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by tomcat
Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A320neo Family 'Excessive Pitch' Issue Thread
Replies: 215
Views: 53077

Re: A321neo operators alerted over 'excessive pitch' anomaly

FG ( https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/a321neo-operators-alerted-over-excessive-pitch-ano-459718/ ) says: Airbus has introduced a temporary revision to A321neo flight manuals intended to prevent the possibility of the aircraft reaching excessive pitch attitudes . The European Union Aviatio...

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by tomcat
Sun Jul 14, 2019 2:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: US Commercial Aviation Fuel Consumption
Replies: 34
Views: 3795

Re: US Commercial Aviation Fuel Consumption

A question brought up in the European thread for reducing fuel consumption was increasing aircraft size and decreasing frequency. Looking at one example, LaGuardia, a 2016 article found high daily frequencies between some city pairs. Checking a few weeks ago, Delta was operating around 17 daily fli...

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by tomcat
Sat Jul 13, 2019 5:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Update: AF firms order for 60 A220 plus 30 options and 30 purchase rights, A380's to be retired by 2022
Replies: 577
Views: 119755

Re: AF to order A220

Big blow to Embraer, IMO; with AF being an existing Emb customer. It's too early to talk about a big blow to Embraer. The E2 is not meant to replace a mainline aircraft like the A319 even though there might be specific cases where the replacement of an A319 by a 195E2 could make sense. The challeng...

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by tomcat
Sat Jul 13, 2019 5:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Update: AF firms order for 60 A220 plus 30 options and 30 purchase rights, A380's to be retired by 2022
Replies: 577
Views: 119755

Re: AF to order A220

The article says - A220 to replace the 110 A320 family at AF mainline. Despite AF industry having to invest in the type maintenance. - All the A380 will leave and AF is considering 789, A330neo and A35K as replacement, but the latter is concidered too expensive fir the task. - Transavia France is g...

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by tomcat
Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: JetBlue Taking Delivery Of First A321NEO
Replies: 39
Views: 9793

Re: JetBlue Taking Delivery Of First A321NEO

Flight 6994 N2002J JetBlue's first A321 NEO is on the way from Hamburg Germany left around 5am Eastern time and gets into New York around 2pm. It will then proceed to LCQ (Lake City) around 3pm to be outfitted with the inflight entertainment system. The customer acceptance flight occurred on nine 2...

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by tomcat
Fri Jun 28, 2019 10:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019
Replies: 3768
Views: 419266

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019

Since this thread is about the MAX grounding, I think that the following piece of news has its place here. The Belgian Civil Aviation Authority has issued the following NOTAM valid till Dec 30: A2252/19 From:27 JUN 19 10:05 Till:30 DEC 19 23:59 EST Text:BOEING 737-8 MAX AND BOEING 737-9 MAX PROHIBIT...

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by tomcat
Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A350F on the cards soon?
Replies: 14
Views: 5743

Re: A350F on the cards soon?

But Airbus desperately wants in the large freighter market as the A330F hasn't exactly been a hot seller. The A350F could generate much more interest. The issue with the A330F is lack of TATL range with maximum payload. What is needed is enough MTOW to activate the center tank. This is a binary fun...

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by tomcat
Wed Jun 26, 2019 3:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Business Risk for Boeing: The A321XLR
Replies: 410
Views: 50912

Re: Business Risk for Boeing: The A321XLR

Can we all agree that "widebody with narrowbody economics" cannot exist? Unless we are comparing different generation aircraft. Absolutely agree with this. The NMA, if launched, will be the next generation of aircraft. I have no doubt that it's basic press release claim will hold up on th...

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by tomcat
Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Bloomberg:Airbus Says It Must Slash A350 Costs to Win Wide-Body Price War
Replies: 292
Views: 37114

Re: Bloomberg:Airbus Says It Must Slash A350 Costs to Win Wide-Body Price War

From footage I've seen about the A350 fuselage panel construction, this looks like a really time-consuming labor and machining intensive proces. Thus really expansive. Here is an example: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6_R54EVDdf0 And another one that shows another eliminatable logistics step: Examp...

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by tomcat
Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Confirmed: 777X First Flight Delayed Due GE9X Issues
Replies: 320
Views: 77925

Re: Rumour: 777X First Flight Likely Delayed Due GE9X Issues

The only reason I can think of is if Boeing want to completely stop the current 777 fuselage and wing production. But then again they are still running the 767 production line. And considering the 777 and 777X are built on separate (if adjoining) FALs, the only real reason to stop building the 777F...

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by tomcat
Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A321LR Versus XLR
Replies: 94
Views: 16679

Re: A321LR Versus XLR

This might still improve because Pratt & Wittney have not yet delivered the more powerful engine they once promised. They started testing the PW1135G-JM back in 2016 but right now that thing is not even mentioned on their websites. why to use bigger engines? to burn more fuel and got less range...

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by tomcat
Fri Jun 21, 2019 11:57 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A321LR Versus XLR
Replies: 94
Views: 16679

Re: A321LR Versus XLR

If you look at the Jan 2019 ACAP on the Airbus website, it has a range/payload chart for the A321LR with 3 x ACT's. That graph has a "maximum fuel" asymptote at exactly 4 000Nm and 18t payload. To get to 4 750Nm range, payload has to drop to 6t on the R/P chart. That 4 750Nm sector had to...

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by tomcat
Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A321LR Versus XLR
Replies: 94
Views: 16679

Re: A321LR Versus XLR

Some more info about the redesigned inboard flap: the intention with the switch to the single-slotted inboard flaps on the A321XLR is to reduce weight and complexity without exceeding the V-speeds of the original A321. we've been able to design a single-slotted flap that's as efficient as a double-s...

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by tomcat
Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A321LR Versus XLR
Replies: 94
Views: 16679

Re: A321LR Versus XLR

I'm not sure what the discussion is. The XLR is also more expensive. I'd say $4-8m if I had to guess. It also probably comes with a thrust bump which means the engines have a lower Mean Time Between Overhaul which means higher operating costs. Also, I'd assume there are extra fuel tanks which have ...

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by tomcat
Thu Jun 20, 2019 12:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Paris Air Show 2019: Airbus News and Orders Thread
Replies: 476
Views: 131428

Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Airbus News and Orders Thread

Airbus uses 95 kg per pax, maybe in North America in winter 105 maybe more reasonable but that does not change the range the aircraft will fly. If they are saying design payload is 20.9 tonnes, you can achieve that with all cargo under the floor and no passengers, the aircraft will still fly the sa...

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by tomcat
Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Business Risk for Boeing: The A321XLR
Replies: 410
Views: 50912

Re: Business Risk for Boeing: The A321XLR

Boeing has placed 5000 MAXes and the idea that they would devalue that backlog by pivoting to NSA any time soon is silly. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/timeline/64887a48b9338b6a09822cef53cb5617.png One could see the MAX backlog as 5000 potential launch orders for the NSA. The airlines w...

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by tomcat
Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:15 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Confirmed: 777X First Flight Delayed Due GE9X Issues
Replies: 320
Views: 77925

Re: Rumour: 777X First Flight Likely Delayed Due GE9X Issues

I now would not be surprised if the 777-8 is shelved I still sorta would... mostly due to the implications for a future freighter, and also depends on what QF does. With the ME3 loosing interest in the 777-8, there is an opportunity for Boeing to optimize its configuration to best suite QF needs fo...

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by tomcat
Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:59 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Business Risk for Boeing: The A321XLR
Replies: 410
Views: 50912

Re: Business Risk for Boeing: The A321XLR

Just to explain further. If Boeing launches the NMA and thus commits it's resources to it, Airbus can immediately initiate a whole list of things to put the 737 in a lot more trouble still: - Increase A320 production further - Increase A220 production further - Launch an A322 based on the XLR desig...

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by tomcat
Mon Jun 17, 2019 3:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Business Risk for Boeing: The A321XLR
Replies: 410
Views: 50912

Re: Business Risk for Boeing: The A321XLR

In the grand scheme of things, is a 50 minute reduction on a 12+ hour experience worth much? (12 hours is the 8 - 10 hour flight, plus the pre- and after- flight bits). Would you pay a mythical $500 for a M.85 flight to get to the destination 50 mins earlier than the alternative at M.78 at $400? If...

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by tomcat
Mon Jun 17, 2019 3:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Business Risk for Boeing: The A321XLR
Replies: 410
Views: 50912

Re: Business Risk for Boeing: The A321XLR

One area where the NMA can make a difference is the cruise speed as the M.78 cruise speed of the XLR is not ideal for flight duration reaching 8 to 10 hours. A NMA cruising at M.85 or M.86 could save up to 50 minutes or so on a 4500nm flight compared to the XLR. In the grand scheme of things, is a ...

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by tomcat
Mon Jun 17, 2019 2:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Business Risk for Boeing: The A321XLR
Replies: 410
Views: 50912

Re: Business Risk for Boeing: The A321XLR

One area where the NMA can make a difference is the cruise speed as the M.78 cruise speed of the XLR is not ideal for flight duration reaching 8 to 10 hours. A NMA cruising at M.85 or M.86 could save up to 50 minutes or so on a 4500nm flight compared to the XLR.

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by tomcat
Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:35 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Airbus announcing A321XLR
Replies: 400
Views: 72817

Re: Airbus Launches A321XLR

Impressive 36,390 litres internal capacity leaves enough room for 22T payload or 210-220 passengers. Assuming the empty weight is the same. With the extra ACT it will allow 180-190 passengers great for long haul. The internal fuel capacity of the XLR is 10% greater than the LR fitted with 3 ACTs. T...

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by tomcat
Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:22 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Paris Air Show 2019: Airbus News and Orders Thread
Replies: 476
Views: 131428

Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Airbus News and Orders Thread

https://www.airbus.com/aircraft/passenger-aircraft/a320-family/a321neo.html#a321xlr what is a "water volume"? That's the volume of water that could fit in a given space if it were to be filled with water (or any other liquid). It's a way to express the actual volume of a compartment. The ...

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by tomcat
Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:07 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Airbus announcing A321XLR
Replies: 400
Views: 72817

Re: Airbus Launches A321XLR

Impressive 36,390 litres internal capacity leaves enough room for 22T payload or 210-220 passengers. Assuming the empty weight is the same. With the extra ACT it will allow 180-190 passengers great for long haul. The internal fuel capacity of the XLR is 10% greater than the LR fitted with 3 ACTs. T...

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by tomcat
Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:49 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Airbus announcing A321XLR
Replies: 400
Views: 72817

Re: Airbus Launches A321XLR

Do we know more about the technical differences apart from the modified fuel system? How about the landing gear? double-bogie? And please let the racoon mask be optional... Otherwise a great aircraft complementing the entire A320 family. "Modified landing gear" is what we get for now. Wou...

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by tomcat
Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:23 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Airbus announcing A321XLR
Replies: 400
Views: 72817

Re: Airbus Launches A321XLR

So the XLR will have an internal fuel capacity of 36390l when adding the basic 23490l capacity of the A321 with the new 12900l rear center tank. On top of that, it can still be fitted with one ACT, bringing its max fuel capacity to 39510l. That is 31t of fuel when considering the 0.785kg/l fuel dens...

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by tomcat
Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates renegotiating 777X order
Replies: 759
Views: 156907

Re: Emirates renegotiating 777X order

for way less fuel (on the 778F then 77F), yes you do see how interesting General cargo freighters usually fly close to their MZFW and therefore operate on shorter hops. They also generally see much lower utilization than passenger frames. As such, fuel burn, while important, is probably not the top...

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by tomcat
Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates renegotiating 777X order
Replies: 759
Views: 156907

Re: Emirates renegotiating 777X order

Boeing is not going to want to spend the resources completing the 777-8's development and certify the model for only 10-25 orders. So if EK backs out of their 35, the 777-8 is done regardless of where Qatar and Qantas stand on it. They'll freeze the program like they did the 777-200LR in 2002 and r...

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by tomcat
Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:53 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: FG: How are the all-new Airbus (A350) and Boeing (787) widebodies faring?
Replies: 103
Views: 16410

Re: FG: How are the all-new Airbus (A350) and Boeing (787) widebodies faring?

The deliveries chart looks odd at the year 9 for the 787. The line rate increased to 14 recently, which should be an uptick in deliveries, but the chart went flat. Year 9 of the 787 deliveries and the Year 6 of the A350 deliveries are 2019, which is not even half way down. The charts probably only ...

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by tomcat
Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A350-1000 Range Increase
Replies: 110
Views: 21161

Re: a350-1000 range increase

Airbus has formalized the expected mtow increase to 319t. Range has increased to 16,100km. Airbus has also revised the 3 class seating figures giving a seating range similar to what Boeing publishes. https://www.airbus.com/content/dam/corporate-topics/publications/backgrounders/Airbus-Family-Figure...

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by tomcat
Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A350-1000 Range Increase
Replies: 110
Views: 21161

Re: a350-1000 range increase

It is correct. Speedbird52 asked if it takes the aircraft up to the range of the 778. It does not because the A350-1000 is still fuel limited. Carrying more payload at medium range is not what he asked. https://www.boeing.com/commercial/777x/#/technical-specs https://www.airbus.com/aircraft/passeng...

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by tomcat
Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A350-1000 Range Increase
Replies: 110
Views: 21161

Re: a350-1000 range increase

Airbus has formalized the expected mtow increase to 319t. Range has increased to 16,100km. Airbus has also revised the 3 class seating figures giving a seating range similar to what Boeing publishes. https://www.airbus.com/content/dam/corporate-topics/publications/backgrounders/Airbus-Family-Figure...

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by tomcat
Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Is it feasible for Aegean Airlines buy A321 ULR?
Replies: 15
Views: 2439

Re: Is it feasible for Aegean Airlines buy A321 ULR?

They have said that they aren’t interested in long haul (because of their fleet), but this would be done with an A321, so their fleet would stay the same. Also, markets such JNB might work form them since there is a big Greek diaspora there. And Maldives and Seychelles could be good too since there...

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by tomcat
Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Is it feasible for Aegean Airlines buy A321 ULR?
Replies: 15
Views: 2439

Re: Is it feasible for Aegean Airlines buy A321 ULR?

Hello guys, Do you see Aegean airlines buying A321 ULR to fly to destinations like Mumbai, Johannesburg, Dhakka, Maldives, etc? One problem they have is that Greece is a very season market, perhaps they could use those A331 ULR to fly to winter destinations such as South Africa, Maldives, Seychelle...

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by tomcat
Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Confirmed: 777X First Flight Delayed Due GE9X Issues
Replies: 320
Views: 77925

Re: 777X First Flight Delayed to Year End Due GE9X Issues

I think there are signs (Muilenburg, Zeke, Avweek) from multiple angles. If you need wait for Boeing to state officially (kicking, screaming, deflecting, generalizing), you are always at least 2 months behind the deed. I just fail to see how a few weeks or even a 2 months delay can be reported in t...

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by tomcat
Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Confirmed: 777X First Flight Delayed Due GE9X Issues
Replies: 320
Views: 77925

Re: 777X First Flight Delayed to Year End Due GE9X Issues

OK, well this is a great OT argument Lightsaber, but back to the actual problem with the GE9X, what is it and how long do you think it will take to resolve?.. This thread is a non-sense. What the article posted in the opening post says is that While Boeing and GE expect to have a fix ready soon, th...

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by tomcat
Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:22 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Confirmed: 777X First Flight Delayed Due GE9X Issues
Replies: 320
Views: 77925

Re: 777X First Flight Delayed to Year End Due GE9X Issues

Trent does have lower takeoff and climb fuel burn. Data I've seen, GE has 2% lower cruise fuel burn, equal fuel consumption at 4000nm. GE has longer overhaul intervals, but less than 10k in practice. Much longer than RR if flying into highly polluted cities right now. No engines are ever identical....

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by tomcat
Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft
Replies: 1494
Views: 290786

Re: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft

Now let's say that the empty weight of the A338ER would be 3t higher than the A338. This would allow (21t minus the weight of the expected aux tank) of extra tankage in the ER with the baseline passenger load of the 251t A338. This alone would probably bring the range of the ER to 9400nm (feel free...

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by tomcat
Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Confirmed: 777X First Flight Delayed Due GE9X Issues
Replies: 320
Views: 77925

Re: Rumour: 777X First Flight Likely Delayed to Year End Due GE9X Issues

https://www.fool.com/investing/2019/06/08/the-revolutionary-boeing-777x-jet-is-running-behin.aspx Apparently issues with the GE9X stator actuation mechanism which was the object of a re-design recently. First flight slated before the year end instead of end of June, with EIS for late 2020 or possib...

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by tomcat
Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft
Replies: 1494
Views: 290786

Re: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft

Might there be a MTOW bump in the offing for a potential 789LR? Ie: incorporating the MTOW bump they have apparently found for the 78X? It nearly could. The biggest problem is the 787-9 hits maximum fuel capacity at exactly 8200nm. So it can not use any of that extra MTOW increase for fuel without ...

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by tomcat
Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What does the Rumored 6T MTOW Increase for the 787-10 Mean for the A359?
Replies: 161
Views: 26178

Re: What does the Rumored 6T MTOW Increase for the 787-10 Mean for the A359?

Besides ultrafaning the A350, I think that Airbus could consider a simple stretch of the A359. By trading some (excess of) range for more seats, it would be a good answer to a PIPed/HGW 787-10. No real need to. The structural weight difference between the two is not so much as to really hurt the A3...

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by tomcat
Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What does the Rumored 6T MTOW Increase for the 787-10 Mean for the A359?
Replies: 161
Views: 26178

Re: What does the Rumored 6T MTOW Increase for the 787-10 Mean for the A359?

Hi all - member FKA CHRISBA777ER here, decided to join back up. My take on this thread is that we all knew the incremental PIPs would push the 787 and A350 onwards in the lifespan of both programmes just as today's A330 or 777 is a lot more capable than one from 20 years ago. A six tonne bump to th...

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by tomcat
Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft
Replies: 1494
Views: 290786

Re: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft

How many aircraft is this requirement and how many other customers will jump on it? ~25 aircraft 3 operators over 15 years? Technically there are possibilities. Airbus and Boeing however don't want to go deeply non recurring & Qantas doesn't want to pay the price.. A350-900 XLR, merging A350-10...

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by tomcat
Thu May 30, 2019 12:47 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Oldest LH Airbus 320 last flight today
Replies: 54
Views: 9966

Re: Oldest LH Airbus 320 last flight today

There is still talk of another LOV test to extend service intervals. The 90,000FC, 180,000FH testing failed. I've heard rumors that cycles were the issue. So I hear noise about a 75,000 FC, 150,000FH test. Or 72,000FC (same hours) to minimize risk. Who knows. Lightsaber That's interesting. If the 9...

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by tomcat
Wed May 29, 2019 9:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus 50 Years Celebration - 5 things Airbus got right and 5 it did not
Replies: 83
Views: 13507

Re: Airbus 50 Years Celebration - 5 things Airbus got right and 5 it did not

Any purely commercial company operating in a country offering RLA would request RLA if it would be in a position to do so. Why? We are told it is granted at commercial rates so it's not economically advantageous, and comes with a lot of strings attached such as the need to pay royalties forever ala...

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by tomcat
Wed May 29, 2019 7:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft
Replies: 1494
Views: 290786

Re: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft

Sorry but you are wrong. In the artical you posted there is comparison between SQ and UA configuration which is 253 nad 252 pax respectively. On SIN-SFO-SIN route can A359 carry 5.2-5.7 more cargo with alomost identical pax onboard. I stand corrected, I didn't see the figures you mentioned in the a...

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by tomcat
Tue May 28, 2019 9:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus 50 Years Celebration - 5 things Airbus got right and 5 it did not
Replies: 83
Views: 13507

Re: Airbus 50 Years Celebration - 5 things Airbus got right and 5 it did not

One area I think is questionable: Although Enders’ proposed 2012 merger with BAE Systems failed, the recently-retired German will be remembered as the executive who turned EADS/Airbus into a single company run purely on commercial rather than political or national lines . If it is being run on pure...

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by tomcat
Mon May 27, 2019 10:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: TAP Portugal has fewer passengers in Q1 2019 in a booming Portuguese market
Replies: 17
Views: 3787

Re: TAP Portugal has fewer passengers in Q1 2019 in a booming Portuguese market

Easter holidays falling in April haven't helped supporting the comparison with 2018 either.

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by tomcat
Mon May 27, 2019 9:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Tap Air Portugal To Start Lisbon-Banjul
Replies: 35
Views: 7172

Re: Tap Air Portugal To Start Lisbon-Banjul

Good move by TAP, this should be an important new route for the UK to BJL. Since TCX / MT's future is in certain amount of doubt and Gambia Experience have high seat-only fares on their twice-weekly charter I think TAP will do well despite the anti-social night flight timings of this new service. H...

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by tomcat
Sat May 25, 2019 12:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 12.000th Airbus delivery
Replies: 33
Views: 7522

Re: 12.000th Airbus delivery

Should be over Toulouse or Hamburg. My guess is it was just a friendly message for everyone in Airbus. A220 is an Airbus aircraft and this is a part of a good integration. A220 is a lot more Canadian before being an Airbus a/c !! Indeed the A220 is a lot more Canadian before being an Airbus a/c but...

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