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by airfrnt
Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Routes From Denver: What To Do With 39 New Gates
Replies: 105
Views: 15868

Re: New Routes From Denver: What To Do With 39 New Gates

SPREE34 wrote:
39 new gates, and the terminal infrastructure is already reaching it's limits. This ought to be a real goat rope in about 2025.


Between this, and the great haul overhaul, the additional train set, and the replacement of conveyances, what are you concerned about?

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by airfrnt
Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Routes From Denver: What To Do With 39 New Gates
Replies: 105
Views: 15868

Re: New Routes From Denver: What To Do With 39 New Gates

Mildly-related question: does anyone know whether B is *wider* than A and C? It's obviously longer, but somebody was trying to tell me today that he thought B was also wider. I thought maybe that's just because B has two lanes of moving walkways in each direction while the other concourses only hav...

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by airfrnt
Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Routes From Denver: What To Do With 39 New Gates
Replies: 105
Views: 15868

Re: New Routes From Denver: What To Do With 39 New Gates

The city council approved the expansion last night so it looks like construction will start next spring. If you look at the mock-up images of the concourse expansions, it’s interesting to see that the A concourse will feature 9 widebody gates - I wonder if any will feature a 3rd jetbridge for any f...

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by airfrnt
Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus Working With Emirates on New Order for Flagship A380
Replies: 948
Views: 707924

Re: Airbus Working With Emirates on New Order for Flagship A380

Sometime in the end of the 1960's PanAm founder Juan Trippe said to Boeing CEO Bill Allen regarding the 747: "If you build it, we buy it". And Allen replied: "If you buy it, we build it!" Oh yeah - the good old times when things like this were way simpler than now... :old: To be...

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by airfrnt
Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Denver International Airport Expansion Plans
Replies: 144
Views: 26781

Re: Denver International Airport Expansion Plans

Just curious, could you simply build out the ends of each concourse, under the original terminal design, and add sufficient gates to avoid the need to add Concourse D. I seem to recall reading something back in the day when the airport opened that if fully extended, each concourse was capable of ap...

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by airfrnt
Sun Nov 05, 2017 2:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Routes From Denver: What To Do With 39 New Gates
Replies: 105
Views: 15868

Re: New Routes From Denver: What To Do With 39 New Gates

As a few have mentioned earlier, I see DL adding unique flights from DEN, they expanded operations when they moved from C to A and added a Sky Lounge. While United, Frontier, and Southwest continue to compete for similar markets, I think DL, with its different US footprint will be the dark horse he...

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by airfrnt
Sun Nov 05, 2017 2:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Routes From Denver: What To Do With 39 New Gates
Replies: 105
Views: 15868

Re: New Routes From Denver: What To Do With 39 New Gates

Southwest leadership has said that the plan is to grow denver to 250 flights, maybe as much as 300, and have it be their largest station. United has called for a 50% capacity increase at DEN. Combined with the growth of F9 at Denver, I don't really know if I can see that as anywhere near being sust...

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by airfrnt
Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Routes From Denver: What To Do With 39 New Gates
Replies: 105
Views: 15868

Re: New Routes From Denver: What To Do With 39 New Gates

Is DEN considered gate restricted now? I though each of the big 3 had some slack in their gate utilization at the moment. Granted, more gates would allow more growth, but I was under the impression that lack of DEN gates were not given as a reason for not adding another nonstop city somewhere now. ...

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by airfrnt
Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Routes From Denver: What To Do With 39 New Gates
Replies: 105
Views: 15868

Re: New Routes From Denver: What To Do With 39 New Gates

Is DEN considered gate restricted now? I though each of the big 3 had some slack in their gate utilization at the moment. Granted, more gates would allow more growth, but I was under the impression that lack of DEN gates were not given as a reason for not adding another nonstop city somewhere now. ...

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by airfrnt
Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus looks outside for Leahy's replacement
Replies: 31
Views: 7135

Re: Airbus looks outside for Leahy's replacement

Leahy has been perhaps the biggest reason for Airbu’s success since the introduction of the A320. As with anyone with that much power, who has been there that long, the number of skeletons about to come out of the closet are going to be non-trivial. Ray not getting the job is a pretty strong indicat...

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by airfrnt
Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Routes From Denver: What To Do With 39 New Gates
Replies: 105
Views: 15868

Re: New Routes From Denver: What To Do With 39 New Gates

Southwest leadership has said that the plan is to grow denver to 250 flights, maybe as much as 300, and have it be their largest station. United has called for a 50% capacity increase at DEN, and was actually present at the city council meeting where they voted on this proposal to endorse it. In add...

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by airfrnt
Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Denver International Airport Expansion Plans
Replies: 144
Views: 26781

Re: Denver International Airport Expansion Plans

A couple of more details from the vote on the biz committee in Denver: 1) There will be a additional train added to the train system to increase capacity. 2) They anticipate that this will cover the airport for the next 15 years, or to roughly 80 million passengers. 3) There are growth projections t...

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by airfrnt
Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Does the 787 actually fly any point to point routes?
Replies: 120
Views: 23397

Re: Does the 787 actually fly any point to point routes?

To say that the 787 flies a lot of P2P routes, one has to change the P2P definition to H2P and talk about that P2P always meant H2P. There has been very few real P2P routes opened by the 787 and still fewer that could not have been done by an A330 or 767.. Well to be semantically pedantic, the OP w...

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by airfrnt
Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Denver International Airport Expansion Plans
Replies: 144
Views: 26781

Re: Denver International Airport Expansion Plans

Are there any plans to renovate or at least update the existing concourses? Its my understanding that the extension plans includes some interior work and new concessions. Does this entail that the concourses will receive a general revamp? As much as I like DEN it hasn't seen any major renovations s...

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by airfrnt
Tue Oct 31, 2017 5:35 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Denver International - 16,000 foot runway
Replies: 16
Views: 4039

Re: Denver International - 16,000 foot runway

Well, if it was at DEN - like the automated baggage handling system - it wouldn't work anyway. He He, is that still an issue? :D Remember when that caused chaos No, it's not an issue any longer - they gave up on the automated system years ago. I've always maintained that it could have been redesign...

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by airfrnt
Tue Oct 31, 2017 5:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Denver International Airport Expansion Plans
Replies: 144
Views: 26781

Re: Denver International Airport Expansion Plans

Are they planning to expand the immigration and customs facilities now that the A concourse is getting a bunch more international gate capacity? As noted, there is no problem with the actual immigration and customs facilities. The biggest bottleneck is actually the number of international gates, wh...

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by airfrnt
Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Denver International Airport Expansion Plans
Replies: 144
Views: 26781

Re: Denver International Airport Expansion Plans

Is there any architectural renderings or maps of what the concourses will look like after all the work is complete. In regards to the concourse a temporary gates at the east end what's that look like and shouldn't it be ready soon. Not yet, I will post if I come across anything. I would't expect it...

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by airfrnt
Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Denver International Airport Expansion Plans
Replies: 144
Views: 26781

Re: Denver International Airport Expansion Plans

To put this another way, the airport design in for 60/40 connecting. So far, it has been 60/40 O&D. With this expansion, the airport could easily handle a total shift to 60/40 connecting (assuming the price per emplacement doesn't grow too badly) without breaking a sweat. Then, like ATL, it's o...

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by airfrnt
Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Denver International Airport Expansion Plans
Replies: 144
Views: 26781

Re: Denver International Airport Expansion Plans

Will a 2nd terminal building ever get built north of Concourses C, D, and E at DEN, in addition to the existing main Jeppesen terminal building that is connected to the existing concourses via underground train and to Concourse A via a bridge? Probably not. There is some conversation about maybe do...

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by airfrnt
Sun Oct 29, 2017 6:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Denver International Airport Expansion Plans
Replies: 144
Views: 26781

Re: Denver International Airport Expansion Plans

Offhand, when will we see the construction of a new terminal? Terminal D? DEN uses the expression concourse for the facilities that provide gates, rather than terminal. This can be a bit confusing to some as there's a project to renovate and revise the current terminal - this is known as the "...

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by airfrnt
Sat Oct 28, 2017 3:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Denver International Airport Expansion Plans
Replies: 144
Views: 26781

Re: Denver International Airport Expansion Plans

Just curious whats the passenger point the leads to the next concourse being built, I know there is still room for extending the current coueses to full size. So i expect decades. When this was a expansion of just 22 gates, the Airport said that this would take each concourse pretty close to full b...

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by airfrnt
Sat Oct 28, 2017 2:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Denver International Airport Expansion Plans
Replies: 144
Views: 26781

Re: Denver International Airport Expansion Plans

Anyone have a diagram of the proposed terminal expansions? I believe that YouTube has some videos of the “expansion”. If you YouTube and google search “Denver airport Great Hall Project”, some good details should come up. It’s not an expansion perse, as in the terminals footprint is not expanding, ...

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by airfrnt
Sat Oct 28, 2017 2:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Denver International Airport Expansion Plans
Replies: 144
Views: 26781

Re: Denver International Airport Expansion Plans

DEN needs more international gates, including wide body gates. Things are cramped on Concourse A on certain days. WN shows no signs of slowing down their growth. They may even need more space for international operations if growth continues. Skywest has been growing their EAS network in recent mont...

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by airfrnt
Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:47 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus and Bombardier Announce CSeries Partnership
Replies: 1568
Views: 187036

Re: Breaking: Airbus and Bombardier Announce C Series Partnership

The only way the tarriffs get removed is if Airbus re-imburses the Canadians all the money they spent bailing out the program. Which may actually happen now. It will be interesting to see.

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by airfrnt
Fri Oct 06, 2017 1:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The Telegraph article: "Is this the beginning of the end for the world's biggest passenger plane?" (=A380)
Replies: 61
Views: 16512

Re: The Telegraph article: "Is this the beginning of the end for the world's biggest passenger plane?" (=A380)

The one thing I will say is that airplane failures (usually crashes) will lead to the perception that a carrier is inept or the plane is unsafe. A big example of this is Pan Am, when the Lockerbie bombing occurred, most voices immediately characterized it as the fault of the old and slow 747s that P...

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by airfrnt
Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UA's Kirby Explains why UA order 737-10MAX
Replies: 74
Views: 16878

Re: UA's Kirby Explains why UA order 737-10MAX

MFN (most favored nation) clauses typically only occur when the purchasing party has a incredible amount of leverage. I am not sure that pre bankruptcy AA qualified. It's more likely that there were four or five carriers who were offered this contract as a sweetheart deal, and for the exact same amo...

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by airfrnt
Sat Aug 19, 2017 4:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New MCI Single Terminal Proposal
Replies: 91
Views: 13575

Re: New MCI Single Terminal Proposal

This is being Ironic, right? That was the original plan...747s would come from around the country and world and connect at KC. Hence all the city names of airport access streets. Everything about the place, right down to the old TWA maintenance hanger, show an optimism in air travel that never mate...

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by airfrnt
Wed Aug 16, 2017 2:31 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New MCI Single Terminal Proposal
Replies: 91
Views: 13575

Re: New MCI Single Terminal Proposal

stl07 wrote:
If this happened earlier it would have been MCI instead of STL for the hub. WN implied this many times, but KC was too slow to act


That's the MCI story in one example.

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by airfrnt
Wed Aug 16, 2017 2:31 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New MCI Single Terminal Proposal
Replies: 91
Views: 13575

Re: New MCI Single Terminal Proposal

evank516 wrote:
F27500 wrote:
sw733 wrote:
Please tell me which airlines are expanding and creating hubs in the US...



... Much less, in MCI ..


Pretty sure WN would be all over MCI if this happened. Even more than they already are.



Doubtful given they are about to add 10 more gates in Denver.

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by airfrnt
Tue Aug 15, 2017 10:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New MCI Single Terminal Proposal
Replies: 91
Views: 13575

Re: New MCI Single Terminal Proposal

http://kcilovethisplace.com/wp-content/ ... -Final.pdf


this is one of the four offers.
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Indy wrote:
This looks like a pretty good document. Lots of information. It was contained in the Skyscraper City forum.

http://kcilovethisplace.com/wp-content/ ... -Final.pdf


this is one of the four offers.

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by airfrnt
Tue Aug 15, 2017 9:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New MCI Single Terminal Proposal
Replies: 91
Views: 13575

Re: New MCI Single Terminal Proposal

There was a plan in the early 90s to rebuild the airport to effectively compete with DEN as the best middle of the country airport, but it didn't pass, Does anyone has more on what this proposal was way back when? Tugg IIRC, the book "hard landing" (which is awesome anyways) covers it a b...

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by airfrnt
Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New MCI Single Terminal Proposal
Replies: 91
Views: 13575

Re: New MCI Single Terminal Proposal

It looks like they re-put this out to competitive bid. It looks like 1/2 of the designs (four companies bidding) are basically baby ATL/DEN midfield concourses (complete with bridge over a taxi way for one of them). There is a fourth bidder, but their plans were not released to the public, while the...

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by airfrnt
Tue Aug 15, 2017 1:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's next for Denver Intl Airport
Replies: 185
Views: 29836

Re: What's next for Denver Intl Airport

The great hall project was approved last night (tehncailly this mornig) http://www.denverpost.com/2017/08/14/dia-terminal-partnership-faces-crucial-city-council-vote-monday-night/ One very interesting thing that came out of the meeting is that the city has two "proof of concept" plans that...

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by airfrnt
Mon Aug 14, 2017 2:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's next for Denver Intl Airport
Replies: 185
Views: 29836

Re: What's next for Denver Intl Airport

The great hall project goes in front of city council for review today.

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by airfrnt
Wed Aug 09, 2017 6:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's next for Denver Intl Airport
Replies: 185
Views: 29836

Re: What's next for Denver Intl Airport

It would appear that DEN officials are trying to court EK to fly here, as per a comment on a facebook post on the official DEN page. I can't find it at the moment, but it's in a thread that is on an article they posted after UA announced LHR. EK to DXB would not be surprising. From what I understan...

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by airfrnt
Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:39 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DEN Great Hall Project Update
Replies: 168
Views: 15950

Re: DEN Great Hall Project Update

BTW, to give credit where credit is due, Scott Kirby (UA's president) was actually at the session, and did state that United Plans to grow Denver by 50%. The airport also stated that the additional new gates being added to DEN over the next 3 years (22 being asked for) will take the airport to with...

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by airfrnt
Mon Aug 07, 2017 10:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DEN Great Hall Project Update
Replies: 168
Views: 15950

Re: DEN Great Hall Project Update

Lot of different views here i this thread, and I think that's good. In the below link, after a quick read, (I will read this article again and again probably) maybe nothing really new being offered, but a comprehensive (at least I think, and I'm assuming all facts/items are basically correct) local...

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by airfrnt
Wed Aug 02, 2017 2:39 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DEN Great Hall Project Update
Replies: 168
Views: 15950

Re: DEN Great Hall Project Update

:checkmark: :checkmark: :checkmark: I cannot see how Kim Day can support the the relocation of TSA security to the limited space on level 6 (as proposed). Today's Denver Democrat (aka Post) is saying DIA is committed to building up to 26 new gates in the next couple of years. How many additional pa...

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by airfrnt
Wed Aug 02, 2017 2:34 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Denver expansion continues - 26 new gates
Replies: 71
Views: 9730

Re: Denver expansion continues - 26 new gates

Have you ever noticed that the concourse-concourse spacing is on the order of 2x at DIA what it is at ATL? Have you ever been stranded @DEN when the trains aren't running? That's not an optimal experience. There's been a lot of talk on here recently about DEN's trains failing. But honestly, can any...

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by airfrnt
Tue Aug 01, 2017 11:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Denver expansion continues - 26 new gates
Replies: 71
Views: 9730

Re: Denver expansion continues - 26 new gates

DEN could incorporate an underground walkway and a 2nd underground train between the west side of Concourse A, the west side of Concourse B, and the west side of Concourse C if Concourses A, B, and C are all expanded further west. An underground walkway and a 2nd underground train on the west side ...

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by airfrnt
Tue Aug 01, 2017 11:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Denver expansion continues - 26 new gates
Replies: 71
Views: 9730

Re: Denver expansion continues - 26 new gates

I question whether all the airlines can grow that much. For example, I don't think UA and WN can both grow 50%. We'll see. Yes, it has to be a throwaway number, either intended to further hurt F9, or one of several scenarios for the market. Where would those passengers come from? Lower fares? Equal...

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by airfrnt
Tue Aug 01, 2017 11:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Denver expansion continues - 26 new gates
Replies: 71
Views: 9730

Re: Denver expansion continues - 26 new gates

D and E concourses won't be built until the current three are expanded to near their maximum lengths. E won't happen for at least decades because it would require moving the United and Frontier hangars first. The underground train is already built out to accommodate a D Concourse though. Building C...

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by airfrnt
Tue Aug 01, 2017 5:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Denver expansion continues - 26 new gates
Replies: 71
Views: 9730

Re: Denver expansion continues - 26 new gates

DEN will become WNs largest station in the next year or so with current plans. D and E concourses won't be built until the current three are expanded to near their maximum lengths. E won't happen for at least decades because it would require moving the United and Frontier hangars first. The undergr...

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by airfrnt
Tue Aug 01, 2017 5:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Denver expansion continues - 26 new gates
Replies: 71
Views: 9730

Re: Denver expansion continues - 26 new gates

I question whether all the airlines can grow that much. For example, I don't think UA and WN can both grow 50%. We'll see. There is a awful lot of capacity going in at DEN. 3 more transatlantic flights (Norwegian, UA, and Zurich) as well. But expansion is far cheaper at DEN then anywhere else (than...

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by airfrnt
Tue Aug 01, 2017 5:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DEN Great Hall Project Update
Replies: 168
Views: 15950

Re: DEN Great Hall Project Update

Because the CPE cost would be incremented by the airport's costs for the gates, unless they have leases cover them. Again, see the recent Denver city council meeting. Way wrong here, but common misunderstanding. CPE is not an actual rate charged to airlines. Take landing fees and terminal rents cha...

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by airfrnt
Tue Aug 01, 2017 3:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Denver expansion continues - 26 new gates
Replies: 71
Views: 9730

Re: Denver expansion continues - 26 new gates

I imagine this is in addition to the four gate expansion at the west end of B that is currently operational (no structural expansion, just long modular walkways to the jetbridges). This is part of a aggressive expansion by airlines there - United is planning a 50% expansion Is that for real? Expand...

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by airfrnt
Tue Aug 01, 2017 3:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DEN Great Hall Project Update
Replies: 168
Views: 15950

Re: DEN Great Hall Project Update

airfrnt, you don't know what you're talking about. Okay, englighten me. First of all, except for United, whose agreement expires in 2035, the agreement for all other airlines has the same term--it expires in 2018 and has nothing to do with new gates being constructed. Kim Day recently testified in ...

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by airfrnt
Tue Aug 01, 2017 3:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Denver expansion continues - 26 new gates
Replies: 71
Views: 9730

Re: Denver expansion continues - 26 new gates

DEN will become WNs largest station in the next year or so with current plans. D and E concourses won't be built until the current three are expanded to near their maximum lengths. E won't happen for at least decades because it would require moving the United and Frontier hangars first. The undergr...

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by airfrnt
Tue Aug 01, 2017 3:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Denver expansion continues - 26 new gates
Replies: 71
Views: 9730

Re: Denver expansion continues - 26 new gates

william wrote:
I believe SWA has 300 flights a day from MDW and BWI. An amazing expansion if true for DEN.


They do not.

Chicago (Midway) has 241, Las Vegas has 218, Baltimore 215, Denver 196

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