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by Finn350
Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:34 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5479
Views: 741240

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

Two different witness accounts. What I like is that they're not using big words to describe what they saw, they are using plain folk speech. To me that's believable. https://youtu.be/DnCtVuLn5iY https://youtu.be/3A9uHGqiyUA Does mcas make a plane burn, too? "Before falling down, the plane rota...

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by Finn350
Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:18 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5479
Views: 741240

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

Two different witness accounts. What I like is that they're not using big words to describe what they saw, they are using plain folk speech. To me that's believable. https://youtu.be/DnCtVuLn5iY https://youtu.be/3A9uHGqiyUA Does mcas make a plane burn, too? "Before falling down, the plane rota...

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by Finn350
Wed Mar 13, 2019 5:48 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5479
Views: 741240

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

As this is an American Made Aircraft the NTSB has a right to at least be an observer to the investigation. It would be routine for them to request that they do the downloads. However, Ethiopia (or any country doing the investigation) can make their own decision on where they are downloaded, and by ...

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by Finn350
Wed Mar 13, 2019 5:10 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q1 2019
Replies: 6476
Views: 743624

Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

There is a good article in Wall Street Journal regarding the upcoming MCAS change (it is behind paywall, but if you Google it on iPad, you are able to read it): A company spokesman confirmed the update would use feeds from multiple sensors in the MAX’s stall-prevention system—instead of the current ...

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by Finn350
Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q1 2019
Replies: 6476
Views: 743624

Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

A review by FAA has found that there is no basis to ground the 737 Max. The FAA also stated that other civil aviation authorities have not provided data that would warrant action at this time. https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/12/faa-administrator-says-review-of-boeing-737-max-provides-no-basis-to-groun...

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by Finn350
Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B737 MAX Production storage during grounding.
Replies: 37
Views: 6261

Re: B737 MAX Production storage during grounding.

Grounded for commercial passengers flights only. They can be ferried to the operators.

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by Finn350
Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q1 2019
Replies: 6476
Views: 743624

Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

https://fr24.com/FZ8514/1fc84baf

Passengers are probably staying at a hotel. I am not sure whether 737-800 has enough range for HEL, hopefully.
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Now the FlyDubai aircraft is flying back home empty, I suppose

Flight FZ8514 from Helsinki
https://fr24.com/FZ8514/1fc84baf

Passengers are probably staying at a hotel. I am not sure whether 737-800 has enough range for HEL, hopefully.

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by Finn350
Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q1 2019
Replies: 6476
Views: 743624

Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

How many operators, owners and airworthiness authorities knew until this week Boeing were urgently working on software and hardware changes to make the safe MAX, even safer? How many knew this work was initiated within 2 weeks of the Lion crash, while Boeing PR, including on this site, pointed at L...

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by Finn350
Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q1 2019
Replies: 6476
Views: 743624

Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

FlyDubai return from HEL to DXB got cancelled. The plane is now at HEL. Yes. If I had a ticket on that flight and were in a position to decide whether to reschedule or fly with the 737MAX, I would fly. I don’t think that there currently are any 737MAX pilots who are not familiar with the trim cutou...

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by Finn350
Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q1 2019
Replies: 6476
Views: 743624

Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

One FlyDubai flight on the way to Helsinki. Most likely won't be allowed into Finnish airspace so might end up in Saint Petersburg. It looks like that it will land in Helsinki (and probably fly empty back). Any other option would be a logistical nightmare (because of Visa requirements in Russia etc...

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by Finn350
Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5479
Views: 741240

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

People keep going on and on about the MCAS, but if the FR24 data is reasonably accurate, this aircraft had barely reached 1000' AGL in the first 3 minutes of the flight. If the plane wasn't climbing, would the pilots retract the flaps? I guess maybe if they couldn't get the nose up and they still h...

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by Finn350
Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5479
Views: 741240

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

A number of assumptions in this thread are simply wrong. Boeing did not do the MAX because they were short of money. They in fact wanted to do an all new plane - airlines would not wait after the 320neo came out. I recall reading back at the time that Boeing did approach airlines re: a clean sheet ...

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by Finn350
Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q1 2019
Replies: 6476
Views: 743624

Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

FCAFLYBOY wrote:
DY1802 OSL-AGP is still en--route too, yet ARN-TLV turned around a while ago to return to base? Hmmm


Returning to their bases, most likely.

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by Finn350
Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q1 2019
Replies: 6476
Views: 743624

Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

News article in a Finnish newspaper: Norwegian 737MAX was ready to taxi for HEL-OUL flight, departing at 3:55 PM today. Then the captain announced the plane has ”a technical defect” and the flight is cancelled.

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by Finn350
Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q1 2019
Replies: 6476
Views: 743624

Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

I wonder if individual airlines (i.e. Norwegian) are also grounding because people, like myself, have voted with their wallets and gone elsewhere for flights. They said yesterday that they had no plans whatsoever to ground theirs. Same with Icelandair and there is a statement expcected soone from I...

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by Finn350
Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q1 2019
Replies: 6476
Views: 743624

Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

The design flaw related to the MCAS under certain malfunctions was identified in the Lion Air accident aftermath. The MCAS design flaw is there and it will be corrected. The Ethiopian accident has not revealed any new information regarding the MCAS operation, unless there is a new failure mode not p...

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by Finn350
Tue Mar 12, 2019 1:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q1 2019
Replies: 6476
Views: 743624

Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

It probably has been mentioned here, but anyway: Does a national ban mean a ban on operating the aircraft by national carriers anywhere in the world + a ban on operating the aircraft to/from said country - or does it also cover crossing that countries airspace without actually taking off or touchin...

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by Finn350
Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:30 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q1 2019
Replies: 6476
Views: 743624

Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

Here is my take: there is a design fault in the 737MAX MCAS that manifests itself only under certain malfunctions (invalid AoA value). There is a pilot memory item that will disable MCAS under those malfunctions. However, it is not good practice to circumvent design faults by memory items. Boeing wi...

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by Finn350
Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:35 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q1 2019
Replies: 6476
Views: 743624

Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

Does anyone follow what Greg Feith (NTSB) posted on facebook? Sounds like pilot error in all 3 crashes. ET, Atlas and Lion air (MX problem identified there). Ex NTSB. pl don't post fake information here. Didn't follow, but looked at his recent Facebook posts now. He says nowhere that any of the cra...

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by Finn350
Tue Mar 12, 2019 4:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5479
Views: 741240

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

The FAA anticipates mandating these design changes by AD no later than April 2019.[/list] ⋅ Design changes include: ⋅ - MCAS Activation Enhancements ⋅ - MCAS AOA Signal Enhancements ⋅ - MCAS Maximum Command Limit ⋅ Boeing’s plans to update training ...

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by Finn350
Tue Mar 12, 2019 4:01 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q1 2019
Replies: 6476
Views: 743624

Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

Here is the FAA Continued Airworthiness Notification to the International Community (CANIC) on Boeing 787-8: https://www.scribd.com/document/401633286/FAA-Statement-on-Boeing-787-Max-8 Continued Airworthiness Notification to the International Community To: Civil Aviation Authorities Date: March 11, ...

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by Finn350
Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:56 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5479
Views: 741240

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

Here is the FAA Continued Airworthiness Notification to the International Community (CANIC) on Boeing 787-8: https://www.scribd.com/document/401633286/FAA-Statement-on-Boeing-787-Max-8 Continued Airworthiness Notification to the International Community To: Civil Aviation Authorities Date: March 11, ...

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by Finn350
Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5479
Views: 741240

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

The quality of this thread is deteriorating. While the FO experience probably is a factor in the crash, there are now tens of posts regarding that which don’t any longer contribute to the discussion. And there are other similar subject matters earlier in this thread with similar consequences.

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by Finn350
Mon Mar 11, 2019 5:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5479
Views: 741240

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ethiopia-airplane/after-ethiopia-crash-horror-some-nations-ground-boeing-737-max-8s-idUSKBN1QS15F If the witness account is accurate, it wasn't an mcas issue. Of course those frequently aren't but it does seem to match the combination of scattered goods and scorch...

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by Finn350
Mon Mar 11, 2019 8:38 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5479
Views: 741240

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

Correct me if I'm wrong, from what I recall of the flightradar24 plot, the aircraft didn't get much higher than 1000 -1500' agl. Would they have retracted the flaps that low? FR24 has only first 3 minutes of the flight recorded, the rest of the flight was out of their coverage. The pilots reported ...

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by Finn350
Mon Mar 11, 2019 8:33 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5479
Views: 741240

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

Here is a FlightGlobal article that is quite relevant regarding the training changes since Lion Air crash. For some reason, the software update schedule has been delayed (estimated to be available last December in 8 weeks) https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/american-pilots-get-mcas-training-...

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by Finn350
Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:34 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q1 2019
Replies: 6476
Views: 743624

Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

Question: if you were an airline, would you accept delivery if a new 737-Max 8 right now? Grounding is a condition subsequent, which at the very least allows Chinese airlines to defer deliveries without penalty. Are you saying Boeing is financially responsible to the airlines if the authorities gro...

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by Finn350
Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:21 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5479
Views: 741240

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

LN-KGL wrote:
Can these problems with the 737Max danger Boeing's future?


No, as even if the 2nd crash is MCAS related, the issue can most likely be mitigated with a software fix. Everybody knows that basic 737 design is 50 years old, and age shows when new features are implemented..

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by Finn350
Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:59 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777-9 roll out delayed (originally planned for 13 Mar)
Replies: 207
Views: 48504

Re: Boeing Postpones Launch of 777X After Ethiopia Airlines Crash

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/10/business/boeing-777x-debut-postponed/index.html Interesting that a 737-MAX crash is already affecting 777X ops. I guess there are a number of systems on the two which are new/identical, and they want to make sure the 777X doesn't fall prey to the same problems ?? ...

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by Finn350
Sun Mar 10, 2019 10:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5479
Views: 741240

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

Bloomberg now reporting there were similarities in the accidents, likely a result of their journalists reading this forum. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-10/two-short-erratic-flights-end-in-tragedy-could-they-be-linked If you read the article you will notice they have multiple sour...

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by Finn350
Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5479
Views: 741240

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

MCAS itself is no different to the kind of software every single Airbus since the A320 uses. The only potential issue is in its specific implementation, and communication to pilots. The difference is that A320 was designed fly-by-wire from the beginning, and as a result of this there are triple sen...

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by Finn350
Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5479
Views: 741240

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

MCAS or no MCAS, the aircraft pretty much went into a nose dive in the seconds leading the crash, based on the crater images of crash site. At this point the lack of data from the last couple of minutes because of no FR24 coverage in that area makes any statements mere speculations. With that in mi...

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by Finn350
Sun Mar 10, 2019 10:44 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5479
Views: 741240

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

Well, FR24 data shows the aircraft climber at least 8000 ft when FR24 data stopped do (note that data feed stopped well before the crash, as FR24 coverage is limited to the immediate airport area). Since ADD is 7650 ft., one could conclude that aircraft altitude was at least 15000 ft AMSL https://p...

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by Finn350
Sun Mar 10, 2019 10:37 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5479
Views: 741240

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

Well, FR24 data shows the aircraft climber at least 8000 ft when FR24 data stopped do (note that data feed stopped well before the crash, as FR24 coverage is limited to the immediate airport area). Since ADD is 7650 ft., one could conclude that aircraft altitude was at least 15000 ft AMSL https://p...

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by Finn350
Sun Mar 10, 2019 9:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5479
Views: 741240

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

https://twitter.com/flightradar24/statu ... 3613764609
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Flightradar24 tweets they tracked the flight for about 3 minutes only because of their coverage of the area is limited

https://twitter.com/flightradar24/statu ... 3613764609

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by Finn350
Sun Mar 10, 2019 9:35 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5479
Views: 741240

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

JoeCanuck wrote:
Flight ended at 8600' according to flightradar24. If accurate, it's not the same profile as the previous MAX accident...more like CFIT.


Good point, but there is loss of altitude in the climb phase, and while troubleshooting that they could have ended in (seemingly) controlled flight into terrain.

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by Finn350
Sun Mar 10, 2019 9:25 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5479
Views: 741240

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

There are 350 Boeing 737 MAX delivered as of January 31, 2019. Even if this crash is MCAS related, grounding the fleet will be a difficult decision for the FAA. There is a procedure how to recover the aircraft from the MCAS fault, not to mention the huge inconvenience the grounding would cause to th...

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by Finn350
Sun Mar 10, 2019 8:54 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5479
Views: 741240

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

A very brief playback on FR24 seems to show fluctuations in vertical speed just after take-off. Could that be MCAS problems again? Very sad news. It could be an MCAS problem, but frankly there is not enough information to reach conclusions at this early stage. There were reports Boeing was developi...

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by Finn350
Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WSJ: Airbus Not Interested In Stretching A350-1000
Replies: 81
Views: 14700

Re: WSJ: Airbus Not Interested In Stretching A350-1000

Making the assumption that NMA gets launched, Boeing ends up with a 737 with a record backlog, an all new NMA, a very modern 787, and a very modern 777x, and a clear path to a NSA. The A322 approach is fine, but from what we can see it will be an 80's narrowbody metal fuse with new wing/wingbox, wh...

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by Finn350
Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:11 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: The world's longest-running airlines
Replies: 60
Views: 11246

Re: The world's longest-running airlines

C S Rolls and F H Royce got together in 1904, and were incorporated in 1906 as Rolls-Royce Ltd. In 1971 Rolls-Royce Limited entered voluntary liquidation. It remains in existence today, still in liquidation, with a file number for its name. However, back in 1971 it's business and assets were bought...

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by Finn350
Thu Mar 07, 2019 9:20 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: The world's longest-running airlines
Replies: 60
Views: 11246

Re: The world's longest-running airlines

None of the contenders are without a few skeletons in their closet. And I say that after considerably longer than 2 minutes research into the various claims. Continuous operation, even during WWII? Several candidates only just manage to wriggle their way through that period. Still the same legal en...

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by Finn350
Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:37 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: The world's longest-running airlines
Replies: 60
Views: 11246

Re: The world's longest-running airlines

United Airlines (1926) Ok, United Airlines was set up in 1928, but as they acquired Varney Air Lines which had been set up in 1926, they have a claim for 1926. I suppose the CNN article looks at which legal entities have been running the longest, and Varney Air Lines itself is not such. https://en....

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by Finn350
Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:03 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: The world's longest-running airlines
Replies: 60
Views: 11246

Re: The world's longest-running airlines

Kilopond wrote:
Why does Iberia count when the original company is legally not related to the original one?


What do you mean? Iberia ownership has certainly changed over the years (current owner is the IAG holding company), but as an airline it is still the same legal company as in 1927.

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by Finn350
Tue Mar 05, 2019 9:10 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: The world's longest-running airlines
Replies: 60
Views: 11246

The world's longest-running airlines

Here are 10 of the oldest airlines in the world still in operation. BA missing from this list. 1. KLM 1919 2. Avianca 1919 3. Qantas 1920 4. Aeroflot 1923 5. Czech Airlines (CSA) 1923 6. Finnair 1923 (originally named Aero O/Y) 7. Delta Air Lines 1924 8. Tajik Air (until January 2019) 1924 9. Air Se...

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by Finn350
Mon Mar 04, 2019 1:44 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Should airlines ditch AVODs for inflight internet?
Replies: 52
Views: 5195

Re: Should airlines ditch AVODs for inflight internet?

Gogo claims bandwidth of 15 Mbps per passenger when using their technology https://www.gogoair.com/learning-center/get-loads-bandwidth-plane/ The few times I have used in-flight internet (most recently AY HEL-NRT), the speed has been very sluggish, and naturally Youtube, Netflix etc. were blocked. C...

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by Finn350
Thu Feb 28, 2019 9:04 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: British Airways commits to ordering 18 777-9 plus an additional 24 options
Replies: 254
Views: 49011

Re: British Airways commits to ordering 18 777-9 plus an additional 24 options

Congrats to Boeing, this is a big endorsement for the 777X! Probably cancelled 777X slots helped to get this deal through, as well as the fact that the 777X is effectively the largest jet in production.

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by Finn350
Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas
Replies: 1891
Views: 434504

Re: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

I slowed the video down to listen to that part and don’t hear anything after “Ok”. The first few times I listened, I thought it was static from the line being clicked, but now I hear it with "regularity". Don't slow it down. Just listen to the noise behind the "OK" I could be he...

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by Finn350
Sat Feb 23, 2019 11:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas
Replies: 1891
Views: 434504

Re: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

Sad to hear the news. It appears that the ETL operated as designed, although in this case the wreckage would have been located quickly anyway.

Edit: Listening to the VASAviation recording it appears that the ELT didn’t activate.

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by Finn350
Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:18 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021
Replies: 871
Views: 108550

Re: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021

ANA will. OK, they are using the new staircase in the rear. The layout is interesting otherwise, too. There is a bar counter (apparently self-service) in each of the 4 classes https://www.ana.co.jp/group/en/pr/201804/img/20180425-2-002.png https://www.ana.co.jp/group/en/pr/201804/img/20180425-2-003...

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