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by superjeff
Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airliners Past: A Braniff Boeing 747 video
Replies: 35
Views: 5030

Re: Airliners Past: A Braniff Boeing 747 video

Those were the days of low load factors. Cool video thanks. I thought Braniff only ever used the 747 DAL-HNL. Initially, only DAL-HNL-DAL. When DFW opened they moved the flight to DFW-HNL-DFW. After deregulation took effect there were a few domestic tag-ons to move airplanes around. DFW-SEA-HNL was...

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by superjeff
Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumor: American Airlines To Introduce Free WiFi
Replies: 54
Views: 8743

Re: Rumor: American Airlines To Introduce Free WiFi

https://onemileatatime.com/american-airlines-free-wifi/ Interesting development and rumor. Looks like AA's following Delta's path to free WiFi. Personally, I would really like this. However, I'm honestly not sure if AA's ViaSat provider is capable of giving free WiFi to an entire plane. Flew PHX-AN...

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by superjeff
Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Complaint filed against Boeing and WN over 737 MAX safety issues
Replies: 90
Views: 14539

Re: Boeing and WN sued over 737 MAX safety issues

What are the damages the plaintiffs are claiming? Nothing. Its a complaint. Actually it is a "Complaint", not a "complaint". The difference is that with the upper case "C" it identifies the originating document for a lawsuit (sometimes also called a "Petition"...

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by superjeff
Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Via Air in trouble: majority of flights suspended
Replies: 109
Views: 24525

Re: Via Air in trouble: majority of flights suspended

Via Airlines sold...... https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-ne-via-air-sold-20190711-k7vq45asgjck7jdvhg7h652mcm-story.html Glad they've got new ownership - the previous owners were apparently incapable of operating an airline - but if they can't restart service quickly are they actually going t...

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by superjeff
Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Complaint filed against Boeing and WN over 737 MAX safety issues
Replies: 90
Views: 14539

Re: Boeing and WN sued over 737 MAX safety issues

This seems like a typical attempt at a class action lawsuit. I find it interesting they didn't add United (which also has 73Max equipment), and which also has bought Boeing over the years. Damages claimed and damages awarded are going to come out much later; the possibility is really that the lawyer...

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by superjeff
Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Volaris cancels ABQ-CUU Flights
Replies: 18
Views: 3107

Re: Volaris cancels ABQ-CUU Flights

that's always been the problem with ELP-MEX; there's Juarez just across the border. Unless they come up with a way to do a land bridge, a la SAN and TIJ, it probably won't work. I think there's been some commuter transborder flights out of ELP over the years, but it has been a very very long time si...

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by superjeff
Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:37 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: CLT-AMS AA vs. DL/KL
Replies: 37
Views: 3994

Re: CLT-AMS AA vs. DL/KL

I think MAH4546 is correct. Delta would rather move whatever AMS traffic there is from CLT through either ATL or JFK; I don't think there is enough O&D traffic from CLT to make such a flight viable for them. AA has plenty of feed, but they have enough problems filling planes to AMS from PHL, and...

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by superjeff
Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:45 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Disney launching their own airline?
Replies: 168
Views: 27553

Re: Disney launching their own airline?

The comparison to Carnival is off, as they own a whole bunch of other lines, including Princess, Holland America, and others, in various price classes. The merger of Carnival Airlines with Pan Am II was to create a bigger, stronger airline that could compete. it backfired, as we all know 20 years o...

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by superjeff
Mon Jul 01, 2019 7:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Disney launching their own airline?
Replies: 168
Views: 27553

Re: Disney launching their own airline?

The comparison to Carnival is off, as they own a whole bunch of other lines, including Princess, Holland America, and others, in various price classes. The merger of Carnival Airlines with Pan Am II was to create a bigger, stronger airline that could compete. it backfired, as we all know 20 years on.

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by superjeff
Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 1631
Views: 238986

Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2019

Not all third-party lounges are created the same. From what I've heard, while Centurion Lounges are considered some of the best, "The Club" (which is what MSY is getting) is kinda crap relative to SkyClub or United Club. I think it kind of depends on the particular lounge. Some of "T...

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by superjeff
Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:52 pm
Forum: Trip Reports
Topic: WestJet’s Boeing 787-9 Transatlantic Business Class Experience
Replies: 11
Views: 6706

Re: WestJet’s Boeing 787-9 Transatlantic Business Class Experience

Enjoyed your report, but a couple of nits to pick: the plural of staff is staff, not staffs. Plural of popcorn is popcorn, not popcorns. As for the actual report, I understand that WestJet is converting all of their narrow bodies to a 2 class model, with a 2 x 2 Business Class section (designed to b...

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by superjeff
Thu Jun 27, 2019 4:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AS expands presence at DAL
Replies: 228
Views: 31578

Re: AS expands presence at DAL

With all the growth to the north, i'd think McKinney would be a olace I'd want to set up shop, not expand DAL when more WA restrictions sunset. NIMBYs will keep McKinney from having commercial service which i can understand their plight. DFW has more than enough capacity with its airports. As soon ...

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by superjeff
Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cape air to order and be launch customer of all-electric aircraft
Replies: 84
Views: 10857

Re: Cape air to order and be launch customer of all-electric aircraft

usxguy wrote:
Mokulele is supposed to be testing an electric-powered aircraft on Kahului-Hana sometime later this year.


that's about 26 miles (4 hours by car) and would work for Mokulele to Mokulele connections. Maybe one or two flights a day is all that market will support, 99% tourism.

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by superjeff
Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lockheed pitched five ‘white tail’ L-1011-500s to TWA
Replies: 36
Views: 12412

Re: Lockheed pitched five ‘white tail’ L-1011-500s to TWA

Well said, TW870. Another HUGE advantage NW had that enabled them to make money with 747s and DC-10s, besides their Asia route system, was that they had by far the lowest costs of any US airline. In the 1970s, when Northwest president Donald Nyrop made presentations on Wall Street, he would show tw...

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by superjeff
Mon Jun 24, 2019 12:42 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Largest unserved city pairs due to politics
Replies: 70
Views: 7415

Re: Largest unserved city pairs due to politics

IKA-LAX and IKA-TLV would be up there. BEY-DTW I assume would have a good chunk of traffic. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk here's also a significant Iranian-American (okay, "Persian") population in the DFW area; IKA-DFW might work. I think most of the Jews in Iran left for Israel year...

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by superjeff
Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: History of American's St. Louis Hub
Replies: 46
Views: 6127

Re: History of American's St. Louis Hub

Trans states or at least the same name is still flying erj’s for United out of DEN. Wonder if they were a subsidiary of TWA at one time or just a subcontractor? Trans States was the outgrowth of a company called Resort Air, which served various small towns in the Midwest (I flew them JLN-STL, conne...

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by superjeff
Thu Jun 20, 2019 1:04 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: F9 Could Use A321XLR Order for Transatlantic
Replies: 116
Views: 12861

Re: F9 Could Use A321XLR Order for Transatlantic

[ Inhumane.[/quote] Very inhuman. But in a society where so many people (many without the money needed to do so i.e. us lovely millennials) want to travel to far off distances for cheap...this could be big. Think families willing to save a couple hundred dollars to sacrifice comfort. Idk...I love my...

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by superjeff
Thu Jun 20, 2019 12:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qatar speeds up A380 retirement
Replies: 94
Views: 18175

Re: Qatar speeds up A380 retirement

Why? circle them through HKG or somewhere and get the engine maintained there. Thats exactly what QF does with 744s. Or somewhere in the United States where the engines are made. At one point QF had RR, GE and PW powered 767s onsite. Both Air NZ and SAA with small 744 fleets had both RR and GE 744s...

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by superjeff
Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:41 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Media: AA refuses to supply IG with a spare part causing delays in SFO
Replies: 111
Views: 26403

Re: Media: AA refuses to supply IG with a spare part causing delays in SFO

Oh boy, I wish the forum was still in the old 'paid user' format....... I am pretty much in agreement with you. A couple of years ago, we were flying back to DFW on an AA 767-300 out of Maui. Had a mechanical and AA needed a part. Hawaiian still had their 767-300's and a major mechanical base in HN...

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by superjeff
Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Pleasant Hawaiian Holidays and American Trans Air
Replies: 21
Views: 3919

Re: Pleasant Hawaiian Holidays and American Trans Air

ATA absolutely did sell seats directly to the public on their Hawaii routes. They were, however, as others have said here, primarily selling through Pleasant Hawaiian. Later on, they replaced the L1011's with 757-300's (which mostly ended up with Contnental after they failed)..

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by superjeff
Thu Jun 06, 2019 3:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Media: AA refuses to supply IG with a spare part causing delays in SFO
Replies: 111
Views: 26403

Re: Media: AA refuses to supply IG with a spare part causing delays in SFO

I was not personally affected but I think those who were affected have the right to know that AA had the possibility to make money by selling a spare part AND help people, while they chose to lose money and hinder people. Shareholders also have the right to know it, so they can evaluate AA's manage...

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by superjeff
Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: How did Airlines Fill up Large Widebodies in the Old days?
Replies: 119
Views: 24760

Re: How did Airlines Fill up Large Widebodies in the Old days?

Fares were higher, fuel was cheaper, and most flights operated once a day. Airlines didn't have multiple non-stop transcons between the same two cities like they do now. If you wanted to fly a transcon, you took the one flight there was and that was (potentially) on a 747 because everybody had to t...

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by superjeff
Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Brussels Airlines future narrowbody fleet to be branded as Eurowings
Replies: 62
Views: 12159

Re: Brussels Airlines' integration into EW

I suspect the almagamation of Brussels Airlines into Eurowings is due to overall Lufthansa strategy. Lufthansa being one of the key members of the Star Alliance means that they could easily move Eurowings into the Alliance if they want to do so. It probably boils down to how they plan to fit SN into...

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by superjeff
Sat May 25, 2019 2:16 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Motley Fool 5.19.2019 - Southwest Inter-Island Service, "doing extraordinarily well."
Replies: 70
Views: 11464

Re: Motley Fool 5.19.2019 - Southwest Inter-Island Service, "doing extraordinarily well."

What percentage of Hawaii’s economy comes from tourism? Can't quote a percentage but it is pretty significant. Government is a lesser percentage than years ago, and Hawaii is of significantly less importance as a stopover/refueling location on international flights. Tourism is, I think, by far the ...

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by superjeff
Fri May 24, 2019 4:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Motley Fool 5.19.2019 - Southwest Inter-Island Service, "doing extraordinarily well."
Replies: 70
Views: 11464

Re: Motley Fool 5.19.2019 - Southwest Inter-Island Service, "doing extraordinarily well."

Still skeptical about the long term viability of WN in Hawaii interisland. Their capacity at HNL is extremely limited and HA will have something to say about any WN expansion. Stuff like opening up a line to a small market like ITO is plain idiotic. Frankly Hawaii is a saturated market. There's tal...

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by superjeff
Thu May 23, 2019 12:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines MD-80 Retirement Discussion Thread
Replies: 652
Views: 133689

Re: What's the AA MD-80 retirement schedule!?

i', booked on one DFW-OKC on June 10th, which I guess will be my last chance to fly on one. I'm going to miss these comfortable airplanes. Especially the 2-3 seating in coach.

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by superjeff
Thu May 23, 2019 12:47 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DFW Announces Terminal F Plans & C Renovations
Replies: 83
Views: 10910

Re: DFW Announces Terminal F Plans & C Renovations

When DFW was built, Terminal A was used by Texas International and {the original) Frontier Airlines, Terminal B by Braniff (which was then the biggest carrier at DFW), Terminal C by American and Eastern (but AA by far the bigger), and Terminal E by Continental (about 4 gates), and Delta. (the iindi...

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by superjeff
Tue May 21, 2019 3:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DFW Announces Terminal F Plans & C Renovations
Replies: 83
Views: 10910

Re: DFW Announces Terminal F Plans & C Renovations

These asbestos rumors in Terminal C have persisted on this site, but is there any documentation of this? The timing just doesn't make sense. If all of the original terminals had asbestos, that would make sense, but any renovations to 3E after the original opening to make individual gate areas would...

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by superjeff
Sun May 19, 2019 9:33 pm
Forum: Trip Reports
Topic: American Airlines 767-300 Business Class Zurich to Philadelphia (Pictures/Videos)
Replies: 6
Views: 9339

Re: American Airlines 767-300 Business Class Zurich to Philadelphia (Pictures/Videos)

I have found AA's international business class to be really good. Food is a hit or miss, however their seats are really good... besides this one. I honestly prefer AA's 788 Zodiac seats over this one, and thankfully the 763 is being replaced by them. However, I'm betting that the newer 788s that wi...

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by superjeff
Sun May 19, 2019 9:18 pm
Forum: Trip Reports
Topic: AA First Class: ORD-LGA (w/pics)
Replies: 3
Views: 4989

Re: AA First Class: ORD-LGA (w/pics)

Enjoyed your report. Thanks for posting.

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by superjeff
Sun May 19, 2019 8:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airport PAST: Dallas Love Field - Southwest 727 Braniff 747 Delta 747 plus
Replies: 61
Views: 8884

Re: Airport PAST: Dallas Love Field - Southwest 727 Braniff 747 Delta 747 plus

Few things. I rode on the Delta 747 ATL-DAL-SFO-ATL in 73. Non-revel with my mom for my 9th birthday present! Some of the SW 727 from AA or BN were not leased(or that is what the paperwork said) but was a settlement for a reservation settlement issue. Zero dollar lease if you will. I have a 6 foot ...

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by superjeff
Sun May 19, 2019 8:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airport PAST: Dallas Love Field - Southwest 727 Braniff 747 Delta 747 plus
Replies: 61
Views: 8884

Re: Airport PAST: Dallas Love Field - Southwest 727 Braniff 747 Delta 747 plus

Braniff originally ordered two 747s in the late 1960s, but cancelled the second one before it would have been delivered in early 1971. Had this aircraft been delivered, it would have been painted green, and referred to as "the big watermelon". For many years, there was a model made in the...

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by superjeff
Sat May 18, 2019 7:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airport PAST: Dallas Love Field - Southwest 727 Braniff 747 Delta 747 plus
Replies: 61
Views: 8884

Re: Airport PAST: Dallas Love Field - Southwest 727 Braniff 747 Delta 747 plus

You seem to have this Braniff design issue nailed. So clarify if you can for me, the stages of liveries beginning with 1950s scheme on the 1st 707 to the final - Ultra? (not including the Braniff III white grey/blue design). Thanks! BN747 The "End of the Plain Plane" livery (developed by ...

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by superjeff
Fri May 17, 2019 1:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airport PAST: Dallas Love Field - Southwest 727 Braniff 747 Delta 747 plus
Replies: 61
Views: 8884

Re: Airport PAST: Dallas Love Field - Southwest 727 Braniff 747 Delta 747 plus

Thanks for the post. That video is awesome, some really great aircraft shots. Where would DL fly a 747 to from Love Field? In 1974, Delta had 8 flights from Dallas to Atlanta. 5 narrowbodies, an L-1011, and 2 747's. Hey BooDog, thanks for that info. Would have been awesome to be in FC on a 747 from...

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by superjeff
Fri May 17, 2019 1:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airport PAST: Dallas Love Field - Southwest 727 Braniff 747 Delta 747 plus
Replies: 61
Views: 8884

Re: Airport PAST: Dallas Love Field - Southwest 727 Braniff 747 Delta 747 plus

Thanks for the post. That video is awesome, some really great aircraft shots. Where would DL fly a 747 to from Love Field? In 1974, Delta had 8 flights from Dallas to Atlanta. 5 narrowbodies, an L-1011, and 2 747's. Hey BooDog, thanks for that info. Would have been awesome to be in FC on a 747 from...

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by superjeff
Fri May 17, 2019 1:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airport PAST: Dallas Love Field - Southwest 727 Braniff 747 Delta 747 plus
Replies: 61
Views: 8884

Re: Airport PAST: Dallas Love Field - Southwest 727 Braniff 747 Delta 747 plus

Len Morgan RIP was a Braniff pilot and a 747 Captain, he had a regular column in Flying magazine If I remember correctly from an article of his BN flew the 747 from Love field to London Gatwick ? That is correct, from when the route was originally awarded to Braniff, until when they shut down, DFW-...

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by superjeff
Fri May 17, 2019 1:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airport PAST: Dallas Love Field - Southwest 727 Braniff 747 Delta 747 plus
Replies: 61
Views: 8884

Re: Airport PAST: Dallas Love Field - Southwest 727 Braniff 747 Delta 747 plus

it could have been. Braniff had its operations and maintenance base at DAL until pretty close to the end. But the airplane where those airstairs were attached had the original "End of the Plain Plane" livery, so I guess they had that typeface even in the late 1960's. No. The typeface on t...

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by superjeff
Fri May 17, 2019 12:57 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Climate Change - Is aviation heading for a slump?
Replies: 96
Views: 10681

Re: Climate Change - Is aviation heading for a slump?

Despite the huge backlog in new orders, particularly NB’s, could the industry actually be facing a 9/11 style depression caused by Climate Change? Interestingly, and it is rarely mentioned, the USA are already applying a hefty amount of taxes on air travel, including a tax on fuel on domestic fligh...

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by superjeff
Tue May 14, 2019 1:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airport PAST: Dallas Love Field - Southwest 727 Braniff 747 Delta 747 plus
Replies: 61
Views: 8884

Re: Airport PAST: Dallas Love Field - Southwest 727 Braniff 747 Delta 747 plus

Great video. I noticed the Braniff airstairs with the Ultra stylized logo. Was this at Love? it could have been. Braniff had its operations and maintenance base at DAL until pretty close to the end. But the airplane where those airstairs were attached had the original "End of the Plain Plane&q...

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by superjeff
Mon May 13, 2019 2:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Great Dane Airlines - New Danish airline
Replies: 62
Views: 12123

Re: Great Dane Airlines - New Danish airline

I haven't laughed so much at a thread since when they first discovered Icelandair carried fish! Woof to all!!

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by superjeff
Mon May 13, 2019 2:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WN announces service to ITO
Replies: 93
Views: 14804

Re: WN announces service to ITO

United flew DC-8s and Pan Am flew 707s LAX to ITO early 1970s flew each several times As a college kid from Hawaii who attended school on the mainland, I can remember flying HNL-ITO-DAL on a Boeing 707-320 of Braniff International in January, 1970. About half of the passengers boarded in HNL, the o...

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by superjeff
Sat May 11, 2019 4:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Something wrong with Boeing's safety culture?
Replies: 369
Views: 50098

Re: Something wrong with Boeing's safety culture?

This happens every time their is a high profile crash. I remember the DC-10 hysteria in the late 1970's. Boeing made mistakes with the max but they do not build unsafe aircraft. Neither does Airbus. The problems will be fixed. People need to chill. Nobody wanted or expected this to happen. I have t...

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by superjeff
Fri May 10, 2019 7:24 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Is Delta truly a one hub airline?
Replies: 71
Views: 11260

Re: Is Delta truly a one hub airline.

Here is the truth about Atlanta as a hub. It is within a two hour flight of 80% of the population, and has one of the most efficient terminal layouts (for planes) and space on the East coast. Atlanta meets the needs of many people in smaller towns across the south , east, and midwest in making conn...

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by superjeff
Fri May 10, 2019 3:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why didn't Delta fly International out of DFW?
Replies: 69
Views: 9689

Re: Why didn't Delta fly International out of DFW?

When I was looking at this website that shows daily departures from DL's DFW hub http://www.departedflights.com/DLDFWhub.html I noticed that there are no long-haul international flights out of DFW? Can you tell me why? Back when Delta had their DFW hub, they flew TriStars nonstop DFW-FRA daily (the...

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by superjeff
Thu May 09, 2019 1:17 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Goodbye BAC 1-11!
Replies: 121
Views: 22005

Re: Goodbye BAC 1-11!

The BAC 1-11 was one if my Dad's favorite aircraft at Braniff. One of my faves as well. I flew on a couple when I worked there, the most recent being their last one (it had the orange paint job) which they used as a tag on to BN 502 HNL-DFW (747)-ATL (111) and BN 501 ATL-DFW (111) - HNL (and I also...

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by superjeff
Wed May 08, 2019 12:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Yamal Airlines cancels remaining SSJ order
Replies: 42
Views: 7640

Re: Yamal Airlines cancels remaining SSJ order

The SSJ was on thin ice at the best of times, the crash this weekend, even if proven to be unrelated to the airframe, certainly doesn't help its situation. I believe it was not certified to fly in US nor Canadian airspace, likely because it attracted no interest here, with the superior Bombardier &...

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by superjeff
Tue May 07, 2019 6:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Continental Micronesia Extended Routes
Replies: 39
Views: 5797

Re: Continental Micronesia Extended Routes

Wikipedia states that Air Micronesia has previously served ITO. I don’t believe that is correct. CO served ITO from the mainland in the early-1970s though. Anyone know for sure if Air Mike ever served ITO? Never did. Air Mike was a joint venture between CO and the original Aloha Airlines (AQ). Aloh...

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by superjeff
Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: When did Southwest begin NYC service?
Replies: 23
Views: 2899

Re: When did Southwest begin NYC service?

I agree that this thread may be a waste, but Southwest doesn't interline. JFK primarily serves international connections. the only reason to go to JFK would be for interline feed. Southwest's operating model doesn't want that.

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by superjeff
Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: After Summer, AA Ramps Up At JFK
Replies: 25
Views: 6370

Re: After Summer, AA Ramps Up At JFK

What I find interesting here is the continuing theme that New York is the center of the universe. Frankly, it isn't. AA serves the area from its hubs and with limited point to point service. They do not intend it to be a hub because they don't need it to be a hub - they have Philadelphia. Like many ...

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by superjeff
Sun Apr 07, 2019 2:44 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Jet Bridges to service two different aircraft?
Replies: 26
Views: 5716

Re: Jet Bridges

Are there jet bridges that that break off into a Y formation for servicing two planes at once? I could see this working for small terminals with space constraints. American has a number of gates at DFW where one entrance breaks off into two jetways; some of them, back in the day, were used where wi...

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