Eastern only had 3 DC-10s for a short period in 1986. N390EA was sold to Continental (for a realistic price in cash no less) when EA abandoned plans for MIA-MAD and MIA-AMS, CO was desperate for DC-10-30s at the time to increase frequencies in the Pacific. Through Summer 87 the two other DC-10s fle...Jump to post
Anybody remember when Eastern broke that dc-9 in half after crash landing in Pensacola? When was that in 87 I think? I was 4 years old at the time and remember the nonstop news coverage. I wonder if that event also contributed to the end of Eastern. https://cdn.aviation-safety.net/photos/accidents/...Jump to post
Airbus gave EA an awesome deal to get the A300 into a US carrier's operations. Were all of the A300s that EA owned under the sweet heart deal, or just the first few? The 737 plan looked viable. At the time the 757 was suppose to be the 727 replacement. It's because of Eastern who wanted it stretche...Jump to post
Correct. In 1985 EA was the largest airline in the western world. By the time of the strike in 1989 it was seventh in US. That’s incredible! Perhaps it was just a bad ending but Eastern doesn’t seem to have a positive reputation. Was EA ever considered to be a well run airline? How did its inflight...Jump to post
Yes EA was supposedly 3 quarters from being fully "in the black" when the fuel spike from the Gulf War basically ripped the life left out. Did you know Shugrue put Eastern up for sale in final weeks? He was in talks with Northwest to buy Eastern. He did not want to shutdown the airline bu...Jump to post
If Iraq and the Kuwait saga had not happened, do you think EA would have survived? It sounds like things were really turning around before that mess! Long term I don't think so at least by itself... it could of turned around long enough to be a solid merger partner though. There was just too much d...Jump to post
I remember Bar Harbor flying under Eastern colors to PWM with ATR-42 and Beech 1900's. I think to BOS, but it could have been LGA or both, too. Bar Harbor fed EA at BOS, JFK, EWR and LGA. They flew ATR42s, Saab 340s, B1900Cs, B99s in EAX colors. PBA, Precision Airlines, Southern Jersey and Britt al...Jump to post
See planespotters.net for fleet disposition. https://www.planespotters.net/airline/Eastern-Air-Lines/subfleet?manufacturer=McDonnell-Douglas&type=DC-9&fleetStatus=historic&p=3 So I see that TWA took several of the dc9-50s. Does anyone know if they were for expansion or were they replaci...Jump to post
The 727-100s never returned after the strike. Two A300s were fitted with about fifty First Class seats towards the very end. I believe all remaining DC-9-30s ended up with 22 First Class seats; 727s and 757s had 24. I don’t remember the number for DC-9-50s. There were actually a few (I think it was...Jump to post
Once the strike happened, the remaining 727-100s were dumped. There were maybe 110 727s total as of March 4, 1989. WOW...30th anniversary coming up By the way, no one has brought up the DC-10s. Were they still operating to the end? Or did those go to AA ? Eastern had two DC-10s after the strike. Ho...Jump to post
Some of the planes had different interiors but there was much inconsistency, a couple 727s had economy seats from Avianca for example after leases. Especially Eastern's DC-9-51s acquired from Muse Air in 1987 (N###MC). All blue leather seats, no rear galley. Eastern had few DC-9-32s from Texas Inte...Jump to post
I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if AC had considered the route during their recent major expansion. If I recall correctly, it was on some of AC's "possible future destinations" maps. I suspect that the current poor political relationship between the two countries makes the addition ...Jump to post
That's just one of the final EA color variations, nothing to do with the trooping flights[/quotle] Do you happen to know if they planned on refurbishing the economy section? I saw the new Business Class section and remember it looked very nice with new two-tone grey seats, blue carpet, blue striped...Jump to post
Eastern was operating L1011s for troop movements based out of Rome. From your photo, it appears as though you may have been on one of them... Notice the absence of the American flag on the number two engine. That's just one of the final EA color variations, nothing to do with the trooping flights. ...Jump to post
Love those three pictures... Very sad. Personally speaking, I flew on Eastern A-300 on January 13, 1991 (5 days before shutdown). The route was PDX-SEA-ATL. So, Eastern was operating A-300 flights until Friday, January 18, 1991 at 11:59 p.m. That week, after series of discussions with bankruptcy co...Jump to post
I have some questions that keep getting multiple answers when I research them about post-Lorenzo Eastern. 1) Did the A300s ever return to service post Lorenzo removal? I know the 757s, L1011s, DC-9s and 727s did to some extent but I'm looking for info specifically if any of the EA A300s flew service...Jump to post
Enerjet (and their new commercial name) will come out the winner in this 4-legged race. Swoop is WS's version of Zip and Tango. A marketing tool to benefit the overall corporation and shareholders profitability. It will most likely cease once the commercial benefit cedes. . If you want to make that...Jump to post
One thing a used car will never ever give you...
New Car smell.... mmmm... new car.... ahhhhhhhhhhh......
Otherwise, for it depends on how long i intend to keep the car... if it's a stop gap for 2-3 years ill go used. Second car for shopping, used... main car for commuting for the next 5+ years= new
Abandoning Calgary-Cranbrook to WestJet/PCO? That didn't take long... I guess they don't think they can compete without the B1900D?Jump to post
Ziyulu wrote:Did this crash affect the merger between CO and UA?
I dunno... my favorite Italian restaurant just added more Veal to the menu a couple months back and their Veal Marsala is the best I've had anywhere, Veal Parm is their 3rd most common dish that I see (After their Lasagna and Sunday Sauce both of which also have Veal in them)...Jump to post
And just so we are all on the same page here, from the official NTSB Accident Report, https://ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Pages/AAR9601.aspx : -------------------------------- Probable Cause The National Transportation Safety Board determines that the probable causes of this accident wer...Jump to post
Except that: They weren't flying in freezing rain they were flying in icing conditions which isn't a rare occurrence near Chicago or in any other number of countless busy airports in the world. They had the anti ice system on and it was working as designed. It was not the first time that crew had ru...Jump to post
The ATRs also had an issue with safety records in freezing temps because of one big crash in the 1990s with a base at ORD. For the bazillionth time: the ATR met all FAA icing certification requirements. Now you might take the position that those requirements were insufficient, but the ATR successfu...Jump to post
I actually find that the Airbus interiors on AC look quite dated. Yellow lighting, beige plastic and scratched up unresponsive screens aren’t what I would call world-class. Their long-haul interiors on the other hand feel quite nice and modern. It's very inconsistent... some look factory fresh and ...Jump to post
Hilary lost while winning the popular vote just like her husband won the Presidency while losing the popular vote (43%). So? He didn't "lose the popular vote" he won the most votes of any candidate in 1992 (and so WON the popular vote): Clinton 43% 44 909 889 Bush 37.4% 39 104 545 Perot 1...Jump to post
National WAS the start of the fall... PA spent too much for an airline that didn't provide the domestic feed to it's hubs OR any markets they didn't reach. If they'd dropped National on Lorenzo instead of getting into a buying war with him and giving him a big nest egg. Instead as I've said before y...Jump to post
Well since we don't know what they are getting revenue/profit/loss (still Privately owned so no annual report) wise I wonder if things are more loss making then some people think. Recent moves seem to be more and more towards cost cutting and selling ancillary assets (YTZ Terminal etc).Jump to post
GalaxyFlyer wrote:They did it before, anyone remember Mirabel.
There are a whole pile of opportunities a well run (and capitalized) ULCC could exploit in Canada that WS and AC have zero interest in going after. Things like: -adding new capacity and competition onto routes such as YOW-YWG that have less capacity on them today than 30 years ago even though traff...Jump to post
Airstud wrote:northstardc4m wrote:The correct answer is the original Pennsylvania station, NYC, in 1963
Well no; see, it was the Detroit Times' building.
(See opening post.)
The correct answer is the original Pennsylvania station, NYC, in 1963
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsyl ... prov=sfla1
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Switch over to the other seaboard and see protectionism in full effect. YYC was a typo of course, don't try to deflect from your own poor examples by lambasting me for a typo. Have you seen how many countries Canada actually have open skies agreements with? 20 according to this rather official look...Jump to post
The only thing that's absurd is that you refuse to see how protected Air Canada is from competition, even on international long haul markets. Are you an employee of Air Canada or why do you have blindfolds on? Comparing Atlanta to Toronto is apples and oranges all over again, just like your Canada/...Jump to post
All AR 747/74L flights in June 1989 OAG: AR 110 MAD MADRID, SPAIN 10:50 FCO ROME(FIUMICINO), ITALY 12:50 EZE-MAD-FCO P 0 747 2 AR 110 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 17:00 MAD MADRID, SPAIN 9:35 EZE-MAD-FCO P 0 747 1 AR 110 EZE BUENOS AIRES(PISTARINI), BA, ARGENTINA 17:00 FCO ROME(FIUMICI...Jump to post
ushermittwoch wrote:The diversion airport is noteworthy.
Does not show up often.
FS 2 (on 5.25" on a 286...), FS 3, FS 4.1 (came on both 3.5 and 5.25 disks), FS 5, FS FW95 (on CD wow!), FS 98, FS 2000pro, FS2002, FS2004*, FSX* P3Dv1/2/3, Sierra Pro Pilot, XP9/10/11, Aerofly FS2* ( *= still using) Not to mention things like F-15 Strike Eagle, F-19, Falcon 4.0, IL-2, LOMAC, T...Jump to post
Technically ATR is part-owned by Airbus. And what is now Bombardier was owned by Boeing in the 1990s Only deHavilland Canada was owned by Boeing (Canada) for a few years jointly with the Ontario Government... and it was sold to Bombardier who already owned Canadair, but Boeing never owned Bombardier.Jump to post
I wonder if AC has given the Cessna Sky Courier any thought as a replacement for the B1900. It's still a twin turboprop with 19 seats but it might be more efficient. https://cessna.txtav.com/en/turboprop/skycourier Not pressurized and slower than the 1900... They could just as easily look at the Do...Jump to post