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by Finn350
Sat Feb 23, 2019 9:58 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021
Replies: 871
Views: 108550

Re: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021

Noshow wrote:
AFAIK some late build aircraft will get some of the plus cabin mods. Different stairhouses and such.


You are saying that EK will have smaller staircases in their final frames?

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by Finn350
Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021
Replies: 871
Views: 108550

Re: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021

AvWeek: Why Airbus Was Chasing The Wrong Enemy When It Launched The A380 is a pretty good write up. Its main thrust: More than two decades ago, the European aerospace industry was obsessive about competing with the Boeing 747. The Europeans suspected that its rival’s largest airliner generated prof...

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by Finn350
Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Icelandair negotiating with Boeing and Airbus for a 757 replacement
Replies: 123
Views: 24274

Re: Icelandair negotiating with Boeing and Airbus for a 757 replacement

The paper itself has more in-depth coverage, and there the 3 possible paths forward are explained further; 1. Icelandair orders the current A320neo family along with A321XLRs. All Boeing-aircraft, including the 737 , would then be sold and FI proceeds as an Airbus-only airline. Is this a realistic ...

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by Finn350
Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:16 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Was the A380 to early? And could it come back as a NEO in the future?
Replies: 11
Views: 1430

Re: Was the A380 to early? And could it come back as a NEO in the future?

This is the same case as with the 757: even if the 757 and A380 were ahead of their time, when their time comes they have to be designed as new clean-sheet aircraft (what Boeing is currently doing with the NMA). The old 757 and A380 technology is outdated. The 757 sold over 1000 frames, it wasn't a...

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by Finn350
Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Was the A380 to early? And could it come back as a NEO in the future?
Replies: 11
Views: 1430

Re: Was the A380 to early? And could it come back as a NEO in the future?

This is the same case as with the 757: even if the 757 and A380 were ahead of their time, when their time comes they have to be designed as new clean-sheet aircraft (what Boeing is currently doing with the NMA). The old 757 and A380 technology is outdated.

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by Finn350
Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:56 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: US First Class vs EU Business Class
Replies: 58
Views: 5560

Re: US First Class vs EU Business Class

I remember traveling on proper business all through the 90s up until around 2005. Are we talking narrow-bodies here? As far as I remember, Business Class at least here in Finland in narrow-bodies has been a separate section with the middle seat not occupied. That's the point, the middle seat is not...

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by Finn350
Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:44 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: US First Class vs EU Business Class
Replies: 58
Views: 5560

Re: US First Class vs EU Business Class

There used to be «proper» business/first seats in Europe. As far as I know it disapeared in the 80s or around there I remember traveling on proper business all through the 90s up until around 2005. Are we talking narrow-bodies here? As far as I remember, Business Class at least here in Finland in n...

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by Finn350
Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021
Replies: 871
Views: 108550

Re: A380

With Airbus announcing the stop in production of A380 what are emirates going to do about fairly short routes to slot restricted airports. E.G LHR They already send up to 7 A380 surely long term this is just going to increase passengers cost. This shows 3 x A380 alone. https://youtu.be/vrlLJEbl-88 ...

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by Finn350
Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:18 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021
Replies: 871
Views: 108550

Re: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021

Boof02671 wrote:
What will happen with the new Belugas?


They will ferry parts for 110 A350s or so and countless A320s a year and won't ferry parts for 6 A380s a year or so after 2021.

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by Finn350
Sun Feb 17, 2019 6:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A380 freighter?
Replies: 22
Views: 3578

Re: A380 freighter?

If I remember correctly neither of the A380 passenger decks are strong enough to be cargo decks so we can forget P2F for this reason, too.

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by Finn350
Sun Feb 17, 2019 6:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What is the 'bubble' on BOAC's 747-100s?
Replies: 11
Views: 7761

Re: What is the 'bubble' on BOAC's 747-100s?

I would say that is just a feature of the original 747-100 with 3 pairs of windows on the upper deck.

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by Finn350
Sun Feb 17, 2019 1:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A380 freighter?
Replies: 22
Views: 3578

Re: A380 freighter?

From the article:

IN FLIGHT: Picture taken in 2004 in Germany's air space shows the EADS Airbus' A380F freighter.


I wonder how they got it so wrong.

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by Finn350
Sun Feb 17, 2019 8:19 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A350 to have RR Ultrafan Engines from ~2025, Ostrower
Replies: 224
Views: 44915

Re: Airbus A350 to have RR Ultrafan Engines from ~2025, Ostrower

A350NEO, especially with a stretch, means Airbus sets the 777X expiration date prior to its EIS. That means long-term planners may opt into the A350 family in the interim rather than ordering 777X. Hopefully this means Boeing launches a new VLA soon. VLAs are dead. Simple as that. The A380 proves i...

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by Finn350
Sun Feb 17, 2019 6:49 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: When will EK move to Maktoum ?
Replies: 22
Views: 5328

Re: When will EK move to Maktoum ?

Aren’t they at capacity limit at DXB, meaning that if 777X is going to replace A380, they have to move to DWC? Of course it will take several years beyond 2021 that the A380 fleet is going to dwindle.

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by Finn350
Sun Feb 17, 2019 1:11 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021
Replies: 871
Views: 108550

Re: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021

ARN got last year an A380 3-bridge gate (F66). They don’t have yet A380 service, but EK will likely upgrade their service to A380 in coming years.

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by Finn350
Sun Feb 17, 2019 12:15 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021
Replies: 871
Views: 108550

Re: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021

But airports designed runway and taxiway bridges with the future in mind, but not everyone saw the future at over 500 tons Taxi weight. The A380 is over 600 tons. Well over. Boeing kept the 748 below 500 tons, in order to make it far more compatible. A380 MTOW is 575 tons. Where do you get “well ov...

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by Finn350
Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread
Replies: 278
Views: 69199

Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

N14AZ wrote:
JerseyFlyer wrote:
And trying to sell the original A300-based frames.

Interesting. Who might buy them?


As per the article, specialist cargo operators such as Cargolux and Russian outsize-freight carrier Volga-Dnepr Group.

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by Finn350
Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:58 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: A380 Biggest manufacturing loss in civil aviation to date?
Replies: 127
Views: 14961

Re: A380 Biggest manufacturing loss in civil aviation ?

I'm not sure why this is considered a sad thing. Minus the costs involved in shutting down production, they're all sunk costs. With this move, Airbus can utilize those resources for something else more lucrative and the company and its shareholders will be better off for it. Unfortunately, it can a...

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by Finn350
Sat Feb 16, 2019 4:47 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Will EK Add Showers & Bars To The 777?
Replies: 7
Views: 3337

Re: Will EK Add Showers & Bars To The 777?

Showers not going to happen and most likely no bar either. A380 has forward and rear staircases around which there is extra space difficult to utilize for the seating which makes showers and a bar feasible in that frame.

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by Finn350
Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Production Rates in 2019, Consolidated Thread
Replies: 11
Views: 1018

Re: Production Rates in 2019, Consolidated Thread

Good consolidation. In Airbus world, there are 11 months in a year. Revised Airbus rates... A220: 73 A320neo: 624 to 660 A330: 38-50 A350: 110 A380: 8 853 to 901 which is a much narrower range. I would be inclined to guess the A330 rate is closer to 38 than 50 and that we can split the baby on the ...

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by Finn350
Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus aims to reach breakeven on A350 this year
Replies: 29
Views: 5338

Re: So Airbus is losing money on every a350 sold??

Don't you have to compare when Boeing achieved positive cash flow not accounting for the deferred production cost on each frame to compare apples to apples? Cash flow based metrics are the same in both accounting methods, so it is apples to apples. Ok. So if what is said above is true (787 went cas...

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by Finn350
Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:05 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: A380 Biggest manufacturing loss in civil aviation to date?
Replies: 127
Views: 14961

Re: A380 Biggest manufacturing loss in civil aviation ?

Deferred production cost is the production cost exceeding revenue. Of course it is a loss that must be recovered of the production profit of the later frames. Deferred production cost has nothing to do with revenue. It is the difference between actual production cost and the long-term estimated ave...

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by Finn350
Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus aims to reach breakeven on A350 this year
Replies: 29
Views: 5338

Re: So Airbus is losing money on every a350 sold??

A350 production reached positive cash flow in 2018 - meaning the plane now costs less to build than it was sold for. Contrast this with how long it took Boeing to achieve positive cash flow on 787 deliveries. Don't you have to compare when Boeing achieved positive cash flow not accounting for the d...

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by Finn350
Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A350 to have RR Ultrafan Engines from ~2025, Ostrower
Replies: 224
Views: 44915

Re: Airbus A350 to have RR Ultrafan Engines from ~2025, Ostrower

btw - Keesje's ecoliner is garbage. What a sudden aggression. The Ecoliner was a nice project ages ago. I have no idea why you are suddenly so ferociously trying to downplay the concept on details, as it was hardly specified and basic specs are in line with similar aircraft. Are you fighting your o...

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by Finn350
Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Are US Trans-cons Diverting for Fuel?
Replies: 84
Views: 14780

Re: Are US Trans-cons Diverting for Fuel?

Super80Fan wrote:
This is what happens when you stick A320/A321's on routes that should be 757/767/A330's.


Unless you configure A321 premium heavy with only 102 seats. I suppose AA A321 transcons don’t need fuel diversions even under these conditions.

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by Finn350
Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:20 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: A380 Biggest manufacturing loss in civil aviation to date?
Replies: 127
Views: 14961

Re: A380 Biggest manufacturing loss in civil aviation ?

Didn’t mean to imply that, not even close, I think the 787 will eventually be a profitable program for Boeing The 787 development cost is at least $15 billion and then there is the deferred production cost of around $30 billion. By that standard the 787 program has made even greater loss of around ...

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by Finn350
Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Production Rates in 2019, Consolidated Thread
Replies: 11
Views: 1018

Re: Production Rates in 2019, Consolidated Thread

Good consolidation. In Airbus world, there are 11 months in a year.

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by Finn350
Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:19 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: A380 Biggest manufacturing loss in civil aviation to date?
Replies: 127
Views: 14961

Re: A380 Biggest manufacturing loss in civil aviation ?

The 787 was a mistake? Didn’t mean to imply that, not even close, I think the 787 will eventually be a profitable program for Boeing The 787 development cost is at least $15 billion and then there is the deferred production cost of around $30 billion. By that standard the 787 program has made even ...

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by Finn350
Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Will Airbus accept any more A380 orders ?
Replies: 95
Views: 13927

Re: Will Airbus accept any more A380 orders ?

Imagine Boeing with a line-up like E2/B737/B747/B777/B787/B797 against Airbus' meager A220/A320/A330/A350. Let's take a closer look: - A220 outperforms E2 - A320 outperforms B737 - B747 is pretty much dead - B787 vs A330/A350, Airbus has an edge - B777 is customized for the ME3 requirements with ve...

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by Finn350
Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Will Airbus accept any more A380 orders ?
Replies: 95
Views: 13927

Re: Will Airbus accept any more A380 orders ?

Folks, was Airbus actually earning money with this program? I mean after all these expenses for the clean sheet A380, did they actually breake even? If yes, after how many sold frames? They were briefly cash positive on production 2-3 years ago. When they had to cut production rate they became cash...

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by Finn350
Fri Feb 15, 2019 1:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Potential of future Quad Engine passenger planes
Replies: 59
Views: 6633

Re: Potential of future Quad Engine passenger planes

Ziyulu wrote:
For the gates with 3 air bridges, is it possible to use all 3 air bridges to board a single deck plane like a 773 or 350?


No, as those planes have only 2 front doors (and the 3rd bridge is too high anyway).

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by Finn350
Fri Feb 15, 2019 1:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters: Etihad restructures aircraft orders
Replies: 83
Views: 14250

Re: Reuters: Etihad restructures aircraft orders

So, 19 77X gone, 42 A350s gone and an as yet unknown number of 787s. It's as official as you're ever going to get. Here is the official Airbus news release: A350 deliveries increased compared to 2017 and included 14 of the larger A350-1000s. The programme reached rate 10 in the fourth quarter of 20...

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by Finn350
Fri Feb 15, 2019 12:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters: Etihad restructures aircraft orders
Replies: 83
Views: 14250

Re: Reuters: Etihad restructures aircraft orders

So, 19 77X gone, 42 A350s gone and an as yet unknown number of 787s. It's as official as you're ever going to get. Here is the official Airbus news release: A350 deliveries increased compared to 2017 and included 14 of the larger A350-1000s. The programme reached rate 10 in the fourth quarter of 20...

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by Finn350
Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:18 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A380’s end of production affect on current operators ?
Replies: 21
Views: 4198

Re: A380’s end of production affect on current operators ?

That said, the halo's worn off. This has been treated as a prestige aircraft by the airlines that currently have it. It's hard to continue marketing it that way when the manufacturer has discontinued it due to lack of demand, and it's not an argument passengers are going to buy. To some extent this...

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by Finn350
Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:01 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021
Replies: 871
Views: 108550

Re: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021

If we are being honest; I recall when the A380 program was announced in 2000. It was pitting (then new) Point to Point travel (787) against traditional Hub and Spoke routings, which the A380 represented. Looks like Point to Point travel won handily as Boeing predicted the trend would go 19 years ag...

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by Finn350
Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:52 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates considering order changes - Airbus A380 for A330/A350 confirmed, Boeing 787 for 777-9 still possible
Replies: 879
Views: 141821

Re: Emirates considering order changes - Airbus A380 for A350, Boeing 787 for 777-9

While reducing premium seats in AA case. What part of what he said was incorrect? Jetblue has nothing else to use, so isn't applicable. AA A321 transcon is one of the most premium heavy configurations in existence with 10F / 20J / 72Y and more premium heavy than the 767 they replaced. One of the mo...

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by Finn350
Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates considering order changes - Airbus A380 for A330/A350 confirmed, Boeing 787 for 777-9 still possible
Replies: 879
Views: 141821

Re: Emirates considering order changes - Airbus A380 for A350, Boeing 787 for 777-9

Well, the A350 comes with RR engines, which I can not see them ordering again soon. ...and yet not even 24 hours later.... BOOM! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: [ And the single aisle A321 is inefficient when you want to use a high amount of premium seating. Riiight. JetBlue and American Ai...

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by Finn350
Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021
Replies: 871
Views: 108550

Re: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021

If we are being honest; I recall when the A380 program was announced in 2000. It was pitting (then new) Point to Point travel (787) against traditional Hub and Spoke routings, which the A380 represented. Looks like Point to Point travel won handily as Boeing predicted the trend would go 19 years ag...

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by Finn350
Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021
Replies: 871
Views: 108550

Re: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021

If we are being honest; I recall when the A380 program was announced in 2000. It was pitting (then new) Point to Point travel (787) against traditional Hub and Spoke routings, which the A380 represented. Looks like Point to Point travel won handily as Boeing predicted the trend would go 19 years ag...

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by Finn350
Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021
Replies: 871
Views: 108550

Re: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021

If we are being honest; I recall when the A380 program was announced in 2000. It was pitting (then new) Point to Point travel (787) against traditional Hub and Spoke routings, which the A380 represented. Looks like Point to Point travel won handily as Boeing predicted the trend would go 19 years ag...

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by Finn350
Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021
Replies: 871
Views: 108550

Re: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021

Without going over 450 replies, can the A380 still be ordered and delivered by 2021? For example, ANA is happy with their three A380s and wants two more new builds? Last options would obviously be the second-hand market but NH is not exactly known to acquire used aircraft. Last time that happened w...

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by Finn350
Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Confirmed: EK cancels 380's, orders 330neo and 350.
Replies: 214
Views: 35400

Re: Confirmed: EK cancels 380's, orders 330neo and 350.

Alias1024 wrote:
The 359 surprises me as I thought EK would be happy to see the 778 as their smallest long haul aircraft going forward.


The 778 is designed for niche missions (Ultra Long Haul) despite being the same size as the A359. In that sense the A359 is a logical choice.

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by Finn350
Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates' Business Model without the A380?
Replies: 113
Views: 19073

Re: Emirates' Business Model without the A380?

Breathe wrote:
Other than the showers (which only account for a tiny proportion of EK's customers) and possibly the bar, what will EK really be missing out on other than carrying fewer passengers using the 777-9?


You said it - the Bar ;)

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by Finn350
Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters: Etihad restructures aircraft orders
Replies: 83
Views: 14250

Re: Etihad restructures aircraft orders

This has not been a good week for Airbus lol From a commercial point of view, this has been an excellent week for Airbus. Shareholder value has increased around 6 % which is a lot. Where is the upside?? They basically had 81 orders cancelled and with the EK announcement, their still in the negative...

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by Finn350
Thu Feb 14, 2019 1:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021
Replies: 871
Views: 108550

Re: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021

They can’t waive RLI repayment. Those loans are made on commercial terms. I expect they can if the Lender (the governments of the UK, Germany and France) forgive the loan, which it appears they intend to do. The loan repayment is apparently conditional to the A380 launch being successful. Apparentl...

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by Finn350
Thu Feb 14, 2019 1:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Confirmed: EK cancels 380's, orders 330neo and 350.
Replies: 214
Views: 35400

Re: Confirmed: EK cancels 380's, orders 330neo and 350.

I think the biggest factor in both the rise and now decline of EK has been Tim Clark. His bare knuckles negotiating style worked for a long time but has come up short over the last few years. He kept demanding the newest and best tech for the cheapest price. That worked well, right up to the A380ne...

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by Finn350
Thu Feb 14, 2019 1:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters: Etihad restructures aircraft orders
Replies: 83
Views: 14250

Re: Etihad restructures aircraft orders

It's looking like they are trying to get out of their A359 order completely. https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/etihad-discussing-cancellation-of-42-a350s-455759/ This has not been a good week for Airbus lol From a commercial point of view, this has been an excellent week for Airbus. Shareh...

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by Finn350
Thu Feb 14, 2019 1:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates' Business Model without the A380?
Replies: 113
Views: 19073

Re: Emirates' Business Model without the A380?

747 is not going to be produced in 2030 in any version.

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by Finn350
Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021
Replies: 871
Views: 108550

Re: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021

Ok with the charge, the last portion of the sentence is the relevant one as it relates to RLI. Airbus took a charge of 463 million euros for shutdown costs, but is expected to be forgiven some 1 billion euros of outstanding European government loans under a funding system that stands at the centre ...

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by Finn350
Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021
Replies: 871
Views: 108550

Re: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021

So for me, the BBC link on the story is listed below, and below that one of my interest in the story. https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47231504 We are told that development cost for the A380 were written off, in all the A380 threads the discussion of RLI has been beaten around to death. Whether th...

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