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by TW870
Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Western Airlines Chieftain Liveries
Replies: 44
Views: 5002

Re: Western Airlines Chieftain Liveries

I went through my WA annual reports from the time of the PNA purchase to the DL merger. Here's what I found out about WA's service to Alaska: In 1967, the merged Western / PNA had applications pending to extend its routes from Anchorage to Fairbanks, and add Sitka as a stop between Ketchikan and Ju...

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by TW870
Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:26 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Western Airlines Chieftain Liveries
Replies: 44
Views: 5002

Re: Western Airlines Chieftain Liveries

WA converted 6 Electras to combies as direct replacements for the 6 Connies. Even put Alaska flags on the tail. They could move the partition to change the number of seats vs pallets. They also converted two or three to full freighters that they used around the system. 0111741 Also,about the same t...

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by TW870
Thu Apr 23, 2020 6:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Western Airlines Chieftain Liveries
Replies: 44
Views: 5002

Re: Western Airlines Chieftain Liveries

Love this thread! Why did Western cancel the 747 order? Was it late enough that the '73 recession hit? I assume they ordered them while awaiting a decision on the 1969 Pacific Route Case, and would have used them on MSP-LAX-HNL? On a personal note, my mother flew a Western 707-347C on MSP-LAX-HNL in...

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by TW870
Thu Apr 23, 2020 5:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Nurse-Qualified Flight Attendants/Airport Terminal Nursing Stations: The Future?
Replies: 27
Views: 2411

Re: Nurse-Qualified Flight Attendants/Airport Terminal Nursing Stations: The Future?

I do not understand this phenomenon where some people are thinking that COVID is going to be permanent, and that somehow everyone is going to be on lockdown and terrified of flying forever. Eventually, either there will be a vaccine/prophylaxis, or people will either get it and become immune or die....

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by TW870
Thu Apr 23, 2020 3:29 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Western Airlines Chieftain Liveries
Replies: 44
Views: 5002

Re: Western Airlines Chieftain Liveries

[ It was WAL flight 1, Juneau-Takutat-Cordova-Anchorage. I don’t know if they used flight #1 for nostalgia reasons, or if WA kept the old PNA flight numbers from the merger the year before. On board was Arthur Woodley, PNA’s founder and WAL Vice President – Alaska, at the time. The aircraft was N86...

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by TW870
Wed Apr 22, 2020 7:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Western Airlines Chieftain Liveries
Replies: 44
Views: 5002

Re: Western Airlines Chieftain Liveries

[ It was WAL flight 1, Juneau-Takutat-Cordova-Anchorage. I don’t know if they used flight #1 for nostalgia reasons, or if WA kept the old PNA flight numbers from the merger the year before. On board was Arthur Woodley, PNA’s founder and WAL Vice President – Alaska, at the time. The aircraft was N86...

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by TW870
Wed Apr 22, 2020 4:19 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Western Airlines Chieftain Liveries
Replies: 44
Views: 5002

Re: Western Airlines Chieftain Liveries

I love that scheme on the ex-PNA Connies. I never noticed they flew the L749 with the speedpak. It makes sense as the Alaska routes to outlying destinations would have been heavy with cargo, especially as they were mostly short bounces. The Connies lasted pretty long - I think through the 1970 high ...

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by TW870
Tue Apr 21, 2020 8:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly
Replies: 1133
Views: 250015

Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Social media gossiping is saying the MD-88/90 will be retired before the end of April. Anyone have any more info more than rumors? A few quick dummy bookings in the beginning and end of May still show the MD88 in the schedule but it is such a fluid situation it might change so who knows It will. I'...

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by TW870
Sun Apr 19, 2020 3:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 4/19/2020:F9 Cuts AUG/SEP;DL Exits JAXRDU;UA Follows AA by Decimating Int'l for May and Summer, Drops SCKLAX
Replies: 78
Views: 13808

Re: OAG Changes 4/19/2020:F9 Cuts AUG/SEP;DL Exits JAXRDU;UA Follows AA by Decimating Int'l for May and Summer, Drops SC

Thank you enilria as always for this important thread. On the Delta front, it looks like they did another round of May trims on top of those registered in a last couple of weeks. Doing this incrementally likely helps them manage customer service workload, as they can keep the rebooking workload cons...

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by TW870
Thu Apr 16, 2020 3:47 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southern California Airports Covid19 Thread
Replies: 37
Views: 5554

Re: Southern California Airports Covid19 Thread

Went spotting twice last week at Imperial Hill, from approx 7:30pm to 9:30pm. Though I realize it's anecdotal, on the first night, we counted an average span between departures (from any of the four runways) of 4min38sec, for both 2hr periods combined. If you don't count cargo-only ops off of 25L, ...

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by TW870
Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: GOL cancels 34 737 MAX
Replies: 36
Views: 9828

Re: GOL cancels 34 737 MAX

I think the GOL cancellation is evidence that two things are going to happen: 1. Some airlines will use the COVID downturn and the MAX grounding to get out from under a junk airplane. Maybe this will be drastic in some cases. I have wondered if AA could dump the MAX, using the downturn to restructur...

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by TW870
Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020
Replies: 344
Views: 72101

Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Anyone know what's up with these odd A330 flights out of MSP. This is the third one I've seen with a routing like this in the last two days: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL9983/history/20200414/1855Z/KMSP/KMSP It is a real flight because I have seen the airplanes fly by my window. Are they d...

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by TW870
Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Consolidation of Airport Operations
Replies: 46
Views: 9084

Re: Consolidation of Airport Operations

MSP - it appears the only section really closed-off is Concourse B. Flights are still departing today from gates on A, C, D, E, F, G. I would venture to guess that DL and (OO & 9E) are only using a sub-set of gates actively on each concourse. MSP also only has one security checkpoint open at ea...

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by TW870
Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:30 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: JFK Terminal 2 Final Flight
Replies: 26
Views: 6887

Re: JFK Terminal 2 Final Flight

What? T2's finished? That was fast. It wasn't pretty, it had birds flying around inside, but where else could you get into a cab in 2 minutes from any gate? The Sky Club was average and it was functional. But versus up to 15 minutes in T4; I'll miss T2 100% agree. It was so easy to travel through. ...

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by TW870
Sun Apr 12, 2020 4:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 4/12/2020: VB Adds MTY-SAT;UA Adds MEI/PIB;F9 Adds MIA-RDU; 1000s of Routes Are Suspended
Replies: 83
Views: 15014

Re: OAG Changes 4/12/2020: VB Adds MTY-SAT;UA Adds MEI/PIB;F9 Adds MIA-RDU; 1000s of Routes Are Suspended

Thank you enilria for this herculean task of documenting this. Two thoughts - and these come from looking at DL's system that I know best. First, I am actually surprised how much flying is left. Do we really need 3xMSP-OMA when less than 100,000 people are clearing TSA in the entire United States? I...

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by TW870
Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020
Replies: 344
Views: 72101

Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Are the 764s being retired? Or is it up in the air like everything else? No. some of the 767-300ER could be gone, the 400 fleet has a lot of life left. Especially because the -400ERs have just gotten a full Delta One refurbishment, the fleet as a whole is highly likely to return to service even in ...

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by TW870
Thu Apr 09, 2020 10:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020
Replies: 304
Views: 23309

Re: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020

MD88/90s are certainty done in the next few months. The 757/767 fleet is tricky in the sense as to just how big of fleet that still represents, their anticipated longevity prior to this downturn, and when replacement capacity may be available. Some are never going to fly again Aircraft from all fle...

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by TW870
Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020
Replies: 304
Views: 23309

Re: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020

It will have nothing to do with aircraft age, as all the narrowbody fleet has been refurbished. I reject that idea, and so do you just a few sentences later. I think the next most vulnerable fleet is the 757 and 767. They are older and more expensive to operate... One doesn't find many early A320s ...

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by TW870
Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020
Replies: 304
Views: 23309

Re: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020

I don't know. With empty planes the key op cost metric isn't CASM, it's trip cost. I wouldn't lump the 319s together with the 320s. After the MD-88s, the 320 subtype is, on average, DL's oldest type (24.7 years): yes, older than the 752s (23.4 years) and 763s. (23.9 years), all per planespotters.ne...

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by TW870
Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What has Delta not massively cut flights to Europe this summer as United has?
Replies: 43
Views: 11445

Re: What has Delta not massively cut flights to Europe this summer as United has?

I think all it takes is one carrier to do it for other carriers to do it. Now that AA has made its cuts, DL/UA will do so too. There is a lot for the carriers to decide right now. A lot of them have decided how much they want to cut but not necessarily where they want to cut just yet. Give the carr...

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by TW870
Tue Apr 07, 2020 3:48 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020
Replies: 542
Views: 99308

Re: How much worse is COVID-19 than 9/11 for the airline industry?

I was on the front lines at United during 9/11 and am no longer in the industry. But this has to be much, much worse due to the global scale of the crisis. 9/11 and SARS were basically one period, which did cause vast disruption across the globe. But even so, nothing suppressed demand to this extrem...

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by TW870
Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 4/5/2020: Jaw-Dropping
Replies: 152
Views: 25162

Re: OAG Changes 4/5/2020: Jaw-Dropping

It looks like American's Europe schedule is gutted to bare bones until October, when you begin to see less than daily service built back in to the larger, year-round European markets. Will be interesting to see how DL and UA build the fall to Europe. Thank you as always Enilria for archiving these p...

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by TW870
Sat Apr 04, 2020 4:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020
Replies: 542
Views: 99308

Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Seriously - why are US carriers still even flying around as much capacity as they are? States like TX and NM are now requiring arriving pax to quarantine for 14 days - and not just those from NY/NJ. It’s only a matter of time before every state is doing this, and the few folks traveling will dwindl...

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by TW870
Sat Apr 04, 2020 3:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: IAG sign LOI for 200 B737 Max
Replies: 398
Views: 71278

Re: IAG sign LOI for 200 B737 Max

I'd this deal is going to be kicked well into the long grass for quite some time now, and given the climate, perhaps the ball may well never be retrieved. I think it depends on how cheap the MAXs become after all the delays, and how much IAG can work delay compensation to their advantage. Sending o...

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by TW870
Sat Apr 04, 2020 3:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly
Replies: 1133
Views: 250015

Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

I may be over optimistic here but I sure hope these planes last through this and I could possibly fly on one before they go You really should be making a plan - and I understand anxiety from flying NOW. DL has long said that MD-88s would be gone by the end of the year. I have no reason to believe t...

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by TW870
Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly
Replies: 1133
Views: 250015

Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

The cargo airline in question is Everts Air Cargo. Their operations are centered in Alaska, and that means gravel runways. They don't seem to have much of a choice of frames to operate: with any low-wing aircraft with modern engines on pylons is ruled out for FOD risk. A company in Canada is invest...

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by TW870
Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly
Replies: 1133
Views: 250015

Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

My hunch is that the -88/-90 situation will continue to change. The fleet is doing exactly what is supposed to do. It provides lift while preserving cash. Reducing cash burn is the only priority at Delta now. Thus, they have stopped all deliveries of new aircraft. They still have to pay for all the...

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by TW870
Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly
Replies: 1133
Views: 250015

Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

My hunch is that the -88/-90 situation will continue to change. The fleet is doing exactly what is supposed to do. It provides lift while preserving cash. Reducing cash burn is the only priority at Delta now. Thus, they have stopped all deliveries of new aircraft. They still have to pay for all the ...

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by TW870
Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:31 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020
Replies: 542
Views: 99308

Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

MSP is my home airport. Airport reported today that the total parking spaces controlled by the airport are 2% full. Year-over-year TSA clearances for today down 94% It baffles me how much flying there is, as it is basically entirely empty. Just looking at random DL markets: MSP-DEN 4x MSP-SAN 2x MSP...

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by TW870
Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:38 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: US Carriers Considering Passenger Consolidation
Replies: 85
Views: 15457

Re: US Carriers Considering Passenger Consolidation

Two things. One example of this kind of government supervised collusion would be the 1974 Pan Am-TWA route swap, where the CAB and the DoT let Pan Am and TWA have a structured reduction in competition in international markets amid the recession and oil shock. Pan Am basically gave up flying BOS-Euro...

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by TW870
Sun Mar 29, 2020 8:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 3/29/2020: Meltdown
Replies: 109
Views: 17167

Re: OAG Changes 3/29/2020: Meltdown

Enilria you have mentioned this refund thing a couple of times and I am wondering about this too. Right now, people are losing their jobs left and right, and they are going to have a ton of cash locked up in dead airline reservations that they, at least for now, cannot get back. People are going to ...

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by TW870
Sun Mar 29, 2020 4:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 3/29/2020: Meltdown
Replies: 109
Views: 17167

Re: OAG Changes 3/29/2020: Meltdown

Thank you as always enilria - and especially now given the huge volume of work. I read all of this as very, very tentative. This load shows DL, for example, restarting much of its European operation in April, albeit at a far restricted volume. But the situation is just devastating there, especially ...

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by TW870
Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly
Replies: 1133
Views: 250015

Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Although the COVID crisis is unprecedented, past recessions did also make airplanes go away quickly and somewhat unexpectedly. The TWA Convair 880s, for example, were grounded very quickly after the economy crashed in late 1973. And the 1982 recession and interest rate spike pretty much ended it fo...

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by TW870
Sat Mar 28, 2020 3:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly
Replies: 1133
Views: 250015

Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Such an anticlimactic end for the -88/90s. I’ve been wondering what kind of send off they would get for a long time and it looks like this is it... Yeah it is so disappointing. And I doubt there will be enough cash on hand to do a proper retirement party once things ramp back up. Although the COVID...

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by TW870
Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 News and Reference Thread
Replies: 455
Views: 216223

Re: COVID-19 News and Reference Thread

PHL-based American Airlines flight attendant passes away from COVID. Terrible news, and my thoughts are with his loved ones. This article also has quotes from other flight attendants with the illness, as well as from Sara Nelson from AFA. https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/26/us/flight-attendant-coronaviru...

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by TW870
Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:47 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Will airlines adjust status because of COVID-19
Replies: 17
Views: 2879

Re: Will airlines adjust status because of COVID-19

I'm currently a Delta Plat and don't really understand how people can be so fixated on this question at the current time. There's plenty of time left in the year to think about such things, why on earth would you worry about it now under current circumstances? I'm guessing DL will do something, but...

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by TW870
Thu Mar 26, 2020 8:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II
Replies: 1993
Views: 336599

Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Operations are getting smaller everywhere. Just to give you an idea for DL's MSP operation where I am and which is always busy. As of 3:45 central time on March 26th, an A321 is taxiing out for DTW after having left the gate at 3:44. Prior to that, the last mainline departure was a 757 to SLC that p...

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by TW870
Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The new domestic service standard: just water. DL now onboard.
Replies: 207
Views: 28168

Re: The new domestic service standard: just water. DL now onboard.

As a platinum on DL I fully support this - because it helps flatten the curve and keep the flight attendants (and passengers) safe. I relocated to work remotely during the lockdown. On that relocation flight, which was a DL West Coast to the Midwest flight, I got my upgrade on a flight with a hot di...

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by TW870
Wed Mar 25, 2020 8:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2020
Replies: 162
Views: 29974

Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2020

I believe - and can anyone confirm - that Delta has stopped all deliveries for now? On the A220 fleet, N132DU made its third flight at YMX on March 10th and has not flown again. N134DU made its first flight on March 22nd. Normally 132 would already have been delivered. Are these birds going to stay ...

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by TW870
Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 3/22/2020
Replies: 87
Views: 14858

Re: OAG Changes 3/22/2020: APOCALYPSE

It's really becoming clear to me that airlines can't cut flights fast enough from their schedule. These cuts just aren't close to what needs to happen. I'm noticing that in CLE UA is cancelling quite a few flights, maybe this is easier to do than loading new schedules. If they cancel in advance thr...

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by TW870
Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 3/22/2020
Replies: 87
Views: 14858

Re: OAG Changes 3/22/2020

Amazing how some of this is already outdated. For example UA announced they’re suspending all transborder ops for April as are WS. Yep these cuts are already totally outdated. Right now the way it seems to be working - at least at DL - is that they are zeroing out a lot of flights so they can stop ...

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by TW870
Fri Mar 20, 2020 11:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier
Replies: 1897
Views: 330570

Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

I think this is true of all airlines, no airline will be the same size it was when this is crisis is over. It will be years before this industry fully recovers from COVID-19. A lot of airplanes are going to be retired and not replaced because many airlines will defer new deliveries which will have ...

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by TW870
Fri Mar 20, 2020 9:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020
Replies: 344
Views: 72101

Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Apparently A339 will fly SEA-CDG-SEA. Can anyone confirm and indicate the period ? I can see May 15th with the A339 on delta.com but not May 31st for example (revert back to A333). Take everything that is loaded with a heavy dose of salt. DL is running day-to-day right now. hkcanadaexpat thank you ...

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by TW870
Fri Mar 20, 2020 12:39 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly
Replies: 1133
Views: 250015

Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

This is going to be such an unusual situation since I would guess that by next week, DL will temporarily ground almost all of its aircraft. So at some point, you will need to restart all the fleets almost from scratch, which was different even than after 9/11, when except for the 3-4 day ground stop...

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by TW870
Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2020
Replies: 162
Views: 29974

Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2020

https://news.delta.com/ed-bastian-memo-delta-taking-additional-steps-protect-our-future Does anyone want to take a guess which 767's are taking an early trip to the heap? Ed says "older" aircraft, but I thought the 76T' s we're going first? No mention of the Star Trek the Next Generation ...

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by TW870
Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Aviation sector unpaid leaves and layoffs thread
Replies: 202
Views: 32978

Re: Airlines unpaid leaves and layoffs thread

I feel bad for my wife. She’s a little over a month from passing probation so she would be the first to go and not included in the furlough language if that’s the route UA takes. Crazy and incredibly sad how fast this happened. A month ago we were in Chicago celebrating the optimistic, bright futur...

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by TW870
Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:59 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 108
Views: 11498

Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2020

The 7pm arrivals bank on Tuesday 3/17 was crazy. Very busy with Minnesotans repatriating from mostly warm weather destinations. My baggage claim was belt 6 with a PSP, DTW, and ATL flight arriving. All 3 flights had a 20+ minute wait for bags - I would assume because it had been slow the rest of the...

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by TW870
Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020
Replies: 344
Views: 72101

Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

It's been noted elsewhere that there's a difference between parking and retiring. I hope nobody here really thinks DL is retiring a 13 year-old A333. It's just getting some time in the Arizona sun. Yeah, I hope my wording was clear enough (hence my use of the word "parked")...guess we'll ...

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by TW870
Sun Mar 15, 2020 5:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020
Replies: 344
Views: 72101

Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Upon doing more research, the follow are DL widebody arrivals today at Marana (MZJ)

1x763 (from PDX)
1xA332 (from DTW)
3x A333 (1xJFK, 2xMSP)
1x764 (from ATL)
2 x 77L (1xMSP, 1xATL)

Sadly, many more are on the way I am sure.

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by TW870
Sun Mar 15, 2020 5:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Early retirement for flight crews
Replies: 72
Views: 11467

Re: Early retirement for flight crews

As others have said, seniority allows senior pilots on fleets that are being parked to displace more junior pilots on other fleets in order to keep flying. However, at many carriers, the company can "bypass" retraining to avoid too much training churn. So say there is a captain on a 767 at...

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