The 787 fuselage may be too much to use as a starting point for MOM. As mentioned 787 holds two LD3 cargo containers size by size. I think MoM only needs to carry one. Boeing may have to meet an aggressive selling price so may go with aluminum fuselage and composite wing like 777X also.
I guess BA did not shoot for the 757-200 specs with this one. Go for 4000 nautical miles and 180 seats 2 class. Looks like they added 12 seats and the range probably has decreased. Too bad they didnt use LEAP-1A to get more thrust and carry more fuel and use the retracting landing gear like on the A...Jump to post
I think the 737-10 will be launched. Seems like it just needs higher thrust engines, shortening landing gear like on Airbus A330 and additional fuel capacity. MoM would depend on what airlines are willing to pay. Boeing could just ask Safran to do the gear as they provide the one for the A330.
Over the memorial weekend I got an opportunity to fly <acronym title="Newark - Liberty International (Metropolitan) (EWR / KEWR), USA - New Jersey">EWR</acronym> to <acronym title="San Francisco - International (SFO / KSFO), USA - California">SFO</acronym> and back on United 757-200. <acronym title=...Jump to post
<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/hoMsaR" class="quote" target="_blank">hoMsaR</a> (<a href="#51" class="quote">Reply 51</a>):<br/><i>The 737 can do the route perfectly fine. <ac...Jump to post
I am sure the airlines are regretting the same. Just flew ewr to SFO on UA 757, all 10 flights per day on this route uses the 757. Guess the 737 can't do it.
Boeing couldn't do a 757NG also cause there was no new engine available. It had to compete with 737NG having new wing and engines starting in 1997. Orders dried up after 9/11. 737NG also had economies of scale production. Wonder if <acronym title="Royal Air Force (United Kingdom)">RR</acronym> could...Jump to post
I dont think P&W <acronym title="Great Falls - International (GTF / KGTF), USA - Montana">GTF</acronym> is needed for 737-10. Just putting LEAP-1A engine with bigger fan with additional belly fuel tanks and shortening landing gear like on the Airbus A330 would do. LEAP-1A will provide 5K pounds ...Jump to post
I am not sure Boeing can reduce the cost of producing the 787 further, they are already at high volume rate. Another factor is that the a330 is probably selling cheap, that also puts pressure on price BA can get for 787.
Seems like the composite 787 is expensive to build. Wonder how Airbus is doing with similar A350. Probably makes sense to just build the wing composite like in the 777X.
Apparently the A330/A340 main landing gear also shortens while retracting. So minimal change to 737-9 Max would be add a few inches length, LEAP1A engines, shortening landing gear, few auxiliary tanks to get 757 replacement.
<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/JetBuddy" class="quote" target="_blank">JetBuddy</a> (<a href="#126" class="quote">Reply 126</a>):<br/><i>The -9 MAX will most likely have a 3,5...Jump to post
Concorde's main landing gear shortens during retraction process apparently <a href="http://www.concordesst.com/gear.html" target="_blank">http://www.concordesst.com/gear.html</a> Boeing would have to look at something similar if they are to extend the main landing gear another 8 inches or so. sv11Jump to post
Well a new plane might cost $10bil. Boeing doesn't have the appetite to build one, the airlines are not willing to pay a premium compared to cheap 737-Max,A320neo. So a minimum change would be to extend 737-9 fuselage a few inches, maybe put in a few auxiliary tanks (no change in wing). Putting the ...Jump to post
BA will probably use the A321neo LEAP engine with 5K more thrust, design a new main landing gear for it, a bigger wing to carry more fuel (4000 nautical miles) and extend the fuselage for more seats.
LEAP-1A on a321neo has 5K pounds thrust extra. If it could be hung on 737-9Max, you could maybe get 4000 miles and 757 replacement. But <acronym title="British Airways">BA</acronym> already lengthened the nose gear on 737MAX to accomodate LEAP-1B. Not sure if they can also lengthen the main landing ...Jump to post
Wonder if Boeing can fit the LEAP-1A engine on the A321neo on the 737-9Max to get additional thrust and range. The fan is 8.6 inches bigger in diameter. Not sure if BA can do something to the landing gear.
Most of the 757s in service are stated to be replaced by 737-9max or A321neo. Delta has 87 757s in domestic config as per wiki and older ones to be replaced by 737-900er. So it comes down to the 100 or so 757s flying long thin routes to Europe and S.America which dont have any replacement. <acronym ...Jump to post
<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/astuteman" class="quote" target="_blank">astuteman</a> (<a href="#42" class="quote">Reply 42</a>):<br/><i>This is an analysis of what you can "s...Jump to post
What would the market for a 757 sized plane be today with 5000 nautical miles. Looking at some potential customers: N.America <acronym title="American Airlines (USA)">AA</acronym>,United, Delta - 50 planes each for going to Europe and S.America? S.America Latam - 25 planes to go to N.America? Europe...Jump to post
Any MoM would face pressure from cheaper A321NEO/737MAX. Kind of like Delta ordering A330Neo due to lower acquisition cost when 787 was also available. So <acronym title="British Airways">BA</acronym> wouldn't be able to price it much higher than 737MAX. And A321NEO/737MAX could be priced well due t...Jump to post
How much will a new design cost? Assuming <acronym title="British Airways">BA</acronym> can sell 1000 units and dev cost is $10 Bn, comes to $10Mn/aircraft. They can use the fuselage and systems for a 737 replacement in future. Wonder if they will do Al fuselage/composite wing like 777 or keep it al...Jump to post
Can 737 accomodate engines of 40K thrust even with new wing and landing gear? Seems difficult considering the high bypass nature of today's engines. Without the 757 <acronym title="British Airways">BA</acronym> is stuck between a rock and a hard place. Customers probably are not willing to pay a pre...Jump to post
Looking at some aircraft lengths: 737 Max-9 138 ft 707-320B - 152 ft 757-200 - 155 ft <acronym title="British Airways">BA</acronym> can probably stretch the 737 Max-9 fuselage but am not sure they will have ground clearance for a 38-40K thrust engine under the wing even if they design a new wing/4 w...Jump to post
Too bad the 757 is no longer in production. I read that the tooling is long gone. If the 757 was still in production, it would be an easy upgrade as <acronym title="Precision Air Services (United Rep. of Tanzania)">PW</acronym> already has a 35K geared turbofan and with 20% better fuel efficiency u ...Jump to post
Someone mentioned the 707 intercontinental. Specs of the 707-320B: 2 - class 147 1 - class 219 Range : 5750 nm 4 <acronym title="Precision Air Services (United Rep. of Tanzania)">PW</acronym> JT3D-7 19K thrust engines. <acronym title="British Airways">BA</acronym> must be looking at the landing gear...Jump to post
This is interesting. Start with the 737 Max fuselage (same cross section as 757) stretched to 757-200/300 length. Make the wing bigger so it carries another 500 nautical miles fuel. Design new landing gears. Ask CFM and Pratt&Whitney for a 43K thrust engine, maybe that much thrust is not require...Jump to post
Well Pratt's gtf is available till 40k of thrust but probably the fan is too big to hang off 737. So now we have an engine that could have gone into a 757NG, unfortunately the 757 isnt in production anymore. Probably the 757 wing isnt competitive anymore. Ba should just launch nsa, 150 to 200 seats,...Jump to post
Can't Airbus use the engines offered on the Boeing 787-9 and do a minimum re-engine. Both the A380 and 787-9 appears to be using around 70K pound thrust engines
Maybe they are looking to replace the A340-600? They only joined the fleet in 2003 but Lufthansa depreciates aircraft on a 12 year schedule so possibly they could start to retire them starting 2015. The A340-300 will likely be replaced by A350.
Hi, Air India claims its 787s are 17% more fuel efficient, not 20% that <acronym title="British Airways">BA</acronym> promised: <a href="http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/news-by-industry/transportation/airlines-/-aviation/air-india-wants-compensation-for-787s-not-delivering-20-fuel-savings/a...Jump to post
Maybe <acronym title="Lufthansa (Germany)">LH</acronym> 455 will be upgraded to 748. Its called the "Bangalore Express" Article about it here <a href="http://www.dnaindia.com/money/report_lufthansa-bangalore-express-a-schmooze-cruise-for-silicon-valley_1660426" target="_blank">http://www.dnaindia.co...Jump to post