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by Revelation
Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: RR UltraFan Timing: "Back End Of The Next Decade" Delays A350neo?
Replies: 43
Views: 5793

Re: RR UltraFan Timing: "Back End Of The Next Decade"

And RR are getting a new testbed. https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/qantas-747-to-become-rolls-royce-flying-testbed/ Yes, the article in my post is featuring the new ex-QF 747 testbed with a rendering of it testing the UltraFan, along with comments from Ms. Day characterizing the UltraFan development...

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by Revelation
Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: RR UltraFan Timing: "Back End Of The Next Decade" Delays A350neo?
Replies: 43
Views: 5793

RR UltraFan Timing: "Back End Of The Next Decade" Delays A350neo?

CNN ( https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/rolls-royce-boeing-747-testbed-seattle/index.html ) has an article on the new 747 testbed RR will use for UltraFan testing, complete with an obligatory pretty picture: https://dynaimage.cdn.cnn.com/cnn/q_auto,w_1100,c_fill,g_auto,h_619,ar_16:9/http%3A%2F%2Fcd...

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by Revelation
Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019
Replies: 1489
Views: 153983

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019

Ok correct me if I am wrong, but I was under the impression that the JTAR group was put together to look at certification issues in general, it was not to study and make recommendations necessary to unground the MAX. I think that this is correct. Thats the way they approached their report anyway, m...

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by Revelation
Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:55 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019
Replies: 1489
Views: 153983

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019

Oh dear, looks like middle to late 1st quarter 2020 now... .at least according to Southwest! https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/14/boeing-737-max-not-likely-returning-until-february-southwest-pilots-say.html The Boeing 737 Max won’t return to service at Southwest Airlines until February at the earliest, ...

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by Revelation
Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing: Muilenburg out as Chairman (remains CEO); David Calhoun named Chairman
Replies: 49
Views: 6529

Re: Boeing: Muilenburg out as Chairman (remains CEO); David Calhoun named Chairman

Agree, the whole early reaction of "we did nothing wrong" and imho if Boeing wants to convince the public that they have learned from the crashes and want to improve themselves, they need a new CEO. I would dare say somebody with an engineering background but from outside of Boeing would ...

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by Revelation
Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:33 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Hacking was apparently involved with developing the C919
Replies: 48
Views: 7910

Re: Hacking was apparently involved with developing the C919

So what, if you think US/EU/insert most countries companies and govt don't hack then you're living in a dream world. I think "most countries" hack. I don't think "most countries" use state assets to perform large scale industrial espionage for the benefit of their industry the w...

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by Revelation
Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:19 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing examines GEnX powered 767
Replies: 466
Views: 66345

Re: Boeing examines GEnX powered 767

That is why they start with the 400, which has a higher landing gear. Take the wings and MLG of the 400, the fuselage of the 300, the cockpit of the KC46 and add the new engine and the thing will be decently competitive and closing the gap between the 737 and the 787 for very little extra effort. (...

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by Revelation
Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:04 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing: Muilenburg out as Chairman (remains CEO); David Calhoun named Chairman
Replies: 49
Views: 6529

Re: Boeing: Muilenburg out as Chairman (remains CEO); David Calhoun named Chairman

In the end Muilenberg will be fired. First the CEO is the fall guy if the s**t really hits the fan and they get paid accordingly. But the whole saga after the grounding just looks bad, from "making a safe plane even safer" to missing one self defined deadline after the other. In addition ...

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by Revelation
Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:24 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: LX gradually starts returning A220s to flight status
Replies: 78
Views: 19388

Re: Swiss temporarily grounds its A220s after another engine problem

BT is stating that they use a different variant of the engine. I was wondering what exactly the difference is, making it possible to continue without any checks? How many versions of the engine are there and which operator uses which type? Keep in mind the decision to check Swiss aircraft was made ...

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by Revelation
Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Hacking was apparently involved with developing the C919
Replies: 48
Views: 7910

Re: Hacking was apparently involved with developing the C919

Some of the tech may have come from Airbus suppliers: European aerospace giant Airbus has been hit by a series of attacks by hackers who targeted its suppliers in their search for commercial secrets, security sources told AFP, adding they suspected a China link. ... Hackers targeted British engine-m...

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by Revelation
Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing: Muilenburg out as Chairman (remains CEO); David Calhoun named Chairman
Replies: 49
Views: 6529

Re: Boeing: Muilenburg out as Chairman (remains CEO); David Calhoun named Chairman

AvWeek ( https://aviationweek.com/commercial-aviation/muilenburg-removed-chairman-boeing-remain-ceo ) reported: But industry insiders tell Aviation Week that talk had increased lately about the need to make a change at Boeing. Expectations were for a transition next year – as the MAX issue stemmed f...

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by Revelation
Tue Oct 15, 2019 7:27 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: American Football - It's back!
Replies: 117
Views: 5636

Re: American Football - It's back!

The NFL had a chance to fix this after the Saints got screwed last year. Doesn't seem they have. Their "fix" has really just whet the appetite for more changes, IMO. I saw a twitter post saying by next season we will either make everything challenge-able ( with the coaches still having tw...

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by Revelation
Tue Oct 15, 2019 7:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019
Replies: 1151
Views: 261415

Re: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019

The certification process, delegated responsibilities, grandfathered requirements, exemptions , special waivering, FAA oversight. Something pops up (or out) and independent people take a look, ask questions. Now the pressure is on to not hide stuff. Meanwhile, over in https://www.airliners.net/foru...

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by Revelation
Tue Oct 15, 2019 7:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: LX gradually starts returning A220s to flight status
Replies: 78
Views: 19388

Re: Swiss grounded all its A220 after another engine problem

According to Swiss media it is just a temporary grounding and first aircraft will fly from tomorrow on again. Just every engine will go through an inspection. So a root cause or contributory root cause was found. I'm a Pratt fan, but 8 engine issues is a big deal. Lightsaber It's kind of interestin...

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by Revelation
Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chief Engineer: Ethiopian Airlines Went Into Records After 737 MAX Crash
Replies: 159
Views: 23227

Re: Chief Engineer: Ethiopian Airlines Went Into Records After 737 MAX Crash

If I take your statement "in particular no methodology I know of would let one compare rates when the denominators being used for the rates being compared represent different things." The denominator I used is "flights". In all cases. "Flights" do not represent "d...

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by Revelation
Fri Oct 11, 2019 3:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing examines GEnX powered 767
Replies: 466
Views: 66345

Re: Boeing examines GEnX powered 767

You would think they would use the -300ER for their base model for this re-engine project. Since you know, it's the best selling one out of this variants and it got no competition from Airbus. Weirdly enough they choose -400ER for the base. I guess the weakest GEnx engine is still to powerful for s...

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by Revelation
Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing examines GEnX powered 767
Replies: 466
Views: 66345

Re: Boeing examines GEnX powered 767

You would think they would use the -300ER for their base model for this re-engine project. Since you know, it's the best selling one out of this variants and it got no competition from Airbus. Weirdly enough they choose -400ER for the base. I guess the weakest GEnx engine is still to powerful for s...

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by Revelation
Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019
Replies: 1489
Views: 153983

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019

Why will Boeing not just allow such a flight and give the answers? My assumption is that such a flight will happen as a part of the one week of flight testing EASA has requested. The current hold up is that Boeing wants to be able to use the final package for that week of tests, which it cannot do ...

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by Revelation
Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019
Replies: 1489
Views: 153983

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019

While technically correct; doesn't most peoples view on that depend on how they pronounce "tomato"? ;) I believe that is relevant to this thread as in my opinion and observation - a number of posters have formed their opinions (which some often try to state as fact) depending on how they ...

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by Revelation
Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019
Replies: 1489
Views: 153983

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019

There is a big difference between "could be" and "is". A tomato "could be" a vegetable, but "is" a fruit. Great example of using terminology from different areas. Tomato is a fruit botanically, but it goes perfectly into certain vegetable salads, not so much ...

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by Revelation
Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019
Replies: 1489
Views: 153983

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019

and quote JATR said MCAS and those systems could be considered a stall identification or stall protection system, depending on how the aircraft handled without them. so JATR agrees with the definition of MCAS as a system against stall. There is a big difference between "could be" and &quo...

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by Revelation
Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing examines GEnX powered 767
Replies: 466
Views: 66345

Re: Boeing examines GEnX powered 767

Easy on those victory laps, my friend. I guess you didn't notice the " seems " in boldface. :wink2: Thank you for giving me the clue. The 764 raked wingtip was out BEFORE the wingleted 763. Techically raked wingtip is better but what we're looking at is a large, mature blended winglet vs....

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by Revelation
Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:34 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing examines GEnX powered 767
Replies: 466
Views: 66345

Re: Boeing examines GEnX powered 767

The Flight article says it would be available mid decade, strange, that is not so different from the 797 timescale Which if true is another indication that they aren't really targeting this at the MOM passenger market. If they were, they would have a shorter development time line, since the engine ...

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by Revelation
Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing examines GEnX powered 767
Replies: 466
Views: 66345

Re: Boeing examines GEnX powered 767

The freighter market makes sense as it doesn't have any direct Boeing competition for such a thing. If there is no competition for the 767F - which is quite true IMHO - why would Boeing even bother with this upgrade? They've proven that the existing 767F still sells well, although production rates ...

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by Revelation
Thu Oct 10, 2019 8:15 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: New FCAS Unveiled by Dassault for France, Germany & Spain
Replies: 59
Views: 8399

Re: New FCAS Unveiled by Dassault for France, Germany & Spain

Airbus and Dassault are frustrated by the lack of urgency of their respective governments to push the project forward. It frankly isn’t a surprise, funding was always going to be a struggle and with Germany still on the brink of recession a delay to moving forward with this project, which really is...

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by Revelation
Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing examines GEnX powered 767
Replies: 466
Views: 66345

Re: Boeing examines GEnX powered 767

The 767-400 already has the 777 glass cockpit. A.net pedantry rules require me to comment that the 767-400 has the 777 glass displays yet a very different cockpit. And the longer landing gear that would be required for ground clearance. Same rules require me to point out that the fine article tells...

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by Revelation
Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing examines GEnX powered 767
Replies: 466
Views: 66345

Re: Boeing examines GEnX powered 767

I think I created posts on that 13, 7, 2, 1 years ago. First I had the Dreamliner crowd all over me (787 = 767 replacement) later on the MOM/NMA crowd. Always felt it was a reasonable idea. The 767 is 30t lighter than the A330/787, right sized, got significant updated for the -400ER and KC-46. And ...

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by Revelation
Thu Oct 10, 2019 1:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Different BA 777 interior configurations
Replies: 23
Views: 5033

Re: Different BA 777 interior configurations

So eventually you'll have, for LHR based long haul: A380: 14F/97J/55W/303Y A350: 56J/56W/219Y 77W: 8F/72J/48W/136Y 772: 8F/49J/40W/138Y (4 class) 781: 8F/48J/35W/165Y 789: 8F/42J/39W/127Y 788: 35J/25W/154Y Since we're talking about 'eventually', any info on 779 configuration? Many sources report 32...

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by Revelation
Thu Oct 10, 2019 1:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019
Replies: 1489
Views: 153983

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019

So does that mean they are accessing the Final Fix? Or if everything is found to be okay this is the Final Fix? Even the pessimistic WSJ report ( https://www.wsj.com/articles/friction-between-u-s-european-regulators-could-delay-737-max-return-to-service-11570527001 ) said: Before the recent concern...

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by Revelation
Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019
Replies: 1489
Views: 153983

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019

Speaking of the MAX un-grounding, AA expects their RTS from the 16th of January 2020: https://www.bbc.com/news/live/business-49960083 Also: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/american-airlines-resume-flying-beleaguered-boeing-737-max/story?id=66149278 says: American Airlines announced in a Securities a...

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by Revelation
Thu Oct 10, 2019 2:04 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: The Houston Rockets, NBA, and China
Replies: 37
Views: 1855

Re: The Houston Rockets, NBA, and China

The desire of the PRC government to speed up by about 30 years the full return of Hong Kong as part of it has a long history behind it. They want an end to any vestiges of foreign colonial control as it is seen as a continuing insult to their nation and any opposition to it from the West, like the ...

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by Revelation
Thu Oct 10, 2019 1:51 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: The correct planned state capital
Replies: 33
Views: 2300

Re: The correct planned state capital

Carson City! Bonanza! Bonanza got quite a few things right story-wise, but after having visited the place on Lake Tahoe where the Ponderosa Ranch was supposed to be located, Carson City, and Virginia City, I can say without a doubt that the Bonanza writers were full of crap when they'd have one of ...

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by Revelation
Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019
Replies: 1151
Views: 261415

Re: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019

When will we see first flight? Modified engines have been flown in, so hang those under the wings and get that bird into the air ASAP Towards end of October or early November will be first flight Thanks for the info, Spetsnaz55. Can we speculate on why it'd be another 3-4 weeks from An124 drop off ...

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by Revelation
Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019
Replies: 1489
Views: 153983

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019

Nice summation of the big picture problems that caused these crashes. What I don't understand is how you managed to sum all this up without including the traditional adjectives, judgments, condemnations and outrage! :D Maybe we should lock the thread now? :biggrin: I appreciate the effort you've ta...

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by Revelation
Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chief Engineer: Ethiopian Airlines Went Into Records After 737 MAX Crash
Replies: 159
Views: 23227

Re: Chief Engineer: Ethiopian Airlines Went Into Records After 737 MAX Crash

That's some really fancy math there. It's not based on any statistical modeling methodology I ever studied, but it's fancy. Yes, in particular no methodology I know of would let one compare rates when the denominators being used for the rates being compared represent different things. In fact it's ...

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by Revelation
Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019
Replies: 1489
Views: 153983

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019

In a cockpit full of (in)correct vocal alerts, warning lights, single points of failure, refusing trim wheels, stall rumbling sticks that can't be stopped, a pilot theoretically could have saved the aircraft. So we can try focussing on training to handle, trouble shoot, pull circuit breakers by the...

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by Revelation
Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019
Replies: 1489
Views: 153983

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019

Latest is that EASA are not happy with the way Boeing are suggesting having the two FCC's run in parallel . As some here, the undersigned included, envisioned when it was first made know that Boeing would have both FCC's talking to each other, that is not an easy exercise, nor one which can be acco...

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by Revelation
Wed Oct 09, 2019 12:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chief Engineer: Ethiopian Airlines Went Into Records After 737 MAX Crash
Replies: 159
Views: 23227

Re: Chief Engineer: Ethiopian Airlines Went Into Records After 737 MAX Crash

What fear? No amount of reasonably expectable blame distribution, in the case of either crash, will sufficiently exonerate Boeing for the massiveness of their design cock-up. Certainly, nothing approaching absolution, or at least not in the mind of someone thinking objectively. In addition, with ev...

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by Revelation
Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest Pilots Association Sues Boeing Re: 737MAX
Replies: 85
Views: 9196

Re: Southwest Pilots Association Sues Boeing Re: 737MAX

I find this the most ridiculous of suits. Absent gross negligence on the part of Boeing (i.e., the people at Boeing KNEW that there was a major design flaw that WOULD cause the 737-Max to crash) case won't make it to trial. I agree that perhaps Boeing should have been more proactive about letting t...

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by Revelation
Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019
Replies: 1489
Views: 153983

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019

EASA dissatisfied with Boeing and FAA, MAX return much further delayed : https://www.wsj.com/articles/friction-between-u-s-european-regulators-could-delay-737-max-return-to-service-11570527001?mod=hp_lead_pos1 You should perhaps just go with the title, " Friction Between U.S., European Regulat...

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by Revelation
Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019
Replies: 1489
Views: 153983

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019

Do you think there is something in there for the handling staff? If the ground handlers are organized and can file as a class (be it via a union or otherwise), I don't see why they could not. The threat of a verdict of fraud is big enough to motivate Boeing to settle, IMO. If their design was compe...

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by Revelation
Tue Oct 08, 2019 11:20 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019
Replies: 1489
Views: 153983

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019

What if they manage to get a verdict from that court in line with the following?: “abandoned sound design and engineering practices, withheld safety critical information from regulators and deliberately misled its customers, pilots and the public about the true scope of design changes to the 737 MA...

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by Revelation
Tue Oct 08, 2019 11:09 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest Pilots Association Sues Boeing Re: 737MAX
Replies: 85
Views: 9196

Re: Southwest Pilots Association Sues Boeing Re: 737MAX

They wouldn't do this if RTS was around the corner, at least imho! The lawyers see $100M up for grabs, that's the primary factor. One would think that they'd be better off waiting for RTS to make the number as big as possible, and given that they filed now chances are high that we are close to RTS....

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by Revelation
Mon Oct 07, 2019 4:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chief Engineer: Ethiopian Airlines Went Into Records After 737 MAX Crash
Replies: 159
Views: 23227

Re: Chief Engineer: Ethiopian Airlines Went Into Records After 737 MAX Crash

Doesn’t absolve Boeing of anything at all, but it seems like Ethiopian needs a serious culture change. Fear of absolution is a real thing here on a.net. ?? Boeing will not be absolved of their design flaws and they shouldn't be. It's not a fear thing - its recognizing their gigantic screw up. And B...

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by Revelation
Mon Oct 07, 2019 4:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chief Engineer: Ethiopian Airlines Went Into Records After 737 MAX Crash
Replies: 159
Views: 23227

Re: Chief Engineer: Ethiopian Airlines Went Into Records After 737 MAX Crash

There are a slew of jaw-dropping allegations in this AP article on Ethiopian's culture and maintenance record. The following are just a few: [list] [*]The carrier went into the maintenance records on a Boeing 737 Max jet a day after it crashed this year. I'm not sure what impact these will have on ...

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by Revelation
Mon Oct 07, 2019 4:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chief Engineer: Ethiopian Airlines Went Into Records After 737 MAX Crash
Replies: 159
Views: 23227

Re: Chief Engineer: Ethiopian Airlines Went Into Records After 737 MAX Crash

SFOtoORD wrote:
Doesn’t absolve Boeing of anything at all, but it seems like Ethiopian needs a serious culture change.

Fear of absolution is a real thing here on a.net.

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by Revelation
Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:13 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: American Football - It's back!
Replies: 117
Views: 5636

Re: American Football - It's back!

scbriml wrote:
It may be a new season, but it's definitely the old Redskins.0-5. :banghead:

Hail to the... Patriots!

Guess Jay Gruden will have plenty of time to smoke weed and hit on women now!

The best part is Dan Snyder will still be paying him to do it! :biggrin:

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by Revelation
Sun Oct 06, 2019 7:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B17 Crash at BDL October 2nd, 2019
Replies: 166
Views: 31688

Re: B17 Crash at BDL October 2nd, 2019

No, split second reactions are likely more harmful than thought out actions ESPECIALLY near the ground. Get it wrong and there’s no time to fix it. If an engine goes, the rudder generally needs to be put in immediately to keep the aircraft under control. There is not much time to “think” about whet...

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by Revelation
Sun Oct 06, 2019 7:20 pm
Forum: Site Related
Topic: Alert of "phishing"
Replies: 58
Views: 1731

Re: Unsafe website warning

Maybe it has something to do with this? https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=1431347 The developers replied to the topic, so they're aware there's some sort of issue. I don't really know anything beyond that though. Nope, that is a 'phishing attack' that comes in (unfortunately)...

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by Revelation
Sun Oct 06, 2019 5:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019
Replies: 1489
Views: 153983

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019

The 737 has been safe this long because the crews operating it have been relatively safe, not because it has safety features. This philosophy was acceptable in the past, but with better available technology now, it should no longer be acceptable. Of course ideally crews should be even safer than th...

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