the industry cannot continue on the current status quo. Fixed costs, employment, and for airlines other than Southwest, the debt. So sticking to aviation, how do we fix the problem? Is ...

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by Cubsrule
Fri Sep 11, 2020 11:08 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest CEO Kelly - If Things Don’t Improve, This Just Can’t Continue”
Replies: 69
Views: 13938

Re: Southwest CEO Kelly - If Things Don’t Improve, This Just Can’t Continue”

I have some exposure to 135 operations. They are looking for aircraft to add, and hiring, although as the weeks pass, they can afford to be more selective. The two local companies I know of both say they can sell every block hour they can put on the line right now, for almost a year out or more. Ne...

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by Cubsrule
Fri Sep 11, 2020 12:56 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest CEO Kelly - If Things Don’t Improve, This Just Can’t Continue”
Replies: 69
Views: 13938

Re: Southwest CEO Kelly - If Things Don’t Improve, This Just Can’t Continue”

Here’s Textron’s answer to Gary, https://twitter.com/textronaviation/status/1291369966915248130?s=21 Yep... Been saying for MONTHS that this is where the high yielding traveler is heading, for the next several years at least. And there is PLENTY of anecdotal to back that up. Those who can afford no...

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by Cubsrule
Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: When will SGU-LAX/DFW resume?
Replies: 17
Views: 2344

Re: When will SGU-LAX/DFW resume?

What good does a flight to SLC on DL or LAS on G4 do for AA? While I don't doubt that SGU leaks traffic to LAS, it is still 2 hours away. The idea that AA can't compete with G4 on flights that might not even be daily or year round to a destination that is 2 hours away doesn't seem right. What strat...

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by Cubsrule
Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: When will SGU-LAX/DFW resume?
Replies: 17
Views: 2344

Re: When will SGU-LAX/DFW resume?

What? DFW would open up lots of smaller stations in AA’s network to SGU, many of which don’t have a PHX flight. DFW opens up stations that are too small to have either PHX/SLC service or LAS nonstops (i.e. too small for Allegiant). So we’re talking about the likes of LEX and AVL. Total demand from ...

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by Cubsrule
Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:43 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: JZA8615 TSB report released
Replies: 47
Views: 6268

Re: JZA8615 TSB report released

Many cars now have automatic braking systems available. How difficult would it be to equip fuel trucks and other airport vehicles with similar systems to prevent future collisions? I'm not aware of a commercially available AEB system that would have prevented this accident in view of the likely wei...

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by Cubsrule
Mon Sep 07, 2020 10:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Issues with 737 MAX Rebranding?
Replies: 67
Views: 8832

Re: Issues with 737 MAX Rebranding?

Well, an already marginally comfortable aircraft (-800) is being made less comfortable by everyone putting it (-8) into service. So I would say, the difference is worse. Aren’t you speaking of configuration, though? For carriers like UA or WN who had large 737 fleets, configured the MAX close to ho...

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by Cubsrule
Mon Sep 07, 2020 10:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: When will SGU-LAX/DFW resume?
Replies: 17
Views: 2344

Re: When will SGU-LAX/DFW resume?

It seems like the likelihood of any of this flying returning depends on what OO’s post-pandemic footprint looks like. If OO has enough flying at LAX or DFW that the flights make operational sense, they’ll come back. But there’s zero business case for these flights aside from OO’s operational needs....

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by Cubsrule
Mon Sep 07, 2020 7:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: When will SGU-LAX/DFW resume?
Replies: 17
Views: 2344

Re: When will SGU-LAX/DFW resume?

It seems like the likelihood of any of this flying returning depends on what OO’s post-pandemic footprint looks like. If OO has enough flying at LAX or DFW that the flights make operational sense, they’ll come back. But there’s zero business case for these flights aside from OO’s operational needs. ...

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by Cubsrule
Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:07 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Issues with 737 MAX Rebranding?
Replies: 67
Views: 8832

Re: Issues with 737 MAX Rebranding?

What is really different in the passenger experience from an -800 and a -8? 99,999% of the customers have no idea what kind of plane they are on and the 737 is the same inside from almost every perspective. The difference is in economics if the fix works and the plane is certified to fly. It’s the ...

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by Cubsrule
Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: JZA8615 TSB report released
Replies: 47
Views: 6268

Re: JZA8615 TSB report released

Anyone found to have larger personal items taken from the cabin, should be immediately identified, arrested, and charged. If the delay causes personal harm or death to any other passengers, a charge up to involuntary manslaughter should also be laid. Where do you suggest we enact these laws? In eve...

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by Cubsrule
Sat Sep 05, 2020 5:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 995
Views: 99173

Re: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2020

Word on the street is that BNA will be one of the launch cities for WN’s new MIA service. We’ll see. I honestly wouldn’t rule PSP out. Seasonally at least. Do you know anyone in Nashville who has ever vacationed in Palm Springs? I don’t, although I’m also pretty far outside the relatively narrow de...

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by Cubsrule
Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 995
Views: 99173

Re: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2020

Word on the street is that BNA will be one of the launch cities for WN’s new MIA service. We’ll see. I honestly wouldn’t rule PSP out. Seasonally at least. Do you know anyone in Nashville who has ever vacationed in Palm Springs? I don’t, although I’m also pretty far outside the relatively narrow de...

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by Cubsrule
Fri Sep 04, 2020 1:08 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest launch service to Miami & Palm Springs
Replies: 195
Views: 21407

Re: Southwest launch service to Miami & Palm Springs

Assuming the Latin American gateway is done, I would not be shocked if FLL is trimmed to just ATL/BNA/BWI/HOU/DAL and maybe SJU a year or two from now. No need to fly MDW year-round either, that flying can be shifted to MIA. DEN/LAS/PHX can also be shifted to MIA. ISP is a bit of a niche route so i...

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by Cubsrule
Tue Sep 01, 2020 4:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines pilot saw someone with a jetpack on approach into LAX
Replies: 51
Views: 8474

Re: American Airlines pilot saw someone with a jetpack on approach into LAX

Based on this ATC description: “JetBlue 23, use caution, person in a jetpack reported 300 yards south of the LA final, at about 3,000 feet, 10 mile final.”...that would put this happening somewhere around Downey/South Gate/Bell Gardens (that general area)? That's assuming they were landing on the s...

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by Cubsrule
Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:29 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Departure procedures for airports located near international borders
Replies: 16
Views: 2567

Re: Departure procedures for airports located near international borders

Keep in mind that ATC boundaries don't necssarily follow national boundaries. For instance, it's not at all uncommon for DTW arrivals from the southeast to overfly Windsor, but that area is controlled by Detroit Approach and IIRC they do not pay Canadian overflight fees.

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by Cubsrule
Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:24 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Airlines removing change fees
Replies: 13
Views: 1346

Re: Airlines removing change fees

The WN policy is not quite what it appears to be. They allow you to book a new flight at whatever it costs and fully refund your previous flight, or credit it to your account. I think, more often than not, the new flight is more expensive, especially if you chose one of the budget ones, and the new...

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