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by WN732
Thu Sep 26, 2019 2:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019
Replies: 606
Views: 102352

Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

ATL picks up MEM 2x daily. Very nice adds from WN. Looks like they are fully betting on the MAX returning sometime between now and Spring.

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by WN732
Tue Sep 24, 2019 5:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: KLM delays AUS until March 2021
Replies: 114
Views: 21220

Re: KLM starts AUS S20

Disappointed to see this flight not operated on Delta metal since AUS was recently named a DL focus city. But why fly it on your own metal when you can have a partner do it instead and share the revenue. Delta's international strategy sure is interesting. Anyways, good for AUS. What a boomtown. Wer...

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by WN732
Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:24 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ed Bastian: SkyTeam Failed
Replies: 68
Views: 20510

Re: Ed Bastian: SkyTeam Failed

Unfortunately SkyTeam has always been in last place as far as alliances go. They have limited reach in certain parts of the world that OneWorld and Star have a definite advantage.

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by WN732
Wed Sep 18, 2019 8:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WN2574 diverts to MGE (Dobbins ARB, GA)
Replies: 38
Views: 6903

Re: WN2574 diverts to MGE (Dobbins ARB, GA)

I’m curious if there’s any WN pilots here than can chime in. Typically if an airport is not defined in your OpSpecs as an alternate airport, you don’t have charts for that airport. At least that’s how it is at my airline. I am not a pilot so maybe this is a dumb question, but with electronic chart ...

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by WN732
Wed Sep 18, 2019 4:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL explanation on checking carry on bags
Replies: 97
Views: 16226

Re: Laughable DL explanation on checking carry on bags

Check the bag. Really, just check the bag. The few $ you save on carrying it on is balalnced out by the stupid levels of stress, and angst that comes later. Imagine paying $25 to lose that worry. It's all in the mindset. $25 paid and the slim but very real chance that my bag will not come down the ...

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by WN732
Wed Sep 18, 2019 4:25 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WN2574 diverts to MGE (Dobbins ARB, GA)
Replies: 38
Views: 6903

Re: WN2574 diverts to MGE (Dobbins ARB, GA)

Any info? I don't think there's any facilities there to handle pax. I know ATL had weather, but surely they had better alternates. Perhaps this was more of a fuel situation. Or the possibility that they would run into the same conditions at the published alternate. And I am sure that everyone and t...

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by WN732
Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:41 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Will anyone pick up AA’s retired MD80’s ?
Replies: 50
Views: 11861

Re: Will anyone pick up AA’s retired MD80’s ?

You could assume that the planes are well maintained. You could also assume that AA has run many of the components close to the number of hours or cycles where they need to be replaced or stripped and rebuilt. Any sensible airline knowing they are removing a long-out-of-production type from their f...

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by WN732
Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Could an unpressurised passenger jet ever become competitive?
Replies: 71
Views: 10543

Re: Could an unpressurised passenger jet ever become competitive?

Karlsands wrote:
No, can’t fly below 14k without full oxygen and even at 12,500 you only have 30 mins , come on mate


Pilots need oxygen at 12.5 and everyone needs it at 14 and above.

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by WN732
Fri Sep 06, 2019 4:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines MD-80 Retirement Discussion Thread
Replies: 652
Views: 133432

Re: American Airlines MD-80 Retirement Discussion Thread

Does the MD-87 consume more fuel than the DC-9-50? The MD-80 era is not over yet. There is still an MD-82 and an MD-83 in active service. They are currently on the tarmac at TUL and can be used as hot spares when called upon. The era will not be officially over until the final frame lands in ROW or...

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by WN732
Fri Sep 06, 2019 4:20 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: How will Hawaiian react to competition from Southwest?
Replies: 88
Views: 13017

Re: How will Hawaiian react to competition from Southwest?

seat1a wrote:
Slightly off-topic, does anyone know what routes are currently flown by HA A321NEO's?


OAK/SJC/LGB/PDX for sure and maybe LAS/SAN?

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by WN732
Fri Sep 06, 2019 4:16 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines MD-80 Retirement Discussion Thread
Replies: 652
Views: 133432

Re: American Airlines MD-80 Retirement Discussion Thread

Same reason most airlines didn't. I remember the -87 at Midway I. They were the launch customer. Nice planes. I believe I heard much later they were pretty heavy for its size. I think it was pretty much a DC9-50 with new engines and some tail modifications. Does the MD-87 consume more fuel than the...

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by WN732
Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 1207
Views: 190916

Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2019

Interestingly SAN had several diversions due to thunderstorms yesterday. My grandparent's flight was delayed because the inbound ended up in Long Beach. That is quite a rare event down there.

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by WN732
Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why did AA go with cloth on the MD80 seats and DL leather?
Replies: 39
Views: 8593

Re: Why did AA go with cloth on the MD80 seats and DL leather?

    Karlsands wrote:
      umichman wrote:
      How long has Southwest had leather seats? (Although, apparently the new ones are "E-Leather" which I presume means "fake").[/quo
      After the 80s


      When did they switch to the brown fabric seats?

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      by WN732
      Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:41 pm
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: AS announces San Luis Obispo from PDX & SAN
      Replies: 85
      Views: 9568

      Re: AS announces San Luis Obispo from PDX & SAN

      SAN-SBP is already well served by Amtrak. Not sure who’ll fly this route who isn’t connecting. Those who would choose not to drive would be better off taking the train. That train service is garbage. Don't forget the ghetto stop at LA Union station. It's one thing to do San Diego - LA but all the w...

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      by WN732
      Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:26 am
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: AS announces San Luis Obispo from PDX & SAN
      Replies: 85
      Views: 9568

      Re: AS announces San Luis Obispo from PDX & SAN

      SAN-SBP is already well served by Amtrak. Not sure who’ll fly this route who isn’t connecting. Those who would choose not to drive would be better off taking the train. That train service is garbage. Don't forget the ghetto stop at LA Union station. It's one thing to do San Diego - LA but all the w...

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      by WN732
      Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:52 pm
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: American Airlines MD-80 Retirement Discussion Thread
      Replies: 652
      Views: 133432

      Re: American Airlines MD-80 Retirement Discussion Thread

      AWACSooner wrote:
      blacksoviet wrote:
      Is the A319 now the fleet workhorse?

      Not even close to the numbers they have on 738's and 321's...


      Dougie loves himself some 321.

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      by WN732
      Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:31 pm
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: AUS eyes nonstop flights to 7 interc’l destinations: AMS, BJS, DUB, CDG, ICN, PVG, TYO
      Replies: 227
      Views: 32801

      Re: AUS eyes nonstop flights to DUB, CDG, ICN, PVG, TYO

      Great Circle Ranges AUS to: DUB 4,029 nm CDG 4,440 nm The new A321XLR (extra long range) can go up to 4,700 nm under still air conditions. That probably means that Dublin would be within range, but probably not Paris. Right now Hawaiian Airlines flies their A321neos as far as Phoenix. Possibly if t...

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      by WN732
      Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:30 pm
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: AUS eyes nonstop flights to 7 interc’l destinations: AMS, BJS, DUB, CDG, ICN, PVG, TYO
      Replies: 227
      Views: 32801

      Re: AUS eyes nonstop flights to 7 interc’l destinations: AMS, BJS, DUB, CDG, ICN, PVG, TYO

      AUS is the #14 worst traffic city in the country this year, which really isn't all that bad. The main question is why NYC, BOS, Chicago, DC are worse than L.A. at this point? That's highly concerning as they all have better mass transit than L.A. and AUS barely has any mass transit: https://www.bus...

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      by WN732
      Tue Sep 03, 2019 5:46 am
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: American Airlines MD-80 Retirement Discussion Thread
      Replies: 652
      Views: 133432

      Re: American Airlines MD-80 Retirement Discussion Thread

      blacksoviet wrote:
      Why didn't Crandall order the MD-87?


      Same reason most airlines didn't.

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      by WN732
      Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:43 am
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: AUS eyes nonstop flights to 7 interc’l destinations: AMS, BJS, DUB, CDG, ICN, PVG, TYO
      Replies: 227
      Views: 32801

      Re: AUS eyes nonstop flights to 7 interc’l destinations: AMS, BJS, DUB, CDG, ICN, PVG, TYO

      People love to crap on Texas but I find almost no one knows anything about it. In my line of work I encounter people from all over. I met a girl from NYC that was scared to come to Houston for training because shes black. Houston is one of the most diverse cities in the world and top 5 for diversit...

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      by WN732
      Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:13 pm
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: How will Hawaiian react to competition from Southwest?
      Replies: 88
      Views: 13017

      Re: How will Hawaiian react to competition from Southwest?

      ^^^ What exactly could the state government do to regulate what airlines were successful or not? Are you suggesting they could give preferential treatment to one airline and discriminate against another US airline? Doesn't the state allocate gates and or build extensions onto terminals? If Southwes...

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      by WN732
      Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:28 am
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: AUS eyes nonstop flights to 7 interc’l destinations: AMS, BJS, DUB, CDG, ICN, PVG, TYO
      Replies: 227
      Views: 32801

      Re: AUS eyes nonstop flights to 7 interc’l destinations: AMS, BJS, DUB, CDG, ICN, PVG, TYO

      Sad, isn’t it. So sad that states lose their identity and what made the unique when ‘outsiders’ move and change the culture. I'm sorry, but the identity of Texas before high-tech Austin and massive immigration is not something anyone would shed a single tear over. As an African American living in T...

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      by WN732
      Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:13 am
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: OAG Changes 9/1/2019:AS Massive Changes, Drops SAN-ABQ/ELP/MCI/MSP/OMA/STL,SFO-ABQ/MCI,LAXPHL,BURSJC;AA Adds FAI-DFW/ORD
      Replies: 125
      Views: 21186

      Re: OAG Changes 9/1/2019:AS Massive Changes, Drops SAN-ABQ/ELP/MCI/MSP/OMA/STL,SFO-ABQ/MCI,LAXPHL,BURSJC;AA Adds FAI-DFW

      Every week it seems that they're cutting JFK flights. I bet that hub is first to go in the next recession. It’s really not a connection hub and hasn’t been for a long time it’s a large OD /international gateway hub. The international part is shifting more towards PHL not much to go. If The OD part ...

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      by WN732
      Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:07 pm
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: OAG Changes 9/1/2019:AS Massive Changes, Drops SAN-ABQ/ELP/MCI/MSP/OMA/STL,SFO-ABQ/MCI,LAXPHL,BURSJC;AA Adds FAI-DFW/ORD
      Replies: 125
      Views: 21186

      Re: OAG Changes 9/1/2019:AS Massive Changes, Drops SAN-ABQ/ELP/MCI/MSP/OMA/STL,SFO-ABQ/MCI,LAXPHL,BURSJC;AA Adds FAI-DFW

      lavalampluva wrote:
      I wonder if all the AS cuts are due to the MAX issue. Their SAN numbers always seemed pretty high.


      Many of those are directly competing with WN. Not saying that SAN was a failure for them, but they are not going to beat WN head to head. BUR-SJC, SAN-ELP, are two glaring examples.

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      by WN732
      Sat Aug 31, 2019 5:10 am
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: AA's Summer From Hell
      Replies: 95
      Views: 20529

      Re: AA's Summer From Hell

      I recently flew AA on two MD80 flights. It was a similar experience to flying other airlines. However I found that boarding on both occasions was a complete mess. The inflight service was decent but that also seemed highly inefficient and slow. But other than that it was on par with United. Delta an...

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      by WN732
      Fri Aug 30, 2019 1:35 pm
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: AUS eyes nonstop flights to 7 interc’l destinations: AMS, BJS, DUB, CDG, ICN, PVG, TYO
      Replies: 227
      Views: 32801

      Re: AUS eyes nonstop flights to 7 interc’l destinations: AMS, BJS, DUB, CDG, ICN, PVG, TYO

      IMO the comparison with Boston is quite accurate. AUS is a much smaller market (which some posters don't seem to understand this is not what we are arguing about :)) but there are certain similarities (tourism, universities, tech economy). Boston has also JFK/EWR about 4 hours-drive. I bet only 10 ...

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      by WN732
      Thu Aug 29, 2019 11:58 pm
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: Burbank Airport Aviation Thread - 2018/2019
      Replies: 218
      Views: 29875

      Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

      https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2019/08 ... ports/amp/


      LOL 8 planes in 24 minutes. Imagine how people in Inglewood feel lol
      -->

      cynlb wrote:
      Residents Sound Off Over Plane Noise From Burbank
      https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2019/08 ... ports/amp/


      LOL 8 planes in 24 minutes. Imagine how people in Inglewood feel lol

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      by WN732
      Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:08 pm
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: 2020 SNA Slot Allocation released
      Replies: 104
      Views: 19883

      Re: 2020 SNA Slot Allocation released

      Although ONT has had a terrible decline, you cannot deny the recent resurgence in flights which shows no signs of letting up. ONT is throwing money at airlines. More interesting will be when the incentives run out and flights must stand on their own feet. Also sooner or later a recession will arriv...

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      by WN732
      Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:53 pm
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: 2020 SNA Slot Allocation released
      Replies: 104
      Views: 19883

      Re: 2020 SNA Slot Allocation released

      Someone enlighten me....why do they punish their top carrier (WN), who presumably brings them the most revenue etc., but keeps reducing their slot count each year? Seems to me the process is too arbitrary. That's okay. ONT, LAX, and BUR will be happy to take the money generated by the shortsighted ...

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      by WN732
      Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:40 pm
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: 2020 SNA Slot Allocation released
      Replies: 104
      Views: 19883

      Re: 2020 SNA Slot Allocation released

      heretothere wrote:
      AS currently has up to 26 daily flights scheduled out of SNA. How is this possible if they only had 21 slots this year?


      Is it all mainline or is it shared with OO and QX? I believe some of that would fall under the "Regional carrier slots" which are seperate.

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      by WN732
      Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:36 pm
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: 2020 SNA Slot Allocation released
      Replies: 104
      Views: 19883

      Re: 2020 SNA Slot Allocation released

      Someone enlighten me....why do they punish their top carrier (WN), who presumably brings them the most revenue etc., but keeps reducing their slot count each year? Seems to me the process is too arbitrary. That's okay. ONT, LAX, and BUR will be happy to take the money generated by the shortsighted ...

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      by WN732
      Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:34 pm
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: 2020 SNA Slot Allocation released
      Replies: 104
      Views: 19883

      Re: 2020 SNA Slot Allocation released

      More airport stupidity in SoCal, what else is new.

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      by WN732
      Thu Aug 29, 2019 1:10 am
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: Alaska Airlines California Strategy
      Replies: 102
      Views: 19505

      Re: Alaska Airlines California Strategy

      Yeah, these cuts/changes seem to have all been made since the weekend: SAN-ABQ/OMA/STL now end Nov 4 while SAN-ELP/MCI/MSP end Jan 6. The new SAN-RDM flight begins Jan 7. On Sunday's OAG thread none of these cuts or any of the adds coming later in 2020 appeared. I'll be curious to see what other ne...

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      by WN732
      Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:32 pm
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: Midwest Express Route Announcements-August 28th
      Replies: 261
      Views: 49809

      Re: Midwest Express Route Announcements-August 28th

      GRR, CVG, and OMA. Very nice. I hope this airline can make it.

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      by WN732
      Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:13 pm
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: Alaska Airlines California Strategy
      Replies: 102
      Views: 19505

      Re: Alaska Airlines California Strategy

      When do you see that? I've checked thru the limit for the flight schedules (July 23) and I sure don't see any SAN-MCI service after Jan 6. That route is history in 2020. And it looks like at least 6 others are gone as well: DAL, STL, ABQ, ELP, OMA and MSP. That's a pretty deep and painful cut to SA...

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      by WN732
      Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:04 am
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2019
      Replies: 1207
      Views: 190916

      Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2019

      blacksoviet wrote:
      When did the last MD-80 depart SAN?


      They come in often as World Atlantic is performing flights for CBP.

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      by WN732
      Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:47 pm
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: Burbank Airport Aviation Thread - 2018/2019
      Replies: 218
      Views: 29875

      Re: Burbank Airport on a roll in 2018!

      Where are they at on the new terminal these days? With 14 gates they can probably pump out 120 departures a day with no problem, maybe more. The gate count isn't changing between the old and new terminals so its very unlikely that WN will even get to 100 departures a day. That was yet another compl...

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      by WN732
      Tue Aug 27, 2019 2:03 pm
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: Unconfirmed: BA to make major 2020 TATL expansion later this week
      Replies: 158
      Views: 32929

      Re: Unconfirmed: BA to make major 2020 TATL expansion later this week

      I'll throw a hat in the ring... Less than daily 787 to SMF, just like MSY.

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      by WN732
      Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:42 am
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: Spirit Airlines looking at larger aircraft from Boeing
      Replies: 62
      Views: 12968

      Re: Spirit Airlines looking at larger aircraft from Boeing

      Airways magazine back in 2006 said that Southwest was interested in the 787.......... Nothingburger.

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      by WN732
      Tue Aug 27, 2019 2:37 am
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: SFO Runway 28L closure - How Bad?
      Replies: 144
      Views: 28251

      Re: SFO Runway 28L closure - How Bad?

      This is going to be bad. SFO barely gets by on a good day. Fortunately, CA rarely gets any sort of weather in September so that won't add any further delays, but it's not going to be good at all.

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      by WN732
      Mon Aug 26, 2019 7:18 pm
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: Future of AA hub at PHX
      Replies: 103
      Views: 12396

      Re: Future of AA hub at PHX

      PHX also isn’t the least profitable hub. I forgot which thread it was but I believe numbers were posted showing MIA and LAX as less profitable (potentially JFK as well). I definitely see this. LAX is a must have market but consistently has trash fares on popular routes since there is just so much c...

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      by WN732
      Sun Aug 25, 2019 5:04 pm
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: OAG Changes 8/25/2019: WN Moves Cuts to NOV;AA STS-DFW/LAX;DL Reduces PUJ
      Replies: 51
      Views: 11035

      Re: OAG Changes 8/25/2019: WN Moves Cuts to NOV;AA STS-DFW/LAX;DL Reduces PUJ

      Interesting to see what cities get extra love from WN. Some unexpected like ABQ and IND.

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      by WN732
      Sun Aug 25, 2019 12:27 am
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: American Airlines MD-80 Retirement Discussion Thread
      Replies: 652
      Views: 133432

      Re: American Airlines MD-80 Retirement Discussion Thread

      Yeah I guess that makes sense; it's one thing to fly an old aircraft, another thing to fly an old aircraft whose numbers are low and support is all but available anymore. Today Austin is scheduled to receive our last MD-80 on AA. They have been Saturday only since mid July. Currently over Waco! It'...

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      by WN732
      Sat Aug 24, 2019 1:17 pm
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: American Airlines MD-80 Retirement Discussion Thread
      Replies: 652
      Views: 133432

      Re: American Airlines MD-80 Retirement Discussion Thread

      Today Austin is scheduled to receive our last MD-80 on AA. They have been Saturday only since mid July.

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      by WN732
      Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:58 am
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019
      Replies: 606
      Views: 102352

      Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

      N759GS ferried ATL-GWO earlier today. Supposedly, this is the first -700 to be retired. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N759GS How many -700s is WN planning on leaving the fleet in the near future? This appears to be a WN owned aircraft and is separate from the 19 leased frames that are going t...

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      by WN732
      Mon Aug 19, 2019 3:54 am
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019
      Replies: 606
      Views: 102352

      Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

      I am surprised that WN hasn't reduced frequencies on ATL-LGA nonstop service when (a) WN already dropped ATL-DTW, ATL-MSP, and ATL-SEA nonstop service, (b) WN is going to be discontinuing ATL-BOS nonstop service in January, and (c) WN is gong to be reducing ATL-LAX to 2 daily nonstops from 3 daily ...

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      by WN732
      Fri Aug 16, 2019 2:46 pm
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2019
      Replies: 1207
      Views: 190916

      Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2019

      What if the Navy moved the aircraft carriers to Washington and Hawaii? North Island could be a huge airport and could become the main airport for San Diego. The bridge could easily handle all the traffic and the ferry could be reintroduced from Downtown. Intercontinental flights should benefit beca...

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      by WN732
      Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:31 pm
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: Southwest, a stalwart Boeing 737 MAX customer, eyes other jets
      Replies: 204
      Views: 37023

      Re: Southwest, a stalwart Boeing 737 MAX customer, eyes other jets

      ... I think - the A223/ 195E2 are going to be 4-5t lighter than A319/737-7 for the same seat capacity - airlines like the big savvy quiet geared turbo fans and that refuses to go away for the 737-7. Moxy and Delta A223 are flying in regardless.And Jetblue. I think the MAX-7/8/10 line up is ideal fo...

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      by WN732
      Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:37 am
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019
      Replies: 606
      Views: 102352

      Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

      So when do all the wild, meaningless and ridiculous speculation and rumors begin regarding tomorrow's schedule release? There certainly must be more than what's been said so far -- a couple of new Hawaii routes (yawn*) and CZM? Is that going to have to do? (* WN's viewpoint, not mine.) This is as g...

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      by WN732
      Wed Aug 14, 2019 3:44 pm
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019
      Replies: 606
      Views: 102352

      Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

      There is an article in the Denver Post that said that WN could add 100 more flights out of DEN if it gets the 16 additional gates that it requested, and that article can be found at https://www.denverpost.com/2019/08/14/southwest-airlines-denver-airport-watterson/ . I hope they do. Denver is in a g...

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