Re: What has Delta not massively cut flights to Europe this summer as United has?

Kilopond wrote:

Rdh3e wrote:

[...]DL/UA are both likely still figuring out how to re-accommodate passengers before pulling their schedules down.[...]

What passengers? No travel bans will be lifted anytime soon.

Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

You're kind of all over the place here. They had what was considered a very health amount of cash up until the world aviation market contracted by 75% inside of a month. Hind sight is 20/20. I expect the conversations of what level of catastrophe an airline should expect will be interesting over th...

Re: Moderators to enforce new Social Distancing guidelines

Boeing and Airbus are each pursuing new seating layouts for COVID 19 flights. Safe for spacing, easier to sanitize. https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-8d85c9666bc9f7c0955cb6e66ad4b887 Tugg https://lufthansa-cargo.com/documents/20184/7697379/bf777_laderaum.jpg/26ce9e30-b3c4-f528-1eec-5a764fb0cb25...

Re: Virgin Atlantic facing collapse

Delimit, Delta had a stake of 14.9% in Hanjin (Korean Air’s parent company) by this month, up from 10% in September, while KCGI had 18.6%, up from 17.1% late last year. From a Reteurs article six days ago: https://uk.reuters.com/article/korean-air-management/update-1-korean-air-parent-shareholders-...

Re: Virgin Atlantic facing collapse

To claim Delta is unable to financially support their 49% share in VS at this time seems to be at odds with their purchase of further shares in a far larger partner airline just a few days ago, Korean Air. I can't find anything about that online. I'm surprised because it should have gotten press at...

Re: Virgin Atlantic facing collapse

VS is being supported by the UK taxpayer, like any other business in the UK: furloughed staff are eligible to have their salary covered at 80% of up to £30,000 pa. Other area of support from Government are available to businesses, but, rightly, only as a last resort and only after all avenues of ot...

Re: Virgin Atlantic facing collapse

Do you have IAG's burnt rate? Where did you arrive to the conclusion 8 billion is not enough? I don't. They could be the the special flower I guess; but I'd be enormously surprised given that the rest of the industry is a dumpster fire right now. That is quite a bit more cash than what Southwest is...

Re: Virgin Atlantic facing collapse

Of course I do, if you play the business right you can make your money. IAG have around £8BILLION in its reserves, enough to last it through the crisis. Others.. Well they've brought it on themselves in poor management and choices (not talking about corona) IAG is posturing. 8 Billion will not be e...

Re: Virgin Atlantic facing collapse

You do realize airlines are a low profit margin business? Of course I do, if you play the business right you can make your money. IAG have around £8BILLION in its reserves, enough to last it through the crisis. Others.. Well they've brought it on themselves in poor management and choices (not talki...

Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

You're kind of all over the place here. They had what was considered a very health amount of cash up until the world aviation market contracted by 75% inside of a month. Hind sight is 20/20. I expect the conversations of what level of catastrophe an airline should expect will be interesting over the...

Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

I hope this is a wake-up call for airlines to invest in themselves before throwing their money at other airlines. Now Delta could really use all of the money they put into VS, Latam, AM, GOL Nope. Nonsense. Those were good investments for Delta. The US majors are dominating air travel right now and...

Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Honestly I don't think it likely enough to be worth discussing. Alitalia is a special case. Italy has been looking to renationalize for years. It's the only way Alitalia keeps going.

Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

For the third time: government collateralization of debt through shares is generally temporary. As the debt is repaid the original ownership returns. Unless you think they are going to renationalize the airlines?

Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

You seem to be confused as to who benefits here.

Delta will get it's money out of KE and AM's carcasses if they are allowed to go down; but Korea and Mexico will suffer when their dominant carriers fail.

Re: Virgin Atlantic facing collapse

Um...what are you on about? The whole point of these bailouts is so that Virgin continues to employ people. How am I ignoring their welfare when I am advocating them keeping their jobs? :confused: Then why is this the responsibility of the UK GOV? Why isn't virgin keeping these people on by pumping...

Re: Virgin Atlantic facing collapse

When you have a major stockholder that is personally wealthy... any government bailout money should be tied to some kind of match program from the wealthy owner. Perhaps £1 government money for every £2 (or 3, 4) of the wealthy owners money. I'm open to the argument that the government should provi...

Re: Virgin Atlantic facing collapse

Um...what are you on about?

The whole point of these bailouts is so that Virgin continues to employ people. How am I ignoring their welfare when I am advocating them keeping their jobs?

Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

2. Do you feel like VS and AM's performance is somehow relevant here? I'm not seeing what point you're trying to make by bringing them up. Point is: Should companies that were, at best, struggling pre-pandemic be saved? If a company can't make money in the best of times, why should the government b...

Re: Virgin Atlantic facing collapse

fcogafa wrote:

[quote=]Tell me; when was the last time the EU closed its borders? Right. Never in it's history.

Re: Virgin Atlantic facing collapse

Of course they offer all those other benefits but for the UK government because of how already uncomfortable they are with bailing virgin Atlantic out they seem to have an excuse for all those points. And yes IAG is 25% owned by Qatar but at least with British Airways the economic and operational i...

Re: Virgin Atlantic facing collapse

I assume when you say private you mean not owned by government then yes. The thing is the government isn’t hot on bailing virgin out because a few reasons. First of all they have to take a look at the business finances to see if an investment is worth it. Secondly, their 50% owned by delta and then...

Re: Virgin Atlantic facing collapse

Just out of curiosity, did it not make you sad that employees of flybe, thomas cook etc etc lost their jobs? How is that relevant to the current situation? Because those airline employees lost their jobs too thats why its relevant Did they lose their jobs because the air travel market collapsed und...

Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

1. The point of the bailouts isn't to save the companies; it's to save the things they represent: jobs, global connectivity, trade, etc. Ownership structure should not really be a consideration; assuming it's all legal. 2. Government stakes when used to collateralize tend to be temporary. The govern...

Re: Virgin Atlantic facing collapse

Virgin is a great airlines. I see a lot of ignorance in this feed. ALL airlines in the UK are currently in discussion with the UK government for support / possibility of bail outs. That includes EasyJet and BA. ALL these airlines have taken cost cutting measures to ensure their survival. It really ...

Re: Virgin Atlantic facing collapse

IAG and Virgin are both private companies. Why is one's request for money more valid than the others? SRB may be loathsome, but do you really want the government picking favorites? I would expect you would see governments looking to preserve the jobs and the service. I assume when you say private y...

Re: Virgin Atlantic facing collapse

IAG and Virgin are both private companies. Why is one's request for money more valid than the others? SRB may be loathsome, but do you really want the government picking favorites?

I would expect you would see governments looking to preserve the jobs and the service.

Re: Moderators to enforce new Social Distancing guidelines

It was a better than poor attempt at humor.

Re: Speculation: American Airlines might file bankruptcy again

AA's service quality, seating in coach, baggage policies, etc. are really besides the point, unless you think it's appropriate for regulators to use this crisis to blackmail AA into changing it's policies; rather than, say, actually regulate the practices they find objectionable. And whatever they d...

Re: Speculation: American Airlines might file bankruptcy again

I agree with many posters in this thread. If AA is to accept any government subsidies, AA must: 1, Doug Parker and the previous senior management from HP and US must leave the company 2, Restricted salary and compensation for senior management 3, Be more customer friendly. Customer satisfaction mus...

Re: Renationalisation of airlines being a trend.

Trend? Other than AZ what airline is being nationalized? Loans, lines of credit, other support are not nationalization unless the government takes majority control.

Re: Speculation: American Airlines might file bankruptcy again

Sorry, no special reason to bail out airlines over other organizations. Airlines are a cyclical industry. The expectation that it won’t be cyclical was incorrect, as always. I was glad to see airlines and employees do so well for so long. But it is no guarantee and cycles end. Investors will lose e...

Re: Speculation: American Airlines might file bankruptcy again

Sorry, no special reason to bail out airlines over other organizations. Airlines are a cyclical industry. The expectation that it won’t be cyclical was incorrect, as always. I was glad to see airlines and employees do so well for so long. But it is no guarantee and cycles end. Investors will lose e...

Re: Do Boeing continually improve their products?

Very few of the 767s have this cabin. Only some later built frames. Where did you get this impression from? I do not know what the numbers are, but I would not say it is very few . At least not as it would pertain to the ratio of in-service units. All 764s have it, a good deal of 762s & 763s we...

Re: New AA uniform launches today

Funny that they put so much time and effort into running away from Twin Hill and over to Lands End for the f/a’s, customer service and others.... Didn't Lands End also make the Delta uniforms - the ones some f/a's said were making them sick? Yep. Bland, but better than what they are replacing by far.

Re: Delta Announces SEA-LHR For 2021

Neither of them are going anywhere, so it's sort of a silly discussion. Cities can support two airlines hubbing at the same time. I was a little surprised Delta retaliated. Shots across the bow and all that; I guess, but American is not a factor in Seattle and it won't be anytime soon. The AA/AS agr...

Re: Petition to Change China Airlines name to Taiwan Airlines as Countries Mistakenly Ban it Over Caronavirus

Is Chunghwa, the Chinese pronunciation of China? It’s more like “nation” in the lakers nation kind of way if that makes any sense. It’s not how you say China which is zhong guo depending on how you romanize it. Why is it it so difficult to change China Airlines to Taiwan Airlines? I know a few Taiw...

Re: Petition to Change China Airlines name to Taiwan Airlines as Countries Mistakenly Ban it Over Caronavirus

Don't change it to Alitalia then.

Re: What types will Delta order/option for delivery in 2023/2024?

1. He was calling the A330 a small widebody. The A332 was the smallest widebody on the market when he said that, wasn't it?
2. No one actually seems to want the smallest widebody when it is time to pay for them. The larger models always outsell the smaller.

Re: What types will Delta order/option for delivery in 2023/2024?

The quotes I could find. "We have had potential discussions with Boeing about being the launch customer" in 2018 "Boeing has not even made a decision on whether they will launch the aircraft. We hope they will, We are very interested in it." Early 2019 "We're in discussions ...

Re: What types will Delta order/option for delivery in 2023/2024?

You are drawing arbitrary lines. The 788 is also significantly larger. And, of course, there are A339s coming into Delta as 767s are being retired, but no 787s so...

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Re: Will there ever been a new greenfield major airport in the USA?

I thought ATL had a plan to add an additional terminal and a new runway within its existing footprint?

Re: What types will Delta order/option for delivery in 2023/2024?

While not the subject of this article, DL also doesn't really have a suitable replacement for the P&W B763s and some of them will time out in the next 3-4 years. I could see narrow-bodies replacing some, and you have the B753s as well to account for. I don't think they'll get one. They'll run t...

Re: Will there ever been a new greenfield major airport in the USA?

KXWA, Williston, ND opened Oct 2019. I believe that it the last green field commercial airport built in the U.S. You both are missing the word "major" in the subject. The answer is likely no. What's your definition of major? Compared to the amount of GA airports in the U.S., one can argue...

Re: Will there ever been a new greenfield major airport in the USA?

The last "green field" airport built in the US was Panama City, FL-ECP; it opened in 2010. KXWA, Williston, ND opened Oct 2019. I believe that it the last green field commercial airport built in the U.S. You both are missing the word "major" in the subject. The answer is likely ...

Re: DOT: Best/Worst U.S. Airports On Time Performance for 2019

There's no doubt that if DL was operating the same capacity as its competitors at equally congested hubs, their ontime lead would largely evaporate.

Re: DOT: Best/Worst U.S. Airports On Time Performance for 2019

NYC is a mess. 3 major airports in the busiest airspace in the US. There's no way that is working out well.

LGA and ORD are both infamous. I am a bit shocked EWR performs so poorly.

Re: AS to join OneWorld / AA to make SEA an Intl gateway

Why would they even want to? They've been the most consistently profitable airline in America for decades not doing it. What is going to fundamentally change in the next decade or two that would change their (very successful) model?

Re: AS to join OneWorld / AA to make SEA an Intl gateway

AA reaffirmed they code share with AS, added a route at SEA and AS joined OW, which...changes nothing with their relationship with AA.

Am I missing something? The BLR is interesting. Hope that lasts.

Re: Why does everyone assume that the A380 ending production means the fleet will stop flying?

I could see a company like Laker snapping up a slightly used 380 and packing 850 low fare travelers to GATWICK for 150 bucks each way from NYC Laker went out of business 5 years later. Next time tell me something I don't know. Do you have a problem reading words strung together and then comprehendi...

Re: Why does everyone assume that the A380 ending production means the fleet will stop flying?

crjflyboy wrote:

I could see a company like Laker snapping up a slightly used 380 and packing 850 low fare travelers to GATWICK for 150 bucks each way from NYC