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by tomcat
Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft
Replies: 1494
Views: 291569

Re: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft

Now let's say that the empty weight of the A338ER would be 3t higher than the A338. This would allow (21t minus the weight of the expected aux tank) of extra tankage in the ER with the baseline passenger load of the 251t A338. This alone would probably bring the range of the ER to 9400nm (feel free...

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by tomcat
Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Confirmed: 777X First Flight Delayed Due GE9X Issues
Replies: 320
Views: 78185

Re: Rumour: 777X First Flight Likely Delayed to Year End Due GE9X Issues

https://www.fool.com/investing/2019/06/08/the-revolutionary-boeing-777x-jet-is-running-behin.aspx Apparently issues with the GE9X stator actuation mechanism which was the object of a re-design recently. First flight slated before the year end instead of end of June, with EIS for late 2020 or possib...

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by tomcat
Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft
Replies: 1494
Views: 291569

Re: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft

Might there be a MTOW bump in the offing for a potential 789LR? Ie: incorporating the MTOW bump they have apparently found for the 78X? It nearly could. The biggest problem is the 787-9 hits maximum fuel capacity at exactly 8200nm. So it can not use any of that extra MTOW increase for fuel without ...

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by tomcat
Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What does the Rumored 6T MTOW Increase for the 787-10 Mean for the A359?
Replies: 161
Views: 26289

Re: What does the Rumored 6T MTOW Increase for the 787-10 Mean for the A359?

Besides ultrafaning the A350, I think that Airbus could consider a simple stretch of the A359. By trading some (excess of) range for more seats, it would be a good answer to a PIPed/HGW 787-10. No real need to. The structural weight difference between the two is not so much as to really hurt the A3...

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by tomcat
Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What does the Rumored 6T MTOW Increase for the 787-10 Mean for the A359?
Replies: 161
Views: 26289

Re: What does the Rumored 6T MTOW Increase for the 787-10 Mean for the A359?

Hi all - member FKA CHRISBA777ER here, decided to join back up. My take on this thread is that we all knew the incremental PIPs would push the 787 and A350 onwards in the lifespan of both programmes just as today's A330 or 777 is a lot more capable than one from 20 years ago. A six tonne bump to th...

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by tomcat
Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft
Replies: 1494
Views: 291569

Re: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft

How many aircraft is this requirement and how many other customers will jump on it? ~25 aircraft 3 operators over 15 years? Technically there are possibilities. Airbus and Boeing however don't want to go deeply non recurring & Qantas doesn't want to pay the price.. A350-900 XLR, merging A350-10...

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by tomcat
Thu May 30, 2019 12:47 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Oldest LH Airbus 320 last flight today
Replies: 54
Views: 9998

Re: Oldest LH Airbus 320 last flight today

There is still talk of another LOV test to extend service intervals. The 90,000FC, 180,000FH testing failed. I've heard rumors that cycles were the issue. So I hear noise about a 75,000 FC, 150,000FH test. Or 72,000FC (same hours) to minimize risk. Who knows. Lightsaber That's interesting. If the 9...

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by tomcat
Wed May 29, 2019 9:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus 50 Years Celebration - 5 things Airbus got right and 5 it did not
Replies: 83
Views: 13565

Re: Airbus 50 Years Celebration - 5 things Airbus got right and 5 it did not

Any purely commercial company operating in a country offering RLA would request RLA if it would be in a position to do so. Why? We are told it is granted at commercial rates so it's not economically advantageous, and comes with a lot of strings attached such as the need to pay royalties forever ala...

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by tomcat
Wed May 29, 2019 7:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft
Replies: 1494
Views: 291569

Re: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft

Sorry but you are wrong. In the artical you posted there is comparison between SQ and UA configuration which is 253 nad 252 pax respectively. On SIN-SFO-SIN route can A359 carry 5.2-5.7 more cargo with alomost identical pax onboard. I stand corrected, I didn't see the figures you mentioned in the a...

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by tomcat
Tue May 28, 2019 9:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus 50 Years Celebration - 5 things Airbus got right and 5 it did not
Replies: 83
Views: 13565

Re: Airbus 50 Years Celebration - 5 things Airbus got right and 5 it did not

One area I think is questionable: Although Enders’ proposed 2012 merger with BAE Systems failed, the recently-retired German will be remembered as the executive who turned EADS/Airbus into a single company run purely on commercial rather than political or national lines . If it is being run on pure...

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by tomcat
Mon May 27, 2019 10:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: TAP Portugal has fewer passengers in Q1 2019 in a booming Portuguese market
Replies: 17
Views: 3822

Re: TAP Portugal has fewer passengers in Q1 2019 in a booming Portuguese market

Easter holidays falling in April haven't helped supporting the comparison with 2018 either.

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by tomcat
Mon May 27, 2019 9:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Tap Air Portugal To Start Lisbon-Banjul
Replies: 35
Views: 7212

Re: Tap Air Portugal To Start Lisbon-Banjul

Good move by TAP, this should be an important new route for the UK to BJL. Since TCX / MT's future is in certain amount of doubt and Gambia Experience have high seat-only fares on their twice-weekly charter I think TAP will do well despite the anti-social night flight timings of this new service. H...

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by tomcat
Sat May 25, 2019 12:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 12.000th Airbus delivery
Replies: 33
Views: 7551

Re: 12.000th Airbus delivery

Should be over Toulouse or Hamburg. My guess is it was just a friendly message for everyone in Airbus. A220 is an Airbus aircraft and this is a part of a good integration. A220 is a lot more Canadian before being an Airbus a/c !! Indeed the A220 is a lot more Canadian before being an Airbus a/c but...

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by tomcat
Wed May 22, 2019 6:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft
Replies: 1494
Views: 291569

Re: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft

Polot gave the reference in post #789. I chose not to duplicate him. There are other reports that say the same thing, but since they say the same thing from the same source (GE), the other reports add very little. Please refer to post #789. Sorry that does not say what you claimed. Again to be expl...

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by tomcat
Fri May 17, 2019 5:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft
Replies: 1494
Views: 291569

Re: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft

That's like a wet dream for for us avgeeks. I wonder what a 200 seat A338 is capable of @ 251t Fred A fair amount I would think - but not as much as a 254t 787-8ER I suspect. Now if we want to start talking about a 280t A350-800LR ..... :) Rgds What about a 275t A338LR? Give it the centre gear of t...

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by tomcat
Thu May 16, 2019 8:01 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Climate Change - Is aviation heading for a slump?
Replies: 96
Views: 10882

Re: Climate Change - Is aviation heading for a slump?

Despite the huge backlog in new orders, particularly NB’s, could the industry actually be facing a 9/11 style depression caused by Climate Change? Do you really mean "climate change" or "anti-climate-change policies and behaviors"? If you talk about the latter, any policy would ...

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by tomcat
Sun May 12, 2019 12:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft
Replies: 1494
Views: 291569

Re: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft

My understanding is that Project Sunrise is about ULH non-stops to all sorts of destinations, not just SYD-LHR - it's actually a principle, not a sector We seem to be missing a fundamental then in what might be the biggest single factor swaying the decision - which frame is best suited to the balan...

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by tomcat
Mon May 06, 2019 5:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft
Replies: 1494
Views: 291569

Re: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft

From the link posted a few hours ago: "The long haul project, dubbed Project Sunrise, threw up complications for the airline including regulations that limit the length of a single flight for a pilot as well as passenger entertainment and health." The last part about the passenger entertai...

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by tomcat
Sun May 05, 2019 5:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Dr. Peters begins scrapping of two ex-SIA A380s
Replies: 287
Views: 96217

Re: Dr. Peters begins scrapping of two ex-SIA A380s

Interesting how various doors go first. Gear doors, cargo doors, pax doors. They must get damaged quite often. Also all the emergency slides are removed. And the leading edge surfaces of one aircraft tail section. As well as the slats of the right hand one. The droop noses don't seem to have been r...

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by tomcat
Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:26 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: 787 vs A350 range
Replies: 483
Views: 117327

Re: 787 vs A350 range

OEW: 140t (guesstimate) (the 777F OEW is 144.4t per Wikipedia) Fuel load: 74t Just for comparison : the A332F has 20t less OEW than the A333 Pax version. OEW for an A359F could be as low as 130t. It clearly shows that Airbus could finally have a winner in the freighter market. A 316t A359 could als...

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by tomcat
Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:37 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: 787 vs A350 range
Replies: 483
Views: 117327

Re: 787 vs A350 range

Agreed - 9500km should be with the frame at or near MZFW (so around 192-196,000kg) leaving around 70-75,000kg for fuel uplift. I wonder why LH would publish MZFW range. It does not do this for their other aircrafts. They use the A350 primary as cargo aircraft not a passenger one;-) Talking about ca...

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by tomcat
Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Another special 'Belgian Icons' livery coming to SN?
Replies: 11
Views: 1733

Re: Another special 'Belgian Icons' livery coming to SN?

So it’s gonna be something flemish, actually... Not surprising, Brussel is the capital of Flanders, not of Wallonia and SN’s home base is in Flanders, not in Brussels. It has more to do with the ongoing celebrations of the 450th anniversary of Bruegel's death and it's a major cultural and touristic...

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by tomcat
Mon Apr 29, 2019 5:00 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Make better use of fuselage space
Replies: 25
Views: 4274

Re: Make better use of fuselage space

Talking about making better use of the fuselage space, I have been thinking that with the technological progress, it could be possible to move the pilots in the belly of the aircraft (wide-body ones). The main benefit would be that the space currently occupied by the cockpit could be turned into a ...

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by tomcat
Sun Apr 28, 2019 10:51 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Make better use of fuselage space
Replies: 25
Views: 4274

Re: Make better use of fuselage space

Talking about making better use of the fuselage space, I have been thinking that with the technological progress, it could be possible to move the pilots in the belly of the aircraft (wide-body ones). The main benefit would be that the space currently occupied by the cockpit could be turned into a s...

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by tomcat
Wed Apr 24, 2019 8:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus to launch longer range A321 and not chase market share
Replies: 116
Views: 37048

Re: Airbus to launch longer range A321 and not chase market share

If you think that pic is an accurate representation of the centre section with two ACTs in the aft hold I think you're beyond help buddy. I don't know if it is representative or not but here goes the version with the 3 ACT (FWD ACT, AFT ACT1 and AFT ACT2) of current LR https://i.imgur.com/IKbQAmE.p...

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by tomcat
Tue Apr 23, 2019 5:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus to launch longer range A321 and not chase market share
Replies: 116
Views: 37048

Re: Airbus to launch longer range A321 and not chase market share

Mods seem to have locked it overnight and deleted latest posts (about what’s involved in certifying the structural modifications). Here’s the link: https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1400225 Yes, didn't see the latest posts, but wondered why it is locked. Just unlock, I would suggest. ...

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by tomcat
Sat Apr 13, 2019 5:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Package of new/used A380's pitched to BA was uncompetitive: Cruz
Replies: 173
Views: 32271

Re: Package of new/used A380's pitched to BA was uncompetitive: Cruz

"There has been a strong desire at BA to acquire more A380s" Obviously, not that strong, otherwise they would have acquired more factory-fresh A380s. It seems to me that they like the idea of operating super-jumbos but not the investment they require. How can one name this a "strong d...

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by tomcat
Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: TAP announces 118 million € losses
Replies: 42
Views: 7181

Re: TAP announces 118 million € losses

Being a connecting carrier xxx-LIS-xxx isn't a winning strategy unless they are the low cost provider. Do you think their cost structure compares with the best TATL ULCCs? Labor cost are generally low in Portugal compared to the rest of western Europe but I don't know if TAP itself benefits from th...

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by tomcat
Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5479
Views: 755755

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

Something was VERY wrong on this flight. IF the FR data is right they rotated at 89kts... Based on what I see in the data they basically took off stalling. I'd be very careful there as it is entirely possible that sampling delay/rates for FR24-data isn't granular enough for this kind of to the seco...

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by tomcat
Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5479
Views: 755755

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

I'm not jumping to conclusions to blame this on mcas. However, I have read several times in this thread that the flaps wouldn't have been retracted yet. That is probably true for the time that the FR24 data exists but aren't they usually retracted before 6 minutes? I'm not a pilot and never timed i...

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by tomcat
Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5479
Views: 755755

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

I'm saddened to hear about this. As unlikely as it may be, I hope there are survivors. Below is a screenshot of the flight radar data for those who haven't looked at the FR24 link upthread. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D1SRr8fW0AAqvOy.jpg (Taken from this tweet) https://twitter.com/flightradar24/sta...

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by tomcat
Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5479
Views: 755755

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

I'm saddened to hear about this. As unlikely as it may be, I hope there are survivors. Below is a screenshot of the flight radar data for those who haven't looked at the FR24 link upthread. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D1SRr8fW0AAqvOy.jpg (Taken from this tweet) https://twitter.com/flightradar24/sta...

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by tomcat
Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5479
Views: 755755

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

Per FR24, the aircraft had reached 383 kts at some point during its flight. I would assume that at such a speed, the flaps had already been retracted. If they hadn't been, they would actually impede the aircraft handling. It's mainly the speed that's commanding the setting of the flaps rather than t...

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by tomcat
Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:50 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Tax on kerosine
Replies: 90
Views: 8749

Re: Tax on kerosine

Interestingly and to my greatest surprise, one of the few countries already taxing kerosene (on domestic flights only?) are the USA, to the tune of $0.244 per gallon. It's not a high rate but it's noticeable and it's a serious blow to what I would now call the myth that kerosene is not taxed anywhe...

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by tomcat
Sun Mar 03, 2019 12:23 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Tax on kerosine
Replies: 90
Views: 8749

Re: Tax on kerosine

Interestingly and to my greatest surprise, one of the few countries already taxing kerosene (on domestic flights only?) are the USA, to the tune of $0.244 per gallon. It's not a high rate but it's noticeable and it's a serious blow to what I would now call the myth that kerosene is not taxed anywher...

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by tomcat
Fri Mar 01, 2019 9:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Korean Air A220 Significant Engine Damage
Replies: 55
Views: 24613

Re: Korean Air A220 Significant Engine Damage

https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=222410 This incident seems to have also had a failure of the 3rd stage LPT blade... "The incident flight was the sixth flight of the aircraft since it's first flight on January 26, 2019." Man, that doesn't look good! The incident on the Kor...

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by tomcat
Sun Feb 24, 2019 6:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters: Airbus pencils in orders for new A321XLR jet.
Replies: 197
Views: 46617

Re: Reuters: Airbus pencils in orders for new A321XLR jet.

I'm not aware of any announcement of engine PIP. Is there anything in the pipe? This is a longstanding announcement "3% by 2019": https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/pratt-plans-performance-upgrade-for-a320neo-engine-396062/ Thank you for this lead. I have made a little search on t...

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by tomcat
Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters: Airbus pencils in orders for new A321XLR jet.
Replies: 197
Views: 46617

Re: Reuters: Airbus pencils in orders for new A321XLR jet.

If the rumoured 1.5% wing improvement are improved wing end devises that improve induced drag than possibly not much thrust increase is neccessary for the increased MTOW. On top of this, Airbus originally claimed that there would be engine improvements by 2020. Here is what I'm referring to: "...

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by tomcat
Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:35 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters: Airbus pencils in orders for new A321XLR jet.
Replies: 197
Views: 46617

Re: Reuters: Airbus pencils in orders for new A321XLR jet.

While adding internal tanks is a cheap solution, there are many issues. -Both MTOW and Maximum "non-wing weight" (I would write MZFW but with that much fuel in the fuselage, we need another term) need to go up.That is no small feat and will require significant amounts of strengthening. -i...

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by tomcat
Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:13 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: More and more wing clipping incidents?
Replies: 70
Views: 5365

Re: More and more wing clipping incidents?

Aircraft movements are increasing each year. This alone is already a factor for increased occurrences of wing clippings. Now what about the frequency of wing clippings per movement? If this frequency has increased over the time, then there are obviously other factors. Increasing (average) wingspans ...

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by tomcat
Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:11 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates considering order changes - Airbus A380 for A330/A350 confirmed, Boeing 787 for 777-9 still possible
Replies: 879
Views: 143594

Re: Emirates is exploring switching the Airbus A380 to A350

They also have a 78% overall load factor (so more than 1 in 5 seats flies empty), competitors flying more efficient 787/A350 and opening/growing hubs and often offering more favorable routings, A380/77Ws sitting because there's a global shortage of pilots, EK/DXB no longer viewed as favorable a pla...

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by tomcat
Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: An unfair comparison II - DC-7 vs. CV-880 vs. A220-100
Replies: 24
Views: 4429

Re: An unfair comparison II - DC-7 vs. CV-880 vs. A220-100

I'd love to find out how the current crop of widebodies - A350/787 - compare to earlier aircraft of similar capacity - DC10/L1011/A300/747SP. The following comparison is indeed very interesting: DC-10-30 / A340-300E / A359 since they are close in terms of MTOW and fuel capacity: MTOW (t): 251.7 / 2...

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by tomcat
Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: EU officials raise concerns about IAG operating rights in both EU/UK
Replies: 8
Views: 4546

Re: EU officials raise concerns about IAG operating rights in both EU/UK

While I agree with you, there might also be changes for IB and BA OpCos themselves. When IAG was created, it holded 100% of finanltial rights over IB and BA operators but only 49,99% voting rights. 50,01% of voting rights where issued to a Spanish trustee in the case of IB, and a British one in cas...

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by tomcat
Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Slightly capacity / MTOW increase E195-E2, possible / feasible?
Replies: 63
Views: 7472

Re: Slightly capacity / MTOW increase E195-E2, possible / feasible?

The E2-200 would have horrible short field performance. Considering it competes head to head with the A220-300 (sort of, I see no way to stretch the E195 to match), I think Embraer went as far as they could. I would rather phrase the last part of your sentence as "Embraer went as far as they w...

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by tomcat
Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus - hiring for new narrowbody and A350 neo
Replies: 160
Views: 26742

Re: Airbus - hiring for new narrowbody and A350 neo

The most interesting part of the article is this: "Before embarking on the new aircraft, Airbus would first introduce two narrow-body upgrades, the job advertisements say. One would be a version of the long range A321LR able to fly 700 nautical miles further with the aid of a redesigned fuel t...

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by tomcat
Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus - hiring for new narrowbody and A350 neo
Replies: 160
Views: 26742

Re: Airbus - hiring for new narrowbody and A350 neo

The most interesting part of the article is this: "Before embarking on the new aircraft, Airbus would first introduce two narrow-body upgrades, the job advertisements say. One would be a version of the long range A321LR able to fly 700 nautical miles further with the aid of a redesigned fuel t...

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by tomcat
Wed Nov 21, 2018 6:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus - hiring for new narrowbody and A350 neo
Replies: 160
Views: 26742

Re: Airbus - hiring for new narrowbody and A350 neo

I could see an A350NEO no so much to take over the current A359/A3510 but to further develop the A350 in order to match the 777-9 capacity and as well prepare for the A380 replacement. The Trent-XWB doesn't have the potential to deliver much more power. So Airbus would rather look for the most advan...

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by tomcat
Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Airbus announcing A321XLR
Replies: 400
Views: 73040

Re: Flightglobal: Airbus A321XLR would have over 100t MTOW, range of 4700 nm

We see that A321XLR is having problem finding room for a full set of fuel, pax and bags, mainly due to a wing that doesn't even tank as much fuel as the 737 wing. I have a different perception, or let's say that the jury is still out regarding the potential of the XLR. Rather than considering that ...

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by tomcat
Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Airbus announcing A321XLR
Replies: 400
Views: 73040

Re: Flightglobal: Airbus A321XLR would have over 100t MTOW, range of 4700 nm

Would a 100+ tonne MTOW variant appeal to ULCCs who want to carry a full load of ~240 passengers out to farther points? They just don't have to go all the way to 4700 nm. Or perhaps, by putting more fuel into an integral structure, more luggage/cargo can be carried where the ACTs used to take up sp...

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by tomcat
Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Airbus announcing A321XLR
Replies: 400
Views: 73040

Re: Flightglobal: Airbus A321XLR would have over 100t MTOW, range of 4700 nm

Each ACT has the weight of 20 passengers at 250 lb roughly, so 2 ACT's could reduce the pax on the plane by 40. Do they increase the pitch then to permanently remove say 30 seats? This seems like the 772LR v the 77W, the W sold great, the 20% extra cost per seat on 77L is just not economic even on ...

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