I have read about the 757 also, and I think I might have even heard the USAir station manager at the time mention it, so I believe it was here. Interesting - maybe I'm not crazy after all :D The 757 is certainly larger and heavier than the A321, but according to my research an F9 A321 has a lot mor...Jump to post
I noticed on FR24 today that tomorrow's and next Thursday's flights are scheduled to be A321s. In terms of passengers I believe those will be the largest scheduled flights to have operated at BTV. Sometime in the 80's, USAir flew a one-off 757-200 PIT-BTV as a special upgauge around the Christmas h...Jump to post
Maybe they're just trying to shift a way from ORD for California/West Coast destinations? Seems unlikely. The 8am DEN-BTV could scarcely have worse timing for West Coast eastbound connections. The only way to make it work is to take the last DEN flight of the day out of SFO/SEA/etc., say 10pm, gett...Jump to post
Frontier’s very first flight into BTV happened to be an A320NEO, reg N329FR, Trixie the Fox:
The plot thickens..... exciting.
Worst-case is UA runs F9 off, then drops the route, leaving BTV back at square one. I hope the market responds and there ends up being room for both.
btvhopper wrote:More or less the same (pre-F9) pax numbers that PWM had for DEN...
B595 wrote:Frontier must be expecting a good amount of market stimulation (they can't count on poaching everyone from the other airlines).
mjgbtv wrote:Here are the numbers for 2017 and 2018. This is daily each way:
The flight has gotten way more buzz than Orlando, Denver will be a hit. There rightfully should be buzz. The Denver route lifts BTV from being an eastern-US regional airport to the national stage. MCO O&D is a bit less than DEN. RDU is about half of DEN. I could see MCO sticking around. RDU see...Jump to post
Allegiant was also competing with themselves at PBG, and there is probably too much overlap in the catchment area for both to do well for them. RIght, but the network folks at Allegiant knew they'd be competing with themselves and they aren't stupid, so there must have been some other factor(s) in ...Jump to post
Great marquee route for BTV, they're longest scheduled route ever, by far. Also stands a good chance of giving BTV its first A320 NEO service. We all know Quebec travels (at least those that travel to BTV, or PBG for that matter) are very price-sensitive so F9 is probably able to find a market that ...Jump to post
Thanks for your responses. I figured this was basically a "black swan" event. But prob & stats aside, these special liveries are great marketing for Southwest. Even my non-aviation wife and friends ooh-ed and aww-ed as Tennessee One went over.
Happy New Year
This past Sunday afternoon (the 30th) three Southwest special liveries landed one after the other at SJC: Colorado One (SW5638 from SNA at 328pm) Tennessee One (SW3389 from BUR at 338pm) Triple Crown One (SW362 from LAS aT 340pm) These are straight from flightradar24, but I personally saw Tennessee ...Jump to post
It's worth noting that Deputy Aviation Director Nic Lungo mentioned re-paving of the concrete around the terminal will allow the accommodation of "Larger planes." Also, this is an airport management that likes to be tight-lipped about expansion plans; so just because they're not public ab...Jump to post
The runway, at least, shouldn't really be an issue. I have seen plenty of military charters to Europe, and I doubt they travel light! BTV doesn't have a shorter runway like PWM. Full-sized runway should be no problem for an A330 or 787. Obviously PBG has a much, much longer runway that they don't u...Jump to post
I would love to see a 2-3x weekly transatlantic flight of they can put a customs/immigration station inside the terminal. Same here - I've been quietly hoping that BTV would move forward with an in-terminal customs facility, to beat PBG to the punch with Montreal-oriented transatlantic service. Cus...Jump to post
Seemed viable to me, until I realized it was a Winter seasonal flight. Canadians have plenty of other places to ski besides Vermont. For authentic, big-mountain skiing, Toronto residents can: 1) Drive (or fly) to Quebec (Mont. Tremblant or Mont. Sainte Anne), 2) Drive (or fly) to Vermont/New Hampsh...Jump to post
I don't know whether there's a 'cause and effect' here, but Frontier entering BTV and PWM has caused B6 to retrench a bit at both those stations. Oh? Has B6 made some noteworthy schedule/pricing changes at BTV since Frontier's announcement? Granted I don't follow these things on a daily basis, but ...Jump to post
I can't recall where I read it (maybe in airport commission minutes) but I believe BTV is very interested in getting BOS service. The prioritization of BOS service is discussed in this very nice piece from Oct. 10 that was linked by FlyBTV in the JetBlue network thread (pg12): Here’s a recent artic...Jump to post
Other than Alleigant's very limited OGS service (which is primarily about pulling the beach bound from across the boarder) I'm not coming up with anything bigger than a 15-seat Twin Otter in either city going back 40+ years. Doesn't really alter your point, but Brockway Air used to fly B1900s into ...Jump to post
Here’s a recent article on the recent growth of BTV: https://www.sevendaysvt.com/vermont/btv-takes-off-larger-planes-usher-in-competition-more-travelers/Content?oid=21581652 Good piece, thanks for linking to it. They are right about leakage to BOS. I've visited Burlington dozens of times in recent ...Jump to post
Upstate NY is absolutely political, as is ORH. BTV unfortunately does not benefit from any of that. Tha's what I was saying: The politics of upstate NY, i.e. Albany/Chuck Schumer, have nothing to do with B6 serving BTV. Upstate NY and BTV are two different worlds. The Mormon theory is interesting. ...Jump to post
BTV and Upstate NY along with ORH are served for POLITICAL reasons. New Air was many years ago...but ol Chuck Schumer is still around. It's been said that BTV was one of the inaugural B6 cities because David Neeleman is a Mormon and Vermont has a prominent place in the Mormon story. Same for SLC. I...Jump to post
It may also be that MCO is just not the best Florida gateway for BTV travelers. I've heard it said here that the Quebecois favor the FLL area (hence the daily Air Canada Rouge 767 widebodies on YUL-FLL). Also, if one's destination is not the MCO local area then the cost of the BTV-MCO flight + the ...Jump to post
I wish Frontier well with their BTV service. One of the local Burlington news outlets states that Florida. "..is the top destination for Vermont air travelers." This surprises me a little - I would have expected New York to be the top air market. But if Florida really is the top, then I wo...Jump to post
UA switches equipment so often that it's hard to call anything 'regular', but I agree that 739's are showing up at BTV in unprecedented numbers. Same with the E190s for AA... Now if only AA would sub in something larger that might truly be a first. Can anyone confirm if AA ever served BTV prior to ...Jump to post
Yes. In 1984, when United started promoting service to all fifty states, one of the daily ORD flights went by way of BTV. Here it is at PWM in spring 1987. I took this photo myself when was only 8 years old. Flying to MEM via ORD. DL also had some BTV-PWM milk run flights way back prior to this. Yo...Jump to post
In 1988, the flight changed to ORD-BGR-PWM on 737-300. Ten years later, there was a PWM-MHT-ORD with 727. I flew on both. So there indeed was an ORD-BTV-PWM flight? I'm not disputing it, I just don't remember it personally. Speaking of the old days, we had an interesting visitor in BTV today - DC-9...Jump to post
Back in the 1980s and 1990s I flew MHT-ORD a number of times in both directions via BTV on 727s and 737-300s. I remember that routing. For the time in the 80s-90s that I was paying attention, the ORD-BTV flight was always part of a longer route, with the a/c overnighting somewhere other than BTV. E...Jump to post
On the BTV front, I noticed in Flightaware that UA is sending 4 mainline aircraft today - 3xA319 (ORD) and 1xB739 (EWR). I don't check this daily, but I wouldn't be surprised if this is a first, or at least the first time in many years. And this is with AA flying at least two E170s from ORD as well...Jump to post
The 01s also don’t have any obstacles or terrain off the end - it’s free and clear for nine miles across the bay, except for the occasional windsurfer mast. So the numbers for engine-out obstacle clearance and climb gradient should be about as favorable as can be.Jump to post
I can't recall where the AC A333 came from either. I think they actually cancelled the flight and de-planed. That's my recollection, too. The customs processing must have been a bear. There are some photos on the BTV Facebook page of it sitting on the ramp with stairs. Cool, didn't know that. I'm g...Jump to post
Random non-PWM question: has BTV ever seen a transatlantic charter flight or diversion? I think I saw something about a flight from SNN landing at BTV back in 2011 but would be curious to hear from BTV folks. Sometime in the past few years an Air Canada A333 diverted to BTV owing to poor weather at...Jump to post
slcdeltarumd11 wrote:AA really should start BTV-ORD
United charges crazy premiums for the non-stops
Not as interesting as today's PWM/Frontier news, but for the BTV afficionados, it was a mild but pleasant surprise to see that as of today AA has brought mainline back on the PHL-BTV route ((2x/day on E190s). It's been a very long time since US/AA had mainline in BTV - perhaps a decade. I believe th...Jump to post
The new LH scheme is essentially the Tradewinds Cargo scheme without the cheatline: 2042665 Apparently Tradewinds Cargo was far ahead of its time in terms of "upmarket sophistication". “Hideous” was apropos for AA’s new scheme when it came out . What about now? It's grown on me - from hide...Jump to post
In regards to United Express to PBG, the local community has been and is still fighting the service saying they want to keep the current service to Boston on PenAir http://www.suncommunitynews.com/articles/the-sun/residents-renew-push-for-penair-legislature-remains-firm/ I can see both sides. I'm s...Jump to post
So far, much of the response activity has been centered around the larger upstate airports. I've always been interested in what sort of terminal facilities are in the smaller airports such as Plattsburg, Ogdensburg, Elmira etc. If anyone has any photos of these airports it would be good to see. Tha...Jump to post
This is the current state of the Rochester section of my 1:400 diecast airliner model collection, plus some larger plastic models. What a great collection. I've always admired the USAir "silver and three-shades of red" scheme, and the 727-200 was their flagship for a while (until the 757-...Jump to post
Would this be the only EAS city with TATL service? That would be a great trivia question if the rumored Paris service actually pans out. With the Loonie/USD now at 0.80 and the dollar perhaps on a long slide, PBG (and BTV) may be at the cusp of another nice boost from Canadian traffic. Especially i...Jump to post
Not technically New England, but near enough... Plattsburgh (PBG) will have a new customs facility shortly, and there is word that a Paris flight is "likely". A Paris flight would be a real coup for their "Montreal-Sud" strategy. I wonder what the carrier would be? Norwegian? XL ...Jump to post
BTVB6Flyer wrote:UA is adding BTV-EWR mainline (A320) beginning 12/22/17
That photo angle makes it look like it has a 4-wheel bogie main gear. Had me going for a moment.Jump to post
I would have guessed Delta for Wisconsin, given their strong presence in Milwaukee, Madison, and Green Bay (hold-overs from the Northwest days), not to mention all the small cities like LaCrosse and Eau Claire that still have regional connections to MSP. But apparently Southwest's MKE ops alone are ...Jump to post
Frenchville, ME (KFVE), might be a fun one to have in the logbook, as the farthest north airport in New England.
Also, Bar Harbor, ME (KBHB). The town has good restaurants and shops and you can rent sea kayaks, etc. Downside is it can be a bit touristy (it's a cruise ship port).
Not seeing a single thing reference the two points you just made. 1. BTV isn't on Allegiant's route map 2. Nothing in the Burlington Free Press website about any return to BTV. 3. Allegiant just ended service all together in BTV just in March of this year, what makes you think they would go back so...Jump to post
Allegiant is going to restart BTV-SFB, according to an interview with a company spokesman in the Burlington Free Press:
(down the page under VIDEO)
Can't find any confirmation elsewhere, but BTV is on the Allegiant website's route map again.