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by Aisak
Wed Apr 24, 2019 9:51 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Flybe News and Discussion Thread Update: Flybe ceases flying, enters administration
Replies: 773
Views: 112287

Re: Flybe update

Do you not agree that perception is more harmful to reputation and Brand than anything else. They are developing a reputation for being a sharp-practice vulture mini Ryanair with legacy prices but no punctuality and run unreliable toy-sized planes. Truth or not that is how they are being perceived ...

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by Aisak
Wed Apr 24, 2019 9:18 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Flybe News and Discussion Thread Update: Flybe ceases flying, enters administration
Replies: 773
Views: 112287

Re: Flybe update

When are we going to see any Flybe aircraft in the new livery?? I believe the new 'new' colour scheme has been shelved. Seems foolish to have yet another expensive rebranding when the darker purple 'F1' colours have become so widespread and familiar. Some of the Q400's have yet to be painted in tha...

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by Aisak
Wed Apr 24, 2019 9:03 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Judge: FR has to fire 8 pilots and pay them millions in damage
Replies: 98
Views: 18767

Re: Judge: FR has to fire 8 pilots and pay them millions in damage

I didn't think pilots were guaranteed any certain base. No employee is guaranteed any certain job either. This is not about that. LJ above explains it quite well. But there are laws, rules and procedures to do things. And Ryanair is well known for not following rules that they don't like. Much diff...

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by Aisak
Wed Apr 24, 2019 8:14 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Judge: FR has to fire 8 pilots and pay them millions in damage
Replies: 98
Views: 18767

Re: Judge: FR has to fire 8 pilots and pay them millions in damage

TTailedTiger wrote:
I didn't think pilots were guaranteed any certain base.


No employee is guaranteed any certain job either. This is not about that. LJ above explains it quite well.
But there are laws, rules and procedures to do things. And Ryanair is well known for not following rules that they don't like.

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by Aisak
Tue Apr 23, 2019 5:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Flybe News and Discussion Thread Update: Flybe ceases flying, enters administration
Replies: 773
Views: 112287

Re: Flybe update

When are we going to see any Flybe aircraft in the new livery?? Even more important than that: FlyBE is dropping Avios (the platform and obviously the currency issued by AGL) as FF Scheme next Wednesday. And nothing has been announced so far. https://www.flybe.com/avios It's not the end of the worl...

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by Aisak
Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Question about VS16/VS15/VS16 delays
Replies: 4
Views: 1231

Re: Question about VS16/VS15/VS16 delays

Curious as to why another aircraft was not used. 20 Apr the MCO-LGW aircraft G-VLIP was delayed from 19:50 to 03:15. 21 Apr the LGW-MCO aircraft G-VLIP was delayed from 13:00 to 18:20. Which means the MCO -LGW is again delayed around 4+hrs. Are they that short of 747's at LGW that they could not ha...

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by Aisak
Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Flybe News and Discussion Thread Update: Flybe ceases flying, enters administration
Replies: 773
Views: 112287

Re: Flybe update

Do you think Virgin/Flybe partners could look at operating routes which are seen to be successful? For instance, could Air France and KLM use their Bombardier CRJ (Air France) or Embraer 175 (KLM) to launch Paris Charles de Gaulle and Amsterdam to these sort of places, freeing Flybe aircraft. Also,...

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by Aisak
Thu Apr 18, 2019 12:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Aer Lingus in LHR T2
Replies: 9
Views: 1356

Re: Aer Lingus in LHR T2

eicvd wrote:
Having their own lounge in T2 plays it’s part as well.

Well, I think it’s safe to asume that they built the lounge AFTER they were granted T2 usage.

JAmie2k9 wrote:
Could T5 handle 46 (arr/dep) per day extra.


Sure... as long as 46ish BA arr/dep move to T3

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by Aisak
Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:48 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Aer Lingus in LHR T2
Replies: 9
Views: 1356

Re: Aer Lingus in LHR T2

First, Aer Lingus is not a OW member. T2 is the only other Terminal (5 is the other one) capable of handling domestic and CTA flights. It also houses FlyBE due to that very same reason. When T1 was closed, it was the only place Aerlingus could go. T5 systems could only handle BA flights and EI was n...

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by Aisak
Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Plans JFK-Guyana; Increase MIA-Guyana Service
Replies: 53
Views: 7709

Re: American Airlines Plans JFK-Guyana; Increase MIA-Guyana Service

You know when AA is announcing this, they must have saw great traffic on JFK-MIA-GEO. Wow... if that’s the reason, then almost nobody is O/D from MIA... Right now MIA is run daily with a 128seat 319, and they are launching JFK with a 172seat 738. Not only they’ll have to sell those MIA-GEO seats va...

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by Aisak
Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: LAX moves forward with plans for Terminal 0 and 9
Replies: 202
Views: 41831

Re: LAX moves forward with plans for Terminal 0 and 9

The Cranky Flier article is a good overview, but he didn't provide any gate totals for AA, DL, Southwest, UA, etc... Anyone know those, especially for DL and AA? And in addition to 4+5, is AA going to get any TBIT gates? Apart than gates, there is another scarce resource that is going to be tricky:...

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by Aisak
Tue Apr 16, 2019 2:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Contingency planning at major international airports
Replies: 21
Views: 3881

Re: Contingency planning at major international airports

Look at SXF this morning. An aircraft landing blocked the runway in use. Solution: halt all airport operations. Incoming flights were diverted and check in was closed.... There is no plan for a 30min to 2hr runway closure.... or that was the really the plan (which wouldn’t shock me) Asking for a lon...

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by Aisak
Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:21 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airport Berlin-Schönefeld (SXF) currently closed because of an accident
Replies: 29
Views: 9600

Re: Airport Berlin-Schönefeld (SXF) currently closed because of an accident

I'm a bit confused though: Isn't the second BER runway already operational? Why not use that? They can‘t. The legal framework says, if they start using both runways, TXL would have to close in 6 months (and everybody would be screwed). An exception was, when one runway was undergoing maintenance. T...

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by Aisak
Sat Apr 13, 2019 10:58 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Should Alaska Airlines start long-haul sevices?
Replies: 12
Views: 2431

Re: Should Alaska Airlines start long-haul sevices?

With JetBlue set to enter the intercontinental market from the US, is it time for Alaska Airlines to do the same? Obviously, to start nonstop intercontinental service to Europe or Asia, they would need to purchase a widebody aircraft, which would be an obstacle that JetBlue doesn't have to clear. A...

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by Aisak
Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Package of new/used A380's pitched to BA was uncompetitive: Cruz
Replies: 173
Views: 31884

Re: Package of new/used A380's pitched to BA was uncompetitive: Cruz

"Imagine they give it to us at a really reasonable price. Everything breaks down the moment you start thinking about the inside of the aircraft." So if the re config of an A380 is so cost prohibitive, aren’t they going to fit the new Club World seats on them? And the “allegedly” new First...

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by Aisak
Fri Apr 12, 2019 3:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Virgin Atlantic posts another annual loss for 2018
Replies: 45
Views: 9064

Re: Virgin Atlantic posts another annual loss for 2018

They are two airlines in the same home market, facing the same market conditions and both have similar uncontrollable costs in terms of fuel and landing charges. Even allowing for possible accounting differences, there has been a huge divergence in the financial fortunes of the two airlines over th...

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by Aisak
Fri Apr 12, 2019 1:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: London Stansted aims to secure flights to 25 long haul destinations over the next 5 years
Replies: 76
Views: 12765

Re: London Stansted aims to secure flights to 25 long haul destinations over the next 5 years

Now B6 makes sense! That should do it. But simply because they would apply for slots at LHR, and would not find any slot pair suitable for their services. They they would head to LGW and again request for slots for their services.... and again would not find any suitable for their services. STN is ...

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by Aisak
Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Europa Express gets its first 737
Replies: 5
Views: 1067

Re: Air Europa Express gets its first 737

Ups. I smell industrial action for this summer... ¬_¬.

The stroy around the Embraer is hard and tough as it is... but moving production tools (the 737 aircraft) from mainline to Express....
Let's see what happens.

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by Aisak
Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Flybe cancels dozens of flights for "operational reasons"
Replies: 38
Views: 9544

Re: Flybe cancels dozens of flights for "operational reasons"

40 pilots and 50 cabin crew at risk of redundancy but crew shortages being blamed in the post directly above. Which both are reasons that complement each other. The company has announce that it is going to withdraw the Embraer fleet and that it won’t be replaced. If the operation shrinks there will...

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by Aisak
Tue Apr 09, 2019 7:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: First Eurowings 737 painted
Replies: 20
Views: 5697

Re: First Eurowings 737 painted

Was communicated, all LH Group airlines get white engines, to save on spare part/engine management. Wow, just the opposite to what IAG does. - British Airways engines are painted in blue - Aer Lingus ones in green - Vueling could have been grey or yellow but opted for the latter. - Level was born a...

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by Aisak
Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 4 A350-900 more to IB from Aer Lingus
Replies: 52
Views: 13838

Re: 4 A350-900 more to IB from Aer Lingus

I can't imagine both IAG and IB haven't thought about this issue of UIO, BOG and MEX. I wonder if they could just keep a subfleet of A340s for some time longer only to serve these places. On the other hand, Aeromexico flies MEX-MAD on 787s regularly and that's just fine, so I assume the A350 could ...

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by Aisak
Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Virgin Atlantic New Upper Class Seat Revealed Today
Replies: 54
Views: 11701

Re: Virgin Atlantic New Upper Class Seat Revealed Today

44 new "suites" in 1-2-1 configuration (with half privacy” door - it only half closes - to maintain a link between staff and passengers) Let's see if at least the "suite" wall has a decent heigh so people walking down/up the aisle don't get to see inside. Something taller than B...

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by Aisak
Mon Apr 08, 2019 2:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: JFK terminals 2027
Replies: 36
Views: 6484

Re: JFK terminals 2027

If the numbers ($$$) work out, JL could choose to lease their space in T1 and lease T8 IF they want a good connection experience at JFK. Otherwise they would still need to take the air train from T1 to T8 (and vice versa) Again, It puzzles me how people keep insisting on JL. AA is transforming JFK ...

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by Aisak
Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: JFK terminals 2027
Replies: 36
Views: 6484

Re: JFK terminals 2027

If you read what you quoted. I noted JAL was part of the consortium. ie they will stay in T1. I never said JAL was moving. So no you don't need to correct me by saying what I said. If you had read my post you would have noticed I also said most of the One World carriers would move to T8. I never sa...

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by Aisak
Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: JFK terminals 2027
Replies: 36
Views: 6484

Re: JFK terminals 2027

1:Terminal One Group, which is a consortium comprised of Lufthansa, Air France, Japan Airlines, and Korea Air Lines wil rebuild in T1/2 & part of T3 space with a connector to T4. Please let me quote you on this to help motivate my reasoning for this where airlines should be madness (why people ...

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by Aisak
Sun Apr 07, 2019 2:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: easyJet Europe new callsign
Replies: 28
Views: 9642

Re: easyJet Europe new callsign

And their new IATA code is EC. Funny enough. Which is pretty much irrelevant since like the other two Easyjet companies they don't use the IATA codes on tickets or flightboards. When I am issued my ticket to Barcelona it clearly says EJU6671. Until now I’ve seen the code U2, shared between Easyjet ...

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by Aisak
Sat Apr 06, 2019 9:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: LAX moves forward with plans for Terminal 0 and 9
Replies: 202
Views: 41831

Re: LAX moves forward with plans for Terminal 0 and 9

I'm very torn on the announcement. More room and a new T9 is nice, but it won't fix the inherent issues LAX brings to the O&D and connecting passenger. We'll still deal with congested, inefficient facilities. Well, I have only used LAX as an arrival passenger, but I was shocked about how bad tr...

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by Aisak
Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 4 A350-900 more to IB from Aer Lingus
Replies: 52
Views: 13838

Re: 4 A350-900 more to IB from Aer Lingus

If you're looking at IAG as a whole, then the 4 A321s are in fact BA's. They have 4 planes equipped with long-haul Y and J seating, though BA themselves describe them as "mid-haul". They're ceos, and are used to destinations like AMM, BEY, CAI, and DME, (and occasionally TLV) with fill-in...

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by Aisak
Sat Apr 06, 2019 7:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Is BA ever going to expand its LGW fleet?
Replies: 32
Views: 6455

Re: Is BA ever going to expand its LGW fleet?

I have been monitoring BA's LGW expansion the last couple of years both on short-and-long-haul Well, just look a littler further back in time. But what about LGW fleet?It seems stuck with A319s,A320s Well, last decade BA didn’t have any Airbus based at Gatwick. There were A320-series planes painted...

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by Aisak
Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: easyJet Europe new callsign
Replies: 28
Views: 9642

Re: easyJet Europe new callsign

And their new IATA code is EC. Funny enough.

EC was previously used by British Airways’ French subsidiary openskies. Now the company has rebranded into LEVEL France, EC was changed to LV

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by Aisak
Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: IB drops JNB (again), remains 3x/w in SJU during the winter, 10x/w LIM year-round
Replies: 12
Views: 3243

Re: IB drops JNB (again), remains 3x/w in SJU during the winter, 10x/w LIM year-round

Except that LIS is one hour BEHIND MAD (just like LON). Hahaha. Yes, always mix up those concepts. Even more around the Sunday when summer time is applied :D But times were correct: MAD 23:55 JNB 10:05 +1 If a plane departs LIS at 23:55 that happens an hour later than a 23:35 departure at MAD. So i...

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by Aisak
Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: IB drops JNB (again), remains 3x/w in SJU during the winter, 10x/w LIM year-round
Replies: 12
Views: 3243

Re: IB drops JNB (again), remains 3x/w in SJU during the winter, 10x/w LIM year-round

TAP had just announced plans to serve JNB as well. Well, TAP might be trying to fish those orphan travelers not wishing to back track to fly to JNB. LIS is in a good geographical position to capture the Iberian (ES+PT) to JNB. How much traffic and the yield TP can extract from that traffic is anoth...

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by Aisak
Fri Apr 05, 2019 3:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 4 A350-900 more to IB from Aer Lingus
Replies: 52
Views: 13838

Re: 4 A350-900 more to IB from Aer Lingus

There are 3 A321s flying for EI right now, they do not do long haul or transatlantic. The first two A321LRs are scheduled to be arriving later in the summer, with ideally two more before the end of the year assuming no delays. Sorry I was not clear. I was checking IAG global fleet figures. The 4 A3...

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by Aisak
Fri Apr 05, 2019 3:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 4 A350-900 more to IB from Aer Lingus
Replies: 52
Views: 13838

Re: 4 A350-900 more to IB from Aer Lingus

The 757s are being replaced by the A321NEOs surely I read an interview with EI CEO in one of the aviation magazines recently in which he pointed out that the fate of the ASL operation with the 757 is not necessarily linked to A321NEO acquisitions. I suppose that the ASL contract gives EI some flexi...

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by Aisak
Fri Apr 05, 2019 12:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 4 A350-900 more to IB from Aer Lingus
Replies: 52
Views: 13838

Re: 4 A350-900 more to IB from Aer Lingus

Would love to see an additional order of 20/30 extra A321LR for EI ... it’s a real game changer ..... especially now that Wow is out of the market. I'd love it too. And even IB on MAD-Africa routes. There are now 4x321 flying long-haul. By end 2019, there will be 4 321-NEO LR and by 2018 there will...

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by Aisak
Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:44 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 4 A350-900 more to IB from Aer Lingus
Replies: 52
Views: 13838

Re: 4 A350-900 more to IB from Aer Lingus

Looking at the March update of the @Airbus orderbook, it seems #IAG has shuffled some of their #A350-orders as 4 #A359 orders have been moved from @AerLingus to @Iberia. #AerLingus now has five on order and #Iberia a total of 20, with 3 so far delivered. Good thing IAG can swap aircrafts as needed....

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by Aisak
Thu Apr 04, 2019 8:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta and Virgin to launch LGW-JFK and BOS from 2020
Replies: 162
Views: 22047

Re: Delta and Virgin to launch LGW-JFK and BOS from 2020

SotonLAX wrote:
prehaps VS/DL is planning on testing the waters with feeding BE flights in LGW in the future for JFK/BOS as a potential new hub that can’t be achieved at LHR?


Well, right now BE does not operate at LGW.

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by Aisak
Thu Apr 04, 2019 3:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta and Virgin to launch LGW-JFK and BOS from 2020
Replies: 162
Views: 22047

Re: Delta and Virgin to launch LGW-JFK and BOS from 2020

They will likely just have VS handle all ground duties like they do with KL in AMS. I wasn't aware that Virgin Atlantic had ground handling capabilities at LGW. Last time I checked it was contracted. And even if the do, Delta would have to contract either VS or "VS handling services ltd" ...

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by Aisak
Thu Apr 04, 2019 2:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta and Virgin to launch LGW-JFK and BOS from 2020
Replies: 162
Views: 22047

Re: Delta and Virgin to launch LGW-JFK and BOS from 2020

Do we know if it will be Delta or Virgin aircraft doing the Gatwick routes? It makes more sense to use VS than DL. DL would have to "open" the LGW station. Contract a handling agent, having DL signage around, contract/reserve with the airport Check-in space, apply for slots, set up the us...

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by Aisak
Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:52 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: SN flightnumber, EW flight, OK aircraft...
Replies: 14
Views: 3260

Re: SN flightnumber, EW flight, OK aircraft...

These kind of thing makes me wonder how FF schemes deal with it. So it’s SN coded flight but subcontracted to EW, a Miles & More partner. do you get miles from the SN table or the EW one? Do you have access to lounge if you have status? And what happens to Star Alliance partners since EW is not ...

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by Aisak
Wed Apr 03, 2019 12:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: BREXIT: Norwegian banned from UK-USA?
Replies: 24
Views: 6519

Re: BREXIT: Norwegian banned from UK-USA?

easyJet Europe is a virtual Airline set up at the end of 2017 to counteract Brexit, whereby half the G- fleet has now been transferred to the Austrian (OE-) registry, thereby keeping a foot in the EU should there be any issue operating domestic flights in other EU Countries (easyJet have domestic r...

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by Aisak
Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:36 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: BREXIT: Norwegian banned from UK-USA?
Replies: 24
Views: 6519

Re: BREXIT: Norwegian banned from UK-USA?

But it will depend on ownership requirements to be put in place by the UK (I know that the UK wants to remove these requirements). Norwegian Air UK is currently owned by Norwegian Air Shuttle whose shareholders are primarily Norwegian. I am not sure that they would be able to operate UK-USA flights...

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by Aisak
Tue Apr 02, 2019 1:24 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: New routes if Heathrow got 25000 extra flights?
Replies: 7
Views: 1574

Re: New routes if Heathrow got 25000 extra flights?

If I remember correctly CAA is the body assigning slots to airlines. If I’m not mistaken, they grant preference no new entrants and new routes. Routes like IOM, JER, IOM, NCL, and yes... even DTW would get a higher priority on the list than the n-th JFK rotation on BA. Also, even VS could have probl...

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by Aisak
Thu Mar 28, 2019 12:34 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qantas PER-LHR marks 1 year of operation, route exceeds expectations
Replies: 47
Views: 9068

Re: Qantas PER-LHR marks 1 year of operation, route exceeds expectations

I think QF would have no trouble selling PER-LHR twice daily. The choice of departure and arrival times would draw passengers now flying on other airlines. Sure. No trouble selling... making a profit would be another story. For such a looooooong thin route you have to be really sure that demand for...

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by Aisak
Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Inner city airline terminals
Replies: 25
Views: 2922

Re: Inner city airline terminals

Iberia lets you check in from home. You check in online and request someone to pick up your luggage. You just clear security at the airport with your hand luggage as usual. Why setting up a special facility with duplicated services you already have at the terminal? Double the services... up go the c...

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by Aisak
Mon Mar 25, 2019 3:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: BA plane flies to Scotland by mistake, should have been Germany
Replies: 117
Views: 25219

Re: BA plane flies to Scotland by mistake, should have been Germany

As this was a flight operated by WDL on behalf of BA, i'd hazard a guess that maybe someone in BA got their destinations mixed up when filling out the sub-charter contract, and as far as WDL were concerned they were only ever meant to be operating to EDI, hence why the flight deck flew to EDI and t...

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by Aisak
Mon Mar 25, 2019 12:00 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Virgin Atlantic’s Northeast Asian routes
Replies: 37
Views: 6459

Re: Virgin Atlantic’s Northeast Asian routes

Virgin's hub lacks many destinations, in my opinion. Their business model constantly changes which affects them. Right now I wouldn’t call LHR or LGW a hub for Virgin Atlantic but more like their main bases. As I see a hub, a passenger lands from VS xxx to catch a connecting flight VS yyy. When tho...

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by Aisak
Wed Mar 20, 2019 6:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Norwegian plans start MAD-LIM
Replies: 24
Views: 3455

Re: Norwegian plans start MAD-LIM

I wasn't aware that Peru was so liberal regarding aviation that allows a non-Peruvian and non-Spanish airline fly between LIM and MAD. The article talks about "Norwegian Air Shuttle" which is DY/NAX registrered in Norway, but it only has 737s so it's unlikely to be that airline but one of ...

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by Aisak
Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: MH an opportunity for IAG?
Replies: 27
Views: 4619

Re: MH an opportunity for IAG?

And Malasya (the country) should have bilaterals so liberal that no other country could ban MH from flying into its territory, as it would not longer be “Malasyian” but Spanish (IAG is a Spanish company) Strategic hub location between Europe & India /SE Asia & Australia and North Asia/Austra...

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by Aisak
Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:01 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: LEVEL Announces Amsterdam Hub - April 6, 2019
Replies: 16
Views: 5153

Re: LEVEL Announces Amsterdam Hub - April 6, 2019

But is Level really lower cost than VY? And the Level brand is not that well known as Vueling is.. If Level costs are not lower than Vueling’s... errr what do I start with? :D Why having it in the first place? Just to lose money? That’s usually not how a business is well run... Level at AMS can hir...

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