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by bob75013
Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019
Replies: 4380
Views: 676526

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019

Lawsuits are beginning to materialize. https://www.the-star.co.ke/business/kenya/2019-08-14-a-kenyan-family-joins-1-billion-case-against-boeing/ I believe the Warsaw Convention, as ammended, applies to ET as it was an interntional flight. Thus damages for those unfortunate souls will not come anywh...

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by bob75013
Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 'urgently requires' more 737 MAX jets to support growth - co-founder
Replies: 40
Views: 9713

Re: Lion Air 'urgently requires' more 737 MAX jets to support growth - co-founder

Rumor is the US embassy stepped in and did a lot of talking with Lion Air and the Indonesian government to save the order. If Lion Air had their way the Boeing contract would have been canceled already, at this point Lion Air seeing as they can’t cancel just want to get as much out of it as they ca...

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by bob75013
Wed Aug 14, 2019 3:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 'urgently requires' more 737 MAX jets to support growth - co-founder
Replies: 40
Views: 9713

Re: Lion Air 'urgently requires' more 737 MAX jets to support growth - co-founder

Yeah, no. The clue is in the very first line of the article... And if Boeing offers what it thinks is a reasonable deal and Lion wants more, and Boeing says "NO." What will Lion do? Cancel the deal? -- I don't think so. Where will it get the planes it "urgently" needs? Centainly...

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by bob75013
Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 'urgently requires' more 737 MAX jets to support growth - co-founder
Replies: 40
Views: 9713

Re: Lion Air 'urgently requires' more 737 MAX jets to support growth - co-founder

Looks like the firm that operated the first MAX to crash seems to have enough confidence in the model to want more of them. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/1-lion-air-urgently-requires-113845840.html Yeah, no. The clue is in the very first line of the article... Needs to be satisfied with Boeing neg...

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by bob75013
Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 'urgently requires' more 737 MAX jets to support growth - co-founder
Replies: 40
Views: 9713

Re: Lion Air 'urgently requires' more 737 MAX jets to support growth - co-founder

Looks like the firm that operated the first MAX to crash seems to have enough confidence in the model to want more of them. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/1-lion-air-urgently-requires-113845840.html That's not what he says. He said the low-cost airline, which had previously threatened to cancel its...

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by bob75013
Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 'urgently requires' more 737 MAX jets to support growth - co-founder
Replies: 40
Views: 9713

Re: Lion Air 'urgently requires' more 737 MAX jets to support growth - co-founder

Isnt the max pretty much grounded worldwide? Why would they need the MAX when A can do it better? :stirthepot: :stirthepot: Sounds like Lion would prefer the grounding to end sooner rather than later. So if Lion goes to A, they can expect to receive their new planes by, what, about 2029 -- right??

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by bob75013
Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lion Air 'urgently requires' more 737 MAX jets to support growth - co-founder
Replies: 40
Views: 9713

Lion Air 'urgently requires' more 737 MAX jets to support growth - co-founder

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/1-lion-a ... 45840.html
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Looks like the firm that operated the first MAX to crash seems to have enough confidence in the model to want more of them.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/1-lion-a ... 45840.html

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by bob75013
Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:35 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Stapleton Airport question - how bad was it, really?
Replies: 28
Views: 6749

Re: Stapleton Airport question - how bad was it, really?

I flew out of Stapleton many times. I Liked the airport, and never had any substantial delays. Reember one of the last times I flew into it - after yet another of the DIA delayed openings and the pilot came on the PA as we flew over DIA and announced that DIA stood for "delayed into August"...

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by bob75013
Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United going after hidden-city travellers
Replies: 372
Views: 47404

Re: United going after hidden-city travellers

I have flown hidden city on UA. AA flew nonstop DFW to SPI. UA flew DFW/ORD/SPI but matched AA's lower fare. The DFW/ORD fare was higher than the DFW/SPI fare. Didn't do it often, but I did do it. UA never said anything.

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by bob75013
Sun Aug 11, 2019 8:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019
Replies: 4380
Views: 676526

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019

A new report puts the lost revenue at $4.1 billion loss by airlines due to the 737MAX grounding https://www.forbes.com/sites/tedreed/2019/08/10/new-report-puts-impact-of-boeing-737-max-grounding-at-41-billion/#346b3e491fdf Don't expect Boeing to pay lost revenue. If there had been no gronding and t...

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by bob75013
Tue Aug 06, 2019 6:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United going after hidden-city travellers
Replies: 372
Views: 47404

Re: United going after hidden-city travellers

It will be very difficult for a carrier to prove damages in court for a flight that the passenger paid for at the price the carrier chose to sell it, when the passenger did not take the flight and did not ask for money to be returned. We're primarily dealing with opportunity costs, which are by the...

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by bob75013
Sun Aug 04, 2019 7:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United going after hidden-city travellers
Replies: 372
Views: 47404

Re: United going after hidden-city travellers

Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, I am just hyper-analytical. Similar disclaimer. I'm not a lawyer. I'm just workshopping a hypothetical. My distaste regarding corporate behavior should be clear from my posts. My main question is: if corporations are so shameless about their greed, why aren't they usi...

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by bob75013
Sat Aug 03, 2019 9:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United going after hidden-city travellers
Replies: 372
Views: 47404

Re: United going after hidden-city travellers

DDR wrote:
umichman wrote:
I take the middle ground. I've done hidden city a number of times,


I guess I don't understand the return part. How do you get back home after skipping the last leg on the outbound flight?



By buying two one way tickets

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by bob75013
Fri Aug 02, 2019 6:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: IAG 737 Max Order Is Prompted by More Than Just Price: CEO
Replies: 151
Views: 26586

Re: IAG 737 Max Order Is Prompted by More Than Just Price: CEO

Garuda Indonesia (49) FlyDeal (30) China Southern (64) Air Lease Corp (3) Sriwijaya Air (2) Plus Jet Airways, Nok Air Perhaps you should refer to the end of the China Southern thread before you include China Southern ... https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1428247&p=21552615...

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by bob75013
Fri Aug 02, 2019 5:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: IAG 737 Max Order Is Prompted by More Than Just Price: CEO
Replies: 151
Views: 26586

Re: IAG 737 Max Order Is Prompted by More Than Just Price: CEO

....or Boeing offering earlier delivery slots due to the increasing number of cancelled orders.. What cancelled orders are they? There's flyadeal and ..... what????? Garuda Indonesia (49) FlyDeal (30) China Southern (64) Air Lease Corp (3) Sriwijaya Air (2) Plus Jet Airways, Nok Air Perhaps you sho...

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by bob75013
Fri Aug 02, 2019 2:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: IAG 737 Max Order Is Prompted by More Than Just Price: CEO
Replies: 151
Views: 26586

Re: IAG 737 Max Order Is Prompted by More Than Just Price: CEO

by738 wrote:
....or Boeing offering earlier delivery slots due to the increasing number of cancelled orders..



What cancelled orders are they?

There's flyadeal and ..... what?????

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by bob75013
Fri Aug 02, 2019 12:10 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United going after hidden-city travellers
Replies: 372
Views: 47404

Re: United going after hidden-city travellers

Once again UA proves it views it’s own customers as the enemy. If the public has found a loophole, it’s up to them to engineer a fix instead of gestapoing a stopgap solution. Its theft. The pax on the hidden city itenerary is effectively robbing UA of the extra revenue by doing ABC-JKL instead of A...

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by bob75013
Fri Aug 02, 2019 12:00 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United going after hidden-city travellers
Replies: 372
Views: 47404

Re: United going after hidden-city travellers

This would wreck many of the hub and spoke operations in the US as that is what fills some of the seats that enables the frequency and gauge that travelers prefer. Even WN has pricing that works this way. For instance on 8/19 I can fly PHX-SDF-MDW for $150 but if I want to fly that same PHX-SDF leg...

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by bob75013
Thu Aug 01, 2019 9:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United going after hidden-city travellers
Replies: 372
Views: 47404

Re: United going after hidden-city travellers

One customer here or there does not matter, but if such tactic was to become more significant (and UA says it's on the rise), it destroys the entire pricing model and takes up seats that could very well be sold at higher profit. For example, if a large volume of customers were to book cheaper ORD-S...

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by bob75013
Thu Aug 01, 2019 9:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Has the Max 8 been damaged as badly as DC-10 in the mind of the public?
Replies: 55
Views: 7001

Re: Has the Max 8 been damaged as badly as DC-10 in the mind of the public?

I am super skeptical of the IAG order. Is it firm or a MOU? If it is then it is worth the paper it’s written on. Just PR spin to try to build confidence in the Max / Boeing. Sandyb123 It's an MOU. And apart from only Seven other units, represents the entirety of 2019's sales. It's also obviously co...

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by bob75013
Thu Aug 01, 2019 9:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United going after hidden-city travellers
Replies: 372
Views: 47404

Re: United going after hidden-city travellers

Just another reason to fly WN.

WN's public stance on the matter is "If you can get a hidden city deal, grab it, and congratulations"

Of course anyone buying hidden city fares better be buying one way tickets.

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by bob75013
Thu Aug 01, 2019 7:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WN Practices Sustainable?
Replies: 148
Views: 18978

Re: WN Practices Sustainable?

Am I missing a reason their decades of consistent profits do not speak for themselves? Indeed they're profitable, however they're failing to see the difference between profit and more profit. Southwest chases profit, but they don't chase more profit. There are so many things they can make extra mon...

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by bob75013
Thu Aug 01, 2019 7:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737 replacement, back on the table in summer 2019?
Replies: 354
Views: 75232

Re: Boeing 737 replacement, back on the table in summer 2019?

To be fair, they wouldn't have any plans except for max in the next 2 years. Then again, Boeing wouldn't be talking about spending $132,000,000 to increae MAX production if it had any plan in the next 1-7 years to kill the model. Probably because once the dust settle, they would sell the MAX at bot...

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by bob75013
Thu Aug 01, 2019 7:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737 MAX - the Way of Return to the Skies
Replies: 4
Views: 1366

Re: Boeing 737 MAX - the Way of Return to the Skies

I would reply -- except I don't have three hours to read your post.

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by bob75013
Thu Aug 01, 2019 7:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Has the Max 8 been damaged as badly as DC-10 in the mind of the public?
Replies: 55
Views: 7001

Re: Has the Max 8 been damaged as badly as DC-10 in the mind of the public?

stlgph wrote:
No, the public *WILL* know what plane they will be flying on because when/if anything heads back into the skies , they'll be reminded at ad nauseam.

Good ole Max has a massive amount of problems no matter how it's packaged. This will be fun to watch.



Your "joy" is duly noted.

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by bob75013
Thu Aug 01, 2019 6:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737 replacement, back on the table in summer 2019?
Replies: 354
Views: 75232

Re: Boeing 737 replacement, back on the table in summer 2019?

Looks very much like Boeing does not have a 737 replacement on the table this summer https://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/news/2019/07/31/boeing-has-132m-plan-to-boost-737-max-production.html?ana=yahoo&yptr=yahoo To be fair, they wouldn't have any plans except for max in the next 2 years. Then a...

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by bob75013
Thu Aug 01, 2019 4:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WN Practices Sustainable?
Replies: 148
Views: 18978

Re: WN Practices Sustainable?

Which really shows that WN needs a 737-500 replacement. The 737-500 had 122 seats when the 737-300 had 137 seats. The slimline seat upgrade pushed the 737-300 and 737-700 to 143 seats. The MAX 7 is supposed to have 150 seats. WN started flying 737-200's with 122 seats. Several of the cities to whic...

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by bob75013
Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019
Replies: 4380
Views: 676526

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019

And then for those who think the entire 737 program should be scrapped at this point, I'm amazed at the drama and extremist position. Just because a couple issues need to be worked out in the design doesn't mean the whole product needs to be put down. Yes, the whole product needs to be put down. Th...

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by bob75013
Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WN Practices Sustainable?
Replies: 148
Views: 18978

Re: WN Practices Sustainable?

Am I missing a reason their decades of consistent profits do not speak for themselves? Indeed they're profitable, however they're failing to see the difference between profit and more profit. Southwest chases profit, but they don't chase more profit. There are so many things they can make extra mon...

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by bob75013
Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WN to close EWR
Replies: 272
Views: 45798

Re: WN to close EWR

Houston is about to pass Chicago as the 3rd biggest city in the U.S. One would think that Southwest would start adding lots more flights out of Houston where there are no restrictions. But they keep adding flights in DAL where they are so restricted While DAL is currently a bigger station than HOU ...

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by bob75013
Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WN Practices Sustainable?
Replies: 148
Views: 18978

Re: WN Practices Sustainable?

Indeed they're profitable, however they're failing to see the difference between profit and more profit. Southwest chases profit, but they don't chase more profit. There are so many things they can make extra money on which they don't. That's their weak point. Yet somehow WN has the best profit mar...

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by bob75013
Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WN Practices Sustainable?
Replies: 148
Views: 18978

Re: WN Practices Sustainable?

Indeed they're profitable, however they're failing to see the difference between profit and more profit. Southwest chases profit, but they don't chase more profit. There are so many things they can make extra money on which they don't. That's their weak point. Yet somehow WN has the best profit mar...

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by bob75013
Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WN Practices Sustainable?
Replies: 148
Views: 18978

Re: WN Practices Sustainable?

Are people still questioning WN? Why fix what isn't broken, as hOMSaR pointed out? The general answer to such a question is: Because what doesn't evolve, will eventually perish due to changing environmental pressures. . You seem to be saying the WN has not eveloved. Let's examine the premise. 1) So...

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by bob75013
Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:34 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WN Practices Sustainable?
Replies: 148
Views: 18978

Re: WN Practices Sustainable?

Southwest has developed a loyal customer base by having open seating, 2 free bags, and a no penalty cancel fee (albeit money spent converts to credit with a 12 month expiration date). The open seating is one feature of Southwest I don't like! Then fly someone else. Oh, it doesnt seem to bother the ...

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by bob75013
Fri Jul 26, 2019 9:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: JFK Airport in the 1960's and 1970's
Replies: 65
Views: 15194

Re: JFK Airport in the 1960's and 1970's

ArchGuy1 wrote:
What exactly was the experience of flying in and out of JFK Airport in New York City like in the 1960's and 1970's because I know that it is horrible today based on secondhand accounts.



To a 9 year old flying KLM from Idlewyld to Amsterdam in 1959 it was a pretty exciting place.

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by bob75013
Fri Jul 26, 2019 6:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WN to close EWR
Replies: 272
Views: 45798

Re: WN to close EWR

well? What did he expect? For WN to go there and everybody would just DROP who they were flying and flock to WN? n some cities? WN is Not a big deal and they'll have to earn their "Stripes" like everybody Else. Maybe they could have started at LGA or Westchester county. since they like of...

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by bob75013
Fri Jul 26, 2019 6:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA lawsuit against TWU/IAM (redux)
Replies: 419
Views: 35909

Re: AA lawsuit against TWU/IAM (redux)

So, pardon my ignorance, and my trouble reading this dumpster fire of a thread (no offense to the OP!), but if the maintenance workers have lost faith in both AA and the TWU/IAM, then what are the next steps? At my company we are going through a similar issue with union members disagreeing with the...

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by bob75013
Fri Jul 26, 2019 3:01 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019
Replies: 4380
Views: 676526

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019

It appears that Dennis Muilenburg has convinced WN's Gary Kelly. I would expect that the head of the company that operates the largest 737 fleet (and the largest MAX fleet) in the world might have a bit of insight about the outcome: "Southwest CEO believes work on key 737 Max system is done an...

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by bob75013
Fri Jul 26, 2019 2:52 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019
Replies: 606
Views: 103332

Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thanks, I just checked also and the MAXs are still in the schedule WN said they will be removed from the schedule thru 1/5. I suspect the removal will be done via system update - the same way schedule updates are handled. The updates happen over several hours starting about 5 a.m. I epect the MAXs ...

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by bob75013
Fri Jul 26, 2019 12:30 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA lawsuit against TWU/IAM (redux)
Replies: 419
Views: 35909

Re: AA lawsuit against TWU/IAM (redux)

More motions. https://lookaside.fbsbx.com/file/AA_Response_TRO_Compliance.pdf?token=AWwzNMFyPZTPjr8deqYF-e0oMuFrFuWJmaQj81DXxO2KILFosICWRUf9h_2-G1_DmpXhtKQ_w1HdUMmwWSUMmiB4wN9CVaNwiIBMwzNIrTorkTGI09C711va8aQDnK3WjHI3qRGOPAalBuVHdVWmkFefk4zWaExXH1gmYFrcI1GvcZEN34gKlqmKDRUvjQQ7OZMrH_oytF8n5aD62JrVNq_...

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by bob75013
Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019
Replies: 4380
Views: 676526

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019

... Who did you "hear" this from? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49108807 "this could bring an end to the production of the 737 as a whole." ????? In fact this is what Boeing said (in that linked article: " However, Boeing boss Dennis Muilenburg is confident the plane ...

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by bob75013
Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019
Replies: 606
Views: 103332

Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Where are the other cuts? WN said they took the MAX out through the end of their current schedule, but I haven't found any other cuts other than EWR, and I highly doubt EWR is the only place where they have to reduce their flying. As of about 3 hours ago the MAXs were still in the schedule. So we w...

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by bob75013
Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019
Replies: 606
Views: 103332

Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Where are the other cuts? WN said they took the MAX out through the end of their current schedule, but I haven't found any other cuts other than EWR, and I highly doubt EWR is the only place where they have to reduce their flying. Southwest said the MAX gronding has casued it to cut 10000+ flights ...

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by bob75013
Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WN to close EWR
Replies: 272
Views: 45798

Re: WN to close EWR

The Max is being used as a scapegoat to lessen the blow and give hope that they will come back. If that plane was truly needed to keep the station open then EWR was barely hanging on to begin with. Southwest, like any airline, would shuffle to keep profitable routes/stations operating as robustly a...

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by bob75013
Thu Jul 25, 2019 5:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019
Replies: 4380
Views: 676526

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019

I have heard that Boeing may shut down production of the 737 Max after massive losses and this could bring an end to the production of the 737 as a whole. ... Who did you "hear" this from? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49108807 "this could bring an end to the production of the ...

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by bob75013
Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019
Replies: 606
Views: 103332

Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

I remember when folks talked about the 'secondary airport' strategy WN used. To me, it seemed not to be much of a broad strategy but rather a very selective one. Serving Boston from MHT and PVD was a great example, but I don't know how many other examples there are. DAL instead of DFW? MDW instead ...

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by bob75013
Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Will WN ever order the 737 MAX 9 or MAX 10?
Replies: 35
Views: 6616

Re: Will WN ever order the 737 MAX 9 or MAX 10?

Just for starters: 1: FAA insistence that pilots could operate Classic/NG, NG/Max, but not all three simultaneously. 2: The 737-500 fuel burn is likely equal to or worse than a MAX8. 3: They were getting old. (Operational reliability, aging a/c inspections, avionics deadlines) In a perfect world I'...

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by bob75013
Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019
Replies: 606
Views: 103332

Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

I think we'll hear tomorrow from the horse's mouse what the plan is. However, there isn't a plan they can put in place that can fill the gap left by the MAX, without serious cuts. WN doesn't even have any codeshare/JV partners that can fill at least some of the gap either. Exactly. A new airframe? ...

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by bob75013
Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WN to close EWR
Replies: 272
Views: 45798

Re: WN to close EWR

The Max is being used as a scapegoat to lessen the blow and give hope that they will come back. If that plane was truly needed to keep the station open then EWR was barely hanging on to begin with. Southwest, like any airline, would shuffle to keep profitable routes/stations operating as robustly a...

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