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by TW870
Sun Mar 15, 2020 5:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Early retirement for flight crews
Replies: 72
Views: 11476

Re: Early retirement for flight crews

As others have said, seniority allows senior pilots on fleets that are being parked to displace more junior pilots on other fleets in order to keep flying. However, at many carriers, the company can "bypass" retraining to avoid too much training churn. So say there is a captain on a 767 at...

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by TW870
Sun Mar 15, 2020 5:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020
Replies: 344
Views: 72225

Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

topguncnod wrote:
Lots of widebodies scheduled for BHM and MZJ tomorrow


Say more. I figured they would put much of the widebody fleet in temp storage. Why BHM? Is there a lot of ramp space - or a vendor there that does storage work? I can't imagine longer term storage in a place that humid.

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by TW870
Wed Mar 11, 2020 8:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020
Replies: 1143
Views: 182712

Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

My sense is that Spirit and Allegiant will cut the cost of a flight to near zero and hope to fill up planes with paxs getting gutted with ancillary fees. That's pretty much their business model now but instead of $59 fares can they break even at $9 fares, assuming they can still put a butt in every...

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by TW870
Wed Mar 11, 2020 12:02 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020
Replies: 1143
Views: 182712

Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

... could lead to serious financial problems if this virus continues for more than a few weeks ..... i don't want to appear unpolite or rude but would you mind to google the term "pandemic" ... we are only a few days away from the world recognize that "financial problems" are th...

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by TW870
Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Did the Northwest DC-10 ever make it to its Asian network?
Replies: 90
Views: 11714

Re: Did the Northwest DC-10 ever make it to its Asian network?

I flew on a DC-10-40 from MSP-SFO way back in 1990. I also flew on them several times between MSP- DTW. I think they used the 40's mostly domestically or to Hawaii. I believe NW also used the DC-10-40 on some European ops, but as they acquired second hand DC-10-30's they tended to use them much mor...

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by TW870
Mon Mar 09, 2020 8:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Did the Northwest DC-10 ever make it to its Asian network?
Replies: 90
Views: 11714

Re: Did the Northwest DC-10 ever make it to its Asian network?

Although Dtw was much smaller. Let's be clear ORD was not NW main hub. Even in the 70s, MSP was the biggest station/hub. In addition NW did not even serve slc,tus and abq until much much later. Just for some numbers, referencing the same April 1974 schedule, the NWA peak-day departure schedule incl...

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by TW870
Mon Mar 09, 2020 6:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Did the Northwest DC-10 ever make it to its Asian network?
Replies: 90
Views: 11714

Re: Did the Northwest DC-10 ever make it to its Asian network?

In the 1970s, Northwest's main hub was at ORD, with a secondary hub at MSP. DTW was just a small focus city. Also, both CLE and DTW had limited service to cities west of the Mississippi other than LAX, SFO, DEN, MSP, STL, and DFW. Someone in either CLE or DTW who needed to go to cities like SLC, SE...

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by TW870
Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2020
Replies: 162
Views: 30034

Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2020

Absolute bonkers posts about retiring all 757 and 767s. So terrible for everyone in the industry to add stress and drama to an already tense situation. Interestingly, even if they did park some of the 75/6 fleet and speed up the -88 draw-down, that would very much be consistent with the history of a...

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by TW870
Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020
Replies: 1143
Views: 182712

Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

What I'm seeing from the airlines seems to be theater right now. Superficial changes to give the appearance of protecting the customer. Still no policy on removing yourself from your shifts if you have corona. They expect employees to eat penalty points for calling out and/or using up their vacatio...

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by TW870
Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Did the Northwest DC-10 ever make it to its Asian network?
Replies: 90
Views: 11714

Re: Did the Northwest DC-10 ever make it to its Asian network?

WA707atMSP and TW870 - really appreciate both of your detailed replies. Never realized ORD was once that large of a station for NW or thought of the cargo aspect of the operation. Thanks again Until the early 1980s, General Motors had two Los Angeles area assembly plants (in Van Nuys and Norwalk) a...

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by TW870
Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Did the Northwest DC-10 ever make it to its Asian network?
Replies: 90
Views: 11714

Re: Did the Northwest DC-10 ever make it to its Asian network?

In the 1970s, Northwest's main hub was at ORD, with a secondary hub at MSP. DTW was just a small focus city. Also, both CLE and DTW had limited service to cities west of the Mississippi other than LAX, SFO, DEN, MSP, STL, and DFW. Someone in either CLE or DTW who needed to go to cities like SLC, SE...

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by TW870
Sat Mar 07, 2020 2:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020
Replies: 1143
Views: 182712

Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Any anecdotal info on what passenger loads look like on US domestic flights? I see lots of posts upthread showing excessively light loads on US-Asia and US-Europe. But what about within the US? I have a couple of trips coming up in the next couple of weeks, and I am wondering if I am going to be on ...

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by TW870
Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Did the Northwest DC-10 ever make it to its Asian network?
Replies: 90
Views: 11714

Re: Did the Northwest DC-10 ever make it to its Asian network?

When they first opened SEA-HKG, I think it was DC-10 too, then it moved to 747 It was United that opened SEA-HKG with a DC-10. UA used DC-10-30s leased from CP Air for the route. I always wondered about how United was able to do that. At 5,600nm, that trip is really long for a DC-10-30. I'm guessin...

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by TW870
Fri Mar 06, 2020 3:47 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Did the Northwest DC-10 ever make it to its Asian network?
Replies: 90
Views: 11714

Re: Did the Northwest DC-10 ever make it to its Asian network?

NW's April 29, 1973 timetable shows the DC-10 was used on NW 3, IAD-CLE-ORD-ANC-HND. The HND-ITM-TPE legs of this flight were operated with a 707. The April 22, 1974 timetable shows this flight was due to switch to a 747, and the CLE stop would be omitted, effective June 1, 1974. Excellent work fin...

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by TW870
Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Did the Northwest DC-10 ever make it to its Asian network?
Replies: 90
Views: 11714

Re: Did the Northwest DC-10 ever make it to its Asian network?

As others have noted, NW flew the DC-10 extensively in Asia after the GE-powered DC-10-30s started arriving from Swissair and other carriers in 1992. The bigger question is if Northwest ever scheduled the Pratt powered DC-10-40s to Asia. If they did, it would have been in a very short window in the ...

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by TW870
Thu Mar 05, 2020 8:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020
Replies: 1143
Views: 182712

Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

I think that makes sense. I think the policy of moving the intl planes to domestic was a bad idea from the start. Everybody needs to just park them. Which type I don't care, but dumping huge planes into domestic markets with weak demand is a death sentence. It’s cheaper just flying all the planes l...

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by TW870
Thu Mar 05, 2020 5:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020
Replies: 1143
Views: 182712

Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

I should charge for the OAG update this week! (Kidding) I do not expect domestic stuff to be cut en masse. It may take another week. I just don't know if they can put it together that fast, plus the crew is locked in 40-60 days out or more. It sounds like loads are 40-60% in a lot of markets from w...

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by TW870
Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020
Replies: 1143
Views: 182712

Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

This is interesting. It seems like UA has been the most proactive at making decisions as soon as possible. Maybe they have been hurt the most? I agree that April is probably the earliest you can make this dramatic kind of cuts. I still think more cuts are coming. All the airlines (with the exceptio...

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by TW870
Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:47 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Did Braniff have the first creative livery?
Replies: 24
Views: 2692

Re: Did Braniff have the first creative livery?

The short answer is yes - in every way. Braniff's "end of the plain plane" scheme was very ahead of the curve, as it invoked countercultural and psychedelic colors early on in that trend with a 1965 roll out. Even more importantly, the ad agency Jack Tinker partners put a woman - Mary Well...

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by TW870
Mon Mar 02, 2020 8:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020
Replies: 1143
Views: 182712

Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

After 9/11, U.S. airlines reduced service by getting rid of in-flight meals. Do you think due to this coronavirus outbreak, airlines will reduce service again by getting rid of snacks, charging for drinks, increasing checked bag fees, etc? Before we get to crazy with comparisons, this can get ugly ...

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by TW870
Sat Feb 29, 2020 3:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020
Replies: 344
Views: 72225

Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Tariff Avoidance !!! Bingo! They can't fly the aircraft on any domestic routing until either the tariffs go away, or they pay it. Wow you taught me something new. So can the ferry it within the U.S.? I assume the rule is no revenue producing flight within the U.S.? What if, for example, they have t...

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by TW870
Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1387
Views: 211142

Re: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

Just for context, I work in a University setting. We have already (obviously) banned all employee travel to China. Latest upper management communication is we are following U.S. government guidance, and if no-travel warnings to other destinations happen, we will follow suit for employees and student...

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by TW870
Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020
Replies: 344
Views: 72225

Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

What's noteworthy is that LHR will also see the A359 for the first time as well: DTW-LHR will use an A359 in April and for 3 weeks in May and one of the two ATL-LHR will be an A359 for 3 weeks in May. Wow! High demand I guess? The 359s that are now free from cancelled TPAC routes are now being rota...

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by TW870
Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta A221 Schedule Reliability struggle
Replies: 104
Views: 26116

Re: Delta A221 Schedule Reliability struggle

The data are pretty much what I would expect. Delta was very aggressive with their EIS plan - which shows they had a lot of confidence in the airplane. Most of the airplane rotations were (and are) taking airplanes through multiple hubs and outstations. LGA-DFW-SLC-SFO-SEA, for example, is a not unc...

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by TW870
Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta A221 Schedule Reliability struggle
Replies: 104
Views: 26116

Re: Delta A221 Schedule Reliability struggle

The industry has been so conditioned to derivative design in the medium-haul market that we don't have a lot of recent experience with a completely new clean sheet design. Ambitious projects - clean sheet frame and clean sheet engines - are going to have a longer teething period that derivative desi...

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by TW870
Wed Feb 19, 2020 7:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Video of 8/2019 DC-6 Crash
Replies: 32
Views: 7951

Re: Video of 8/2019 DC-6 Crash

Is the plane really a write off? My thought as well. Its a Douglas plane. They are built like tanks. There are many stored DC-6s in relatively good condition, and even frames in Alaska. Northern Air Cargo retired their dozen DC-6s around 2010 in Anchorage. With a good supply of C-118 parts from the...

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by TW870
Wed Feb 19, 2020 3:26 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Video of 8/2019 DC-6 Crash
Replies: 32
Views: 7951

Re: Video of 8/2019 DC-6 Crash

Does anybody know the history of the aircraft? Reg; previous operators; first flight. It’s always jarring for me to see an airliner which once graced the world’s airports relegated to dirt landing strips and primitive conditions. This is actually an ex-military DC-6, having made its first flight as...

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by TW870
Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Video of 8/2019 DC-6 Crash
Replies: 32
Views: 7951

Re: Video of 8/2019 DC-6 Crash

Wonder if this particular crew had been into this "field" on prior occasions? Another report I read said the FE was handling the reverse to maintain direction control? Have about a 1000 hours in the DC6B as an FE and don't recall ever handling the throttles after touchdowns I was to busy ...

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by TW870
Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Video of 8/2019 DC-6 Crash
Replies: 32
Views: 7951

Re: Video of 8/2019 DC-6 Crash

Thanks for posting this as much as I hate to see this, and thank god everyone walked away. Like the Buffalo Airways business in the NWT, the Everts DC-6 and C-46 operation is a super niche that is tough on the aircraft. The DC-6 can carry a heavy load to a short, unprepared airstrip and stop fast. O...

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by TW870
Tue Feb 18, 2020 2:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2020
Replies: 162
Views: 30034

Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2020

Are the A332s and the A333s getting the Premium Select cabin? They are. The first frame should be undergoing mods sometime in the fall. And I'll reiterate here that they will not get the new D1 suite. Just a refresh and new economy seats that are up to marketing standards. Thanks so much for reiter...

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by TW870
Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:47 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020
Replies: 344
Views: 72225

Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

The 77L can carry a good deal more payload than the 359 on this particular route. The 77Ls used on the route are freshly refurbished so the passenger experience is similar to the 350. I have no doubt that the green eyeshades have done the math and that the 77L can generate enough extra revenue on t...

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by TW870
Fri Feb 07, 2020 7:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2020
Replies: 162
Views: 30034

Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2020

I saw on another forum that after the delivery of A321ceo N399DN, the sequence will start over at N101DQ. That aircraft is in flight testing a Mobile right now, and will be delivered next week. This is pretty confusing, as some A220s have the N1xxDQ pattern. N108DQ, for example, is an A220. With suc...

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by TW870
Fri Feb 07, 2020 3:32 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Delta First Class Seats - A321neo
Replies: 120
Views: 20788

Re: New Delta First Class Seats - A321neo

looks like SQ's premium economy lol https://www.singaporeair.com/saar5/images/flying-withus/cabins-pre-economy-class/room-to-stretch.jpg This is not news. International Premium Select is the same as domestic First on DL. Absolutely, and I have a hunch that if this seat design is popular for domesti...

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by TW870
Wed Feb 05, 2020 8:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2020
Replies: 162
Views: 30034

Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2020

Any update as to when the 3744-3773 737-800s with the old Panasonic IFE will receive a cabin refresh? Some of those birds are starting to look pretty tired nowadays, and provide an inconsistent customer experience compared to other fleet types with modern IFE, such as the 737-900ER and A220. Was ju...

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by TW870
Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:50 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020
Replies: 344
Views: 72225

Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Delta might reposition some of its A339s and 350s to Transatlantic routes. https://thepointsguy.com/news/https-thepointsguy-com-news-delta-air-lines-europe-flights-china-coronavirus/ I wondered this too. This source, though, only has one references to an actual Delta document, which is a 1/31/2020 ...

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by TW870
Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AC MAD-YYZ: major damage to landing gear and engine on takeoff - circling MAD airspace
Replies: 140
Views: 30283

Re: AC MAD-YYZ: major damage to landing gear and engine on takeoff - circling MAD airspace

Maybe a drone attack!!! MAD operations partially stopped due to suspected drone activity Do you have sources for this? The OP's source is in Spanish. It says ops are stopped at Barajas for drone activity. The source says there was a landing gear failure, and that parts damaged the engine and could ...

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by TW870
Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:44 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Delta First Class Seats - A321neo
Replies: 120
Views: 20788

Re: New Delta First Class Seats - A321neo

I'll take a wait and see approach to this, but to me this seems like maybe the "privacy" craze has jumped the shark. From blocking window views to being couple-unfriendly, I'm likely not going to be a fan. This could be a domestic F seat that I actively avoid. You know what blocks windows...

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by TW870
Tue Jan 28, 2020 4:54 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Delta First Class Seats - A321neo
Replies: 120
Views: 20788

Re: New Delta First Class Seats - A321neo

The design looks great and the added privacy and storage is a great enhancement. Yes, they look tight, but domestic F on all the refurbished DL aircraft is already very, very tight. As far as color palette, the Cozy Coupe and teal/hooker/divorce references are so over the top, and I totally disagree...

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by TW870
Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:47 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020
Replies: 344
Views: 72225

Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

No, the GF 763s were converted to 76Zs when they installed the flat bed J seats- they are configured 26J/200Y and Y+. The GF ones are ships 1501-1506 and two of them have been retired already. The 76Ts are the newest ones (ships 1607-1613) and have a pilot rest bunk and configured 36J/172Y and Y+. ...

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by TW870
Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020
Replies: 344
Views: 72225

Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

I just read in another forum that the former Gulf Air 767-300ERs are being reconfigured into charter configuration for the NFL - much like some 757s were for the NBA. They are also not going to reconfigure all of the 76Ts (I forget what all of these designations mean - but I think those are the hig...

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by TW870
Wed Jan 22, 2020 4:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020
Replies: 344
Views: 72225

Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

I just read in another forum that the former Gulf Air 767-300ERs are being reconfigured into charter configuration for the NFL - much like some 757s were for the NBA. They are also not going to reconfigure all of the 76Ts (I forget what all of these designations mean - but I think those are the high...

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by TW870
Mon Jan 20, 2020 11:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL772 stuck in JNB
Replies: 35
Views: 14399

Re: DL772 stuck in JNB

This thread is typical of the internet. A few good pieces of information with lots of nauseating conspiracy theory floating around in the background. So we have a Miami fuel stop, followed by a cancellation in JNB, presumably for maintenance. Airplane is currently a few hundred miles due south of Ab...

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by TW870
Sun Jan 19, 2020 4:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 1/19/2020:UA Exits CLE-DCA/LGA;DL Opens MIA Hub;B6 Cuts 9 Routes
Replies: 63
Views: 13172

Re: OAG Changes 1/19/2020:UA Exits CLE-DCA/LGA;DL Opens MIA Hub;B6 Cuts 9 Routes

In due time, Miami will be a focus city or hub for Delta. Too much to gain not to go after the market over time. Any-size growing op Delta may have connecting to a well-established international network Latam offers is moving towards in the near-term focus-city status. LATAM's less than daily servi...

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by TW870
Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Announces MIA-MCO/RDU/SLC/TPA
Replies: 153
Views: 19691

Re: Delta Announces MIA-MCO/RDU/SLC/TPA

Looks like the battle is beginning. I think AA will defend their turf harder than they have been at JFK and BOS and it'll be a lot more difficult for DL. DL is well run but they aren't perfect and have made many forays only to retreat It is a lot different with LATAM though. They have to do somethi...

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by TW870
Thu Jan 16, 2020 3:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta 109 (B767-300) Emergency Return to Madrid
Replies: 7
Views: 4641

Re: Delta 109 (B767-300) Emergency Return to Madrid

MAD-ATL, reported hydraulic problem and returned for emergency landing at MAD after dumping fuel (at appropriate altitude) ATC Audio here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIsDDemJGwc FR24 track: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/dl109#23874b6f Cracks me up. We as pilots can dump fuel anyti...

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by TW870
Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:48 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 108
Views: 11502

Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2020

Note also that there is no longer a bar at the top, which is a huge downer. It is now a private event space, and you can rent it out for a hefty sum. All food and drink for guests and visitors are on the ground level with no view of the airport. Thanks for the info! But THAT sucks out loud. And suc...

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by TW870
Wed Jan 15, 2020 7:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 108
Views: 11502

Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2020

Just a tangential question: Are there any decent views of the ramps or runways from the new hotel recently built onsite at MSP? Yes. You can take the elevator up to the top floor. There is a hallway just outside the elevator bank that is open to the public and that has good views to the east, south...

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by TW870
Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:55 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UPDATED: Delta announces JFK-BOM
Replies: 1074
Views: 163774

Re: UPDATED: Delta announces JFK-BOM

Thanks for the info! I hear you on the meal sequence. Dine on demand, which carriers such as SQ have, would clearly be the best option, as you could let passengers decide how they want to deal with their food and sleep schedule. Dine on demand is labor intensive, though, as you lose the efficiency ...

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by TW870
Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UPDATED: Delta announces JFK-BOM
Replies: 1074
Views: 163774

Re: UPDATED: Delta announces JFK-BOM

My brother just flew BOM-JFK nonstop on DL in J. He really liked the service and the new J suite. The flight was full in all cabins (I've been looking on expert flyer - seems that J and premium Y does really well as does Y - Econ comfort tends to have issues where I have seen prices for comfort low...

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by TW870
Fri Jan 03, 2020 2:07 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: why 2L boarding door on DL 75's?
Replies: 44
Views: 7571

Re: why 2L boarding door on DL 75's?

I love the 757 L2 boarding. I wish the A321s would do it as well. As someone who seeks out the DL 757s where possible. I wont lie, turning left is an ego boost lol But it is also nice for boarding and deplaning. So much nicer not having 150 people walk by crowding up the aisle. And getting off is a...

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